The Valparaiso Beacons Fan Zone Forum

Valpo Sports => Valpo Basketball => Topic started by: humbleopinion on February 21, 2021, 08:04:23 AM

Title: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: humbleopinion on February 21, 2021, 08:04:23 AM
If Sackey returns will he be coming off the bench?

Will JO find more playing time?

Was the Goodnews performance in the last outing an aberration, or is he coming into his own?

Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: vuny98 on February 21, 2021, 08:53:08 AM
Quote from: humbleopinion on February 21, 2021, 08:04:23 AMIf Sackey returns will he be coming off the bench? Will JO find more playing time? Was the Goodnews performance in the last outing an aberration, or is he coming into his own?
Please say Sackey is coming off the bench. I've said it a thousand times, he provides a great spark and does some things really well, but he can not be our starting point guard.
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: valpo64 on February 21, 2021, 12:06:09 PM
AMEN! vuny98
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: oklahomamick on February 21, 2021, 01:50:10 PM
agreed vunny98
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: oklahomamick on February 21, 2021, 04:38:01 PM
Refs are bad today
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: M on February 21, 2021, 04:39:52 PM
Might want to defend that 3 point line a little better in the second half.
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: valpotx on February 21, 2021, 04:52:26 PM
No real negatives, other than SIU hit their open shots.  Can they keep it up in the second half?  Hopefully not...
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: wh on February 21, 2021, 04:53:01 PM
We played a good 1st half at both ends IMO. IF SIU comes back down to earth from their 8-16 3-pt. shooting display, I'm seeing a 6-8 point Valpo victory.
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: IndyEIT777 on February 21, 2021, 05:04:57 PM
Quote from: wh on February 21, 2021, 04:53:01 PM
We played a good 1st half at both ends IMO. IF SIU comes back down to earth from their 8-16 3-pt. shooting display, I'm seeing a 6-8 point Valpo victory.

I don't think we played that well defensively. We gave them a couple of tough shots, but most of their 3s have been wide open. We're also not getting in the pass lanes like we have in the last couple games and getting takeaways.
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: valpotx on February 21, 2021, 05:07:54 PM
Our team is absolutely moronic when it comes to defending 3 point shooting and not fouling.  Two in the same game??  Let him take that off-balance/last second shot, and just stay straight up.  Holy crap...
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: vu84v2 on February 21, 2021, 05:12:24 PM
It is pretty rare that, five minutes into the second half, the combined assist-to-turnover ratio is 22 to 8.
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: bbtds on February 21, 2021, 05:17:05 PM
Sorry guys, we aren't doing enough to win this game. It could possibly come down to the last few possessions but the Crusaders Valpo MBB team will not win this game.

Unless of course Krikke Clay & the Sheboygan Sharpshooter can keep teaming up inside.
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: valpotx on February 21, 2021, 05:19:38 PM
It looks like Clay has found some space again, which is nice to see
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: vu84v2 on February 21, 2021, 05:33:15 PM
Solid PG play + Clay's energy + Ognacevic at the 4 = A promising team
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: valpotx on February 21, 2021, 05:36:46 PM
3 crappy sets in the last minute...
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: vu84v2 on February 21, 2021, 05:37:39 PM
Quote from: valpotx on February 21, 2021, 05:36:46 PM
3 crappy sets in the last minute...

Had the exact same thought. Move without the ball.
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: vu84v2 on February 21, 2021, 05:38:53 PM
Great block by Clay!
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: valpotx on February 21, 2021, 05:41:27 PM
That was a really bad play call by Lottich.  I am usually on his side, but it seemed like a play that really only had 1 option with Krikke underneath
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: valpotx on February 21, 2021, 05:44:43 PM
Wow, we got extremely lucky in those last 2 minutes.  Key win, so no complaints on my side
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: vu84v2 on February 21, 2021, 05:44:59 PM
Yeah!!!  Terrible offense down the stretch, but great defensive stops!
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: bbtds on February 21, 2021, 05:45:07 PM
Quote from: bbtds on February 21, 2021, 05:17:05 PM
Sorry guys, we aren't doing enough to win this game. It could possibly come down to the last few possessions but the Crusaders Valpo MBB team will not win this game.

Unless of course Krikke Clay & the Sheboygan Sharpshooter can keep teaming up inside.

I'll take full credit for this one.  ;)
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: hailcrusaders on February 21, 2021, 05:46:25 PM
Escaped! Man, I thought for sure we were going to lose that one. Hard to believe this team just might avoid a Thursday game after all!
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: AlaskaCrusader19 on February 21, 2021, 05:47:06 PM
Good win for our team, but I do feel a bit lucky. That last offensive possession was absolutely terrible, and SIU got a pretty strong look at the end. We'll take it, but I have a feeling a split is coming tomorrow.
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: nkvu on February 21, 2021, 05:48:39 PM
Pulled that one out. Thought we were gonna blow it by not getting a good shot on several possessions at the end there. Nice to see Clay hit some shots. Maybe he is getting his confidence back. Ognacevic just keeps improving. Nice win.
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: M on February 21, 2021, 05:50:16 PM
Gotta win ugly to avoid Thursday!
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: vu72 on February 21, 2021, 05:52:19 PM
Great defensive adjustments in the second half.  Gutsy win and great effor that might just keep us out of Thursday.  A win tomorrow would do it.  I doubt anybody is going to want to play us in the tourney.  And JO?  What a game!
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: IndyEIT777 on February 21, 2021, 05:54:24 PM
JO needs to be starting over Mileek from now on...Period! He looks so much more calm and collected on offense and he alters several shots on defense without fouling.
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: valpotx on February 21, 2021, 05:54:47 PM
Quote from: AlaskaCrusader19 on February 21, 2021, 05:47:06 PM
Good win for our team, but I do feel a bit lucky. That last offensive possession was absolutely terrible, and SIU got a pretty strong look at the end. We'll take it, but I have a feeling a split is coming tomorrow.

I actually think that SIU will be disheartened after this one, as this was one of their better performances since Domansk went out.  I believe we win by 10+ tomorrow.
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: tjjvalpo on February 21, 2021, 05:55:15 PM
Escaped is right! Great defense down the stretch. It was missing a good part of the game though. I think we can play better than today. I think SIU gave us there best shot and we will win tomorrow, as well.
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: valpopal on February 21, 2021, 06:02:22 PM
Difference in the game: better play on the boards led to a 12-5 advantage in offensive rebounds and a 15-3 edge in second-chance points
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: justducky on February 21, 2021, 06:14:40 PM
Quote from: valpotx on February 21, 2021, 05:44:43 PMwe got extremely lucky in those last 2 minutes

Without their star (Damask???) we should beat that team 70% of the time. Very fortunate to get a win today and I hope for a better showing tomorrow.

JO got badly out muscled around the basket. I don't want to see him bulked up much but even 8 or 10 lbs  might be a big help for his defense.
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: valpo64 on February 21, 2021, 06:22:23 PM
Why is it that coaches fall in love with the theory that you hold the ball until 9 or 10 seconds remain on the shot clock then only end up with a lousy forced shot from the outside or from somewhere else on the floor, or maybe even a shot clock violation?  And so many coaches use that approach.

Best thing that has happened to us lately is that Sackey is not getting minutes.  Great win on the road today. Pretty well played except when SIU hit that streak of threes in the first half.  Love to see the youngsters continue to improve, especially Jacob.  We still always need to remember that this is a young team and they will have their ups and downs but they are sure fun to watch when clicking on all cylinders.  Let's get another road win tomorrow.  GO CRUSADERS!  (sorry)             GO VALPO!
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: wh on February 21, 2021, 06:34:27 PM
Today's win combined with Drake's 85-7- win over Evansville's blowout moves us into a tie for 5th place. A win tomorrow and Evansville loss with put us alone in 5th with 2 games to play. Tomorrow is huge. Eville will be big underdogs against Drake.
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: wh on February 21, 2021, 06:47:05 PM
Quote from: justducky on February 21, 2021, 06:14:40 PM
JO got badly out muscled around the basket. I don't want to see him bulked up much but even 8 or 10 lbs  might be a big help for his defense.

We killed them on the offensive boards, so I assume you're referring to how easily his man scored on him underneath. Which I would agree. Ben seemed to have the same problem. Both guys let their man get way too deep in the post. In fact, they missed probably 3 bunnies the shouldn't have. I'm not certain, but Mileek and Donovan may have been backed down a couple of times themselves. One thing that made it tougher is that when we doubled down on their bigs they kept making us pay with open 3's.


Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: AB on February 21, 2021, 06:52:24 PM
Team was not locked in on D in the first half. Both teams looked exhausted last 4 minutes. A win is a win. Loyola game could have gone the other way, so could have this one. Interesting to see how the team responds Monday night. 2nd game at Aces and NIU wasn't a good response.
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: may know on February 21, 2021, 07:39:02 PM
Critical win. Chances shot up to 78% of avoiding Thursday.

https://twitter.com/mjhackman/status/1363651096326070275
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: VUGrad1314 on February 21, 2021, 07:51:32 PM
Gotta have this one tomorrow. We keep winning we avoid Thursday. It's really that simple. Everyone from Loyola and Drake down to us and those we are fighting for position like Evansville and Bradley: our task is in front of us, Just keep winning. The goals may be different for the top two (playing for tournament bids rather than simply avoiding Thursday) but the object is the same. Keep winning to accomplish the goal. I'd consider not being a Thursday team during this hectic COVID plagued season a step forward for this program even if the record won't necessarily reflect that. And hopefully if we can do that it will be a rallying cry for the players on this team to want to come back and build on it next year. Go Valpo! 
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: justducky on February 21, 2021, 09:27:26 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on February 21, 2021, 07:51:32 PMI'd consider not being a Thursday team during this hectic COVID plagued season a step forward for this program even if the record won't necessarily reflect that. And hopefully if we can do that it will be a rallying cry for the players on this team to want to come back and build on it next year. Go Valpo! 

Avoiding Thursday may mean a 3-6 match against MSU and I would in general rather play ISUb in the 4-5. Problem with that is it would require 3 straight games against Indiana St!  :crazy: Talk about a coaching chess match!  After watching Valpo vs ISUb followed by Valpo vs ISUb resulting in Valpo vs ISUb we might know the Sycamores better than Greg Lansing does.  :o
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: bbtds on February 21, 2021, 10:30:29 PM
Quote from: wh on February 21, 2021, 06:34:27 PMDrake's 85-7- win over Evansville's blowout

Wow! How many shots did Evansville miss? That is some great Bulldog D!  :P
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: bbtds on February 21, 2021, 10:36:49 PM
Quote from: AB on February 21, 2021, 06:52:24 PMNIU wasn't a good response.

University of Northern Iowa which is located in eastern Iowa. https://www.google.com/maps/place/University+of+Northern+Iowa/@42.5121556,-94.7058577,7z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x87e5531ad005042d:0x75e1c3b96c004522!8m2!3d42.5121517!4d-92.4646469

I wish us to be the highest I.Q. and smartest athletics message board on the internet.
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: wh on February 22, 2021, 09:09:15 AM
Quote from: bbtds on February 21, 2021, 10:30:29 PM
Quote from: wh on February 21, 2021, 06:34:27 PMDrake's 85-7- win over Evansville's blowout

Wow! How many shots did Evansville miss? That is some great Bulldog D!  :P

Quote from: bbtds on February 21, 2021, 10:36:49 PM
Quote from: AB on February 21, 2021, 06:52:24 PMNIU wasn't a good response.

University of Northern Iowa which is located in eastern Iowa. https://www.google.com/maps/place/University+of+Northern+Iowa/@42.5121556,-94.7058577,7z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x87e5531ad005042d:0x75e1c3b96c004522!8m2!3d42.5121517!4d-92.4646469

I wish us to be the highest I.Q. and smartest athletics message board on the internet.


Interesting (if not disheartening) to learn that a relationship exists between I.Q. and typos on a message board. Presumably, you're referring to an inverse relationship between two variables such that a higher frequency of typos is associated with a lower I.Q. All I can say is that I'll try to do better, but there's only so much I can do.
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: wh on February 22, 2021, 09:30:41 AM
"We gotta do a better job just securing it," SIU coach Bryan Mullins said. "They're long, they're athletic, and without (Daniel) Sackey they play 6-4 and above, so it's one of the longer, bigger teams in our league. We gotta go out-to-in on our blockouts and be physical, and go pursue the ball."
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: bbtds on February 22, 2021, 09:46:22 AM
Quote from: wh on February 22, 2021, 09:09:15 AM
Quote from: bbtds on February 21, 2021, 10:30:29 PM
Quote from: wh on February 21, 2021, 06:34:27 PMDrake's 85-7- win over Evansville's blowout

Wow! How many shots did Evansville miss? That is some great Bulldog D!  :P

Quote from: bbtds on February 21, 2021, 10:36:49 PM
Quote from: AB on February 21, 2021, 06:52:24 PMNIU wasn't a good response.

University of Northern Iowa which is located in eastern Iowa. https://www.google.com/maps/place/University+of+Northern+Iowa/@42.5121556,-94.7058577,7z/data=!4m5!3m4!1s0x87e5531ad005042d:0x75e1c3b96c004522!8m2!3d42.5121517!4d-92.4646469

I wish us to be the highest I.Q. and smartest athletics message board on the internet.


Interesting (if not disheartening) to learn that a relationship exists between I.Q. and typos on a message board. Presumably, you're referring to an inverse relationship between two variables such that a higher frequency of typos is associated with a lower I.Q. All I can say is that I'll try to do better, but there's only so much I can do.

The I.Q./smartest message board comment was not directed at you at all. I do make fun of my own typos at times and realize it was just a typo of the score. That Drake/E'ville score would have been more reflective of last year's Purple Aces team.

One thing I wish to emphasize is that Valpo fans don't like it when the school name is pronounced Val-par-I-so. When Northern Iowa is referred to as NIU that is disrespect for a fellow conference member. I think we should be smarter and more respectful of our fellow conference members. 
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: vu72 on February 22, 2021, 02:00:44 PM
Anybody else notice the stats on the game?  We had only 6 turnovers versus 14 assists while they also had 6 turnovers but 17 assists.  Only 19 fouls between the two team and we got to shoot THREE free throws! Weird.  But I do like our team without Daniel--great kid but teams take advantage of his size and slack off given his 13.9% shooting from deep.  I really like having Zion playing with his top notch defense and even hitting some shots from time to time.

Their coach is right in that we are a pretty big team with Daniel not in the game.  We were playing Ben, Donovan and JO together at times.
Title: Re: Valpo at Southern Illinois 2/21 4 pm cst
Post by: vu84v2 on February 22, 2021, 02:14:54 PM
Combined, the two teams had 31 assists and 12 turnovers. That is really rare.

I really like Clay playing the 3 with JO and Krikke up front. Besides JO needing to be on the floor, Clay creates major matchup problems when the other team's 3 has to guard him.