Alright no one has started a thread and the game is in 16 hours. I typically make a prediction, but I've been way off so I'll give the line instead. Valpo is at -1.5 with the O/U at 139. If I were to bet I would go over and take Drake but the moment I do that Sackey goes nuts,McMillan doesn't foul out, Krikke hits a 3, and Valpo wins. Drake most recently beat Loyola and Indiana St., but opened league play with a loss to Wardle. Their only real tests of the year were at Cincy where they lost by 22 and at Dayton where they lost by 31. There best non conference win was a 10 point tilt against Murray St. in a tournament down in Florida. Ahhh what the hell here is a prediction...
Valpo-74
Drake-71
Valpo 68
Drake 58
Quote from: VUSWIM08-12 on January 10, 2020, 11:07:25 PMAlright no one has started a thread and the game is in 16 hours. I typically make a prediction, but I've been way off so I'll give the line instead. Valpo is at -1.5 with the O/U at 139. If I were to bet I would go over and take Drake but the moment I do that Sackey goes nuts,McMillan doesn't foul out, Krikke hits a 3, and Valpo wins. Drake most recently beat Loyola and Indiana St., but opened league play with a loss to Wardle. Their only real tests of the year were at Cincy where they lost by 22 and at Dayton where they lost by 31. There best non conference win was a 10 point tilt against Murray St. in a tournament down in Florida. Ahhh what the hell here is a prediction... Valpo-74 Drake-71
Pomeroy: Valpo by 2
Sagarin: Drake by 0.61
Massey: Valpo by 2
Soft schedule aside, their coach inherited a mess after Medved bolted and has done a fantastic job. He'll be a hot name for a bigger job if he can squeak them into the tourney in the next year or two.
We need to come to play from the beginning all the way to the end of the game. No taking any period of time off. It's almost a foreseen conclusion that an MVC game will come down to the last minute---UNLESS a TEAM TAKES A SPELL OFF and DOESN'T COMPETE FOR A PERIOD then they can lose more easily. Drake can be beaten. Any MVC team can be beaten by Valpo when the Crusaders play a complete game.
crowd will be interesting to check out today. weather sucks.
Drake's probable starters are from Merrillville, Merrillville, Griffith, Calumet City and Dubuque.
they are undefeated when holding opponents under 40percent from the floor.
Quote from: talksalot on January 11, 2020, 09:42:48 AMcrowd will be interesting to check out today. weather sucks.
I'm at 5.5 inches rainfall since 10 PM, but it has backed down to a drizzle and it might not be any problem walking in at game time. Bring your umbrella just in case. Chest waders should be unnecessary.
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Quote from: talksalot on January 11, 2020, 09:42:48 AMcrowd will be interesting to check out today. weather sucks.
I'm at 5.5 inches rainfall since 10 PM, but it has backed down to a drizzle and it might not be any problem walking in at game time. Bring your umbrella just in case. Chest waders should be unnecessary.
Crappy weather is a very relative thing. We could be dealing with wildfires going on for 3 months with mostly volunteer firefighters. I won't mention what could be the causes.
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I feel very sad that we who do not need this rain are getting it while Australia which could use a drenching rain such as this continues to be dry. Stay strong Australia.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 11, 2020, 12:13:10 PM
I feel very sad that we who do not need this rain are getting it while Australia which could use a drenching rain such as this continues to be dry. Stay strong Australia.
Koala/Kangaroo Strong!
Ok, not going with that one.
Fire down under, dunt always mean what y'think.
No.
Lots of Drake blue in Sect. D.
Is anyone else getting bad screen judder/lots of dropped frames on the ESPN feed?
Quote from: wh on January 11, 2020, 02:35:26 PM
Lots of Drake blue in Sect. D.
Really wish we would start putting the visitor section upstairs like every other Valley team does.
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I'm glad we don't put them up there since that's where I sit, lol. Good start, even though they've missed some real open looks from deep.
Robinson needs to turn it around here soon offensively. We've also been beat backdoor 3, 4, 5 times so far and there is 7, 6 minutes left in the half. Kiser keeps making freshman plays out there, but at least he tries hard right.
I love you Daniel but you can't shoot. Please don't shoot anymore.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 11, 2020, 03:35:55 PM
I love you Daniel but you can't shoot. Please don't shoot anymore.
Or drive to the basket against 2 guys a foot taller than you.
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11 of 11 from the FT line. That's the difference in the game and much improved from most of the games
Mileek is getting ABUSED in this matchup
Rebounding and second chances are an issue again...
That was a bad call on Sackey, but the defensive rebounding in this game is atrocious.
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Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 11, 2020, 03:35:55 PM
I love you Daniel but you can't shoot. Please don't shoot anymore.
Or drive to the basket against 2 guys a foot taller than you.
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Or box out?
Had a chance to put you foot on their throat at the midway point of the half.
Looks like we saved our awful stretch for the end of the first as opposed to the beginning.
Jeebus Matt your guard just got assaulted. Stand up for your team!
I can reliably say that this isn't on Lottich unless you want to blame him for recruiting some of these guys... We are playing HORRIBLY and if not for foul shooting we'd be down by about two possessions and that's with Drake shooting terribly. If the shooting equalizes and we don't improve in the second half we're going to be in serious trouble.
I'm glad we're getting a Saturday home game, but is there any good reason for a 3 PM tip instead of say, 7 PM? Sure would help attendance.
Is it just me, or does the music over the PA sound exceptionally bad today?
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 11, 2020, 03:47:06 PM
Had a chance to put you foot on their throat at the midway point of the half.
Looks like we saved our awful stretch for the end of the first as opposed to the beginning.
Scored only 2 point with 4:36 left in the half.....can't do that if you expect to win.
With all of this freezing rain are you sure about that? Four more hours for the roads to ice over further?
Quote from: hailcrusaders on January 11, 2020, 03:54:13 PM
I'm glad we're getting a Saturday home game, but is there any good reason for a 3 PM tip instead of say, 7 PM? Sure would help attendance.
It's now all about ESPN time slots.
Weather is supposed to get worse I'm pretty sure, I doubt the attendance would've been any better later.
If Robinson and/or McMillian can play better offensively in the 2nd half we'll be fine.
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Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 11, 2020, 03:47:06 PM
Had a chance to put you foot on their throat at the midway point of the half.
Looks like we saved our awful stretch for the end of the first as opposed to the beginning.
Scored only 2 point with 4:36 left in the half.....can't do that if you expect to win.
We scored only 6 points since the 5:20 mark of first half till the end of the half.
The scheduling folks couldn't have known the weather conditions when they slotted this one for 3:00. It's the idea of playing weekend matinees instead of night games like we used to that bothers me, even if it wouldn't have made a huge difference on a day like today. Is ESPN plus viewership really that high that they'd be losing out on a streaming audience during primetime? I can't imagine MVC games get a huge casual audience that could be would be watching something else if the game were at a different time.
NO MORE 3's MILEEK!
He has to be a threat out there, but he has to make a few...man he's been bad offensively tonight.
Get him out of the game please... More Krikke...
Quote from: M on January 11, 2020, 04:09:17 PMHe has to be a threat out there, but he has to make a few...man he's been bad offensively tonight.
There's no threat. They don't respect that shot. They're leaving him open and daring him to take it and he STILL can't make them pay for it. He needs to have a nice long sit.
For all my issues with last years twin towers (and there were many), if either had stayed they'd be getting 30 min a night on this team and have the chance to really show what they have.
The dreaded funk period we couldn't afford to have.
Maybe not.
And Krikke immediately turns it over...I'd say go 5 small guys and spread um out and run and gun, but we don't have enough shooters.
If we don't play better the second half I'm gonna have to stop hiding in the basement and help my wife take down the Christmas Tree. :'(
Sit Sackey right next to Mileek...
I'm sorry to say it and I'm sorry Matt. Mea Maxima Culpa. It isn't you at all. We are NOT a good basketball team. At all.
Robinson really struggling on offense too...it's really a testament to our defense (or their poor outside shooting) that Valpo is still in it.
I swear, if we get caught looking at the ball again, whether on a pass or rebound...
VUGrad1314, we aren't a good team. But Matt can recruit and we have good players.
1314,
Next game you're watching it at my house so I can manage your alcohol intake. And by manage I mean double.
Love your passion, my friend!
😀🍺🍺🍺
Quote from: M on January 11, 2020, 04:28:23 PM
Robinson really struggling on offense too...it's really a testament to our defense (or their poor outside shooting) that Valpo is still in it.
Our DEFENSE? We're giving up over 50% from the floor YET AGAIN. Our defense is the
problem.
Well they're shooting 11% from 3 and not getting to the line. Drake has also turned it over 16 times...so yes our defense is doing a fine job keeping Valpo in the game.
KISER!
Also they have missed A LOT of open looks from 3. We've been pretty lucky.
Penn is killing us.
WHY IS SACKEY TAKING THE SHOT THERE?!
Ryan Broekhoff destroys HL competition, does he do the same in the MVC?
Alec Peters destroys HL competition, does he do the same in the MVC?
If JFL played in the HL would he also destroy competition?
Don't we think the roster competing around these guys is the biggest difference? If you set aside 2015/16 season, did we have rosters in the HL that would be Top 2 in the present MVC? You can get away with an all-star player in basketball while playing inferior competition (HL at times). However, when are we ever playing inferior competition in the MVC? Our supporting cast is down these last few years against superior competition. In the end the coach sets up the players for success, but the players have to execute. Neither are doing it this year.
"Listen, if you can't spot the sucker in your first half hour at the table then you ARE the sucker."
-Rounders
Did I just hear the Valley called a one bid league?! WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET! STOP PUTTING THAT IN PEOPLE'S HEADS AND PUSHING THAT NARRATIVE! We CAN be a multibid league. If the freaking OVC can do it the MVC can have years where they get three. For Christ's sake.
We going to win
Big offensive rebound at the end.
back to .500 in the MVC.
I LOVE YOU JAVON!!!! GOT THE REBOUND THAT MATTERED!
When will announcers for the home team remember to shutup and not jinx FTs? :)
home run play?
YES DANIEL!!! THERE'S THAT DEFENSE AND FIGHT!!!
People are seriously sitting right now?! Boo...
There's the difference between the HL and MVC. Coaches in the MVC watch filmed and sniffed out the home run play.
Javon came up huge AGAIN!
That's it Javon! Good job! HUGE free throws!
Did I see a couple people leave? Why?
One shot and we win! Come on Donovan!
YEAH!!!
FREEMAN-LIBERTY AND CLAY!!!!
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How 'bout it guys? 2-2 looks a heck of a lot better than 1-3 doesn't it?
How many times have we been on the other end of free throw disparity? Our guys played pretty sloppy but made the free throws when it counted. Drake beat Loyola. No reason to think we can't be in the hunt for a title.
We were extremely lucky that Drake couldn't buy a wide open 3. They weren't even contested 3's, and folks at this level, will usually drain those against us. A win is a win, but that first 10 minutes of the second half were ugly as hell.
I'll always take a W, but Drake lost this game, we didn't win it.
Drake made 85% of their 2-point attempts. If they weren't ice cold from 3, we lose by a dozen.
You're right. We're lucky. But you need a little luck. Sometimes that's what a struggling team like ours needs to turn it around. I hope we look back at this game as a turning point for our season and the post-SIU row\consensus as a turning point for this board. I know it was for me personally!
I need a hug.
I've said it on here before, but this seems as true an example as ever: no matter how ugly the victory or how many deficiencies exhibited in execution, a priority in the MVC is to win your home games. Therefore, check off the mission accomplished box today!
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 11, 2020, 05:20:28 PMI need a hug.
:cheers: :thewave: :dance:
Best I can do but I hope you get the message and the sentiment my friend.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 11, 2020, 05:14:12 PM
You're right. We're lucky. But you need a little luck. Sometimes that's what a struggling team like ours needs to turn it around. I hope we look back at this game as a turning point for our season and the post-SIU row\consensus as a turning point for this board. I know it was for me personally!
Oh I'll take all the luck I can get, just wish we could be lucky AND improve our shooting defense. I'm not greedy, I get that we gamble to get steals and create possessions for ourselves, but a 4 or 5% improvement makes a big impact on our record, with the close losses we've had (Cincinnati, Arkansas, Loyola).
Quote from: PlumStreetBum on January 11, 2020, 05:25:06 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on January 11, 2020, 05:14:12 PMYou're right. We're lucky. But you need a little luck. Sometimes that's what a struggling team like ours needs to turn it around. I hope we look back at this game as a turning point for our season and the post-SIU row\consensus as a turning point for this board. I know it was for me personally!
Oh I'll take all the luck I can get, just wish we could be lucky AND improve our shooting defense. I'm not greedy, I get that we gamble to get steals and create possessions for ourselves, but a 4 or 5% improvement makes a big impact on our record, with the close losses we've had (Cincinnati, Arkansas, Loyola).
And our perception and our feelings on the season. Imagine if we had those wins on our resume... Maybe this year is the year we learn how to get them and next year is the year we get them consistently.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 11, 2020, 04:49:43 PM
Did I just hear the Valley called a one bid league?! WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET! STOP PUTTING THAT IN PEOPLE'S HEADS AND PUSHING THAT NARRATIVE! We CAN be a multibid league. If the freaking OVC can do it the MVC can have years where they get three. For Christ's sake.
...
Missed the first half. Watched the first few minutes of the second half where we turned Drake over four straight times and turned it into ZERO points. Had to leave when we were down six. Came back with us up one with just a few seconds left wondering how we were going to blow it. Saw Robinson pass up a home run ball to JFL. Then watched Kiser throw it into no man's land and JFL come out of no where to run it down, then drain the free throws, then a steal and Clay draining two free throws to ice it.
My conclusion is that for this team to win I can only watch the last five seconds of the game. Timing could be a problem though.
I know that there are a lot of Kiser haters out there, but I am still a fan. The guy does so many little things for us, and it showed today. Yes, he is not an offensive dynamo. No, he is not fast, and quicker Guards can blow by him. Look back at the film, however, and you will see that he battled the hell out of their 7-footer, and made some key plays for us throughout the game. He is the 'glue guy' for us, in playing whatever role we ask of him, and not panicking when things get rough. Go Kiser!
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on January 11, 2020, 05:28:37 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on January 11, 2020, 04:49:43 PMDid I just hear the Valley called a one bid league?! WE DON'T KNOW THAT YET! STOP PUTTING THAT IN PEOPLE'S HEADS AND PUSHING THAT NARRATIVE! We CAN be a multibid league. If the freaking OVC can do it the MVC can have years where they get three. For Christ's sake.
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Again, if Belmont can, ANY MVC team can. You can't challenge that point. They get even less help from their conference mates than we do. I refuse to accept that conferences consistently rated lower than the MVC can do it but somehow the MVC is uniquely unable to do it. No. Sorry. Can't accept it and won't accept it because it isn't true.
Reading this thread may be more entertaining than the game itself. We're terrible, Matt's terrible, it's not Matt's fault, Matt can recruit, Matt recruited horrible players, we play defense, we don't play defense, shoot, don't shoot. It's a thread from fans who want the best for the program, and could see us at either 4-0 in conference or 0-4. I get it. I don't see enough of the games online, and frankly, this is my main source for information about games.
I really only know two things about this team:
1. I wish the fans in the VU stands had as much passion as the people on this thread.
2. I did see JFL in person last year in the Valley tournament in STL. Even when he's not on the top of his game, he is a huge difference-maker. Rebounding, steals, FTs, defense. Glad we have him.
I think the radio guys said in the post game something about Ryan being back in the lineup on Wed. Did anyone else hear anything?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 11, 2020, 04:45:48 PM
KISER!
Also they have missed A LOT of open looks from 3. We've been pretty lucky.
Penn is killing us.
The first thing I said when the half started was Kiser and Sackey should not be shooting the ball. Then as John was in motion on his MADE three I yelled "
NOOOOOOO---okay"
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 11, 2020, 04:54:44 PM
People are seriously sitting right now?! Boo...
I was standing at home. My housekeeper wanted to vacuum in the room & I had to find my ear buds. :-)
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 11, 2020, 04:53:42 PM
YES DANIEL!!! THERE'S THAT DEFENSE AND FIGHT!!!
Yes, play like that but don't shoot, don't turn the ball over and play the BUGGS way! Drive the ball to the basket and make lay-ins!
Perhaps still too early to make any conclusion, but the attendance figures for home conference games are not moving in the right direction: Loyola, last year 5148, this year 4363; Drake, last year 4160, this year, 3190. That is a drop of (785 + 970) an average of nearly 900 per game or about 19% each date. The trend is not our friend, especially with Loyola from Chicago and Drake having all the Northwest Indiana players on their roster, one might expect these to have been the highest drawing conference teams to visit, as they were last year.
BUT the student section was almost at capacity and the band member number was good !!
That's concerning. I think it's because the fans are a little gun shy after getting burned by a good start last year that cratered into a 9th place finish. A winning streak and signs of sustainability should fix that and bring the fans back. Better weather would have helped today too. I think that kept a solid number of walk-ups away. Loyola not being fresh off a final four run and the down year of the MVC in general also probably hampered the numbers a bit. Like it or not as a small private Lutheran university with an alumni base that often moves out of the area we are going to need to rely on townies and casual fans to drive attendance numbers. Therefore, Valpo needs to get better and the MVC has to have a strong year (which they're doing a solid job of but they have to finish in March). If we see those things excitement should be high and attendance should improve. I bet you'll see lots of full houses when Valpo is contending for an MVC title in the future. I think there's a big fan base that's just ready to come out of the woodwork engage and explode in this area. They just need a reason to get excited. Go Valpo!
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 11, 2020, 08:35:25 PM
That's concerning. I think it's because the fans are a little gun shy after getting burned by a good start last year that cratered into a 9th place finish. A winning streak and signs of sustainability should fix that and bring the fans back. Better weather would have helped today too. I think that kept a solid number of walk-ups away. Loyola not being fresh off a final four run and the down year of the MVC in general also probably hampered the numbers a bit. Like it or not as a small private Lutheran university with an alumni base that often moves out of the area we are going to need to rely on townies and casual fans to drive attendance numbers. Therefore, Valpo needs to get better and the MVC has to have a strong year (which they're doing a solid job of but they have to finish in March). If we see those things excitement should be high and attendance should improve. I bet you'll see lots of full houses when Valpo is contending for an MVC title in the future. I think there's a big fan base that's just ready to come out of the woodwork engage and explode in this area. They just need a reason to get excited. Go Valpo!
With or without Matt Lottich? Just testing that new dedication to a positive outlook for the Crusaders. :-)
Quote from: bbtds on January 11, 2020, 08:49:03 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on January 11, 2020, 08:35:25 PMThat's concerning. I think it's because the fans are a little gun shy after getting burned by a good start last year that cratered into a 9th place finish. A winning streak and signs of sustainability should fix that and bring the fans back. Better weather would have helped today too. I think that kept a solid number of walk-ups away. Loyola not being fresh off a final four run and the down year of the MVC in general also probably hampered the numbers a bit. Like it or not as a small private Lutheran university with an alumni base that often moves out of the area we are going to need to rely on townies and casual fans to drive attendance numbers. Therefore, Valpo needs to get better and the MVC has to have a strong year (which they're doing a solid job of but they have to finish in March). If we see those things excitement should be high and attendance should improve. I bet you'll see lots of full houses when Valpo is contending for an MVC title in the future. I think there's a big fan base that's just ready to come out of the woodwork engage and explode in this area. They just need a reason to get excited. Go Valpo!
With or without Matt Lottich? Just testing that new dedication to a positive outlook for the Crusaders. :-)
As always, whatever situation is best to develop this program into a consistently contending\respectably performing MVC team. Since the one thing the post Bryce era has taught us is that coaching changes suck and are very hard on a program and take years to fully implement and bear fruit, my preference would be that he shows enough to stick around. So, preferably that is WITH Matt Lottich. I can't stress enough that it was and is never personal with Matt and any negativity was only concern for the future health of the program. Matt Lottich the man is a stellar individual and a great representative. Matt Lottich the coach will hopefully deliver the results we need. Then we will have yet another reason to feel honored to be led by him. Hopefully this win is step one of him proving conclusively that he is the man to lead us into this hopefully great era. Once again Go Valpo!
I've stated my opinion on Matt but I'll also say this: I want to be wrong. I'm not some Skip Bayless or Colin Cowpie wannabe who wants to be right more than anything. Unlike some boards everyone here wants this program to succeed.
The ideal situation for me would be buying all of you fine people beers in St Louis when we're a top 2 seed in 2021 or 2022 with Matt at the helm.
Man, in a year we have a shot at winning in St Louis I am SO GOING. I've wanted to experience Arch Madness since I was young but it would mean so much more if my team is in it until the end!
I'll jump on the positive train. Good job to the coaches and players for beating a good Drake team. I remember being in the HL and really wanting to play Drake in non conference (I think we were both 2 and 3 in liberal arts midwest rankings at the time). Regardless, we won and we are now .500. Let's get some positive momentum.
To me this is starting to sound like a strange case of Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde.
I can see why you think that but I made a commitment and I'm going to stick to it. What will test that is our next loss or losing streak but as long as Matt remains the coach I am going to try to be as supportive as I can. As others have told me in the past regardless of what my feelings are he's still the coach so it's best to try to get in line behind him until that designation changes. Hopefully it never will change and it will become easier to get behind him because he's finally the successful coach we hoped he would be. But my word is something I take very seriously and when I commit I commit. Time and my consistent follow-through will show that to be true.
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Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 11, 2020, 09:16:13 PMI've stated my opinion on Matt but I'll also say this: I want to be wrong. I'm not some Skip Bayless or Colin Cowpie wannabe who wants to be right more than anything. Unlike some boards everyone here wants this program to succeed. The ideal situation for me would be buying all of you fine people beers in St Louis when we're a top 2 seed in 2021 or 2022 with Matt at the helm.
I'll make it easy on you. I'd be happy with just a Diet Pepsi. ;D
So, we get out scored by 6 in the 1st 4 minutes of the 2nd half. Matt benches our centers (who were playing badly) and inserts 6-5 John Kiser at the 5 and stays with a short lineup the rest of the way. Drake can't figure out how to counter, so we out score them by 11 over the final 16 minutes to win by 5. That's called out coaching, folks.
Now some set plays! No, don't want to take away from coach and that move. Good decision that probably won us the game.
I checked out the drake forum. There was a poster that commented how bad our coach is.
Regardless that was a good move by Lottich and it paid dividends. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: wh on January 12, 2020, 04:59:38 AMSo, we get out scored by 6 in the 1st 4 minutes of the 2nd half. Matt benches our centers (who were playing badly) and inserts 6-5 John Kiser at the 5 and stays with a short lineup the rest of the way. Drake can't figure out how to counter, so we out score them by 11 over the final 16 minutes to win by 5. That's called out coaching, folks.
I heard we were lucky.
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Quote from: wh on January 12, 2020, 04:59:38 AMSo, we get out scored by 6 in the 1st 4 minutes of the 2nd half. Matt benches our centers (who were playing badly) and inserts 6-5 John Kiser at the 5 and stays with a short lineup the rest of the way. Drake can't figure out how to counter, so we out score them by 11 over the final 16 minutes to win by 5. That's called out coaching, folks.
I heard we were lucky.
Without John Kiser that Drake center from Davenport (#21) doesn't get shut down. John, through his versatility, may have the second or third greatest impact on this year's Valpo MBB team.
FYI for those who weren't there in person. The guy from the RailCats was doing the on-floor contests during timeouts again. This time the students were back and he got them all revved up. Also, one of the students hit a layup, FT, 3-pointer, and half court shot in 1 minute to win free Hungry Howies pizza for the whole section. The place went nuts. So much fun! Starting to feel like the ARC of days gone by again.
Thanks Wh, for adding that. A lot of fans and almuni have moved too far to attend games. TV viewers cant see that kind of stuff so thanks for that update. I used to fly up for 2-3 games a year. Hopefully I'll get back to that point again.
Quote from: valpotx on January 11, 2020, 05:31:52 PMI know that there are a lot of Kiser haters out there, but I am still a fan. The guy does so many little things for us, and it showed today.
I meant to respond earlier to this, but got sidetracked. I don't think there are ANY Kiser haters out there, unless you're using "hater" in the social media sense, meaning "critic" (in which case, you need to stop). I think there is just a frustration some of us feel when he gets big minutes because it reminds us that one (or many) of our top-level recruits is under-performing, such as yesterday. Nevertheless, I think the frustration needs to be directed at the under-performing players and any criticism of Kiser needs to consider that that he is the ultimate utility player and not some specialist whose going rack up any particular stats on the offensive or defensive side of things. Honestly, I think everybody loves Kiser, but wishes we needed him less frequently.
Quote from: valpotx on January 11, 2020, 05:31:52 PMI know that there are a lot of Kiser haters out there, but I am still a fan. The guy does so many little things for us, and it showed today. Yes, he is not an offensive dynamo. No, he is not fast, and quicker Guards can blow by him. Look back at the film, however, and you will see that he battled the hell out of their 7-footer, and made some key plays for us throughout the game. He is the 'glue guy' for us, in playing whatever role we ask of him, and not panicking when things get rough. Go Kiser!
Kiser for the season as of 1/11/20Pom Rankings: Note - Minimum 40% minutes played and 2 shots per game to qualifyEffFG%: 6th Conference rank. 58%. First on team. 2nd Clay 54.1%
2Pt%: 15th in Conference. 55.8%. First on team. 2nd Milleek 51.9%
3Pt%: Did not qualify for Pom MVC ranking because need 2 shots per game. But his 3Pt% is 41.4% which puts him in 2nd place on the team behind Eron 47.4%
OR% (Offensive Rebound %) 20th in conference at 5.8%. 3rd place on team behind Nick Robinson 6.8% and Mileek 6.3%
Turnover% - 37th fewest @ 18.8% in conference. 3rd place in lowest TO% on team behind Javon 13.3% and Clay 18.7%
Assist Rate - 35th place in conference, 5th on team
Steal Rate - 29th in conference, 6th on team
Fouls committed per 40 minutes - 51st place 3.73, 6th fewest on team.
Fouls drawn per 40 minutes - 64th in conference, 6th on team. Leaders in front of Kiser are Javon 5.2 fourth in conference, Mileek 4.2 17th in conference, Nick 33rd in conference, Sackey 42nd in conference, Eron 53rd in conference, Clay 60th in conference.
Free throw percent. Doesn't qualify in Pom ranking, need two shots per game.
For the team though, he is 13-16, or 81.2%, higher than those who qualified for rankings such as Javon 2nd place 72.5%, Nick 70.6%, Sackey 69.4%
Quote from: bbtds on January 12, 2020, 09:00:40 AMQuote from: JD24 on January 12, 2020, 08:56:17 AMQuote from: wh on January 12, 2020, 04:59:38 AMSo, we get out scored by 6 in the 1st 4 minutes of the 2nd half. Matt benches our centers (who were playing badly) and inserts 6-5 John Kiser at the 5 and stays with a short lineup the rest of the way. Drake can't figure out how to counter, so we out score them by 11 over the final 16 minutes to win by 5. That's called out coaching, folks.
I heard we were lucky.
Without John Kiser that Drake center from Davenport (#21) doesn't get shut down. John, through his versatility, may have the second or third greatest impact on this year's Valpo MBB team.
Luck....luck.....luck ;)
Say what you want about Kiser. Clumsy, slow, not athletic. Not pleasing to watch. But the numbers don't lie. He gets the job done better than most on the team when given an opportunity.
The key to using Kiser successfully is putting him on the floor with 4 capable offensive players, as was the case in the 2nd half yesterday. Playing him and Mileek at the same time is a formula for disaster. John should start at the 5 from now on. As demonstrated once again yesterday when Mileek threw up 10 uncontested bricks, including another 0-4 from 3, he needs to be a role player - never a starter.
Quote from: wh on January 12, 2020, 12:20:12 PMThe key to using Kiser successfully is putting him on the floor with 4 capable offensive players, as was the case in the 2nd half yesterday.
:thumbsup: The only way he finds open inside or outside looks is when the floor is spread with multi threat shooters.
Quote from: wh on January 12, 2020, 12:20:12 PMPlaying him and Mileek at the same time is a formula for disaster.
True, and it only gets worse if Sackey is out there with them.
Quote from: wh on January 12, 2020, 12:20:12 PMJohn should start at the 5 from now on.
??? That might be a bit too extreme.
I don't think it is too early to speculate on who will be losing minutes when Ryan returns. I'll go with Sackey losing 7, McMillan 6, Kiser and Krikke 3 each, and another 9 minutes equally spread across the roster.
Quote from: justducky on January 12, 2020, 01:28:05 PM
Quote from: wh on January 12, 2020, 12:20:12 PMThe key to using Kiser successfully is putting him on the floor with 4 capable offensive players, as was the case in the 2nd half yesterday.
:thumbsup: The only way he finds open inside or outside looks is when the floor is spread with multi threat shooters.
Quote from: wh on January 12, 2020, 12:20:12 PMPlaying him and Mileek at the same time is a formula for disaster.
True, and it only gets worse if Sackey is out there with them.
Quote from: wh on January 12, 2020, 12:20:12 PMJohn should start at the 5 from now on.
??? That might be a bit too extreme.
I don't think it is too early to speculate on who will be losing minutes when Ryan returns. I'll go with Sackey losing 7, McMillan 6, Kiser and Krikke 3 each, and another 9 minutes equally spread across the roster.
I should have clarified. Start Kiser at the 5 - until we get a healthy Ryan back. At that point, we go with a 2 guard (Daniel, Javon), 3 forward (Ryan, Nick, Donovan) starting lineup. Eron is the primary backup at guard, and John is primary backup at forward. Mileek and Ben maybe get a combined 10-15 minutes, possibly more depending on foul trouble or matchups.
This rotation will become the most potent offense in the MVC, including speed, athleticism, outside shooting, and slashing ability. Thinking you have to have a true center on the floor is an outdated paradigm (especially at the mid major level where dominant big men just don't exist. Matt has said as much. It's time to walk the talk and throw the 5 position in the scrap heap.
If we get a healthy Ryan back, the outcome of this season is far from determined.
We were both. Lottich's adjustment putting Kiser on the center was a master stroke but Drake also shot like 2-21 from 3 missing a lot of great looks where they made the extra pass and executed well on everything but the shot. If a few more of those go in earlier in the game we're not talking about that substitution. But in any basketball game there's a combination of luck and skill. A player misses a shot or makes a critical mistake and it sparks a run and allows a coach to make a move that he otherwise may not have been able to make that pays dividends. Happened to us yesterday. Happens all the time. Whether you want to focus on how lucky we were that Drake shot so poorly from outside or how great the move to switch Kiser in at the five was you're not wrong.
Great effort by the team...from coaches to players. The stayed the course, played hard, adjusted as needed. While shooting field goals poorly, they sure got it done on free throws. Can't emphasize enough their importance in a games outcome. While not a great Kiser fan, He was a big part of this win, competed hard like he always does and even hit a couple of 3's. Sackey??? Has got to learn to finish at the rim and not turn it over. I am disappointed that he continues to throw the ball away as much as he does. Good coaching by Matt and the Staff in going small in the second half and keeping the guys playing hard. Hopefully we will se a good showing at UNI this week then back at home with a big crowd and win vs. IN ST.
Quote from: wh on January 12, 2020, 10:15:43 AM
FYI for those who weren't there in person. The guy from the RailCats was doing the on-floor contests during timeouts again. This time the students were back and he got them all revved up. Also, one of the students hit a layup, FT, 3-pointer, and half court shot in 1 minute to win free Hungry Howies pizza for the whole section. The place went nuts. So much fun! Starting to feel like the ARC of days gone by again.
That is awesome to hear :thumbsup:
Any other updates for the fans that could not make it to the ARC?
Have they addressed earlier concerns from this year?
Concessions?
Long lines?
Stale popcorn?
Nachos?
Pep Band? (Looks to be stronger)
Mic for media at post game (don't think so still hard to hear the questions being asked by the media)
Any tables needed to be moved when leaving the arena?
How is the intro for the Crusaders?
Lighting, soundsystem, parking ect. can be discussed with facilities for I believe those are bigger goals to address.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 12, 2020, 02:21:32 PMWe were both. Lottich's adjustment putting Kiser on the center was a master stroke but Drake also shot like 2-21 from 3 missing a lot of great looks where they made the extra pass and executed well on everything but the shot. If a few more of those go in earlier in the game we're not talking about that substitution. But in any basketball game there's a combination of luck and skill. A player misses a shot or makes a critical mistake and it sparks a run and allows a coach to make a move that he otherwise may not have been able to make that pays dividends. Happened to us yesterday. Happens all the time. Whether you want to focus on how lucky we were that Drake shot so poorly from outside or how great the move to switch Kiser in at the five was you're not wrong.
The sarcastic "lucky" posts I made were highlighting previous posts made by other posters. I suppose SIU was lucky in their win over Valpo and we can apply "luck" to any win or loss. Frankly, it is extremely weak analysis.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 12, 2020, 02:21:32 PMbut Drake also shot like 2-21 from 3
Hmmm. Central Michigan shot 1 for 17 from the 3. Could it possibly be that we play lock-down defense against the 3?? :crazy:
Quote from: VALPO LI on January 12, 2020, 04:03:00 PM
Quote from: wh on January 12, 2020, 10:15:43 AM
FYI for those who weren't there in person. The guy from the RailCats was doing the on-floor contests during timeouts again. This time the students were back and he got them all revved up. Also, one of the students hit a layup, FT, 3-pointer, and half court shot in 1 minute to win free Hungry Howies pizza for the whole section. The place went nuts. So much fun! Starting to feel like the ARC of days gone by again.
That is awesome to hear :thumbsup:
Any other updates for the fans that could not make it to the ARC?
Have they addressed earlier concerns from this year?
Concessions?
Long lines?
Stale popcorn?
Nachos?
Pep Band? (Looks to be stronger)
Mic for media at post game (don't think so still hard to hear the questions being asked by the media)
Any tables needed to be moved when leaving the arena?
How is the intro for the Crusaders?
Lighting, soundsystem, parking ect. can be discussed with facilities for I believe those are bigger goals to address.
• Popcorn was being popped as they were selling it. Couldn't be fresher.
• No tables on the way out (as I recall).
• Concession lines at halftime were as horrendous as ever.
• Parking as bad as ever. Fortunately, we haven't had any plowed snow to make street parking even harder to find.
• Pep band was lively and larger than normal. Probably 15-18 members.
• Player intros video is ok, nothing to write home about. Kind of depressing to see a happy,!healthy Ryan featured on the video.
Quote from: wh on January 12, 2020, 10:15:43 AM
FYI for those who weren't there in person. The guy from the RailCats was doing the on-floor contests during timeouts again. This time the students were back and he got them all revved up. Also, one of the students hit a layup, FT, 3-pointer, and half court shot in 1 minute to win free Hungry Howies pizza for the whole section. The place went nuts. So much fun! Starting to feel like the ARC of days gone by again.
Everybody at the game got free pizza. It took them into the 2nd half to hand out the coupons.
Quote from: JD24 on January 12, 2020, 04:55:12 PM
The sarcastic "lucky" posts I made were highlighting previous posts made by other posters. I suppose SIU was lucky in their win over Valpo and we can apply "luck" to any win or loss. Frankly, it is extremely weak analysis.
Quote from: vu72 on January 12, 2020, 05:19:35 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on January 12, 2020, 02:21:32 PMbut Drake also shot like 2-21 from 3
Hmmm. Central Michigan shot 1 for 17 from the 3. Could it possibly be that we play lock-down defense against the 3?? :crazy:
Well, having watched Drake miss a lot of open looks, and knowing that on average this season our opponents shoot at a 34.6% rate from 3 (260th best 3pt defense in D1), and knowing Drake this season is shooting 34.7% on 3pt attempts and they average nearly 8 made 3pt shots per game, yes I'd say we were lucky that Drake made 10% (2 for 20) of their 3pt shots.
Or is that weak analysis? ;)
I'm glad we won and will take all the luck I can get, but let's not pretend we're suddenly a world-beating lock-down team around the perimeter.
Quote from: Valpower on January 12, 2020, 11:09:57 AM
Quote from: valpotx on January 11, 2020, 05:31:52 PMI know that there are a lot of Kiser haters out there, but I am still a fan. The guy does so many little things for us, and it showed today.
I meant to respond earlier to this, but got sidetracked. I don't think there are ANY Kiser haters out there, unless you're using "hater" in the social media sense, meaning "critic" (in which case, you need to stop). I think there is just a frustration some of us feel when he gets big minutes because it reminds us that one (or many) of our top-level recruits is under-performing, such as yesterday. Nevertheless, I think the frustration needs to be directed at the under-performing players and any criticism of Kiser needs to consider that that he is the ultimate utility player and not some specialist whose going rack up any particular stats on the offensive or defensive side of things. Honestly, I think everybody loves Kiser, but wishes we needed him less frequently.
The term 'hater' pre-dates social media, sorry to say :). I am now 38, and remember it being thrown around while I was at Valpo. I don't need to 'stop' anything, as it is my generation's communication style ;).
I really don't want to hear how we were "lucky" that Drake had an off shooting day. Valpo has been the "unluckiest" team in the MVC over the past 2 seasons in terms of extended injuries to a star player. That's genuine bad luck. Saying we were lucky that Drake had an off shooting day is an insult to our team and the great effort we put forth on defense Saturday.
I agree with wh's comments about "luck". You need to deal with the game at hand and Valpo made plays and adjustments to win against Drake (a good win!)
Per KenPom, Valpo for the season has a .000 score for luck (neither lucky or unlucky, though that is a bit hard to figure given Fazekas' injury). Drake on the other hand has been one of the "luckiest" teams (12th in the nation in the "luck" measure).
It was apparent when you watch the tape (I admit I'm old school in my language) that we were consciously focused on defending the 3. Drake had some looks, but were rushing their shots as their % was declining for the game. It was also apparent that Valpo was giving up inside penetration and backdoor cuts to defend the 3 based on the exceptionally high % for 2s by Drake. Also, Def eff numbers seem to focus intensely on shooting %. We turned Drake over 18 times leading to 20 points. Yes, our overall shooting % defense needs to continue to improve. To win conference, you have to not only score, but stop teams. But, would not state Drake was unlucky shooting 3s. We focused on holding them down. We were more effective at that. A most interesting stat is that Jonah Jackson has taken 90 of his 92 FGAs as 3 pt shots this year and hits at a 38% clip after going 0-5 Saturday. He averages about 2 3s a game. So, if we focused on reducing his volume and his made %, then we were very effective defensively on him (not luck).
Quote from: vu84v2 on January 13, 2020, 09:24:53 AM
I agree with wh's comments about "luck". You need to deal with the game at hand and Valpo made plays and adjustments to win against Drake (a good win!)
Per KenPom, Valpo for the season has a .000 score for luck (neither lucky or unlucky, though that is a bit hard to figure given Fazekas' injury). Drake on the other hand has been one of the "luckiest" teams (12th in the nation in the "luck" measure).
Kenpom's measure of luck is how a team performs in close games (5 points or fewer) relative to their expectations. If a team wins a lot of close games, especially ones in games they would be favored to lose, that improves their luck rating, the opposite occurrence would cause their luck rating to deteriorate.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://kenpom.com/blog/ratings-explanation/&ved=2ahUKEwie8Z_9-IDnAhUhAp0JHae_AL4QFjADegQIBRAC&usg=AOvVaw2y4AmtAa_-sI4HqBQggtXj&cshid=1578931336646
Quote from: valpotx on January 13, 2020, 03:22:27 AM
The term 'hater' pre-dates social media, sorry to say :). I am now 38, and remember it being thrown around while I was at Valpo. I don't need to 'stop' anything, as it is my generation's communication style ;).
I would have taken "Ok, boomer" as a correct response too. :) That said, I do hope no generation so completely characterizes "critical thinking" as "hating" that it becomes offensive and intolerable.
We are hearing some pretty amazing comments about the Drake game...we win because we were lucky, the opposition doesn't hit a high %-age of 3's because they were off but our defense on the 3's was not a factor, our coaches make some strategy moves with positive results but those results were because of Drake's bad luck or lack of execution. When we have a bad free throw shooting game the coaches should have the team shoot more free throws at practice. When we shoot them well and make them in the clutch as we did vs. Drake, no one gives anyone any credit. Are some of us afraid to give the Coaching Staff ANY credit for our successes?
I feel like we (collective) have moved from Rose colored glasses during the Drew era to " :censored:" colored ones.
Not to say that the last few years haven't been rough but I think there's also a tendency to forget that complaints about never being able to win the big games on the road or beating a ranked team, or playing like deer in headlights at times, were pretty common critiques during Bryce's tenure as well.
I Also think the High of the Alec Peters era coinciding with losing Bryce at the same time made for a jarring transition as I feel like no matter who stayed on as coach, the year after Peters was going to be a pretty big letdown.
I could really care less if we score from timeouts, inbound plays, out rebound, play a small line-up or play street ball. Doesn't matter. Results which are wins is what matters. Get enough of those and you can justify whatever it is that you do as a coaching staff.
Quote from: valpo84 on January 13, 2020, 09:36:03 AM
It was apparent when you watch the tape (I admit I'm old school in my language) that we were consciously focused on defending the 3. Drake had some looks, but were rushing their shots as their % was declining for the game. It was also apparent that Valpo was giving up inside penetration and backdoor cuts to defend the 3 based on the exceptionally high % for 2s by Drake. Also, Def eff numbers seem to focus intensely on shooting %. We turned Drake over 18 times leading to 20 points. Yes, our overall shooting % defense needs to continue to improve. To win conference, you have to not only score, but stop teams. But, would not state Drake was unlucky shooting 3s. We focused on holding them down. We were more effective at that. A most interesting stat is that Jonah Jackson has taken 90 of his 92 FGAs as 3 pt shots this year and hits at a 38% clip after going 0-5 Saturday. He averages about 2 3s a game. So, if we focused on reducing his volume and his made %, then we were very effective defensively on him (not luck).
Different words, but Gore made that exact point in the post game radio interview.
Did someone mention that they heard that Fazekas may return this week? Or was it wishful thinking?
WH--that's what happens when you stay at a Holiday Inn Express and play amateur sports broadcaster on weekends as my "side-hustle" as the millennials say. 8-) You start to sound like coaches in pressers.
I believe that Lottich referred to him as though he was starting to practice with the team or is about to start so maybe that's where that came from. I think, based on his injury, he'd be back within the next two weeks.
Quote from: wh on January 13, 2020, 08:29:06 AM
I really don't want to hear how we were "lucky" that Drake had an off shooting day. Valpo has been the "unluckiest" team in the MVC over the past 2 seasons in terms of extended injuries to a star player. That's genuine bad luck. Saying we were lucky that Drake had an off shooting day is an insult to our team and the great effort we put forth on defense Saturday.
I have to argue again that Ryan Fazekas is injury prone much like David Chadwick. He has a history of repeatedly getting injured. That is just something that some guys are stricken with. You will see just how long Ryan is playing before he injures himself again. Nothing has changed for Ryan in the past 4 years. He was injury prone at Providence too. More than half the time at Providence he was injured.
Quote from: valpo64 on January 13, 2020, 02:43:02 PMDid someone mention that they heard that Fazekas may return this week? Or was it wishful thinking?
I had heard he was progressing nicely ;D
"STATS ARE FOR NERDS"
- this board
If the Drake game is the start of an incredible 3pt defense renaissance, I will eat crow.
But if we give up, say, about 36% from 3 across the next 2 games, I'll be curious to see how y'all react :lol:
Honestly I'm glad so many of you are so positive, it's healthy for pessimists like me - sometimes it even rubs off!
Quote from: PlumStreetBum on January 12, 2020, 10:30:47 PMQuote from: JD24 on January 12, 2020, 04:55:12 PMThe sarcastic "lucky" posts I made were highlighting previous posts made by other posters. I suppose SIU was lucky in their win over Valpo and we can apply "luck" to any win or loss. Frankly, it is extremely weak analysis.
Quote from: vu72 on January 12, 2020, 05:19:35 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on January 12, 2020, 02:21:32 PMbut Drake also shot like 2-21 from 3
Hmmm. Central Michigan shot 1 for 17 from the 3. Could it possibly be that we play lock-down defense against the 3?? :crazy:
Well, having watched Drake miss a lot of open looks, and knowing that on average this season our opponents shoot at a 34.6% rate from 3 (260th best 3pt defense in D1), and knowing Drake this season is shooting 34.7% on 3pt attempts and they average nearly 8 made 3pt shots per game, yes I'd say we were lucky that Drake made 10% (2 for 20) of their 3pt shots. Or is that weak analysis? ;) I'm glad we won and will take all the luck I can get, but let's not pretend we're suddenly a world-beating lock-down team around the perimeter.
Who said any of that? If you're going to attribute wins and losses to good or bad luck it is weak analysis. The "pretend" part of your statement only makes your argument weaker since no one at all said that.
Quote from: JD24 on January 13, 2020, 08:48:04 PM
The "pretend" part of your statement only makes your argument weaker since no one at all said that.
I said it; it's called an inference. What about the rest of the analysis? No rebuttal to the stats?
Valpo will play at least 15 more games this year. Plenty of time to see if our 3pt defense has improved with Drake as the inflection point. I hope you're right and it is, but I'm gonna need more than 1 data point to believe the defense has turned the corner. (I hope you're right.)
Quote from: Valpower on January 13, 2020, 11:14:27 AM
Quote from: valpotx on January 13, 2020, 03:22:27 AM
The term 'hater' pre-dates social media, sorry to say :). I am now 38, and remember it being thrown around while I was at Valpo. I don't need to 'stop' anything, as it is my generation's communication style ;).
I would have taken "Ok, boomer" as a correct response too. :) That said, I do hope no generation so completely characterizes "critical thinking" as "hating" that it becomes offensive and intolerable.
Haha, I actually thought of saying that in response, but it is not a phrase I would ever use. I think that is a millennial or gen-z phrase, but it is funny that they think calling folks a 'boomer' is an insult to them. I get that they are just calling folks old, but it shows a lack of creativity. My birth year is technically between gen-X and millennial, so I see folks calling us xennials and the Oregon Trail Generation. We don't really slot in very easily with either gen-x or millennials, but have bits and pieces of each.
I've learned from the workplace that there are great millennials. The key is to separate the wheat (thoughtful, respectful young adults with good values) from the chaff (entitled narcissists) during the interview process. Something I've learned to ask is "Tell me about a time when you doubted your abilities." Their answer helps determine their level of coachability, and whether they've been able to transform self-doubt into self-growth. Entitled narcissists really struggle to come up with an acceptable answer because they consider themselves a finished product. Concepts like self-reflection, introspection, personal growth, etc. are so foreign to them, they struggle to even make up a phony answer.
Quote from: wh on January 14, 2020, 09:32:58 AM
I've learned from the workplace that there are great millennials. The key is to separate the wheat (thoughtful, respectful young adults with good values) from the chaff (entitled narcissists) during the interview process. Something I've learned to ask is "Tell me about a time when you doubted your abilities." Their answer helps determine their level of coachability, and whether they've been able to transform self-doubt into self-growth. Entitled narcissists really struggle to come up with an acceptable answer because they consider themselves a finished product. Concepts like self-reflection, introspection, personal growth, etc. are so foreign to them, they struggle to even make up a phony answer.
Is this not true for every generation ?
Quote from: vok22 on January 14, 2020, 09:41:26 AMQuote from: wh on January 14, 2020, 09:32:58 AMI've learned from the workplace that there are great millennials. The key is to separate the wheat (thoughtful, respectful young adults with good values) from the chaff (entitled narcissists) during the interview process. Something I've learned to ask is "Tell me about a time when you doubted your abilities." Their answer helps determine their level of coachability, and whether they've been able to transform self-doubt into self-growth. Entitled narcissists really struggle to come up with an acceptable answer because they consider themselves a finished product. Concepts like self-reflection, introspection, personal growth, etc. are so foreign to them, they struggle to even make up a phony answer.
Is this not true for every generation ?
Not if you're just talkin' 'bout my g-g-g-generation
Quote from: vok22 on January 14, 2020, 09:41:26 AM
Quote from: wh on January 14, 2020, 09:32:58 AM
I've learned from the workplace that there are great millennials. The key is to separate the wheat (thoughtful, respectful young adults with good values) from the chaff (entitled narcissists) during the interview process. Something I've learned to ask is "Tell me about a time when you doubted your abilities." Their answer helps determine their level of coachability, and whether they've been able to transform self-doubt into self-growth. Entitled narcissists really struggle to come up with an acceptable answer because they consider themselves a finished product. Concepts like self-reflection, introspection, personal growth, etc. are so foreign to them, they struggle to even make up a phony answer.
Is this not true for every generation ?
Of course; it's simply a matter of degree.
Here's an article from
Psychology Today that you might find interesting:
Why Is Narcissism Increasing Among Young Americans?Over the years, these questionnaires have been administered to many samples of college students, and analyses that bring all of the data together reveal that
the average narcissism score has been steadily increasing and the average empathy score has been steadily decreasing ever since the questionnaires were developed [3.] The changes are highly significant statistically and sufficiently large that approximately 70 percent of students today score higher on narcissism and lower on empathy than did the average student thirty years ago.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/freedom-learn/201401/why-is-narcissism-increasing-among-young-americans
Quote from: PlumStreetBum on January 13, 2020, 10:11:00 PMQuote from: JD24 on January 13, 2020, 08:48:04 PMThe "pretend" part of your statement only makes your argument weaker since no one at all said that.
I said it; it's called an inference. What about the rest of the analysis? No rebuttal to the stats? Valpo will play at least 15 more games this year. Plenty of time to see if our 3pt defense has improved with Drake as the inflection point. I hope you're right and it is, but I'm gonna need more than 1 data point to believe the defense has turned the corner. (I hope you're right.)
I haven't said the Valpo defense has turned any corner at all. All I've said is that attributing luck to analysis of a game is weak....and I'll throw lazy into the mix too.
Quote from: wh on January 14, 2020, 10:31:57 AM70 percent of students today score higher on narcissism
Well at least their scores have improved on something! ::)
Quote from: JD24 on January 14, 2020, 04:51:04 PM
Quote from: PlumStreetBum on January 13, 2020, 10:11:00 PMQuote from: JD24 on January 13, 2020, 08:48:04 PMThe "pretend" part of your statement only makes your argument weaker since no one at all said that.
I said it; it's called an inference. What about the rest of the analysis? No rebuttal to the stats? Valpo will play at least 15 more games this year. Plenty of time to see if our 3pt defense has improved with Drake as the inflection point. I hope you're right and it is, but I'm gonna need more than 1 data point to believe the defense has turned the corner. (I hope you're right.)
I haven't said the Valpo defense has turned any corner at all. All I've said is that attributing luck to analysis of a game is weak....and I'll throw lazy into the mix too.
Ding Ding Ding Ding
Each to your corners while I remind you that no low blows are allowed on this board even when things evolve into street brawls!
Quote from: Just Sayin on January 12, 2020, 11:12:06 AM
Quote from: valpotx on January 11, 2020, 05:31:52 PMI know that there are a lot of Kiser haters out there, but I am still a fan. The guy does so many little things for us, and it showed today. Yes, he is not an offensive dynamo. No, he is not fast, and quicker Guards can blow by him. Look back at the film, however, and you will see that he battled the hell out of their 7-footer, and made some key plays for us throughout the game. He is the 'glue guy' for us, in playing whatever role we ask of him, and not panicking when things get rough. Go Kiser!
Kiser for the season as of 1/11/20
Pom Rankings: Note - Minimum 40% minutes played and 2 shots per game to qualify
EffFG%: 6th Conference rank. 58%. First on team. 2nd Clay 54.1%
2Pt%: 15th in Conference. 55.8%. First on team. 2nd Milleek 51.9%
3Pt%: Did not qualify for Pom MVC ranking because need 2 shots per game. But his 3Pt% is 41.4% which puts him in 2nd place on the team behind Eron 47.4%
OR% (Offensive Rebound %) 20th in conference at 5.8%. 3rd place on team behind Nick Robinson 6.8% and Mileek 6.3%
Turnover% - 37th fewest @ 18.8% in conference. 3rd place in lowest TO% on team behind Javon 13.3% and Clay 18.7%
Assist Rate - 35th place in conference, 5th on team
Steal Rate - 29th in conference, 6th on team
Fouls committed per 40 minutes - 51st place 3.73, 6th fewest on team.
Fouls drawn per 40 minutes - 64th in conference, 6th on team. Leaders in front of Kiser are Javon 5.2 fourth in conference, Mileek 4.2 17th in conference, Nick 33rd in conference, Sackey 42nd in conference, Eron 53rd in conference, Clay 60th in conference.
Free throw percent. Doesn't qualify in Pom ranking, need two shots per game.
For the team though, he is 13-16, or 81.2%, higher than those who qualified for rankings such as Javon 2nd place 72.5%, Nick 70.6%, Sackey 69.4%
Memories. Kiser has always been a killer.