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Title: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: vok22 on January 23, 2021, 05:31:29 PM
I guess I'll start the thread. Don't want to jinx it but it looks like we might have a few positive things to talk about for the first time in a few weeks.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: Valpofamfan on January 23, 2021, 05:34:12 PM
Yeah we are ahead after a quarter of a game! But the 2 redbird bigs are quite effective at stopping our drives to the rim so if we go cold from 3 we're doomed. Good to see our freshmen stepping up and people diving around the floor! Great effort from the team so far
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: NativeCheesehead on January 23, 2021, 05:53:56 PM
Live by the three, die by the three. Tonight we live.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: Valpofamfan on January 23, 2021, 06:31:44 PM
We may yet die by the 3
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: oklahomamick on January 23, 2021, 06:55:27 PM
Man this place is dead......

Good shooting leads us to our 1st MVC win this season.  We will see them tomorrow same time same place. 
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: tjjvalpo on January 23, 2021, 06:57:31 PM
Nothing like an embarrassing loss to get them to come to play tonight. There was much more life in the team than the other night.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: VALPO LI on January 23, 2021, 06:58:49 PM
VALPO WINS!!!!!
VALPO WINS!!!!!
Glad we got that off our chest :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: nkvu on January 23, 2021, 07:03:11 PM
That was nice. Team played well. Was a bit nervous when Sackey had delusions of height when he tried to jack up a three over a defender there toward the end and got it swatted back in his face. He needs to be reminded that the only thing he can shoot over is the floor varnish. Still, a well played game & the team had an answer for every time Ill State made a run. Hope we can build on this & take the second game tomorrow.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: wh on January 23, 2021, 07:07:37 PM
It's only 1 game, but I'm highly encouraged. The guys did a lot of things well at both ends as a team. A really good job of getting Donovan the ball in a position to score. If Ben has a better offensive game tomorrow, we could pull off the back-to-back, which would be a huge confidence builder.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: justducky on January 23, 2021, 07:08:05 PM
As a recovering men's basketball addict I will confess to you that I backslid and actually watched part of this game.  :'(  Hope that doesn't mean that I will become a slave to this program again.

What is it again when you score more points than the other team? Wen? Wan? Wim? I know it is something like that. Anyway we just did it.  :o
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: VU2014 on January 23, 2021, 07:12:51 PM
Honestly couldn't blame him given the way we were playing.

https://twitter.com/yinzerstillinoh/status/1353038350186373128?s=21
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: VU2014 on January 23, 2021, 07:14:58 PM
Very good team win today. The ball movement was night and day better, compared to the last few games!

They played together and made the extra passes today. Words can not describe how comforting it was to see that ball movement today.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: vu72 on January 23, 2021, 07:21:28 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 23, 2021, 05:53:56 PM
Live by the three, die by the three. Tonight we live.

We had 27 of 69 points from the 3.  They had 21 points from the 3.  I would call that good balance with Clay getting the points in the paint.  If he and Krikke can develop consistent shooting from the 3 then everything will be coming up roses!  Not so much now.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: vok22 on January 23, 2021, 07:24:56 PM
Quote from: vu72 on January 23, 2021, 07:21:28 PM
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on January 23, 2021, 05:53:56 PM
Live by the three, die by the three. Tonight we live.

We had 27 of 69 points from the 3.  They had 21 points from the 3.  I would call that good balance with Clay getting the points in the paint.  If he and Krikke can develop consistent shooting from the 3 then everything will be coming up roses!  Not so much now.


We also only shot 31% from three tonight, so it's not like we won because we shot lights out...
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: wh on January 23, 2021, 07:30:10 PM
Something else encouraging. It looks like Matt has finally settled on a starting lineup (better late than never) and cutting down the rotation to something more workable. 4 of today's starter's played more than 30 minutes and only 2 backups played more than 10 minutes.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: IndyEIT777 on January 23, 2021, 07:46:37 PM
I'll start with the positives. Donovan was terrific tonight. It's a little frustrating that he hasn't played this well since Toledo, but maybe now he'll get into a groove after a few games have been played since the Covid stoppage. I really like what Conner Barret has done this season. He seems to have a very strong basketball IQ for a freshman and makes the hustle plays. Also I acknowledge I have been particularly hard on the Junior/Senior classes, but I'll grant Eron Gordon that he is trying out there and does seem to want to play so props to him.

That said, we beat probably the weakest team in the league tonight. If we can sweep them tomorrow, I'll try to be a little more positive, but right now, I won't hold my breath. Sackey looks like he continues to regress every game. Mileek continues to make me frustrated every time he takes the floor, and what is he doing trash talking and getting a technical foul for??? We have no room to be trash talking as a last place team. And finally, he responded the next day after I was critical of him last week, but only 4 minutes and 0 points from Ognocovic tonight... I know he's a freshman and he's going to have on and off nights, but he definitely looks like he continues to struggle. I'm hopeful he can improve, but I have not been particularly encouraged by his play. I apologize if my remarks are a little harsh after a win, but one win against a bottom tier conference team isn't raising my optimism for this team...at least not yet.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: sliman on January 23, 2021, 10:44:05 PM
As someone pointed out after the Loyola mess, we have not been moving without the ball.  Tonight that was much better and Clay got several shots under the basket when he kept moving and someone (often Sackey) found him.  Loved the movement most of the game.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: valpotx on January 24, 2021, 01:32:08 AM
Nice to be out and about, while following the stats on my cell, not having the stomach to watch this one live after the last game.  Just finished watching the replay, and glad to see the energy from the guys, and encouraging each other on just about every play.  PO even brought this up in the last post-game interviews, mentioning that the energy just wasn't there from the bench.  I think that sunk in with Lottich, as other teams create that energy from the bench, without any fans in attendance.  Let's hope for a sweep tomorrow, and I may just watch again...
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: wh on January 24, 2021, 06:26:47 AM
Watch now: Valparaiso leads all the way as Illinois State can't follow up big win against Bradley
Jim Benson  9 hrs ago

"Right now the locker room is silent. We're in kill mode," said Fleming of the Redbirds' mindset for Sunday's game. "We expect to come out and play 110% better than we did today."

https://www.pantagraph.com/sports/college/illinois-state/watch-now-valparaiso-leads-all-the-way-as-illinois-state-cant-follow-up-big-win/article_e7bac3a4-6be4-525f-89fc-9fe8630968f2.html

Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: Valpofamfan on January 24, 2021, 07:06:31 AM
I think a reason JO isn't scoring much is he's being asked to play inside and post up but he doesn't have the muscle yet to do that well against MVC bigs. His best scoring threat at the moment is from 3 but when Krikke gets in foul trouble he's going to have to be used inside.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: oklahomamick on January 24, 2021, 07:27:04 AM
We have illinois state's number.  I think we have won 5 of the last 6 against them.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: vu72 on January 24, 2021, 08:20:32 AM
Quote from: oklahomamick on January 24, 2021, 07:27:04 AM
We have illinois state's number.  I think we have won 5 of the last 6 against them.

True, but, will it continue?  They have their entire team returning including two guys 6'10" and a couple of 6'9" guys.  Obviously we had trouble stopping those guys. We lose Mileek and don't have anybody considered a "big" coming in?  We are truly playing small ball with a bunch of guys who are shooting the three, as a team, at 27.6%.  That won't get it done.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: RS on January 24, 2021, 04:42:49 PM
According Paul Oren, Zion Morgan is suited up for game today.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: SanityLost17 on January 24, 2021, 05:46:06 PM
Anybody else think all the uncertainty surrounding Nick Robinson played a part in our "lack of effort" for about a month there?   

Now that that situation has resolved itself all of the sudden we are playing hard again.   

Maybe Illinois State comes back and wins this one, but it is clear the team is playing harder.   They did not play hard against Loyola and Depaul.   
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: oklahomamick on January 24, 2021, 06:39:04 PM
We own Illinois St. 
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: VU75 on January 24, 2021, 06:45:49 PM
Looks like Krikke, Sacky, Clay and Gordon will all play over 35 minutes.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: VALPO LI on January 24, 2021, 06:54:19 PM
Valpo swept the Birds!!!! :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: AlaskaCrusader19 on January 24, 2021, 06:55:54 PM
It wasn't pretty, but I'm glad to see the team get two wins. I wasn't able to watch on Saturday, but I'm hoping that this can be a good starting point for making some improvement and building for next season.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: nkvu on January 24, 2021, 07:03:53 PM
Thought for moment there that they were gonna give this one away, but give them credit. They found a way to pull out a close game. Now they know it can be done. Nice game from Krikke, and Sackey actually hit a three!
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: valpo64 on January 24, 2021, 07:13:07 PM
Under alot of pressure after the Loyola disaster, give Coach Lottich, staff and players alot of credit for this 2 game sweep on the road.  They re-grouped and got the job done.  It doesn't matter who is playing, but it is very difficult to sweep 2 back-to-back games on consecutive days, on the road.  Let's keep it going!
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: justducky on January 24, 2021, 07:26:59 PM
vok22 sure does know how to open a  Series Thread!

The team performed pretty well also!

So Nick opts out and suddenly Zion suits up and plays and Emil is also in uniform. Some kind of message here?
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: valpotx on January 24, 2021, 08:52:29 PM
Congrats to the team on bouncing back with 2 solid wins on the road.  Regardless of ISUr probably being a bottom 3 team, we need to beat those teams, in order to finish in an ideal situation for us this season, which is probably middle-of-the-pack (5th-6th).  We already played 2 of the top 3 teams, so if we can compete against everyone else, it still may be a salvageable season, regardless of the naysayers and #FireLottich crowd on here ;)
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: RS on January 24, 2021, 09:22:33 PM
Krikke was dominant today and our 2 canadians totaled 41 points. Definitely a big step forward.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: oklahomamick on January 24, 2021, 10:39:11 PM
I knew we were going to win when Sackey hit his second three of the year.  He was shooting 5% from 3 this year.

This is our first D1 win streak for the year.  Onwards and Upwards!
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: VU2014 on January 25, 2021, 07:20:29 AM
https://twitter.com/valpo_hoops/status/1353592993358499840?s=21
https://twitter.com/valpoathletics/status/1353569124576882688?s=21
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: SanityLost17 on January 25, 2021, 07:22:37 AM
1.  It is all about the effort.  I don't care if we lose as long as we play hard. 

2.  We are still gonna lose a lot of games because not only are we gonna play a lot of back to back games but we also have makeup games from COVID.   All with a short bench when it comes to talent/experience.   

I don't know how we can finish 6th without McMillan playing like he did at the end of last year because we need that depth. 
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: vu72 on January 25, 2021, 08:09:09 AM
Quote from: RS on January 24, 2021, 04:42:49 PM
According Paul Oren, Zion Morgan is suited up for game today.

Not only Zion but also Emil.  I think we are down to just Siggie being not available.  Good to see Zion play.  He isn't much of a scorer but he is a lock down defender.

Very good win and great game for Ben.  It is interesting in that we don't often see both Donovan and Ben have good game together.  Perhaps the opponent has to "pick your poison"  which is very good for us.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: nkvu on January 25, 2021, 09:05:45 AM
Need to also credit Helm who came in stone cold and knocked down two clutch free throws. Looks like he is going to be our weapon when we have a lead and the other team has to foul. That was a nice inbounds play to get him the ball so they had to foul the right guy. Well done.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: wh on January 25, 2021, 11:36:20 AM
7 straight W's over ILSU. Now, if we can only figure out the other 8 teams, we'll have it made in this league.  ;)
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: valpopal on January 25, 2021, 11:40:07 AM
Quote from: nkvu on January 25, 2021, 09:05:45 AM
Need to also credit Helm who came in stone cold and knocked down two clutch free throws. Looks like he is going to be our weapon when we have a lead and the other team has to foul. That was a nice inbounds play to get him the ball so they had to foul the right guy. Well done.


It is great to see him use the Virgil Sweet "Valpo Method" of shooting free throws learned locally. I have said for years in the past that style should be required of any VU player who doesn't shoot a decent percentage at the foul line.
Title: Re: Valpo at Illinois State on ESPN+ Series Thread
Post by: vuny98 on January 25, 2021, 11:47:16 AM
In 5 conference games thus far this year we have scored: 68, 68, 69, 70.... and 39. Take that Loyola game out as an outlier and we've put up decent offensive numbers all things considered. Averaging ~69 pts a game should put us in a position to win (or at least be competitive) in most games.