They seem to able to win with a young team? Coach is younger than ML and this is his first year as a head coach. Opposite of MSU who recites great but can't win.
It does beg the question why has Mullins been able to do so well at SIU while Matt has struggled at Valpo? I think the simple answer is experience. Mullins was an assistant for quite awhile before he took the reins in Carbondale and he was a lead assistant. Matt was not. Institutional commitment could be a factor as well.
There's also the belief that the past coach had the players but greatly underachieved and a better coach (granted) has aided in their recovery.
Matt's first year with the players that were still here (including a POY in an inferior league) did fine. The cupboard was then bare. How you rebuild from there determines your grade. So far, it's incomplete based on the factors that impacted him (discussed in multiple threads previously). How SIU's coach does going forward will be the real measuring stick as he recruits his players, how they perform, transferes, etc.
Most new coaches (checks a couple facts) have a 1st year bump/honeymoon period. New coaches also have to recreate the program over the next 3-4 years. Mid-majors have it more difficult because they are trading on P5 status to have better cupboards. Shoot even ol Roy is having a tough year bygumit.
Young team and first year coach just keep winning....
Top 6 scorers for SIU: Cook, sr; domask, FR (newcomer of year Mvc?); McGill, sr; benson, Grad sr; Jones, fr; Suggs, gr. Sr
Domask has to be the newcomer of the year. He has been amazing. That buzzer beater he hit was absolutely cold blooded.
An inexperienced, first year head coach who inherits a veteran team and they win...sound familiar?
Willing to bet that Mullins does better than Lottich going forward. He was seen as a rising star in the profession before taking the SIU job Lottich after taking the VU job was not.
Our thanks to tiny707 for opening this thread but for the moderators to acknowledge it as the official game thread you should amend it so that it includes the date, time, location etc. They are very picky about that. ::)
My thanks to wh for opening the last 8 in a row! :o I don't think that was what he wanted to do but when you get to 1 day before tipoff with no game thread then somebody needs to step up! Some of you newcomers who are not yet jinxed with losing streaks need to start taking your turns in the barrel.
As for SIU we are now overdue for a breakout performance! I will be at the ARC expecting this to happen.
Over under on attendance this Wednesday?
+/- 2,500?
why does the weather God hate us? 5-8" snow storm predicted for Wednesday night.
Time to act fast VU! How will you respond to the Snow?
Time To Promote! Promote and Promote this game NOW!!!
Blow up social media!!! :coffeetime:
Get the word out, shuttle the students to this game from their dorms, promote the campus shuttle and Crusader Transit Tracker! Have a snowball fight on the football field fraternity vs. fraternity.
Build a showman contest sorority vs. sorority!!! Winner gets free socks and bragging rights at halftime :thumbsup:
It will be depressing for the players and fans alike if we had another 1,333 home conference game like last year. Players feed off the crowd and it's up to the University to promote and get people in those seats. Free give away, free corn dogs anything to get students to show up tomorrow! I'll bet if they offer a free victory bell Elephtheria will show up and a candlestick for Valpo84.
Valpo to Attempt to Cool Off SIU on Wednesday
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2019-20/19694/valpo-to-attempt-to-cool-off-siu-on-wednesday/
Quote from: valpo64 on February 09, 2020, 08:05:47 PMAn inexperienced, first year head coach who inherits a veteran team and they win...sound familiar?
Mullins did not inherit a veteran team. McGill (starter) is one of two holdovers on the active roster. One recruit (Jones) recommitted to Mullins. The other starters, including Domask, are Mullins recruits. Mullins signed 9 new players. There weren't enough left over to put together a team.
Salukis hungry for more after last-second win over MSU
Todd Hefferman Feb 11, 2020 Updated 5 min ago
https://thesouthern.com/sports/college/salukimania/salukis-hungry-for-more-after-last-second-win-over-msu/article_c4bcee4e-ce57-59a4-a089-4867e5901aee.html
I honestly don't know what to think about this game. They totally handled us last time at their place. Now we have them at home, yet we never seem to miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity, so I can't predict a win. At this point in the season we need to step up and beat a team no one thinks we can beat. We haven't had that since what, Toledo? Central Michigan? Cincinnati? Oh that's right we lost that game, didn't we. Come on team. Give me a reason to think you can do something going into the conference tournament other than losing close. Or will you leave me once again saying, "We should be better next year even though we lose our best three point shooter and our glue guy.
Quote from: wh on February 11, 2020, 07:57:07 PM
Salukis hungry for more after last-second win over MSU
Todd Hefferman Feb 11, 2020 Updated 5 min ago
https://thesouthern.com/sports/college/salukimania/salukis-hungry-for-more-after-last-second-win-over-msu/article_c4bcee4e-ce57-59a4-a089-4867e5901aee.html
In conference SIU is 8th in offensive efficiency and 2nd in defensive efficiency so we match up fairly well with them. But they win close games. We are 3-pt. favorites only due to HCA.
Valpo 74
SIU 66
Quote from: Just Sayin on February 11, 2020, 09:54:08 PM
Quote from: wh on February 11, 2020, 07:57:07 PM
Salukis hungry for more after last-second win over MSU
Todd Hefferman Feb 11, 2020 Updated 5 min ago
https://thesouthern.com/sports/college/salukimania/salukis-hungry-for-more-after-last-second-win-over-msu/article_c4bcee4e-ce57-59a4-a089-4867e5901aee.html
In conference SIU is 8th in offensive efficiency and 2nd in defensive efficiency so we match up fairly well with them. But they win close games. We are 3-pt. favorites only due to HCA.
Doubt there'll be much of a HCA today besides the fact they have to travel and we don't. I would love to see a linear regression relating to forecasted snow impacts on attendance. For every half inch of snow we have to lose 500 fans.
For the love of god.... Please don't make THIS one of the games we miss all of our wide open shots and just can't find the rim.
I would have rather that happened at Loyola since it was a tall order to win there in the first place.
This is a game we have to win and it can't be a game we can't shoot.
Quote from: vok22 on February 12, 2020, 08:06:10 AM
Quote from: Just Sayin on February 11, 2020, 09:54:08 PM
Quote from: wh on February 11, 2020, 07:57:07 PM
Salukis hungry for more after last-second win over MSU
Todd Hefferman Feb 11, 2020 Updated 5 min ago
https://thesouthern.com/sports/college/salukimania/salukis-hungry-for-more-after-last-second-win-over-msu/article_c4bcee4e-ce57-59a4-a089-4867e5901aee.html
In conference SIU is 8th in offensive efficiency and 2nd in defensive efficiency so we match up fairly well with them. But they win close games. We are 3-pt. favorites only due to HCA.
Doubt there'll be much of a HCA today besides the fact they have to travel and we don't. I would love to see a linear regression relating to forecasted snow impacts on attendance. For every half inch of snow we have to lose 500 fans.
lol
Quote from: talksalot on February 10, 2020, 08:41:59 PM
why does the weather God hate us? 5-8" snow storm predicted for Wednesday night.
The latest weather tea leaf reading showed 1" to 3" by morning (Portage) and none of it appears to be the unpredictable lake-effect stuff. I found a partner
stupid, brave enough to tag along so I may still show up.
Just don't see it happening. .We lose by the number of inches of snow we will get....5. It's starting off as rain this afternoon, , switching to ice and then snow, causing attendance to be 2100.
I predict attendance will be worse than last Wednesday's game. And last Wednesday was awful.
Not just due to the weather. People are losing faith, and no one cares about Southern Illinois.
They should. SIU is one of if not the most tradition rich program the Valley has to offer and they are in the midst of a renaissance that will likely bring them back to their glory of the early and mid 2000s. I see some tournament runs in the Salukis not too distant future. They are white hot right now and Domask is awesome. Also this one may go a long way toward determining whether we're a Thursday team this year. 4-2 gives us a shot to avoid it 5-1 makes it a near certainty 6-0 makes it a lock but that's unlikely to see us run the table so we don't have much margin for error. This is a big important game. Probably the most important game of our season so far. I understand not showing up for weather You gotta be safe but if the weather is okay I hope people turn out.
There are no excuses for students not to walk over to the ARC for a Wednesday night game in (oh no) snow. WE had 22" of snow finals week one year and had to hoof it all the way from fraternity row (that would be Mound/Garfield for the newer folks) all the way to the Business building for a 9 am Econ exam (after being up late in a mass snow protest party on Mound).
It's a Wednesday night and a perfect way to get "fired up" for the Wednesday night fraternity-sorority parties starting around 9 (oh wait ???).
You can't compare what happened when you were there (80s) I assume or even when I graduated in 13 to today
Kids are way different
Much more intelligent across the board and-like it or not- have hobbies and interests other than watching athletes bounce a ball
Those days are over-especially when we aren't winning
The few people on here may think it's a big deal but we are in the minority- and shrinking-
I am the only person in my entire family going tonight due to the "weather." Not my wife, not my children, not my grandchildren. What a weak group. I told them all that I need some quiet time to figure out where I went wrong. ;)
Quote from: wh on February 12, 2020, 05:09:59 PM
I am the only person in my entire family going tonight due to the "weather." Not my wife, not my children, not my grandchildren. What a weak group. I told them all that I need some quiet time to figure out where I went wrong. ;)
Maybe you got it right- other interests-by the smartest generation
😉
Lot of threes going up early...
Yes! Attacking the basket now! I love it! Keep it up guys!
Robinson is looking good on D Krikke is off to a great start!
How many times a year do we have a scoreboard blink out?
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 12, 2020, 07:24:32 PMHow many times a year do we have a scoreboard blink out?
Shhh We're ahead... Now's not the time to harp on facilities and other shortcomings... :)
Quote from: Valpo2013 on February 12, 2020, 05:04:13 PM
You can't compare what happened when you were there (80s) I assume or even when I graduated in 13 to today
Kids are way different
Much more intelligent across the board and-like it or not- have hobbies and interests other than watching athletes bounce a ball
Those days are over-especially when we aren't winning
The few people on here may think it's a big deal but we are in the minority- and shrinking-
"Much more intelligent" lol. They may be exposed to more information, but I notice a ton of stupidity with the youngest generation :).
Quote from: valpotx on February 12, 2020, 07:33:19 PMQuote from: Valpo2013 on February 12, 2020, 05:04:13 PMYou can't compare what happened when you were there (80s) I assume or even when I graduated in 13 to today Kids are way different Much more intelligent across the board and-like it or not- have hobbies and interests other than watching athletes bounce a ball Those days are over-especially when we aren't winning The few people on here may think it's a big deal but we are in the minority- and shrinking-
"Much more intelligent" lol. They may be exposed to more information, but I notice a ton of stupidity with the youngest generation :).
They are more woke.
Getting to the rim Playing really well But we need to finish better at the rim... That's it Zion!
What the hell's going on?! Why can't we ever catch a freaking break?!
Quote from: Just Sayin on February 12, 2020, 07:34:09 PM
Quote from: valpotx on February 12, 2020, 07:33:19 PMQuote from: Valpo2013 on February 12, 2020, 05:04:13 PMYou can't compare what happened when you were there (80s) I assume or even when I graduated in 13 to today Kids are way different Much more intelligent across the board and-like it or not- have hobbies and interests other than watching athletes bounce a ball Those days are over-especially when we aren't winning The few people on here may think it's a big deal but we are in the minority- and shrinking-
"Much more intelligent" lol. They may be exposed to more information, but I notice a ton of stupidity with the youngest generation :).
They are more woke.
I never want to be woke, if it means that I have to try and get the best dangerous selfie, or live in 3 second Boomerang gifs.
Okay... GREAT FIRST HALF ON DEFENSE! That's the best defense I've seen in a LONG TIME! Offense.... Not so much... Had a great stretch midway through the half and took a few tough calls but on the whole we need to be much better against this team. I feel very good overall about what I have seen this half but we need better for me to feel confident about this one. Come on guys! We need this one! Finish strong for 20 more minutes! I BELIEVE!
Why are we discussing woke culture in the middle of a game? Come on Y'all! What did you think of the first half? What do we need to do to get this key win?
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 12, 2020, 07:50:32 PM
Why are we discussing woke culture in the middle of a game? Come on Y'all! What did you think of the first half? What do we need to do to get this key win?
Are you from the South?
It's a positive that there aren't a lot of comments, as it means that we are all sitting back and happy with what we are seeing so far.
Been flipping through all the valley games. You guys have awful announcers. I thought Illinois state announcers were awful but god do these dudes take the cake.
I think our main guy might be doing TV right now but I'm not sure... Also... Illinois State's announcers suck WAY MORE They are as boring as plain white toast I am NOT looking forward to watching that game in Normal on ESPN3...
That was an ugly yet entertaining play at the 16 min mark by Krikke, Freeman, Clay, Freeman Krikke.... and 2 pts.
BEN KRIKKE!!!
We need to tighten things up on offense... Too many turnovers... Way too many...
Krikke with the reservations for 2 +1!
Kiser is TOUGH AS NAILS! I love him! Hit these free throws!
It's Krikke Time!!!! Kid is having a game :thumbsup:
Is this the turnaround game?
As our announcers said Krikke needs more minutes... RELEASE THE KRIKKE! Is there a reason Javon hasn't played? Please tell me he isn't hurt...
Quote from: Just Sayin on February 12, 2020, 08:36:51 PMIs this the turnaround game?
Ask me that again in about 7 minutes of game action... Come on guys! Stay strong and finish!
NICE JOB GUYS! WAY TO FINISH JAVON!
Jeebus. Just one game where everything goes well.
Ugg. This is why we can't have nice things.
Anybody know what happened to Kiser? Please tell me it isn't somehow related to facility issues... That's not good.... Kiser you have been amazing tonight and indeed all season! I hope you get healthy soon!
AMAZING DEFENSIVE EFFORT! GREAT JOB GUYS! That's a great and huge win! Really hope Kiser is okay... That's all class by SIU. Fantastic stuff by them! Respect.
17 turnovers... Yikes... That's an ugly stat... We aren't going to win too many games doing that. We need to get better.
Kiser led us in +/- today with a +20. Glue...guy
I hope that it is a minor sprain.
Seemed like he couldn't put weight on it and had to be carried to the postgame prayer That is not a good sign....
Fun game to watch. Good job by coaches and players.
If you had the under, you probably won.
Important win. Now you are done with the top 3 in the league until the tourney. Make these last 5 count in the standings. The aftermath of Kiser's injury did not look good. Maybe they'll win out for Kiser??? Here's hoping.
I LOVE Luke Gore! He's all about the team the guys and the program! "We didn't play 40 minutes. They had six minutes they shouldn't have had because we didn't lock in." That's fantastic! That's the attitude! Great stuff! And his mind is constantly on Kiser His concern is obvious and palpable. Much respect for that man.
Great win, we needed that.
Couldn't watch the game since ESPN+ doesn't seem to like my iPad down here in Aruba. But did manage to listen to the radio call. Sounds like we finally put together two good halves featuring stifling defense and another good offensive game from Krikke. He and Clay have really exceeded expectations as freshmen.
Really hope Kiser's injury isn't as bad as described. He deserves to end his college career on the court. Hope he makes it back at least for the tournament if not sooner.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 12, 2020, 08:37:26 PMIs there a reason Javon hasn't played? Please tell me he isn't hurt...
There was a lengthy stretch which featured Sackey, Clay, Gordon, Kiser and Krikke. Not the power lineup I was expecting but it was working. :o. Who knew?
Quote from: nkvu on February 12, 2020, 09:38:54 PM
Couldn't watch the game since ESPN+ doesn't seem to like my iPad down here in Aruba.
There's a humblebrag if I've ever heard one.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 12, 2020, 08:38:07 PMQuote from: Just Sayin on February 12, 2020, 08:36:51 PMIs this the turnaround game?
Ask me that again in about 7 minutes of game action... Come on guys! Stay strong and finish!
It might be my friend... It might be... Just to be safe though let's watch at least one or two more before we finally make that judgment once and for all... This was VERY PROMISING though.
Quote from: vusupporter on February 12, 2020, 10:13:25 PM
Quote from: nkvu on February 12, 2020, 09:38:54 PM
Couldn't watch the game since ESPN+ doesn't seem to like my iPad down here in Aruba.
There's a humblebrag if I've ever heard one.
Not really all that humble. 😉
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 12, 2020, 07:57:03 PMI think our main guy might be doing TV right now but I'm not sure... Also... Illinois State's announcers suck WAY MORE They are as boring as plain white toast I am NOT looking forward to watching that game in Normal on ESPN3...
If the reference was to Todd by the poster with 1 post, there's going to be a problem.
Sadly, I think we have seen the last of Kiser playing for Valpo. He positively was in a great amount of pain. He could not put any pressure on his foot and for someone who, through his whole career, always seemed to bounce back from hard hits by just taking a big breath this was a very serious injury. I'm thinking he broke or fractured something in his ankle. Even if it is a mild sprain you're looking at being out 2 -3 weeks, which is the end of the season. By the way he was being carried around, my thought is the minimum injury he sustained was a severe sprain. With that being 6-8 weeks recovery time. I hope that I'm wrong and we see him suited up for Illinois State but I'm not counting on it.
He will be sorely missed. Hopefully all the glue he applied to this team this year sticks around for a while cause I know if he can't play he will be on the bench encouraging his teammates. That's what a team players does and John is truly a team player with great Heart.
All the best to you john. Loved seeing you play and all you did for the team.
Give both of these men (Ryan and John) a lot of love and a standing ovation on Senior Day. The caliber of people and teammates they have been and all of the injuries they have gutted out have warranted at least this much. I really hope the fans properly appreciate what these two young men have done for this program. I believe that they have both been instrumental in laying the foundation for the success that is to come. Another thing I loved seeing was Sackey carrying him to the postgame prayer. Even in the midst of a tough year for him personally Daniel's always got his teammates' back. That was awesome and was a testament to his character! He's a leader and one day his play will show it too. I feel like he's already starting to come out of his slump a bit. If he can string a couple of good games together to close the year look out next year. Even if he can't you know he's going to work his butt off in the offseason. Give this team one thing: they work extremely hard and I hope that never changes. That kind of stuff makes me proud as an alum. Go Valpo! I BELIEVE!
Quote from: Mvcfan1990 on February 12, 2020, 07:54:56 PM
Been flipping through all the valley games. You guys have awful announcers. I thought Illinois state announcers were awful but god do these dudes take the cake.
If his talking about David Husman, I whole heartedly agree. He's the Mileek of calling a game....
over eager and full of analogies that don't land well. I mean honestly, I feel like it's open mic night at the comedy club and he's trying out new material on us every night. Settle down sir, tranquilo...
Brandon, the silver-typist at the SID desk for Men's Basketball recapped the record setting night...
Inside the Game
The 37 points were the fewest allowed against a Division-I opponent since Jan. 21, 1984, when Valpo edged Green Bay 35-33. Wednesday set the record for the fewest points allowed by a Valpo team since the advent of the shot clock in 1985-86. (in one of the last games played in Hilltop Gym ! This sets the new ARC Mark)
Valpo's performance tied for 16th in Missouri Valley Conference history since the advent of the shot clock for the fewest points allowed in a conference game.
The 38 points were the second-fewest scored by the Salukis (15-11, 9-4) in school history since 1950 and the fewest since 36 at Bradley in 1981.
The 38 points were the fewest scored by any Missouri Valley Conference team this season. The previous low was Loyola's 39 on Feb. 5 at Indiana State. Wednesday marked the lowest point total by a Valley team since Loyola had 35 on Jan. 23, 2019 vs. Missouri State.
The 38 points also marked the fewest allowed by a Valley team in any game this year and the fewest since the aforementioned outing by Missouri State last season.
The 13 made baskets by Southern Illinois were the fewest by any MVC team in conference play this season and the second-fewest by any MVC team in any game. The Salukis had just 10 baskets on Dec. 15 at Missouri.
Valpo became the first MVC team to allow just 13 made field goals or fewer in a game this season. Bradley previously topped that chart with just 14 field goals allowed vs. North Carolina A&T on Dec. 7.
The 23.6 percent shooting was the best defensive performance in terms of field-goal percentage by an MVC team this season. The last Missouri Valley Conference team to hold an opponent to that low of a single-game field goal percentage was Drake on Nov. 8, 2018 vs. Division-III Buena Vista.
Wednesday's Valpo performance marked the best field-goal percentage defense by any Valley team in a game against a Division-I foe since Wichita State held Cal Poly to 20.7 percent on March 21, 2014. Valpo held SIU to 23.6 percent, the lowest single-game field goal percentage by an MVC team in a conference game since March 2, 2007, when Creighton limited Indiana State to 23.3 percent.
The 17-point margin of victory was Valpo's largest in conference play and second-largest against a Division-I opponent this season behind a 22-point win over Central Michigan. Wednesday's game tied with a 77-60 victory over Drake on Jan. 10, 2018 for Valpo's most lopsided MVC win since joining the league.
After he scored 21 points in the first half in the first meeting between the two teams, Southern Illinois star freshman Marcus Domask was limited to two points prior to halftime on Wednesday. Valpo held him to seven points on 2-of-10 shooting for the game.
Krikke finished with a team-high 15 points and shared the team lead with Freeman-Liberty in rebounds with seven. The freshman forward has led the team in scoring in two of the last four games and three times total this season.
Freeman-Liberty got to 14 points, his 26th straight game in double figures. He also had two steals to lift his season total to 58, tied with Keith Carter's 2015-16 season for the fourth in program history. The single-season record is 63 set by Lubos Barton in 2001-02.
Donovan Clay (Alton, Ill. / Alton) had a career-high five assists and did not commit a turnover.
McMillan contributed nine points and five rebounds on an efficient 4-of-6 shooting.
and this:...
Senior John Kiser (Noblesville, Ind. / Noblesville) led Valpo in the plus-minus department with a +20.
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I have not seen the replay... but if anyone has access and can post the 30-seconds from 16:10 to 15:40 of the second half. I'd love to see that Krikke put-back. The "Refs were letting them play".
QuoteValpo's MVC Ranking To Date:
Offense Defense Div. 1 Avg
3P%: 30.2 (9) 35.7 (6) 33.3
2P%: 49.7 (4) 49.4 (4) 49.3
To date, Valpo is the 4th best team in conference in shooting and defending the 2. This team has been improving steadily under the radar in defense. Perhaps this win over SIU is the turnaround game.
https://wsiltv.com/2020/02/13/siu-mbb-falls-on-the-road-to-valpo-55-38/
https://www.kfvs12.com/video/2020/02/13/heartland-sports-pm/
Channel 12 KFVS CBS Cape Girardeau, MO
Why was Kiser on the court with 2 minutes left of a blowout win?
We only have so many walk ons.
Nice to see these guys play well and comeback after a rough loss to Hogwarts. Great character.
With 5 games left, we sit tied for 6th and we play the right set of teams to move up in the standings (the two teams we are tied for 6th with, the team 1 game ahead of us, the team 2 games ahead of us, and a team at the bottom). Last two games we put together solid games. If that continues each of these games is very winnable. 3-2 gets us to 500, 4-1 will put us in the positive and certainly keep us out of the Thursday game.
Quote from: vuny98 on February 13, 2020, 08:18:07 AM
With 5 games left, we sit tied for 6th and we play the right set of teams to move up in the standings (the two teams we are tied for 6th with, the team 1 game ahead of us, the team 2 games ahead of us, and a team at the bottom). Last two games we put together solid games. If that continues each of these games is very winnable. 3-2 gets us to 500, 4-1 will put us in the positive and certainly keep us out of the Thursday game.
Exactly... 3 games are on the road but I think we can steal 1 or 2 of them. I understand all road games are hard and although we have played well in lots of road games we haven't' won very many of them, but if we play 1 or 2 games like we played @Loyola or @UNI I really think we can pick off a few teams.
Kiser is probably out, but between Krikke/Clay/Robinson/Gordon/Morgan we can get 25-30 good minutes in the aggregate. His leadership will still be there at practice and on the sidelines but you give each of those guys 5 extra minutes and it won't hurt as bad as we think.
Quote from: mj on February 13, 2020, 07:12:12 AM
Why was Kiser on the court with 2 minutes left of a blowout win?
Sorry, I'd agree with that statement if you had referenced other players but Kiser is a filler minutes guy. Thought I think you are being sarcastic . . .
Quote from: bbtds on February 13, 2020, 06:36:44 AM
https://www.kfvs12.com/video/2020/02/13/heartland-sports-pm/
Channel 12 KFVS CBS Cape Girardeau, MO
Thanks for sharing. Props for them covering their local college team. But man that is an amazing microcosm of media in this day and age. They showed only made shots by SIU of which there were 12 or 13 right? And then they showed Javon dribble off his shin . . . hahaha.
This type of reporting is why many stop watching their local news. I know my small world, but at 37-years old the local newspaper (from childhood onward) was full of poorly worded stories with very little meat to accurately form opinions of a subject. It's for that reason that I pay way too much money for Bloomberg.com and other outlets that have more detailed reporting on the world around me.
Note: Notice how I never mentioned politics until this point . . . pass it on gents!!!
Quote from: talksalot on February 13, 2020, 05:36:16 AMI have not seen the replay... but if anyone has access and can post the 30-seconds from 16:10 to 15:40 of the second half. I'd love to see that Krikke put-back. The "Refs were letting them play".
Here are three looks on that play.
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1228037734117388288
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1228038034228117504
https://twitter.com/AlBillets/status/1227815105871667200
If...
Javon can develop his outside shot...
Sackey can shake off this sophomore slump...
Clay can remain solid and make a big leap next year...
Mileek can continue to refine his game and get better on defense...
Krikke can continue this leap he is making and add to it...
And the recruits are as good as advertised...
We could be in for some special times ahead! Go Valpo! I BELIEVE!
So next game could be the debut of Coach Kiser.
Seriously, I know he's got the whole engineering thing going for him. But tell me he doesn't profile as a guy who would make an excellent coach.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 13, 2020, 01:51:28 PMSo next game could be the debut of Coach Kiser. Seriously, I know he's got the whole engineering thing going for him. But tell me he doesn't profile as a guy who would make an excellent coach.
See a little Diebler in him too do you?
i want to see more minutes for Clay.
He has a great overall game on both defense and offense and rarely seems to drive himself into trouble. In fact he rescues a lot of rebounds and late in clock plays with good anticipation.
Good things seem to happen when he touches the ball. Maybe he emerges even more during the Kiser injury
Quote from: crusadermoe on February 13, 2020, 04:36:24 PMi want to see more minutes for Clay. He has a great overall game on both defense and offense and rarely seems to drive himself into trouble. In fact he rescues a lot of rebounds and late in clock plays with good anticipation. Good things seem to happen when he touches the ball. Maybe he emerges even more during the Kiser injury
Don't know how he could get more minutes. Has been getting around 30 and more a game. Has even gotten more than Javon (the leader in minutes) a few times.
Kiser's minutes are going to be split between several players most likely. I think we'll see an uptick in playing time for a lot of people. It's going to take a committee effort to replace what he brought and I hope his injury motivates the whole team to step up.
I know he's the fan favorite and respect his want-to attitude but if he gets on the coaching staff along with the other former walk on who is already on staff - that'll be the last straw for me as a donor and supporter of the school and program.
Why? Because it would show Matt isn't willing to go and seek an alternative perspective. I know I will get flack for this post but am OK with that as it's what I firmly believe.
I don't know what to say to that... Matt hiring a player who might have coaching acumen to start as an end of the bench assistant is the end of your support for the program? That's a ridiculous statement. Would it have been better if he had been a scholarship player and an obvious four year contributor? I like when Valpo has found outside voices and influences too but there's nothing wrong with grooming a guy you might think has potential in the ranks on your own bench especially if he's not occupying a pivotal role to start out. Valpo has gone outside its "family" and "network" many times to find assistants. What was Powell's connection to the program? Ragland's? Dildy's? Holloway's? Was Gore a "Valpo guy" before Homer brought him aboard? All I ask is that Valpo hire quality candidates and if that means it's from within the network that's fine if it doesn't that's fine as well but the idea that Valpo hires someone from within for a small role on the coaching staff is the end of your time as a fan is a pretty heavy statement and one that I don't understand. And this is coming from a fellow Lottich skeptic who has been on your side of the Lottich debate fairly consistently but is trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. I really think good things are about to come for us. That SIU game was a strong indication. If we can string another game or two like that together it looks very good for our future. Go Valpo! I BELIEVE!
Yeah, bit of an overreaction there, 87. I was thinking as a grad assistant if he needs an extra semester or two of work. Engineering is a tough major.
Oh one other point: This came from someone who is all about hiring Greg Tonagel to COACH THE TEAM but can't stand the thought of Kiser as an end of bench assistant. That's some cognitive dissonance.
Because it would mean two of the coaches are recent grads who essentially only played under one college coach.
Not very diverse is my point. Now - if the head coach is a savant and doing things that people are trying to emulate, touché. Nothing personal to either player and wouldn't make a difference if they were on scholarship or not. Just saying we need more than want to ... grit ... being in one boat. History is showing us we need more Xs and Os is all I'm saying. Any leader who surrounds themself with people who offer dynamic and different experiences will surely benefit from it if they're willing to explore what they have to offer. I make the statement not because of who we're talking about but the larger picture of what that *could* imply about the limited vantage points and philosophies on the table.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on February 14, 2020, 03:29:52 PMYeah, bit of an overreaction there, 87. I was thinking as a grad assistant if he needs an extra semester or two of work.
Sure! If John has the strong desire (coaching isn't for everyone) and we have an unfilled need for his specific qualifications then he might be an appropriate choice.
Quote from: GoldenCrusader87 on February 14, 2020, 01:25:34 PMWhy? Because it would show Matt isn't willing to go and seek an alternative perspective. I know I will get flack for this post but am OK with that as it's what I firmly believe.
I think Im finally understanding your thoughts. Matt trains John. John unconsciously models his thinking, behavior and situational response. Avoid the groupthink danger by letting John coach elsewhere first. Its something to think about.
Right because having former Duke players serve as assistants under Coach K has been such a problem for that program... or former Butler players under the various Butler coaches over the years... If your program is solid and it works then promoting from within is not a bad thing if you really believe a candidate can work. It is good to get an outside voice every once in awhile as well but promoting from within is something a lot of successful programs do with of course mixed results but usually solid. Such was the thought process on hiring Matt in the first place and it looks like maybe that experiment is about to turn the corner. But we'll see I'll reserve judgment on that specific case but promoting from within is common especially at private schools.
I'm sure Kiser is looking to utilize an engineering degree to jump-start a coaching career.
Quote from: GoldenCrusader87 on February 14, 2020, 04:59:23 PMBecause it would mean two of the coaches are recent grads who essentially only played under one college coach. Not very diverse is my point. Now - if the head coach is a savant and doing things that people are trying to emulate, touché. Nothing personal to either player and wouldn't make a difference if they were on scholarship or not. Just saying we need more than want to ... grit ... being in one boat. History is showing us we need more Xs and Os is all I'm saying. Any leader who surrounds themself with people who offer dynamic and different experiences will surely benefit from it if they're willing to explore what they have to offer. I make the statement not because of who we're talking about but the larger picture of what that *could* imply about the limited vantage points and philosophies on the table.
Look at the assistant coaches that have been on his staff since he came here. There's been a lot of turnover yes but it looks to me like he is consistently looking outside of the network and family for ideas. Again, several of the coaches that have been here during the Lottich era are not "Valpo guys" Lottich himself is something of an outsider having only been on Bryce's staff a little bit. I think there is plenty of diversity of opinion on his staff and I'm sure he consults a variety of sources and people for opinions. I understand the concern but do not share it. I don't think he's just trying to surround himself with yes men who follow his one perspective at all.
Maybe I will be proven wrong, and I understand this was all hypothetical, but I can't imagine John going through a rigorous degree such as mechanical engineering, to end up being an end of the bench coach at a mid major school. With his record as a student athlete walk-on that is majoring in mechanical engineering, he will end up getting a solid, well paying job in his field. However, the point is still valid to me in regards to hiring in house. I have nothing against hiring in house, especially for end of the bench assistants, but it would be nice to have an out of the system x and o guy. Maybe we already have that, I am not too familiar with the roles of each assistant coach, and it certainly is not something to end a fandom over.
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Right because having former Duke players serve as assistants under Coach K has been such a problem for that program... or former Butler players under the various Butler coaches over the years... If your program is solid and it works then promoting from within is not a bad thing if you really believe a candidate can work. It is good to get an outside voice every once in awhile as well but promoting from within is something a lot of successful programs do with of course mixed results but usually solid. Such was the thought process on hiring Matt in the first place and it looks like maybe that experiment is about to turn the corner. But we'll see I'll reserve judgment on that specific case but promoting from within is common especially at private schools.
I stand corrected. Coach K and Matt are clearly comparable lol. My apologies all.
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I just can't find the words to argue--so :thumbsup:
I would have thought that comment was posted by Tiny707
Man we have really gone off the rails in speculation and theorizing on an innocuous comment of "Coach Kiser". I take it as him coaching from the bench, by being supportive and encouraging to his fellow players while he's unable to play. Helping the team in what ever capacity he can for the rest of the year. To take that to a passionate discourser on the administration's method of hiring coaches seems to be rather extreme.
John studied to be an engineer not a basketball coach for Valpo. Why get so riled up about a supposed situation (becoming a VU coach) that has about a 99.9% chance of never happening?
QuoteMan we have really gone off the rails in speculation and theorizing on an innocuous comment of "Coach Kiser". I take it as him coaching from the bench, by being supportive and encouraging to his fellow players while he's unable to play. Helping the team in what ever capacity he can for the rest of the year. To take that to a passionate discourser on the administration's method of hiring coaches seems to be rather extreme. John studied to be an engineer not a basketball coach for Valpo. Why get so riled up about a supposed situation (becoming a VU coach) that has about a 99.9% chance of never happening?
Because some posters like to wear the "if this happens I'm through" badge as one of honor no matter how um....odd...it may seem to the rest of the board.
Any word on Kiser?
Right because having former Duke players serve as assistants under Coach K has been such a problem for that program... or former Butler players under the various Butler coaches over the years... If your program is solid and it works then promoting from within is not a bad thing if you really believe a candidate can work. It is good to get an outside voice every once in awhile as well but promoting from within is something a lot of successful programs do with of course mixed results but usually solid. Such was the thought process on hiring Matt in the first place and it looks like maybe that experiment is about to turn the corner. But we'll see I'll reserve judgment on that specific case but promoting from within is common especially at private schools. I stand corrected. Coach K and Matt are clearly comparable lol. My apologies all.
Golden Crusader 87,
I didn't make that post to suggest that Coach K and Matt are comparable (ask bbtds if I think Coach K and Matt are comparable and he will direct you to a thread on Bryce Drew where hat eating is mentioned should Matt win a few National Titles I merely wrote that to suggest that promoting\hiring from within is not inherently a bad or flawed strategy which may not have been your original contention anyway. That said, I think a coach should have discretion to hire or promote especially for a small end of the bench role a candidate that he thinks has potential even if it's someone who played for him regardless of if there's another former player on the roster. That's all.
Something we can all agree on - let's break the pattern by winning 2 straight games tonight.
Go VU!
Quote from: VUBBFan on February 13, 2020, 12:14:13 AMSadly, I think we have seen the last of Kiser playing for Valpo. He positively was in a great amount of pain. He could not put any pressure on his foot and for someone who, through his whole career, always seemed to bounce back from hard hits by just taking a big breath this was a very serious injury. I'm thinking he broke or fractured something in his ankle. Even if it is a mild sprain you're looking at being out 2 -3 weeks, which is the end of the season. By the way he was being carried around, my thought is the minimum injury he sustained was a severe sprain. With that being 6-8 weeks recovery time. I hope that I'm wrong and we see him suited up for Illinois State but I'm not counting on it. He will be sorely missed. Hopefully all the glue he applied to this team this year sticks around for a while cause I know if he can't play he will be on the bench encouraging his teammates. That's what a team players does and John is truly a team player with great Heart. All the best to you john. Loved seeing you play and all you did for the team.
Man I'm eating some crow and liking it. Kiser must be the Man of Steel. I was so positive he was gone for the season. For once I'm glad I was wrong.
Go John Kiser!
https://twitter.com/MichaelOsipoff/status/1228817644637376514
https://twitter.com/NWIOren/status/1228817907871862794
Can be tough to tell but he didn't appear to be in any real discomfort last night when he'd move around off the bench.