Starting a thread for the Tourney and our new BFFs Loyola and Drake. Good news for Loyola overnight as Moses Wright, ACC POY, will not be available for the Loyola game. Should help open up the middle for Krutwig. Big impact to my NCAA Players Draft, too.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2936821-georgia-techs-moses-wright-out-for-1st-2nd-round-games-of-2021-ncaa-tournament (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2936821-georgia-techs-moses-wright-out-for-1st-2nd-round-games-of-2021-ncaa-tournament)
Quote from: valpo84 on March 18, 2021, 07:57:19 AM
Starting a thread for the Tourney and our new BFFs Loyola and Drake. Good news for Loyola overnight as Moses Wright, ACC POY, will not be available for the Loyola game. Should help open up the middle for Krutwig. Big impact to my NCAA Players Draft, too.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2936821-georgia-techs-moses-wright-out-for-1st-2nd-round-games-of-2021-ncaa-tournament (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2936821-georgia-techs-moses-wright-out-for-1st-2nd-round-games-of-2021-ncaa-tournament)
I do not expect Drake, who is missing their starting point guard, to get past tonight (though I hope that I am wrong). Loyola has a real shot of getting past Georgia Tech (though GT is very scrappy and will not lack for effort). I don't see much hope for Loyola to get past Illinois, but they will frustrate Illinois and keep it fairly close.
I gave both Drake and Loyola the MVC love and picked them to get through the first round. Loyola's seeding is so bad and unfair because they can absolutely go far in the tournament if they didn't have to face Illinois in the second round! Probably the 1 seed who is on the hottest streak right now(and my pick to win).
I agree they both get one. A bad draw for Loyola, butttttttt.....if madness happens and they somehow pull the upset if they end up playing Illinois, they could be playing into the 3rd weekend again.
Quote from: crusader05 on March 18, 2021, 08:22:24 AM
I gave both Drake and Loyola the MVC love and picked them to get through the first round. Loyola's seeding is so bad and unfair because they can absolutely go far in the tournament if they didn't have to face Illinois in the second round! Probably the 1 seed who is on the hottest streak right now(and my pick to win).
Two NCAA tourney wins between Drake and Loyola would be a good outcome for the conference.
Congratulations to Drake and Loyola for having such good seasons. The challenges associated with trying to have a successful season given the pandemic are immense...and both of these teams have really overcome those challenges.
Drake goes down to the amen of Troy. Fight on!
The 8 or 9 seed is the kiss of death in any tournament. They have the least chance to get past round two than any other seed combination other than the 14, 15 and 16 seeds. Better to be a 10, 11, 12, or 13 seed than an 8 or 9. The 8 or 9 seed always play a 1 seed in round two. In the history of the tournament, the 1 beats the 8 seed 81% of the time and 92% of the time a 1 beats the 9 seed. I don't see Loyola winning the second round if they win the first round. Drake as an 11 seed has a better chance to get past round two than than Loyola does as an 8 seed.
Anybody else glad Drake stopped playing like Valpo and started playing like Loyola?
I think the Shockers will adjust and pull it out but one never knows for sure if the momentum will switch back to Wichita,
So happy with the way Drake closed the half. I hope they can pull it out!
Good comeback and game over the last 10 minutes
Thank you Drake for the extra money!
Quote from: valpotx on March 18, 2021, 07:44:25 PMThank you Drake for the extra money!
How much does each MVC school get per win?
I wasn't expecting much from Hemphill and that is what he gave. Despite that it was a great game and win with some really ugly stretches. I was in and out so for the first 10 or 12 minutes that I viewed, I think Drake made one basket and 2 free throws during that viewing. I considered walking away from the TV so I could stop jinxing them. :o
YES! YES! YES! YES! YES! Wow I thought they were going to get dominated the way they played during points of that game and the way they were getting killed on the glass! What a testament to their fighting spirit! I love this conference!
Well done Drake. That's one for the Valley.
That was a great game! Feels extra good to beat a Former Valley Team that thought they were too good for the conference.
Excellent. Each unit was 280,300 in 2019. Not sure about 2021.
Quote from: elephtheria47 on March 18, 2021, 11:38:17 PM
Excellent. Each unit was 280,300 in 2019. Not sure about 2021.
The MVC has 3 units and counting. Using 2019 money:
$280,300 x 3 = $840,900/yr x 6 yrs = $5 million
Loyola's Final 4 run in 2018 earned 5 shares worth $8.4 million.
Using the 2019 unit value, 1-and-done conferences earn only $1.7 million.
Each MVC school gets a 10% share of the take. The 14 A-10 schools, for example, get a 7% share. The worst scenario is a conference like the MAC that almost never get 2 teams in the tourney, and they have to split their 1 unit 12 ways.
Go Trojans baby! represent the Conference of Champions well over Drake! Make Olivia Jade proud!
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 19, 2021, 07:56:28 AM
Go Trojans baby! represent the Conference of Champions well over Drake! Make Olivia Jade proud!
Umm..... Can the moderator please remove this post :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :)
The Conference of Chumps is going down!
The Conference of Champions will stand proud! Ask the great Bill
Walton!
Georgia Tech has some MEN playing basketball. Makes Loyola look small. Loyola makes a nice run to end the first half and leads 30-25.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 19, 2021, 03:11:10 PM
The Conference of Champions will stand proud! Ask the great Bill
Walton!
What once may have been the Conference of Champions 40 years ago, hasn't been anything other than the Conference of Chumps for the better part of 10 years now :). Football sucks, basketball is just happy to be there, etc.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_schools_with_the_most_Division_I_national_championships
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 19, 2021, 10:13:43 PMhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_schools_with_the_most_Division_I_national_championships
Racking up the badminton and rowing titles.
Whether you went to USC or not how can you seriously be rooting against the MVC? The wins mean far more to MVC teams than they would ever mean to a Pac12 school.
Quote from: JD24 on March 19, 2021, 10:52:39 PM
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 19, 2021, 10:13:43 PMhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_NCAA_schools_with_the_most_Division_I_national_championships
Racking up the badminton and rowing titles.
Exactly, and my last 10 years comment still applies:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_Cardinal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UCLA_Bruins
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USC_Trojans
Get out of here with Rowing, Tennis, Water Polo, Beach Volleyball, and Gymnastics championships. You know that when you are saying, 'Conference of Champions,' you are implying the major sports, and the Pac-12 is the Conference of Chumps in Basketball, Football, etc, over the last 10 years.
Baseball? volleyball? Track and field?
As a USC alum, I will root for my team over any conference, including Conference of Champion opponents.
If Drake wins, today, I will certainly wish them well. As for Loyola, they will give Illinois fits.
BTW, it is awesome to see Hinkle Fieldhouse being used in the tournament. A fantastic historic facility. Better than a dome.
Couldn't agree more about Hinkle Fieldhouse being used for the tournament. They need to play more tournament games in special places in the future.
USC just too big for Drake to defend. Drake looked completely gassed in the last ten minutes. Trying to guard the USC giants proved to be too much. Still, a good season for Drake.
Congrats to Drake on a great season, and congrats to USC and congrats to the Conference of Champions for being undefeated so far in the tournament.
Quote from: nkvu on March 20, 2021, 05:34:10 PM
USC just too big for Drake to defend. Drake looked completely gassed in the last ten minutes. Trying to guard the USC giants proved to be too much. Still, a good season for Drake.
It was jokingly reported that USC with 5 grad transfers, was almost as old as the Drake bunch! ;) It will be interesting to see how many senior citizens for each team might return? Any guesses?
The Drake vs USC matchups wouldn't have improved much even with a healthy Penn and Hemphill. It didn't take much time to realize that Drake was a distant long shot. Great season for them regardless!
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 20, 2021, 05:42:19 PM
Congrats to Drake on a great season, and congrats to USC and congrats to the Conference of Champions for being undefeated so far in the tournament.
Congrats to the Conference of Chodes on a win :). Forever Vince Young, as well ;)
Sure, but we still have the Song Girls. fight on baby!
Didn't see that coming, but Loyola really earned that win. Congrats to Loyola!
wham bam. let's gooooo. great job loyola. once can be labeled a "flash in the pan"....but the second time solidifies a great culture/program.
even though we are middle to lower pack of MVC right now, this is why you make the move. tons of NCAA money coming our way. easier to get recruits to commit. we just need to work to get to the upper tier MVC now. creighton, wichita state, and now Loyola. MVC has a strong history of excellence.
Congrats to Loyola! I have said it a number of times in the past and I will repeat it again: In recent years Loyola is doing right what Valpo is doing wrong. The Loyola coaching staff creates a defined game plan and effective team play. They recruit players who buy into the recognizable system and execute with discipline, while exhibiting a calm, collected, and confident demeanor. (I hope Valpo's young players will finally follow in this path as well.) My wife commented when watching the game today that Loyola's players seem like the most pleasant group that in itself is an ad for the program. Loyola upgraded it facilities nicely when it was needed, and they have done a great job of promoting the university through use of the team, while Valpo is still depending on the replay of Bryce's shot each year, though that is now 23 years ago and the facilities look basically the same today as some at the university seem reluctant to put forward the basketball team as promotion. Valpo did not capitalize on that Sweet Sixteen team at the time, and they didn't make the most of the NIT finals team with Peters in Bryce's last year. Loyola markets themselves well with Sister Jean and the fans wearing scarves, while Valpo doesn't even have a mascot or nickname for identity and its loyal fans are made uncomfortable for wearing Crusader gear. Again, I offer my congrats to Loyola and I wonder if the Valpo administration is noticing or still looking the other way.
Quote from: valpopal on March 21, 2021, 02:04:29 PMI offer my congrats to Loyola and I wonder if the Valpo administration is noticing or still looking the other way.
Here is what President Padilla told me in that regard:
"We have to be bold and lean into these challenges. Part of that is capitalizing on our strengths, which include our strong national brand in basketball. But as you know, we haven't lived up recently to the legacy of Homer and Bryce Drew. We're going to have to get much better in that area".
Don't forget that Loyola floundered big time after joining the MVC for a few years(4?) before they had their first banner year. It will be interesting to see how they perform next year when 3 good seniors are gone. The Krutwig express is over after this year. While our progress has been in small increments each year we have been in the Valley, we are adjusting better. Let's hope it continues next season also. By-the-way, doesn't the ARC hold more people than LU's arena? But l must say it looks much better and is more up-to-date. Maybe........??????
The last president said a lot too, yet the ARC is still a dump. Words are wind.
I would not be that surprised if Krutwig came back for another year. I would also not be surprised if Moser moves on.
If Moser moves on, I could see Krutwig going along.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on March 21, 2021, 03:17:31 PM
The last president said a lot too, yet the ARC is still a dump. Words are wind.
He's been on the job for three weeks.
58 points is IL's lowest scoring total of its 31 game season. A masterful performance against the No. 2 ranked team in the nation.
5 revenue-sharing units and counting. A bonanza for the conference, and couldn't have come at a better time. Hopefully, Valpo can return the favor, sooner rather than later. Sponging and Valpo don't belong together.
Quote from: valpo64 on March 21, 2021, 03:08:34 PMDon't forget that Loyola floundered big time after joining the MVC for a few years(4?) before they had their first banner year. It will be interesting to see how they perform next year when 3 good seniors are gone. The Krutwig express is over after this year. While our progress has been in small increments each year we have been in the Valley, we are adjusting better. Let's hope it continues next season also. By-the-way, doesn't the ARC hold more people than LU's arena? But l must say it looks much better and is more up-to-date. Maybe........??????
They look pretty sustainable to me and also Krutwig and Williamson CAN come back next year if they want to. And I hope they do. It's good for the MVC.
Quote from: vu72 on March 21, 2021, 03:54:24 PMQuote from: NativeCheesehead on March 21, 2021, 03:17:31 PMThe last president said a lot too, yet the ARC is still a dump. Words are wind.
He's been on the job for three weeks.
He's referring to Heckler.
I hope Loyola does not have to face Oregon State.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 21, 2021, 05:48:20 PM
I hope Loyola does not have to face Oregon State.
I, on the other hand, want Loyola to play Oregon State and beat them soundly like they did #1 seed Illinois. They could play Oklahoma State also but I believe either opponent would lead to a solid win by Loyola.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 21, 2021, 04:44:46 PM
Quote from: vu72 on March 21, 2021, 03:54:24 PMQuote from: NativeCheesehead on March 21, 2021, 03:17:31 PMThe last president said a lot too, yet the ARC is still a dump. Words are wind.
He's been on the job for three weeks.
He's referring to Heckler.
Really? The word "too". implies that, yes, Heckler said a lot but further that the words of this President are just as empty as in "wind". To say (imply) that during Mark Heckler's Presidency nothing happened is just silly. Athletically, not to mention all the academic and housing improvements, are both wrong. The new playing surface at Brown, the track, the completion of the basketball practice facility, a half million dollar broadcast room, let alone the move to the Valley to name a few. The University is about a lot more than cushy seats at the ARC. A reality check may be in order.
Ok, can we agree that we need more than a HS gym. We also
Need to get with the times and serve beer at games like other teams.
Krutwig will get NBA looks, and at a minimum, end up in a top league in Europe. His style of play is perfect for teams in Spain and Italy.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 21, 2021, 07:16:57 PM
Ok, can we agree that we need more than a HS gym. We also
Need to get with the times and serve beer at games like other teams.
I just want to get back in the ARC. I'll worry about the beer when I get there!
Having watched Loyola for a couple of games in the dance now compared to what I saw in Valpo last season. Loyola ran a number of sets that they obviously had run many, many times before to the point that everybody knew what was supposed to happen and what the options were. Contrast that to Valpo's offense that often looked to me like a bunch of guys dribbling who passed to other guys who dribble until the shot clock ran down until the last guy with the ball jacked up a shot. Now I don't know if Matt can't teach the "motion offense" or the guys we can recruit can't understand and run the motion offense, but I think Loyola has identified a way where MVC teams can beat P-5 talented teams. If Matt can't either figure out how to make his offense work, or recruit and retain the kind of players who can make it work, then he should either abandon it or leave. I would give him two years. It seems to me that if a coach can't recruit the kind of players who can make his preferred offense work, then he should design an offense that fits the kind of players he can recruit. I think Loyola has done that. I don't think we have come close to doing that.
You need a Krutwig to run Loyola's offense. Without an amazing big man passer, you have to do something else.
Quote from: valpotx on March 22, 2021, 12:16:23 AM
You need a Krutwig to run Loyola's offense. Without an amazing big man passer, you have to do something else.
I know Krikke doesn't have the Pillsbury Doughboy body that Krutwig has, but don't you think he is smart enough to fill that role? Not to take anything from Krutwig who has more feel for the game than any big man I've seen in a long time.
I do not. It takes a special type of composure and presence, to do what he does. How many Vlade Divac's have come by, since his time? It is the same type of big man distribution, that is hard for any big boy to replicate.
Quote from: valpotx on March 22, 2021, 12:56:39 AM
I do not. It takes a special type of composure and presence, to do what he does. How many Vlade Divac's have come by, since his time? It is the same type of big man distribution, that is hard for any big boy to replicate.
Agreed - Krutwig is a once in a lifetime type of player. I'm more interested to see what happens to Loyola as a program after he leaves, because when he's surrounded by the right pieces, you get a special team (they're a top 10ish team in the metrics no matter how you slice them). But they've also been around 100 the previous 2 seasons even with a player like him, and that was about as good as they were under Porter Moser without him. I do think they can be solid, but like Butler when we had Matt Howard, Loyola can (and really based on who's left, maybe should) make another F4. The first one was fluky, much like the 2nd one for Butler. But this Loyola team is just as good as Butler's first F4 team, and other maybe than a beat up Houston team, they absolutely will be favored against Oregon State and would be against Syracuse. But Butler hasn't been near that level since (and that's okay), and I wouldn't expect Loyola to stay at this level once Krutwig is gone.
Quote from: IrishDawg on March 22, 2021, 07:01:18 AMbecause when he's surrounded by the right pieces, you get a special team (they're a top 10ish team in the metrics no matter how you slice them). But they've also been around 100 the previous 2 seasons even with a player like him, and that was about as good as they were under Porter Moser without him. I do think they can be solid, but like Butler when we had Matt
What are the chances that Loyola takes these two years of success and does what Butler did and move up in conference? If one of the A10 teams gets poached, I'm sure they would love an in to the Chicago market. I'm sure DePaul would not be happy if they were in the Big East, but it could create a nice little Midwest block for that conference with Butler, Creighton, DePaul, Marquette and Loyola.
Loyola is a very good team, and like many others I'm rooting for them to keep winning. Loyola and Drake have been excellent representatives for the MVC.
In retrospect, all of this also makes VU's season look better. Loyola's last two losses were to Drake and ISUb, teams that went 2-2 against Valpo. As has been said before, VU's second loss to Loyola (on the road no less) was 54-52 with an obvious chance for overtime.
Quote from: vuny98 on March 22, 2021, 09:01:39 AM
Quote from: IrishDawg on March 22, 2021, 07:01:18 AMbecause when he's surrounded by the right pieces, you get a special team (they're a top 10ish team in the metrics no matter how you slice them). But they've also been around 100 the previous 2 seasons even with a player like him, and that was about as good as they were under Porter Moser without him. I do think they can be solid, but like Butler when we had Matt
What are the chances that Loyola takes these two years of success and does what Butler did and move up in conference? If one of the A10 teams gets poached, I'm sure they would love an in to the Chicago market. I'm sure DePaul would not be happy if they were in the Big East, but it could create a nice little Midwest block for that conference with Butler, Creighton, DePaul, Marquette and Loyola.
The Big East emphasizes that its members play many or all of their basketball games in big (NBA style) arenas. Butler is sort of an exception, but they are in the middle of a city and play in a good-sized historic arena. Additionally, I think that Marquette and (especially) DePaul would veto having another conference member so close.
The A10, however, is a different story. I think that they would love to have a presence in Chicago. The thing that likely prevents a team like Loyola from moving to the A10 is that there are way too many teams in that conference now.
Loyola better be ready for Oregon St. as these guys are playing out of their minds.
Quote from: IrishDawg on March 22, 2021, 07:01:18 AMQuote from: valpotx on March 22, 2021, 12:56:39 AMI do not. It takes a special type of composure and presence, to do what he does. How many Vlade Divac's have come by, since his time? It is the same type of big man distribution, that is hard for any big boy to replicate.
Agreed - Krutwig is a once in a lifetime type of player. I'm more interested to see what happens to Loyola as a program after he leaves, because when he's surrounded by the right pieces, you get a special team (they're a top 10ish team in the metrics no matter how you slice them). But they've also been around 100 the previous 2 seasons even with a player like him, and that was about as good as they were under Porter Moser without him. I do think they can be solid, but like Butler when we had Matt Howard, Loyola can (and really based on who's left, maybe should) make another F4. The first one was fluky, much like the 2nd one for Butler. But this Loyola team is just as good as Butler's first F4 team, and other maybe than a beat up Houston team, they absolutely will be favored against Oregon State and would be against Syracuse. But Butler hasn't been near that level since (and that's okay), and I wouldn't expect Loyola to stay at this level once Krutwig is gone.
I think the effectiveness of Krutwig is under sold by some. Not only is he a fantastic distributor from the post(s), he is incredibly and awkwardly effective. He does some things so unconventionally that he is tough to defend. He plays defense in the same fashion. He jumps out low on the ball when other centers defend up "high" as a for example. This is all in addition to his natural ability to pass to cutters all over the place.
The suggestion that anyone, such as Krikke, could perform the same role for Valpo isn't going to work. A lot of these traits are innate and can't be taught.
It will certainly be interesting seeing where Loyola goes after this season. Krutwig will be gone and Moser's real success mirrors Krutwig's career. Moser could also leave himself.
While I'm not stumping at all for Lottich to stay at all....the portal issue certainly is one but I don't know if its just a bunch of kids acting in concert because "if he's in the portal, so am I" or there is a legit issue there....keep in mind that Loyola after 6 years at Loyola wasn't much better than where Valpo's been under Lottich.
The best thing about Loyola's success is that it hopefully applies pressure on Lottich and Valpo to succeed rather than being committed to mediocrity.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 22, 2021, 11:39:57 AMThe best thing about Loyola's success is that it hopefully applies pressure on Lottich and Valpo to succeed rather than being committed to mediocrity.
Moser's history with Loyola could cause Valpo to stand pat. Be careful what you wish for.
Moser has improved as a coach in the past 10-15 years. If he can increase recruiting and keep the Chicagoland talent, then hopefully Valpo can step it up.
Much talk this morning of Moser moving to Indiana or Marquette. We'll see.
Quote from: JD24 on March 22, 2021, 11:45:25 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 22, 2021, 11:39:57 AMThe best thing about Loyola's success is that it hopefully applies pressure on Lottich and Valpo to succeed rather than being committed to mediocrity.
Moser's history with Loyola could cause Valpo to stand pat. Be careful what you wish for.
According to Wikipedia, Porter Moser went 22-50 in conference play at ISUr. He is 89-89 in conference at Loyola, and had below 0.500 records in his first six years at Loyola. Lottich's Wikipedia page hasn't been updated to this year - by my quick update Lottich's conference record is 43-47.
I don't see Loyola wanting to move to the A-10. Too spread out, and too large, at the moment.
Quote from: valpo95 on March 22, 2021, 12:48:08 PMQuote from: JD24 on March 22, 2021, 11:45:25 AMQuote from: usc4valpo on March 22, 2021, 11:39:57 AMThe best thing about Loyola's success is that it hopefully applies pressure on Lottich and Valpo to succeed rather than being committed to mediocrity.
Moser's history with Loyola could cause Valpo to stand pat. Be careful what you wish for.
According to Wikipedia, Porter Moser went 22-50 in conference play at ISUr. He is 89-89 in conference at Loyola, and had below 0.500 records in his first six years at Loyola. Lottich's Wikipedia page hasn't been updated to this year - by my quick update Lottich's conference record is 43-47.
Take the HL year out. We're not there anymore and it was with Bryce's players. Alec Peters was the coach of that team not Matt Lottich and we saw that was true when Peters went out at the end of the year.
I hope you're right about Loyola not wanting to move to the A-10 but doing that and allowing teams in the A-10 to play teams like Fordham much less frequently would be just what the doctor ordered to turn the A-10 back into a consistent 3-4 bid league again. Loyola has the chops for that league. I hope they stay but we are right to be nervous especially since their departure might influence the quality and caliber of replacements we could convince to join. But first and foremost WE need to get better and start proving we're an MVC level program because regardless of the on court results we can't keep our players. In the MVC you win with player retention and the fact that we can't retain players proves we're not at the MVC level yet.
Perhaps Moser has improved over time. The dude has 2 sweet 16s and a final four on his resume and is the hottest coach out there. correct me if I am wrong, but Even Scott Drew has not been in a Final Four.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 22, 2021, 08:35:33 PMTake the HL year out. We're not there anymore and it was with Bryce's players. Alec Peters was the coach of that team not Matt Lottich and we saw that was true when Peters went out at the end of the year
Dude. Try a sedative.
Quote from: JD24 on March 22, 2021, 09:21:24 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on March 22, 2021, 08:35:33 PMTake the HL year out. We're not there anymore and it was with Bryce's players. Alec Peters was the coach of that team not Matt Lottich and we saw that was true when Peters went out at the end of the year
Dude. Try a sedative.
The HL year is irrelevant because Matt is clearly not up to snuff when it comes to coaching where we are now in the MVC. Moreover the fact that he had by far and away his best (and only not mediocre or bad) year with Bryce's players is pretty telling to me. That's why I say the HL year isn't relevant.How about instead of attacking me personally you address the points of my post. Do you honestly believe Matt Lottich has built on Bryce's success and has made us a better program? Are the current level of performance and the player retention issues especially among impact freshmen and sophomores who are getting playing time acceptable to you? If not, then what would you propose to fix these issues other than firing Lottich? In my mind Lottich has clearly shown that he is way in over his head at this level and has clearly shown that his players do not buy in or enjoy playing for him. I look at Valpo basketball and I see a program very much in crisis that needs drastic overhaul in multiple facets. What do you see?
It took us several seasons to put our stamp on the Horizon League, and it will be the same for the MVC. We're not getting blown out in games, other than the home Loyola game. We've already shown we belong throughout the last few seasons, and just need to learn to close the door/step on the opponent's throat, when we have leads.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 22, 2021, 09:30:29 PMQuote from: JD24 on March 22, 2021, 09:21:24 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on March 22, 2021, 08:35:33 PMTake the HL year out. We're not there anymore and it was with Bryce's players. Alec Peters was the coach of that team not Matt Lottich and we saw that was true when Peters went out at the end of the year
Dude. Try a sedative.
The HL year is irrelevant because Matt is clearly not up to snuff when it comes to coaching where we are now in the MVC. blah blah blah.
Then why did you bring it up?
As to the rest of your post(s), typical rants to nowhere but Valpo should look at its entire basketball program and this goes beyond the coach. The coach may and maybe should be replaced but my suspicion is that this is more than a single issue.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 22, 2021, 08:35:33 PMTake the HL year out. We're not there anymore and it was with Bryce's players. Alec Peters was the coach of that team not Matt Lottich and we saw that was true when Peters went out at the end of the year
OK, so we'll take out Porter Moser's first four years at ISUr (where he went 22-50 in the MVC). We'll take out Moser's first two years at Loyola, where he
went 6-28 in the Horizon League. We'll take out Matt Lottich's first year in the HL, and just compare Moser's first four years in the MVC at Loyola, with Matt Lottch's first four years in the MVC at Valpo.
Moser
4-14 (2013-14)
8-10
7-11
8-10
Total (27-45)
Lottich
6-12 (2017-18)
7-11
9-9
7-11
Total (29-43)
Obviously, their records are pretty comparable over similar periods (and facts are stubborn things). Clearly no one is satisfied with the middling performance of the team, yet the decision to get a new coach is more nuanced than some are recognizing.
Loyola will be facing the Conference of Champions tourney winner, so they better be ready.
Given all the efforts toward more money for female athletics, although smaller, I'm pretty sure the women will get some money per game in their tourney. The MVC had two women's team in the tourney with Bradley losing in the first round but Missouri State now in the Sweet Sixteen. Apparently it is the first time The Valley has had both a Women's and Men's team reach the Sweet Sixteen in the same year.
So as of now the Women have five shares locked up and the Men have six shares. A very nice haul and much needed money!
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 23, 2021, 11:34:48 AM
Loyola will be facing the Conference of Champions tourney winner, so they better be ready.
Beaver Fever is about to get a dose of Sister Jean. Ramblers will probably be 5-6 point favorites given the metrics, which honestly I would take Loyola and the points unless it's up near double digits. This should honestly be the easiest game of the tournament for Loyola. If Syracuse wins the other game, Loyola should once again be favored, and if Houston wins, they might be favored by a point.
Shares in the women's tourney isn't bringing anything financially. Just pride.
Loyola will not play as well as they did against Illinois, and the Beavers have the full support of the great Pac12 ambassador and legendary commentator Bill Walton, which may trump over Sister Jean in an illegalized drug influenced perspective. I truly hope Loyola wins but it wont be as easy as Illinois - they are facing the Conference of Champions tournament winner in O-State.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 25, 2021, 01:01:19 PMLoyola will not play as well as they did against Illinois, and the Beavers have the full support of the great Pac12 ambassador and legendary commentator Bill Walton, which may trump over Sister Jean in an illegalized drug influenced perspective. I truly hope Loyola wins but it wont be as easy as Illinois - they are facing the Conference of Champions tournament winner in O-State.
And possibly the hottest team in the country. This really isn't the cakewalk some think it will be. Loyola will have to come ready.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 25, 2021, 01:01:19 PM
Loyola will not play as well as they did against Illinois, and the Beavers have the full support of the great Pac12 ambassador and legendary commentator Bill Walton, which may trump over Sister Jean in an illegalized drug influenced perspective. I truly hope Loyola wins but it wont be as easy as Illinois - they are facing the Conference of Champions tournament winner in O-State.
To each his own, but Bill Walton is pure empty calories in terms of legitimate basketball analysis. Entertaining? Certainly. Passionate about the Pac 12? Absolutely. But like Vitale, it's a shtick, and I will actively mute the volume when either of them are calling a game.
We'll see in terms of ease of victory for Loyola. I don't think they'll play as well as they did against Illinois, but I also don't think they'll need to. Oregon State won their last tourney game by getting to the foul line 35 times (they made 32). Loyola is top 10 in the nation on defense for not sending to teams to the stripe. Loyola can't sleepwalk through it, but with their current group, I wouldn't expect them to.
The Conference of Could-Have-Beens will fall to the Mighty MVC!
How did Drake do? ;)
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 25, 2021, 04:03:07 PM
How did Drake do? ;)
Pretty good musical career, so far.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 25, 2021, 04:03:07 PMHow did Drake do? ;)
Much better than Kansas... And shorthanded too...
If Loyola plays to their potential, they will win. All I am saying is that this game is no gimme and the Ramblers cannot allow a letdown.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 26, 2021, 06:21:40 AMIf Loyola plays to their potential, they will win. All I am saying is that this game is no gimme and the Ramblers cannot allow a letdown.
I don't believe you're going to find anyone who disagrees with that statement... No tournament game is a gimme especially in the Sweet 16 on up. If you got here you're good enough to be in and you're good enough to be here. I think Porter will have them prepared especially with Marquette no longer hanging over anybody's head.
Moser loves Chicago, and since DePaul appears to have a decent AD in charge, he may go there if he wants to and DePaul goes that direction.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 26, 2021, 05:54:02 PMMoser loves Chicago, and since DePaul appears to have a decent AD in charge, he may go there if he wants to and DePaul goes that direction.
Moser's probably maxed out at what Loyola can pay him. Leitao was making just a bit more than that so DePaul would have to go some to make it attractive. Moser turned down more than $2mil from St. Johns after the final four team a few years ago. If Indiana is in the picture, Miller made $3.35mil and probably would get at least $4mil. That would be the job, possibly only job, I can see Moser leaving for currently. Texas is now open but that doesn't make much sense.
Quote from: JD24 on March 26, 2021, 09:43:35 PM
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 26, 2021, 05:54:02 PMMoser loves Chicago, and since DePaul appears to have a decent AD in charge, he may go there if he wants to and DePaul goes that direction.
Moser's probably maxed out at what Loyola can pay him. Leitao was making just a bit more than that so DePaul would have to go some to make it attractive. Moser turned down more than $2mil from St. Johns after the final four team a few years ago. If Indiana is in the picture, Miller made $3.35mil and probably would get at least $4mil. That would be the job, possibly only job, I can see Moser leaving for currently. Texas is now open but that doesn't make much sense.
This is a really sad comment on the world of sports and, I guess, society. How many millions does a person have to make before they are earning enough to be happy or, at least, content? Is it just bragging rights?
https://twitter.com/minakimes/status/1373698523208720385
Quote from: humbleopinion on March 27, 2021, 05:23:17 AMQuote from: JD24 on March 26, 2021, 09:43:35 PMQuote from: usc4valpo on March 26, 2021, 05:54:02 PMMoser loves Chicago, and since DePaul appears to have a decent AD in charge, he may go there if he wants to and DePaul goes that direction.
Moser's probably maxed out at what Loyola can pay him. Leitao was making just a bit more than that so DePaul would have to go some to make it attractive. Moser turned down more than $2mil from St. Johns after the final four team a few years ago. If Indiana is in the picture, Miller made $3.35mil and probably would get at least $4mil. That would be the job, possibly only job, I can see Moser leaving for currently. Texas is now open but that doesn't make much sense.
This is a really sad comment on the world of sports and, I guess, society. How many millions does a person have to make before they are earning enough to be happy or, at least, content? Is it just bragging rights?
Why is it sad?
I think it's sad that there seems to be a sense that chasing money is the goal of life-- especially for those who are already have million dollar plus contracts.
Anybody that has a job is chasing money.
Is AOC on the message board? Just kidding
Quote from: Just Sayin on March 27, 2021, 11:50:11 AM
Anybody that has a job is chasing money.
I prefer job satisfaction over money, as long as I am getting a fair wage for my skills/work. It is why I have stayed for 10+ years now, regardless of the other high tech firms that reach out. If I were already making $1m, I would also be of the view that I don't care if someone offered me $2m or $3m, if I was happy with my company. However, you are correct, in that most others would be of the same opinion as you.
You also have to think about what you want to accomplish in whatever you do. A change in venue may enable bigger and better things besides money, like new experiences, better life, national championship potential, etc.
Credit to Oregon State's defense but this is the worst I think I have ever seen Loyola-Chicago play. They look terrible. I don't know if it's them believing their own hype or all the rumors of Porter leaving left them unprepared or they have one foot in the A-10 already or what but they need to pull their heads out and start playing like they want to win here or they're going to be going home.
O State's zone defense is impressive for sure.
It isn't their defense. They just played 1-3-1 and 2-3 zone all day, and begged Loyola to beat them on the perimeter, and Loyola just missed all of their many open 3's. Good defensive scheming, but it was simply Loyola missing wide open shots. Clemons was so off, he reminded me of Sackey shooting 3's.
Oregon State was the better team by far today. They more than earned this win. If that's the last memory of Loyola in the MVC it's not a good one. I hope they don't leave but they played like a team with one foot out the door being bogged down by too many rumors. This reminded me a lot of Valpo's performance in the NIT Final when the rumors of Bryce's departure were swirling...
Good defense but poor shooting is just as contagious as good shooting. Much of the tournament field would have beaten the Ramblers today. Most of the Valley opponents would have hung with them also. We almost beat them on a shooting day similar to this.
Down game for Loyola but give Oregon State credit for keeping composed.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 27, 2021, 03:55:14 PM
Oregon State was the better team by far today. They more than earned this win. If that's the last memory of Loyola in the MVC it's not a good one. I hope they don't leave but they played like a team with one foot out the door being bogged down by too many rumors. This reminded me a lot of Valpo's performance in the NIT Final when the rumors of Bryce's departure were swirling...
I still highly doubt that Loyola would leave for the A-10. It isn't that much of an upgrade as it would have been a few years back, when Butler made the switch. However, I guarantee you that the players would have no idea of any rumors on that side, and if they did, it would not affect their play at all.
The win by Drake in the First Four and the Sweet 16 run for Loyola is still very nice for the conference and should help a lot with our shortfall. Sucks we couldn't get a final 4 share but what can you do? Now it's time for us to start building to start earning shares for this conference. Hopefully we can keep a team together long enough to do it.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 27, 2021, 03:55:14 PMOregon State was the better team by far today. They more than earned this win. If that's the last memory of Loyola in the MVC it's not a good one. I hope they don't leave but they played like a team with one foot out the door being bogged down by too many rumors. This reminded me a lot of Valpo's performance in the NIT Final when the rumors of Bryce's departure were swirling...
Do you ever post in a non sky is falling manner no matter the subject?
I Presume the MVC will avoid scheduling conference of champion opponents in the future after this.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 27, 2021, 04:08:20 PM
I Presume the MVC will avoid scheduling conference of champion opponents in the future after this.
Big Ten only!
True, they can beat Big Ten opponents.
Quote from: JD24 on March 27, 2021, 04:04:50 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on March 27, 2021, 03:55:14 PMOregon State was the better team by far today. They more than earned this win. If that's the last memory of Loyola in the MVC it's not a good one. I hope they don't leave but they played like a team with one foot out the door being bogged down by too many rumors. This reminded me a lot of Valpo's performance in the NIT Final when the rumors of Bryce's departure were swirling...
Do you ever post in a non sky is falling manner no matter the subject?
The rumors are what they are dude... I don't know why you're always on my back when what I'm saying isn't that far out of what is or could be the reality... People on the Saluki board have heard it it's been mentioned by Happening Hoops I believe. There might well be smoke here and that would not be good for the MVC at all and there's no way to spin that positively. As for Valpo's issues, I don't know what to say. You can go on believing that 5+ transfers twice in three years is normal and I'm loony for worrying about it or about the direction Lottich is taking the program if that helps you cope with it but there's nothing good about Valpo's program right now and nothing good about Loyola potentially leaving. Call that "sky is falling" if you wish but it's certainly not worthy of optimism.
Quote from: valpotx on March 27, 2021, 04:00:28 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on March 27, 2021, 03:55:14 PMOregon State was the better team by far today. They more than earned this win. If that's the last memory of Loyola in the MVC it's not a good one. I hope they don't leave but they played like a team with one foot out the door being bogged down by too many rumors. This reminded me a lot of Valpo's performance in the NIT Final when the rumors of Bryce's departure were swirling...
I still highly doubt that Loyola would leave for the A-10. It isn't that much of an upgrade as it would have been a few years back, when Butler made the switch. However, I guarantee you that the players would have no idea of any rumors on that side, and if they did, it would not affect their play at all.
I totally disagree. The A-10 has a weaker bottom than the MVC but their top is much much stronger and deeper. Just look at the NET ratings:
NET A-10:
St Bonaventure 23
VCU 37
SLU 43
Davidson 58
Richmond 68
Dayton 80
Rhode Island 108
UMass 113
George Mason 130
Duquesne 131
LaSalle 203
St Joseph's 221
George Washington 258
Fordham 320
Avg NET 128.1
MVC
Loyola 10
Drake 45
Missouri State 97
Indiana State 120
Bradley 174
UNI 194
SIU 214
Valpo 229
Evansville 233
Illinois State 242
Avg NET 155.8
The depth of the A-10 provides a lot more Q1 and Q2 opportunities for Loyola add in the institutional fit and the markets that Loyola would then have access to and the move makes a lot of sense even with the travel costs. It's not like Loyola is any kind of a power in baseball or volleyball or women's basketball so the MVC's success in those sports doesn't really matter when considering this move. I'm not saying they should or shouldn't do it I'm just saying it's a very logical step. Adding strength to the MVC might entice them to stay but it might be too late.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 27, 2021, 04:25:06 PMQuote from: JD24 on March 27, 2021, 04:04:50 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on March 27, 2021, 03:55:14 PMOregon State was the better team by far today. They more than earned this win. If that's the last memory of Loyola in the MVC it's not a good one. I hope they don't leave but they played like a team with one foot out the door being bogged down by too many rumors. This reminded me a lot of Valpo's performance in the NIT Final when the rumors of Bryce's departure were swirling...
Do you ever post in a non sky is falling manner no matter the subject?
The rumors are what they are dude... I don't know why you're always on my back when what I'm saying isn't that far out of what is or could be the reality... People on the Saluki board have heard it it's been mentioned by Happening Hoops I believe. There might well be smoke here and that would not be good for the MVC at all and there's no way to spin that positively. As for Valpo's issues, I don't know what to say. You can go on believing that 5+ transfers twice in three years is normal and I'm loony for worrying about it or about the direction Lottich is taking the program if that helps you cope with it but there's nothing good about Valpo's program right now and nothing good about Loyola potentially leaving. Call that "sky is falling" if you wish but it's certainly not worthy of optimism
Missing yet supporting my point.
Your "point" was an ad hominem, not an argument.
That's only a NET difference of 27, and you add in a crap ton more travel costs, in the new post-COVID area. Highly doubt it will happen
Not a huge difference between the. a10 and the MVC. Not if Moser leaves, that will be interesting.
Quote from: valpotx on March 27, 2021, 05:07:12 PMThat's only a NET difference of 27, and you add in a crap ton more travel costs, in the new post-COVID area. Highly doubt it will happen
Let me show you this in a different way then: Quadrants:
Loyola (Q1 home and away)
Drake (Q1 away Q2 home)
Missouri State (Q2 away Q3 home)
Indiana State (Q2 away Q3 home)
Bradley Q4 home Q3 away
UNI Q4 home Q3 away
SIU Q4 home Q3 away
Valpo Q4 home Q3 away
Evansville Q4 home Q3 away
Illinois State Q4 home and away
A-10:
St Bonaventure Q1 home and away
VCU Q2 home Q1 away
SLU Q2 home Q1 away
Davidson Q2 home Q1 away
Richmond Q2 home Q1 away
Dayton Q3 home Q2 away
Rhode Island Q3 home Q2 away
UMass Q3 home Q2 away
George Mason Q3 home Q2 away
Duquesne Q3 home Q2 away
LaSalle Q4 home Q3 away
St Joseph's Q4 home Q3 away
GW Q4 home and away
Fordham Q4 home and away
That means that the A-10 could provide upwards of 15 Q1 or Q2 opportunities for Loyola whereas the MVC can only provide 4 such opportunities (since Loyola obviously can't play against itself). I love the MVC but to be fair the only reason we weren't a one bid league this year was because of the COVID scheduling which gave Drake two extra Q2 opportunities they otherwise would not have had (which they fortunately cashed in on). Take those away and it's very possible even probable that they lose the battle for an at large spot to a Louisville or a Colorado State or a SLU. I hate to say we got lucky getting multiple bids but we kinda did. Moving to the A-10 represents a huge bump up in potential SOS for them. Not to mention the potential for elevated OOC scheduling. Again I'm not saying they will because travel costs are definitely a thing but there is a compelling argument for them to make the jump both on and off the court. Remember the arguments for SLU joining the Valley to save on travel? Well for the same reasons why they won't Loyola could very well consider making the jump.
1314, relax dude. I just don't see it happening.
Loyola picked an awful time to play one of its worst offensive games of the year. Oh well, Beaver Fever rolls on.
The benefit of moving to the A-10 is nominal at best. The A-10 might be willing to add them, but outside of a potential fractional increase in tourney shares, which would be more than wiped out in travel costs, forget by the men's basketball team, there's women's basketball, volleyball, softball, soccer that all have increased travel costs. Unless the school is cool just eating those costs, they aren't moving anywhere.
Moser leaving should be the concern here. No idea if he will, but there's at least a real chance that could happen.
Moser to Indiana. Takes Williamson and Krutwig with him. Hehe
Quote from: Just Sayin on March 27, 2021, 08:33:14 PMMoser to Indiana. Takes Williamson and Kruwig with him. Hehe
That's not real is it? Also I thought Williamson and Krutwig would only be allowed to play for Loyola am I wrong?
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
There has been no single credible A10 rumor. A drunken admin on Saluki Insider (who also says Barry Hinson is running for OK Governor) and a kid running Happening Hoops are not credible sources.
You have to wonder if Oregon State can handle Houston and their athleticism and tremendous defense. I have a good felling they will meet their Waterloo.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 27, 2021, 08:40:24 PM
Quote from: Just Sayin on March 27, 2021, 08:33:14 PMMoser to Indiana. Takes Williamson and Kruwig with him. Hehe
That's not real is it? Also I thought Williamson and Krutwig would only be allowed to play for Loyola am I wrong?
I think you are. Mileek is a senior as is Robinson and they are in the transfer portal.
Seniors can enter the transfer for their extra year of eligibility BUT their scholarship will count against the cap. The only place where they get the "extra" scholarship is if they stay at their original school.
I don't see either Krutwig or Williamson enhancing their profile by transfering. A Sweet Sixteen run is realistically the height most college players could expect. Another year in college is another year in which they subject themselves to injury, sacrificing the potential earnings they could get wherever they would make it in professional play.
Yeah, better to chase after the money.
Since we have been speaking about tournament shares for the MVC (and Valpo) due to the games played by Loyola and Drake, I was wondering if anyone knows how much money Butler is getting from the NCAA for use of Hinkle Fieldhouse? This bonus must have been a pleasant surprise for them, not to mention all the tremendous free publicity they have received.
Quote from: may know on March 28, 2021, 02:00:03 AMA drunken admin on Saluki Insider (who also says Barry Hinson is running for OK Governor)
https://tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/highschools/guerin-emig-barry-hinson-once-thought-he-might-run-for-oklahoma-governor-how-about-now/article_ba6fdf17-faae-54cf-8fb9-99ddfe02236c.html
Quote from: valpopal on March 28, 2021, 01:13:37 PM
Since we have been speaking about tournament shares for the MVC (and Valpo) due to the games played by Loyola and Drake, I was wondering if anyone knows how much money Butler is getting from the NCAA for use of Hinkle Fieldhouse? This bonus must have been a pleasant surprise for them, not to mention all the tremendous free publicity they have received.
All of it, lol.
Actually probably not THAT much considering the City of Indianapolis is allowing the NCAA to use Lucas Oil Stadium rent free for the tournament and the convention center at a significantly reduced rate. I'm sure for places like IUPUI, Butler, Purdue and Indiana, there's probably a fee, but given that those are member institutions of the organization putting on the event, it's probably much less than a separate facility would bring in.