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Title: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VUGrad1314 on February 21, 2020, 12:09:25 AM
Quick scouting report on the Braves (that takes a very optimistic tone)

https://www.midmajormadness.com/2020/2/20/21145733/elijah-childs-bradley-basketball-mvc-valley-darrell-brown-warlde-ncaa-tournament-uni-loyola-chicago
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: valpotx on February 21, 2020, 05:16:47 AM
Valpo 72
Bradley 60
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: GoldenCrusader87 on February 21, 2020, 07:35:20 AM
Who knows what to expect on the court at this point. We could dominate and ever "Centier Bank 3-pointer" early and often. Maybe we play defense. Maybe we work in the back door cuts. Maybe we undergo yet another long scoring drought. Maybe Bradley does. I really don't know with this team.

Here's my question: it's a Saturday night game. No snow in the forecast.

+/- 2,500?

No reason why it should be (-) .... right????
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: Just Sayin on February 21, 2020, 07:41:44 AM
Valpo favored but Bradley is at full strength and are playing well and are on a four-game winning streak. Bradley steals one from us tomorrow.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: oklahomamick on February 21, 2020, 08:28:48 AM
Wardle goes down.  On a patch of ice and in the game.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: M on February 21, 2020, 10:19:07 AM
LOL, just like old times.  :lol:
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: GoldenCrusader87 on February 21, 2020, 10:23:12 AM
Buy one get one tickets for Saturday's and Tuesday's games.

Nice for season ticket holders who paid FULL price ....

A clear sign things are going well and headed in the right direction.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: M on February 21, 2020, 12:24:56 PM
I said the same thing to the gas station attendant when I got gas for $2.49 the other day and then saw it for $2.29.  Can't believe they wouldn't refund me.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: NativeCheesehead on February 22, 2020, 08:53:43 AM
As stated above, will be really curious to see attendance tonight with good weather and cheap tickets, but I'm prepared to be disappointed.

Good news is, I watched our two game win streak from various hotel rooms and watched our last loss from home. I'm back on the road today so we're getting that W tonight.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: GoldenCrusader87 on February 22, 2020, 11:22:21 AM
Gas station comparison is really ... ummm ... lol no comment.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: GoldenCrusader87 on February 22, 2020, 05:38:57 PM
Beautiful day ... Saturday night ... but one get one tickets ... hall of fame night ...

I'm taking the over on 2500 in attendance.

Hoping for ... 3,000
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: valpotx on February 22, 2020, 06:56:45 PM
Guessing 3,200
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on February 22, 2020, 07:04:16 PM
Quote from: valpotx on February 22, 2020, 06:56:45 PMGuessing 3,200
Just came here to say the same, looks like a decent little crowd!
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: oklahomamick on February 22, 2020, 07:09:25 PM
Bradley thinks it's all good, just wait until they start leading by 17 then they in trouble.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: nkvu on February 22, 2020, 07:09:57 PM
Off to our usual start. Maybe if we get down 15 or 20 we'll start to play a bit.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: GoVU on February 22, 2020, 07:19:58 PM
Krikke needs to slam it down like that every time! A thing of beauty!
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: oklahomamick on February 22, 2020, 07:21:04 PM
Krikke Can dunk!
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VALPO LI on February 22, 2020, 07:21:23 PM
That's what I'm talking about Krikke take it to the hoop and dunk it :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: valpotx on February 22, 2020, 07:25:55 PM
Mileek doesn't seem to understand that you can't dribble into your guy, without expecting that the help-side defender will try to sag off his guy, for an easy steal.  He does that over and over, and it is extremely annoying.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: nkvu on February 22, 2020, 07:27:01 PM
Another four or five points down and we'll have them right where we want them.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on February 22, 2020, 07:28:46 PM
I don't care how many three-pointers Mileek can make I would still ride him on the pine to start games because Krikke is just better than him.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VUSWIM08-12 on February 22, 2020, 07:29:16 PM
Can we check to see if ML actually got a degree from Stanford...LOL. ughh same thing over and over , Lottichs fault, no one else's...He is supposed to lead young men and has no clue how to, that offensive foul on JFL wasn't there. Lottich sat on the bench. Weak
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VUSL98 on February 22, 2020, 07:32:22 PM
Just keep JFL, Krikke and Clay for next year, and I'll be happy.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: oklahomamick on February 22, 2020, 07:33:24 PM
Gordon has been really good this game so far.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: nkvu on February 22, 2020, 07:37:06 PM
Do we ever defend the back cut?  Seems like every team in the league runs that successfully on us.

Then again, we haven't defended much of anything so far.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: oklahomamick on February 22, 2020, 07:41:47 PM
How come JFL doesn't get any calls?  Actually if anything he gets calls going against that shouldn't.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: valpotx on February 22, 2020, 07:44:11 PM
1/3 and 0/2 from the line by JFL and Gordon over the last 5 minutes did not help, but I feel good only down 6.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: valpopal on February 22, 2020, 07:46:09 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 22, 2020, 07:41:47 PM
How come JFL doesn't get any calls?  Actually if anything he gets calls going against that shouldn't.
JFL was battered throughout the first half, knocked to the floor at least four times, and he only got one call with 1.9 left in the period.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: GoldenCrusader87 on February 22, 2020, 07:59:09 PM
How come 2 of our starters shouldn't be starters? I'll leave it up to others who those 2 would be.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: GoldenCrusader87 on February 22, 2020, 08:00:18 PM
Does it take a degree from Stanford to realize how odd it is to try and put Zion in for the first time with 1.9 seconds?
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on February 22, 2020, 08:08:49 PM
Quote from: VUSL98 on February 22, 2020, 07:32:22 PM
Just keep JFL, Krikke and Clay for next year, and I'll be happy.

Agreed!
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: oklahomamick on February 22, 2020, 08:15:49 PM
Crusaders giving the fans something to cheer about.  Looks like a good environment right now.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: valpotx on February 22, 2020, 08:20:39 PM
Don't jinx it
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: valpotx on February 22, 2020, 08:26:14 PM
Buck Fradley! :)
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: valpopal on February 22, 2020, 08:28:53 PM
Under 8 minutes and Valpo is 15-22 (68.2%) from three, better than the  8-12 (67%) from the free throw line!
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VALPO LI on February 22, 2020, 08:45:08 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 22, 2020, 08:15:49 PM
Crusaders giving the fans something to cheer about.  Looks like a good environment right now.
That was fun to watch :thumbsup:
It's a great night when I can keep the rolaids in the medicine cabinet  ;)
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: oklahomamick on February 22, 2020, 08:46:54 PM
Another great second half and great shooting from 3 point.  Back to .500.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: nkvu on February 22, 2020, 08:48:37 PM
Great second half. Shoot like that every game and this could be a pretty decent team.

Yes my secret identity is Captain Obvious.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: vu72 on February 22, 2020, 08:50:11 PM
Wait--WE SUCK--wait--LOITICH HAS TO GO--wait--MILEEK SUCKS--wait--WE CAN'T HIT THE BROADSIDE OF A BARN--wait---just wait...
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: truth219 on February 22, 2020, 08:50:33 PM
Great shooting performance

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Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: govalpogo on February 22, 2020, 08:51:02 PM
I think I yelled at my computer more tonight than other nights for the 1st 30 minutes. I was really afraid that they might squander this 3 point shooting performance when Bradley wasn't missing.  Defense woke up for long enough though.  Hey, great W against a hot team.  I'll look forward to rewatching at a later time when I can enjoy it more.  Glad to know the streaky shooting can get as hot as it does cold. 
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: oklahomamick on February 22, 2020, 08:51:09 PM
Is that the best win of the season?  I think that was the best team we have beaten. 

Have to say and give credit that we are much better team now than in November. 
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: vu72 on February 22, 2020, 08:51:35 PM
Quote from: GoldenCrusader87 on February 22, 2020, 08:00:18 PM
Does it take a degree from Stanford to realize how odd it is to try and put Zion in for the first time with 1.9 seconds?

What a truly silly post.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on February 22, 2020, 08:55:36 PM
Quote from: vu72 on February 22, 2020, 08:50:11 PM
Wait--WE SUCK--wait--LOITICH HAS TO GO--wait--MILEEK SUCKS--wait--WE CAN'T HIT THE BROADSIDE OF A BARN--wait---just wait...

I still believe Mileek should come off the bench.  He clearly deserves minutes but at this time it's my belief that Krikke is a more consistent option offensively/defensively.  My main reason for 6th man status of Mileek is that we are often times not effective in the half court offense to start games.  Krikke has more moves and moves off the ball better.

Our C and PG play rattle our offense to start games.  I'd like to see Krikke in the starting rotation to ease the pressure out the gate on Mileek.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: valpotx on February 22, 2020, 08:56:16 PM
That was fun.  It never felt like we were going to lose, even when down 13.  It has been a long time since Valpo has shot the 3 like we did tonight.  Now, let's finish up at 10-8 in conference, and avoid Thursday!
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: vu72 on February 22, 2020, 08:56:42 PM
Quote from: govalpogo on February 22, 2020, 08:51:02 PM
I think I yelled at my computer more tonight than other nights for the 1st 30 minutes. I was really afraid that they might squander this 3 point shooting performance when Bradley wasn't missing.  Defense woke up for long enough though.  Hey, great W against a hot team.  I'll look forward to rewatching at a later time when I can enjoy it more.  Glad to know the streaky shooting can get as hot as it does cold. 

Dude, get into the 20th century.  Either cast it to you old tv or spring for ESPN+ for $5 a month and watch it on your 60"!  ;) ;)
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VUSL98 on February 22, 2020, 08:57:24 PM
Glass half empty: first half lapses lead to large leads for opposing teams.  Lottich has to go.

Glass half full: this team has heart and overcomes large deficits.  Lottich is a great halftime motivator.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: GoVU on February 22, 2020, 09:03:42 PM
Fazekas is a phenomenal shooter. Are there any NCAA loopholes we can exploit to get him for another year? ;)

On the topic of hot shooting, what did we think of Mileek's 3-pointer early in the shot clock when the game was pretty much out of reach? I am all for feeding the hot hand but...
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: govalpogo on February 22, 2020, 09:04:58 PM
Quote from: vu72 on February 22, 2020, 08:56:42 PM
Quote from: govalpogo on February 22, 2020, 08:51:02 PM
I think I yelled at my computer more tonight than other nights for the 1st 30 minutes. I was really afraid that they might squander this 3 point shooting performance when Bradley wasn't missing.  Defense woke up for long enough though.  Hey, great W against a hot team.  I'll look forward to rewatching at a later time when I can enjoy it more.  Glad to know the streaky shooting can get as hot as it does cold. 

Dude, get into the 20th century.  Either cast it to you old tv or spring for ESPN+ for $5 a month and watch it on your 60"!  ;) ;)


I am not superstitious...but I am a littlestitious.  Valpo does infinitely better when they are not on my tv and are on the computer instead.  Also...sleeping baby so headphones (and "yelling" is more disgruntled noises and violently shaking the chromebook/throwing hands up in the air.) 
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: tiny707 on February 22, 2020, 09:06:25 PM
Hoping Evansville can take down Indiana State at home tomorrow and UNI can take down SIU in Iowa tomorrow!
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: oklahomamick on February 22, 2020, 09:06:40 PM
Agreed GoVu.  I was texting that to another Valpo fan. 
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: valpotx on February 22, 2020, 09:07:05 PM
This conference is very fun.  At this point, only 2 teams have a losing record in conference play.  That is incredible parity.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: vu72 on February 22, 2020, 09:07:07 PM
Quote from: govalpogo on February 22, 2020, 09:04:58 PM
Quote from: vu72 on February 22, 2020, 08:56:42 PM
Quote from: govalpogo on February 22, 2020, 08:51:02 PM
I think I yelled at my computer more tonight than other nights for the 1st 30 minutes. I was really afraid that they might squander this 3 point shooting performance when Bradley wasn't missing.  Defense woke up for long enough though.  Hey, great W against a hot team.  I'll look forward to rewatching at a later time when I can enjoy it more.  Glad to know the streaky shooting can get as hot as it does cold. 

Dude, get into the 20th century.  Either cast it to you old tv or spring for ESPN+ for $5 a month and watch it on your 60"!  ;) ;)


I am not superstitious...but I am a littlestitious.  Valpo does infinitely better when they are not on my tv and are on the computer instead.  Also...sleeping baby so headphones (and "yelling" is more disgruntled noises and violently shaking the chromebook/throwing hands up in the air.) 


:rotfl: :rotfl:
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: tiny707 on February 22, 2020, 09:08:05 PM
Can Ryan get a medical redshirt this year?
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: tiny707 on February 22, 2020, 09:10:44 PM
Most conference wins in MVC for Valpo with eight and two more games to play. Six wins first year and seven wins last year. Wardle won conference in his fourth year.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: oklahomamick on February 22, 2020, 09:11:08 PM
If Keith Carter didn't get one, Ryan doesn't have a chance.  But if there is one thing the NCAA is, its inconsistent. 
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: talksalot on February 22, 2020, 09:26:20 PM
just for posterity... we were 18-28 from the three-point line.  on Monday February 6, 1989 we beat Butler when we hit 19. 
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: jsher3141 on February 22, 2020, 09:29:03 PM
Not a fan of Lottich apologizing to Wardle for Mileek's last 3 around the 1:00 mark.

Bradley was pressing and playing defense to the end. No reason we should not be trying to score if they are still playing D and trying to score themselves. Maybe be mad that Leek didn't waste more time off the clock, but don't apologize to the other coach for making a basket. Bradley blew a 13 point lead. No reason not to beat them down as far as we can. This team needs all the in game experience they can get.

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Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: M on February 22, 2020, 09:50:50 PM
Last ten games - minutes/rebounds/points
Krikke- 16/1/5
11/1/3
5/2/0
24/8/17
7/1/0
16/2/6
23/7/15
14/4/5
15/4/4
18/5/9

Mileek- 20/5/12
26/3/16
10/3/1
10/2/5
15/2/3
16/3/14
15/5/9
26/3/6
30/6/20
22/4/16

I love Krikke's game. He's not ready to start and play against the opponents first team on a regular basis. I'm all for how it's being done and playing the hot hand more minutes in the second half.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on February 22, 2020, 09:54:56 PM
Quote from: M on February 22, 2020, 09:50:50 PM
Last ten games - minutes/rebounds/points
Krikke- 16/1/5
11/1/3
5/2/0
24/8/17
7/1/0
16/2/6
23/7/15
14/4/5
15/4/4
18/5/9

Mileek- 20/5/12
26/3/16
10/3/1
10/2/5
15/2/3
16/3/14
15/5/9
26/3/6
30/6/20
22/4/16

I love Krikke's game. He's not ready to start and play against the opponents first team on a regular basis. I'm all for how it's being done and playing the hot hand more minutes in the second half.

How do you feel about McMillan's turnovers and bad passes and forced shots / offensive fouls?  Are they needed to start games? 
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on February 22, 2020, 10:04:57 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 22, 2020, 09:54:56 PM
Quote from: M on February 22, 2020, 09:50:50 PM
Last ten games - minutes/rebounds/points
Krikke- 16/1/5
11/1/3
5/2/0
24/8/17
7/1/0
16/2/6
23/7/15
14/4/5
15/4/4
18/5/9

Mileek- 20/5/12
26/3/16
10/3/1
10/2/5
15/2/3
16/3/14
15/5/9
26/3/6
30/6/20
22/4/16

I love Krikke's game. He's not ready to start and play against the opponents first team on a regular basis. I'm all for how it's being done and playing the hot hand more minutes in the second half.

How do you feel about McMillan's turnovers and bad passes and forced shots / offensive fouls?  Are they needed to start games?

My point is Mileek "seems" to gain confidence as the game progresses and I think that's where most of your numbers are displaying his production.

I contend that we need to treat the first 10 minutes in the first half as if it's crunch time because our offensive possessions to start games are very fragile. Mileek seems to have more mistakes and thus he and Sackey need to come off the bench with energy.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VU2014 on February 22, 2020, 10:13:28 PM
One of the Region's best high school players was at the game tonight!

https://twitter.com/annettehuseman/status/1231431324805795840?s=21
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: M on February 22, 2020, 10:15:15 PM
He definitely shouldn't have put the ball on the ground early on tonight. He is still my starter. If we're trying to pin the blame on Mileek for slow starts (which wouldn't surprise me with some of our posters here) I think we aren't paying much attention. We've already got a freshman and a sophomore in the starting line up bring this freshman off the bench after he's had some time to see how the game is being played and called.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on February 22, 2020, 10:27:24 PM
Quote from: M on February 22, 2020, 10:15:15 PM
He definitely shouldn't have put the ball on the ground early on tonight. He is still my starter. If we're trying to pin the blame on Mileek for slow starts (which wouldn't surprise me with some of our posters here) I think we aren't paying much attention. We've already got a freshman and a sophomore in the starting line up bring this freshman off the bench after he's had some time to see how the game is being played and called.

Oh there's no way we can blame our slow starts on him alone, I just think that Krikke has more upside with less mental lapses now that he has progressed his freshman year.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: JD24 on February 23, 2020, 12:09:13 AM
Krikke shouldn't play over McMillan.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: valpotx on February 23, 2020, 01:59:51 AM
Quote from: valpotx on February 22, 2020, 06:56:45 PM
Guessing 3,200

What prize do I win for being 37 off? :)
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VUGrad1314 on February 23, 2020, 05:48:35 AM
Quote from: VU2014 on February 22, 2020, 10:13:28 PMOne of the Region's best high school players was at the game tonight! https://twitter.com/annettehuseman/status/1231431324805795840?s=21



Not a bad one for him to be a part of. Pretty good atmosphere and a game in which Valpo played pretty well and showed their potential late. That's a season high for us in scoring against D1 competition, and a school record for MVC wins, and a definitive clinching now of our best finish as an MVC member. We also picked up a huge result with Illinois State beating Drake and bringing us back level with them in terms of record. If Evansville is finally able to pick up a win after all of those close losses against the Sycamores, things get really interesting going into the final week. This game against Missouri State is by far the biggest game of the season. It's bigger than Drake. This is a game we absolutely need in order to get into the top six. We can also clinch our first .500 (or better) finish in the MVC! Go Valpo! I BELIEVE!
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VUGrad1314 on February 23, 2020, 05:51:03 AM
So how does this work? I had a bad stomach ache and a busy day and decided to rest instead of following the game. Do I start the next thread and then vanish again come game time? I want to be able to do my part to help us win this next game because it's so important! Go Valpo! I BELIEVE!  :)
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VUGrad1314 on February 23, 2020, 07:33:51 AM
Post game wrap up from Bradley (with a nice spot on how Valpo is adjusting to life in the Valley)

https://www.pjstar.com/sports/20200222/bradley-buried-under-avalanche-of-valpo-3-pointers-90-78?rssfeed=true&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=social

Stat of the night:

https://twitter.com/TSeghetti11/status/1230567607662764033

Breakdown heading into the final week:

https://twitter.com/WyattWheeler_NL/status/1231411419704328193
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: vu72 on February 23, 2020, 08:44:02 AM
Statistically, that has to be the best game of the year--from both teams.

http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/boxscore/2019-20/8263/bradley-vs-valpo-02-22-2020/#boxscore

Bradley has 14 assists and only 3 turnovers, shoots 42% from the 3, has only 12 fouls, scores 78 points and LOSES!!

Valpo has 24 assists, only 9 turnovers, shoots 64% from the 3, has only 8 fouls, scores 80 points and WINS!!

Wow!  What a fabulous game.  :clap: :clap: :thewave:
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VALPO LI on February 23, 2020, 09:02:51 AM
Pleasantly surprising stat is to see Gordon nailing all 4 3pt. attempts for 13pts off the bench in 14 min of play.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VUGrad1314 on February 23, 2020, 09:10:18 AM
That's two straight good games from Gordon by my count. I'd say he's earned more PT.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: 4throwfan on February 23, 2020, 10:14:09 AM
Just a few observations from the game.

1.  I don't think VU played particularly well.  Bradley's backdoor cuts and drive-and-dish plays were horrendously defended.  VU had very few drive-and-dish plays.
2.  If VU shoots 'only' 50% from three point line, they may have easily lost.  If they shoot a respectable 40% from three, then they would have lost.  That does not make me optimistic if VU plays Bradley on a neutral court for another game (i.e., in STL).
3.  Part of the reason that VU shot such a high percentage from 3 is that the shots were essentially uncontested.  Bradley chose not to defend that shot.  That equals a win for VU.
4.  My uneducated view was that defensive lapses were worst when Mileek played.  I think Krikke should start.
5.  Nick did not play.  I may have missed this somewhere else.  Why didn't he play?
6.  I think that Zion has to play against teams like Bradley.  His athleticism would have helped on both offense and defense (which I think regressed since previous games).
7.  Large game, and not half-time entertainment after dancers?  Really?
8.  If Fazekas and Kiser get replaced by two freshman like Clay and Krikke, and there are no transfers (don't count on it), next year will be REALLY fun.
9.  THAT WAS A FUN GAME!!
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: M on February 23, 2020, 10:32:02 AM
1. VU didn't play well defensively and didn't rebound in the defensive end.
2. If VU shoots 50% (14/28) they win by 8 (assuming all else stays the same). If they shoot 40% 11/28 they win by 5.
3. Quite a few of those 3s had a hand in the face, the hoop must've looked like a hula hoop.
4. Krikke isn't moving into the starting line up this year. Mostly because he shouldn't.
5. I think it's a back issue maybe.
6. Zion would strength the defense but I wonder if it's worth it with his offensive struggles. Maybe a offense/defense substitution from time to time.
7. It was hall of Fame night.
8. Agree!
9. Agree!!
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on February 23, 2020, 10:36:46 AM
Quote from: 4throwfan on February 23, 2020, 10:14:09 AM
Just a few observations from the game.

1.  I don't think VU played particularly well.  Bradley's backdoor cuts and drive-and-dish plays were horrendously defended.  VU had very few drive-and-dish plays.
2.  If VU shoots 'only' 50% from three point line, they may have easily lost.  If they shoot a respectable 40% from three, then they would have lost.  That does not make me optimistic if VU plays Bradley on a neutral court for another game (i.e., in STL).
3.  Part of the reason that VU shot such a high percentage from 3 is that the shots were essentially uncontested.  Bradley chose not to defend that shot.  That equals a win for VU.
4.  My uneducated view was that defensive lapses were worst when Mileek played.  I think Krikke should start.
5.  Nick did not play.  I may have missed this somewhere else.  Why didn't he play?
6.  I think that Zion has to play against teams like Bradley.  His athleticism would have helped on both offense and defense (which I think regressed since previous games).
7.  Large game, and not half-time entertainment after dancers?  Really?
8.  If Fazekas and Kiser get replaced by two freshman like Clay and Krikke, and there are no transfers (don't count on it), next year will be REALLY fun.
9.  THAT WAS A FUN GAME!!

Agreed big time on the 3-pt shooting covering up defensive lapses (back door cuts etc).  I did feel that we guarded the dribble-drive better in this game.  I don't think it can be understated that Darrel Brown and Elijah Childs have the ability to get to the rim better than most of the players in the MVC.  They are crafty players, and other than Brown hitting a high % to start the game, they were mostly well defended.

I was just thankful that we didn't repeatedly see Brown dribble-drive past ______ and have Mileek or Krikke forced to leave their man, only to see a solid assist and layup by Bradley.

I like Mileek for his stretch 4 capabilities.  But I think his mental lapses on defending and passing / TO makes it such that we need to start Krikke and sub in Mileek.  From there we ought to play the hot hand . . . but our starters should be the best all around players.  I think of it like a relay race . . . some relay teams stagger their strengths and I think we need to stagger Mileek to see if he can best match up against their 6th man too.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on February 23, 2020, 10:45:43 AM
Quote from: M on February 23, 2020, 10:32:02 AM
1. VU didn't play well defensively and didn't rebound in the defensive end.
2. If VU shoots 50% (14/28) they win by 8 (assuming all else stays the same). If they shoot 40% 11/28 they win by 5.
3. Quite a few of those 3s had a hand in the face, the hoop must've looked like a hula hoop.
4. Krikke isn't moving into the starting line up this year. Mostly because he shouldn't.
5. I think it's a back issue maybe.
6. Zion would strength the defense but I wonder if it's worth it with his offensive struggles. Maybe a offense/defense substitution from time to time.
7. It was hall of Fame night.
8. Agree!
9. Agree!!

I agree with both of your thoughts regarding the shooting percentage from deep, but one is taking it from the perspective of "in a vacuum" and the other one is taking it from the respective of a game of runs.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: Valpo89 on February 23, 2020, 10:49:33 AM
I sat at the top of the section behind the Bradley bench, near all of the Bradley fans.
They were jerks. They were really rubbing it in with the big early lead, particularly one jag in about the fourth row.
So glad Valpo came back, shot lights out and sent the idiots back to Peoria.
Wardle is 1-9 at the ARC. Couldn't happen to a "nicer" guy. He's a jerk and so are his fans.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: justducky on February 23, 2020, 11:42:53 AM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 23, 2020, 10:36:46 AMI like Mileek for his stretch 4 capabilities.  But I think his mental lapses on defending and passing / TO makes it such that we need to start Krikke and sub in Mileek.  From there we ought to play the hot hand .

I somewhat agree but lets hold that thought until next season. Why upset the apple cart with only 2 games left on the schedule? Maybe by then we will see both playing varied roles as centers, power forwards, and stretch forwards. Very likely there will be some games where both are starting. Their versatilities will eventually make the 2020/2021 squad that much more dangerous.  :thumbsup:

Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 23, 2020, 09:10:18 AMThat's two straight good games from Gordon by my count. I'd say he's earned more PT.

His main opportunity for more time is at the 1 and 2 with his ball handling skills being the biggest roadblock. With Nick hamstrung with back pain and Daniel still learning to play within his limits Eron could catch or pass them quickly. What will he show us vs MSU?
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: valpotx on February 23, 2020, 01:24:34 PM
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 23, 2020, 10:49:33 AM
I sat at the top of the section behind the Bradley bench, near all of the Bradley fans.
They were jerks. They were really rubbing it in with the big early lead, particularly one jag in about the fourth row.
So glad Valpo came back, shot lights out and sent the idiots back to Peoria.
Wardle is 1-9 at the ARC. Couldn't happen to a "nicer" guy. He's a jerk and so are his fans.


I was thinking the same thing while watching video.  It seemed like their fans were really rubbing it in each time they scored or Valpo did something negative.  That was the impetus for my Buck Fradley comment
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: oklahomamick on February 23, 2020, 03:15:13 PM
I probably disliked Detroit the most from the HL, until they just started becoming irrelevant.  I disliked Wardle the most out of all the coaches.  I really disliked Oakland once they joined but at the same time kind of like Kampe.

I would probably have to say that I dislike Bradley the most out of the MVC.   
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VUGrad1314 on February 23, 2020, 03:51:58 PM
Quote from: oklahomamick on February 23, 2020, 03:15:13 PMI probably disliked Detroit the most from the HL, until they just started becoming irrelevant.  I disliked Wardle the most out of all the coaches.  I really disliked Oakland once they joined but at the same time kind of like Kampe. I would probably have to say that I dislike Bradley the most out of the MVC.



I can honestly say that I disliked the entire HL after the 2016 tournament snub and that I like the entire MVC for the quality of competition that it brings to us late season! Once we establish ourselves with all of the private schools and schools in such close proximity all of whom are committed to success on the court there is extremely fertile ground for intense long-standing rivalries. I love this league and I'm glad we're here.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: oklahomamick on February 23, 2020, 05:53:56 PM
A lot don't care about this but I like being with higher academic schools. 
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VUGrad1314 on February 23, 2020, 06:25:06 PM
MVC schools tend to be rated higher than HL schools right?
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VUBBFan on February 23, 2020, 09:08:33 PM

Quote from: oklahomamick on February 23, 2020, 03:15:13 PMI probably disliked Detroit the most from the HL, until they just started becoming irrelevant.  I disliked Wardle the most out of all the coaches.  I really disliked Oakland once they joined but at the same time kind of like Kampe. I would probably have to say that I dislike Bradley the most out of the MVC.
I would say Loyola student fans. They swore were rude and obnoxious to our fan and student sections, when they came here last year. Even physically intimidated (little jabs and pushes of) the girl that would dress up as the V-Rex. I was told they spent a lot of the game throwing insults at our student section. Although I don't know if our students were also engaged in doing it back.
Also when I attended our games in Chicago, the student fans seemed to me to be somewhat conceited and did off colored cheers/jeers. Of course I'll admit to being somewhat biased.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: 4throwfan on February 24, 2020, 02:19:35 PM
Quote from: M on February 23, 2020, 10:32:02 AM
1. VU didn't play well defensively and didn't rebound in the defensive end.
2. If VU shoots 50% (14/28) they win by 8 (assuming all else stays the same). If they shoot 40% 11/28 they win by 5.
3. Quite a few of those 3s had a hand in the face, the hoop must've looked like a hula hoop.
4. Krikke isn't moving into the starting line up this year. Mostly because he shouldn't.
5. I think it's a back issue maybe.
6. Zion would strength the defense but I wonder if it's worth it with his offensive struggles. Maybe a offense/defense substitution from time to time.
7. It was hall of Fame night.
8. Agree!
9. Agree!!

2.  M, not sure that I'm following.  If VU shoots 50% from 3, then they score 12 fewer points.  All else being equal, that puts game in OT at 78-78.  If VU hits 11 3's, and again all else being equal, then VU scores 21 fewer points, which means a 78-69 loss.  In any event, my original point was that anomalous shooting covered up some warts.  I think we agree on that.
4.  Reasonable minds can differ.  But, seems that coaches agree with you.
5.  Thanks
6.  Agreed.
7.  Thanks, I stand corrected.  No disrespect to our new hall of famers. 
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: M on February 24, 2020, 07:19:04 PM
I was going off they turned them into 2s...I don't know why (dum dum moment).
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: bbtds on February 25, 2020, 03:18:49 AM
Quote from: valpotx on February 22, 2020, 07:25:55 PM
Mileek doesn't seem to understand that you can't dribble into your guy, without expecting that the help-side defender will try to sag off his guy, for an easy steal.  He does that over and over, and it is extremely annoying.

Mileek simply does not have a high basketball IQ. He gets the ball sometimes and thinks he can bull rush right over people and doesn't understand how a foul is called. Same on defense but there are games where he simply is not called for all the fouls he commits when the refs let many of the fouls go uncalled.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VUGrad1314 on February 25, 2020, 03:50:11 AM
I hope Mileek continues his improved play finishes the season strong and then has a huge senior year and more than makes up for all the crap that has been shoveled his way by the fanbase. I believe that he can do it. Go Mileek!
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on February 25, 2020, 05:13:48 AM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 25, 2020, 03:50:11 AM
I hope Mileek continues his improved play finishes the season strong and then has a huge senior year and more than makes up for all the crap that has been shoveled his way by the fanbase. I believe that he can do it. Go Mileek!

It's only crap if it's unfounded.  I don't regret my evaluations of him to date.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: valpo64 on February 25, 2020, 02:33:38 PM
Don't worry...if anything negative can be found or perceived regarding anything to do with the VU men's b-ball program,  some member of this board will let it be known.  It seems that, to some,  the negative appears to outweigh anything positive regarding players, coaches, athletic administration or University administration.  But, we all have a right to comment and promote our individual opinions.  However in some cases, the negativity being expressed in getting old. I guess it goes with the territory.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: justducky on February 25, 2020, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 25, 2020, 05:13:48 AM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 25, 2020, 03:50:11 AM
I hope Mileek continues his improved play finishes the season strong and then has a huge senior year and more than makes up for all the crap that has been shoveled his way by the fanbase. I believe that he can do it. Go Mileek!

It's only crap if it's unfounded.  I don't regret my evaluations of him to date.

Mileek has been great at falling short of expectations! His 91 fouls in 502 minutes really stands out. I wish I had the breakdown for his offensive vs defensive fouls because I'm pretty certain it is lopsided toward his poor ball control issues (charges and strips). He is also a former HS guard-forward with Smirolla-like true center assist to TO numbers 28-52. Clay who is just as tall and 2 years greener sits in contrast with 40-34. :o

BUT!  McMillan has now raised his 3 point % to .393 by hitting 35 of 89.  :thumbsup: With 1+ years remaining I'm thinking Matt's investment and patience is going to be paying off. Watching him is starting to be fun despite all the blunders.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on February 25, 2020, 03:59:51 PM
Quote from: justducky on February 25, 2020, 03:36:50 PM
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on February 25, 2020, 05:13:48 AM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 25, 2020, 03:50:11 AM
I hope Mileek continues his improved play finishes the season strong and then has a huge senior year and more than makes up for all the crap that has been shoveled his way by the fanbase. I believe that he can do it. Go Mileek!

It's only crap if it's unfounded.  I don't regret my evaluations of him to date.

Mileek has been great at falling short of expectations! His 91 fouls in 502 minutes really stands out. I wish I had the breakdown for his offensive vs defensive fouls because I'm pretty certain it is lopsided toward his poor ball control issues (charges and strips). He is also a former HS guard-forward with Smirolla-like true center assist to TO numbers 28-52. Clay who is just as tall and 2 years greener sits in contrast with 40-34. :o

BUT!  McMillan has now raised his 3 point % to .393 by hitting 35 of 89.  :thumbsup: With 1+ years remaining I'm thinking Matt's investment and patience is going to be paying off. Watching him is starting to be fun despite all the blunders.

Well put, thanks for sharing the comparison numbers and optimism.  He took over for Smits in my category of "most frustrating" this year but maybe he redeems himself in time!
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VUGrad1314 on February 25, 2020, 05:22:08 PM
There's a fundamental difference: Mileek is frustrating but tries and is hardworking. Smits was frustrating lazy and whiny. That makes Mileek easy to root for where Smits was not.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VUGrad1314 on February 25, 2020, 06:06:31 PM
I wasn't there to see Did the University do anything at the Bradley game to acknowledge Javon's accomplishment breaking the single season steals record? I sure hope so.
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: valpo64 on February 25, 2020, 06:30:12 PM
Yes they did. pre-game well done and acknowledged
Title: Re: Valpo Hosts Bradley Game Thread Sat Feb 22 7PM ESPN+
Post by: VUGrad1314 on February 25, 2020, 11:48:58 PM
Lottich's Postgame thoughts against Bradley in case anyone's still interested (I think somebody asked about this earlier and I just found it on ValpoAthletics' YouTube)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65BhQGzEOs0