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Title: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: valpotx on November 09, 2011, 11:40:27 AM
In looking at their website, they are a VERY young team with only 1 Jr and 2 Sr players.  They have their top returning scorer (Drayton, Sr, 15.8 ppg last year), but other than that it looks to be a lot of turnover from last year in their better players.  They were 5-27 last year, including a loss to Chicago State, with only 2 wins against D-1 competition (The Citadel & Georgia State in OT).  I am thinking:

Valpo 76
Georgia Southern 61
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: agibson on November 09, 2011, 01:04:16 PM
A lot of turnover... from a team that was one of the worst in the country last year.  We'd certainly better win.

We'll all be watching the soccer, surely.  (Or, I heard there's a basketball game on a boat somewhere?) 

But, so far there's no live info listed at all on the VU Athletics web page.  No audio, no video, no live stats.

Presumably it will at least be on the radio - and presumably that will have some associated streaming.  Anyone have news on this?
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: johnestuff on November 09, 2011, 01:18:51 PM
georgiasoutherneagles.com

This website shows a live video link for the game.
I can't upload a link, so copy and paste.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: valporun on November 09, 2011, 01:22:18 PM
The athletics website is showing video for the game against Milwaukee, which takes out one of the audio setups, and I'm guessing the other one would be out at Brown Field for the HL tournament Friday/Sunday and football on Saturday. I don't know if Valpo has anymore than those two available, but it seems that they are both being used for more "important" activities. I'll check the Georgia Southern website for audio/video or live stats, but we might be stuff with having to refresh ESPN/CBS Sportsline/Yahoo for score updates otherwise.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: valpotx on November 09, 2011, 01:31:56 PM
It looks like you have to pay a one-time fee of $4.95+tax to watch a single game if you follow the links.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: VUfan on November 09, 2011, 01:37:30 PM
Georgia Southern ?look at a map it should be Georgia Eastern! Geo majors stand up!
VU 81 Georgia Someware 61
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: valporun on November 09, 2011, 01:44:18 PM
The Georgia Southern website is showing a subscription-based setup for audio or video on the front page of their website. I did a little more searching around for a "flagship" radio network, and found that the game would be broadcast on WBMZ The Boomer 103.7.

In finding this, I went for the station website, http://1037theboomer.com/ (http://1037theboomer.com/)

They have a 'Listen Live' link, so this should get you the audio for the game, if there aren't available audio links for Valpo Sports Radio Network on the Valpo website.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: ChadWC on November 09, 2011, 02:54:32 PM
Greetings Valpo fans.  A few things:

The audio on georgiasoutherneagles.com is free.  You'll be able to listen starting with the pregame show at 7 PM ET on Friday.  Just go to Audio/Video on the left side of the screen in the menu and it will pull up a pop up window and you'll find it there.  

Now for a little on our team.  We have struggled mightily the past two seasons.  The previous coach before the one we currently have left under unfortunate circumstances which caused us to be placed on NCAA probation which we come off of I believe in January.  But our current coach, Charlton "C.Y." Young is a former player and hes an extremely good, and I mean extremely good recruiter.  We have as much talent on the team as any team we've ever had.  Our current group of sophomores was rated a top 5 mid major class by ESPN and due to the amount they played last year, they aren't your average sophomores, they are seasoned college basketball players.  The current freshman were also very highly touted and should give us some much needed front court depth.

Last year was a rough one as we had 1 senior and lost our all SoCon player Willie Powers before the season began.  We were forced to play a team with a boatload of freshman who looked good at times but always found a way to lose.  We've looked much better through our two exhibition games this year due to getting Powers back in the backcourt to go with Ben Drayton who is an undersized but very skilled player.  SG Eric Ferguson has been tabbed an NBA prospect.  Fox Sports wrote an article about him saying he could have played for anybody in the country but CY is his godfather and he came to Statesboro to play for him.  Hes a very tough matchup for people at the 2 or the 3 with his 6'7 height and long wingspan.  SG/PG Jelani Hewitt was a very highly touted recruit who played a ton last year and was a good player for us and Tre Bussey had his moments.  We will be without freshman Tyrone Brown who is our biggest body down low for this and the next game due to a team rules violation.  Our front court will have long, lean guys who can rebound the ball and block shots but won't figure into the gameplan on offense as much as our guards.  We love to get up and down the court and run.  This year we have the team who can do it.  I'd imagine you will see us pressure the basketball with some full court presses at times, especially if we can cause turnovers and don't get into foul trouble.

Hope to see a good group of Valpo fans at Hanner Fieldhouse.  
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: covufan on November 09, 2011, 07:07:17 PM
I really like watching KVW and Buggs this year - much improved.

Valpo - 77
GSouth - 63
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: wh on November 09, 2011, 07:18:43 PM
Quote from: ChadWC on November 09, 2011, 02:54:32 PM
Greetings Valpo fans.  A few things:

The audio on georgiasoutherneagles.com is free.  You'll be able to listen starting with the pregame show at 7 PM ET on Friday.  Just go to Audio/Video on the left side of the screen in the menu and it will pull up a pop up window and you'll find it there. 

Now for a little on our team.  We have struggled mightily the past two seasons.  The previous coach before the one we currently have left under unfortunate circumstances which caused us to be placed on NCAA probation which we come off of I believe in January.  But our current coach, Charlton "C.Y." Young is a former player and hes an extremely good, and I mean extremely good recruiter.  We have as much talent on the team as any team we've ever had.  Our current group of sophomores was rated a top 5 mid major class by ESPN and due to the amount they played last year, they aren't your average sophomores, they are seasoned college basketball players.  The current freshman were also very highly touted and should give us some much needed front court depth.

Last year was a rough one as we had 1 senior and lost our all SoCon player Willie Powers before the season began.  We were forced to play a team with a boatload of freshman who looked good at times but always found a way to lose.  We've looked much better through our two exhibition games this year due to getting Powers back in the backcourt to go with Ben Drayton who is an undersized but very skilled player.  SG Eric Ferguson has been tabbed an NBA prospect.  Fox Sports wrote an article about him saying he could have played for anybody in the country but CY is his godfather and he came to Statesboro to play for him.  Hes a very tough matchup for people at the 2 or the 3 with his 6'7 height and long wingspan.  SG/PG Jelani Hewitt was a very highly touted recruit who played a ton last year and was a good player for us and Tre Bussey had his moments.  We will be without freshman Tyrone Brown who is our biggest body down low for this and the next game due to a team rules violation.  Our front court will have long, lean guys who can rebound the ball and block shots but won't figure into the gameplan on offense as much as our guards.  We love to get up and down the court and run.  This year we have the team who can do it.  I'd imagine you will see us pressure the basketball with some full court presses at times, especially if we can cause turnovers and don't get into foul trouble.

Hope to see a good group of Valpo fans at Hanner Fieldhouse. 

Great post, ChadWC.  Sounds like we are going to have our hands full.  Good luck to your team!
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: drewsaders11 on November 09, 2011, 10:33:49 PM
Interesting post, ChadWC.  I initially thought "game against a 5-27 team with two wins...easy win".  But after reading that, I checked the GS schedule from last year, and in their last ten games, they went 1-9, but 8 losses were in single digits, so apparently by season's end they were at least in games (albeit, in a lesser conference).  However, we don't want a let down from the good play we showed in Arizona (at least the first twenty and final four minutes).  A win is expected, in my opinion.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: johnestuff on November 10, 2011, 09:59:04 AM
Who's going to this game, and where are you driving from? I will be in Waycross, GA Friday noon, and trying to get to the game with no transportation. (Can't drive 18 wheeler that far!)
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: sliman on November 10, 2011, 10:25:23 AM
The Willie Powers mentioned by ChadWC scored 27 for Georgia Southern in a hard-fought win for Valpo there two years ago.  To view this as an easy win is to underestimate them.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: vu84v2 on November 10, 2011, 01:23:22 PM
Valpo 80 Georgia Southern 75
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: ChadWC on November 10, 2011, 05:24:55 PM
I cannot describe to you in words how much more talented this team is than the one Valpo faced two years ago.  Not saying we are great or will be in the tourney, but based purely on talent alone, this is a much more talented and deeper team.  We were also playing one of our first games in a new system in our last meeting as well.

I probably make us sound like world beaters a little much, but we have some very good players.  This year is about our sophomores taking a step forward to go along with those two seniors in the back court.  Those two guys can play.  If our sophs play like they are capable and our freshman provide depth, we will challenge for the SoCon.  If they are inconsistent, we will probably be a middle of the pack team. 

Quote from: sliman on November 10, 2011, 10:25:23 AM
The Willie Powers mentioned by ChadWC scored 27 for Georgia Southern in a hard-fought win for Valpo there two years ago.  To view this as an easy win is to underestimate them.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: ChadWC on November 10, 2011, 05:36:58 PM
http://www.georgiasoutherneagles.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=18700&ATCLID=205331134 (http://www.georgiasoutherneagles.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=18700&ATCLID=205331134)

Thats the link to the game preview, game notes, and a link to our season preview video with our head coach that was released today.  If anybody is interested. 
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: sectionee on November 10, 2011, 05:41:03 PM
Here is the game preview we'll throw your way, http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/11/valpo-vs-georgia-southern-preview.html (http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/11/valpo-vs-georgia-southern-preview.html)

Go Valpo!
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: agibson on November 10, 2011, 06:01:06 PM
Quote from: sectionee on November 10, 2011, 05:41:03 PM
Here is the game preview we'll throw your way, http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/11/valpo-vs-georgia-southern-preview.html (http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/11/valpo-vs-georgia-southern-preview.html)

And the "official" game notes are over at
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2011-12/11180/valpo-continues-season-opening-road-trip-at-georgia-southern/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2011-12/11180/valpo-continues-season-opening-road-trip-at-georgia-southern/)
but I suppose that's easy enough for even a visiting opponent to find.

I see they do now have a WAKE link up for audio - suggesting there may, indeed, be a Valpo call for the game.   (I don't know about the total number of broadcast setups.  But, there always is a radio broadcast for any Valpo basketball game, isn't there?)
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: valpopal on November 10, 2011, 07:27:56 PM
Pomeroy predicts Valpo by 3. Vegas odds have that doubled with Valpo by 6. I will be optimistic and triple Pomeroy, plus we reverse the Arizona score:

Valpo         73
Georgia S.  64
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: agibson on November 10, 2011, 08:06:28 PM
I've forgotten, does Pomeroy mean much of anything at this point?  I think he does pre-populate with something, but is it last season's results?  Or something else?

(Detroit's #2, so maybe it is something a bit meaningful.)

Anyhow, I think they'll mean a lot _more_ in three-four weeks.  And more yet when conference play gets going.

Also, I notice he's going pay!  Not for the main ratings page.  But, for details.  Not yet clear to me which details will cost $$.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: valpotx on November 11, 2011, 01:30:22 AM
Interesting that the GSU women's head coach considers us a 'named program' when commenting on us and Arizona playing there tomorrow (Arizona women vs. GSU).  Good to know that we are considered that in some circles :-)
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: historyman on November 11, 2011, 06:39:48 AM
Quote from: ChadWC on November 10, 2011, 05:24:55 PM
I cannot describe to you in words how much more talented this team is than the one Valpo faced two years ago.  Not saying we are great or will be in the tourney, but based purely on talent alone, this is a much more talented and deeper team.  We were also playing one of our first games in a new system in our last meeting as well.

I probably make us sound like world beaters a little much, but we have some very good players.  This year is about our sophomores taking a step forward to go along with those two seniors in the back court.  Those two guys can play.  If our sophs play like they are capable and our freshman provide depth, we will challenge for the SoCon.  If they are inconsistent, we will probably be a middle of the pack team. 

Quote from: sliman on November 10, 2011, 10:25:23 AM
The Willie Powers mentioned by ChadWC scored 27 for Georgia Southern in a hard-fought win for Valpo there two years ago.  To view this as an easy win is to underestimate them.

Thanks, ChadWC! That was a very fair and "balanced" report on your team. I'm not sure all our posters would be so evenly handed if they were reporting on Valpo on Georgia Southern's website. We got some posters that are all rosy and everything is great and others that go way beyond critical but help balance out the board. Take each comment with a grain of salt as you would on any board.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: vu72 on November 11, 2011, 09:31:22 AM
you mean the post about us going to the final 4?  Sounds like we will have our hands full.  Probably full court pressure as well.  Hope Tommy, Will and Erik can handle the heat.  We will need to shoot well to win.  Rather beat a team with expectations of a good season than one who finishes in the bottom of their conference.  Will help us get a higher seed!

For those with no sense of humor, I'm joking!
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: valpo04 on November 11, 2011, 10:19:10 AM
Just an FYI... to get to the chat room tonight, just go up to the Valpo Fan Zone menu item and it will drop down.  You can select Crusader Chat there.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: wh on November 11, 2011, 10:58:22 AM
Quote from: historyman on November 11, 2011, 06:39:48 AM
Quote from: ChadWC on November 10, 2011, 05:24:55 PM
I cannot describe to you in words how much more talented this team is than the one Valpo faced two years ago.  Not saying we are great or will be in the tourney, but based purely on talent alone, this is a much more talented and deeper team.  We were also playing one of our first games in a new system in our last meeting as well.

I probably make us sound like world beaters a little much, but we have some very good players.  This year is about our sophomores taking a step forward to go along with those two seniors in the back court.  Those two guys can play.  If our sophs play like they are capable and our freshman provide depth, we will challenge for the SoCon.  If they are inconsistent, we will probably be a middle of the pack team. 

Quote from: sliman on November 10, 2011, 10:25:23 AM
The Willie Powers mentioned by ChadWC scored 27 for Georgia Southern in a hard-fought win for Valpo there two years ago.  To view this as an easy win is to underestimate them.

Thanks, ChadWC! That was a very fair and "balanced" report on your team. I'm not sure all our posters would be so evenly handed if they were reporting on Valpo on Georgia Southern's website. We got some posters that are all rosy and everything is great and others that go way beyond critical but help balance out the board. Take each comment with a grain of salt as you would on any board.

Actually, Chad's characterization of his team is full of optimism and positivity.  He even admits that he is probably making his team look like "world beaters" a little too much.  Doesn't that mean he is looking at GS through "rose colored glasses?"  On reexamination you may want to take his post "with a grain of salt."

As to your larger concern about balance on the Valpo board:
Positivity + negativity = balance
Optimism + pessimism = balance
Praise + criticism = balance
Never fear, historyman.  Negative, pessimistic, critical people are everywhere in life to help balance the equation.  I'm sure we will be fine.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: milanmiracle on November 11, 2011, 04:06:49 PM
Just doing my part to make the world a better place  ::)
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: valpotx on November 11, 2011, 07:11:30 PM
You would imagine that you would just pick a way to say Kevin's last name and stick with it...not the case with GSU's radio announcers.  Same with our school name.  Really good first half for Bogan and a few others!!!
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: drewsaders11 on November 11, 2011, 07:17:16 PM
Any word on where Harris has been?
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: letsgovu on November 11, 2011, 07:33:56 PM
Quote from: drewsaders11 on November 11, 2011, 07:17:16 PM
Any word on where Harris has been?

was wondering that as well
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: valpo04 on November 11, 2011, 07:43:46 PM
Quote from: letsgovu on November 11, 2011, 07:33:56 PM
Quote from: drewsaders11 on November 11, 2011, 07:17:16 PM
Any word on where Harris has been?

was wondering that as well

According to a user in the chat room, he is attending his sister's wedding.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: agibson on November 11, 2011, 08:00:17 PM
Anyone care to give an update?  The chat room doesn't seem iPod friendly, can't even find the link.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: Pgmado on November 11, 2011, 08:02:17 PM
Valpo up 58-47 with 11:50 left. Bogan, Buggs and Van Wijk all have four fouls. Vucic time perhaps!
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: agibson on November 11, 2011, 08:03:58 PM
Thanks!  Go Valpo - time to find your inner depth.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: valpofan56 on November 11, 2011, 09:03:41 PM
Looks like our friend ChadWC is not only a sore loser, but also a moron.  Here's his quote on GSU's message board:

"That Valpo team is awful. Count me as concerned."

Awful huh? What does that make the team that lost to us at home?  What on earth has Valpo done this year that would make you think they're awful? Lost to Arizona in Tucson by 9? Looks like we had another awful night shooting from outside and yet were still able to easily beat GSU.  Shove it Chad!
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: vu72 on November 11, 2011, 09:18:50 PM
And, we did it with 8 scholarship players.  Poor Chad has no idea what we could have done with everyone eligible.  Oh well, Georgia Southern is an athletic team with some nice players.  Hope they win a bunch of games this year!
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: valpopal on November 11, 2011, 10:18:42 PM
Nice to see Bryce get his first official win. Also, good to see the scoring by Bogans, as well as the near double-double by Edwards. The 3-point shooting was awful (21%), while the two-point baskets were an amazing 74%. It appears Edwards (0-4) would usually do better to pass up the three, but Ryan also was only 1-6 from beyond the arc. Yet, Ryan knows how to contribute even when he has an off night shooting by still scoring 22 and grabbing 13 rebounds. Nice to see 5 players score in double figures, and Buggs just missed with 9 only because he shot 5-11 from the free throw line: better than last year, but needs to continue to improve.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: valpotx on November 11, 2011, 10:59:43 PM
Just a better team/school than GSU, which must make him mad.  We should have beat that team by 15-20 if we would have had more than a 3 person bench.  Chad is very lucky we played like crap in spurts, otherwise this would have been ugly. 
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: govalpogo on November 11, 2011, 11:11:27 PM
He seemed like a very even-headed individual in his posts above.  Anyway, I had the pleasure of joining the Cameron Crazies for Duke's home opener against a Belmont team that really played their hearts out and made a potential blow out one thrilling game of basketball.  What an atmosphere!  And not that much bigger than the ARC either.  There is so much potential for Valpo to have a top 10 atmosphere once again!  But I digress...

Very happy to see a win in any shape or form!  And 90 points with 8 players and only 4 three pointers!?! I didn't see the game, but that seems very impressive to me.  Great potential in this team over the next two years!  Let's take care of business against Holy Cross
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: ChadWC on November 11, 2011, 11:49:20 PM
Apologies for the comment.  Was posting from my phone walking out of Hanner with two season's worth of frustrations boiling over. 

Who wouldn't be after watching a team who we were infinitely more athletic than, kill us on the boards, out hustle us, all while playing 7 guys.  Everytime we made a run, we made some boneheaded mistake like stepping on the out of bounds line, throwing up an errant or rushed shot, and do something to kill ourselves.  We missed Sam Mike, one of our returning post guys.  Hes more of a defense and rebounding player.  Man we could have used those rebounds tonight.

We are young.  Eagle fans have to keep telling ourselves that.  You started more upper classmen than we have on our entire team.  Our freshman post players got welcomed to division 1 basketball tonight.  They got pushed around.  Hopefully we learn and get better.  We better do it fast with games at Wake Forest, SMU, Auburn, and South Florida coming up. 

Again, my comment was ill advised.  I hope you are a great team and our 9 point loss doesn't look bad. 
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: drewsaders11 on November 12, 2011, 12:07:12 AM
If GS is returning as many freshman as you say they are, I would almost say that we are less experienced than your team, to some extent.  About four of our players got good pt last year, but Bogan and Edwards transferred in, and Kurth And Vucic have seen limited playing time prior to this, and most likely will not play too often once Harris, as well as our two players in situational limbo come back.  Just clarifying.  Also, I do hope Georgia Southern has a good year, if not only to help our RPI.  Good luck!

Also, a big win, heading into a non D1 tuneup (lets hope...) before hosting the regional of CVC.  Congrats Bryce, et al!
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: wh on November 12, 2011, 12:13:53 AM
Quote from: ChadWC on November 11, 2011, 11:49:20 PM
Apologies for the comment.  Was posting from my phone walking out of Hanner with two season's worth of frustrations boiling over. 

Who wouldn't be after watching a team who we were infinitely more athletic than, kill us on the boards, out hustle us, all while playing 7 guys.  Everytime we made a run, we made some boneheaded mistake like stepping on the out of bounds line, throwing up an errant or rushed shot, and do something to kill ourselves.  We missed Sam Mike, one of our returning post guys.  Hes more of a defense and rebounding player.  Man we could have used those rebounds tonight.

We are young.  Eagle fans have to keep telling ourselves that.  You started more upper classmen than we have on our entire team.  Our freshman post players got welcomed to division 1 basketball tonight.  They got pushed around.  Hopefully we learn and get better.  We better do it fast with games at Wake Forest, SMU, Auburn, and South Florida coming up. 

Again, my comment was ill advised.  I hope you are a great team and our 9 point loss doesn't look bad. 

No big deal, Chad.  I like fans with passion.  Good luck to your guys the rest of the way. 
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: valpotx on November 12, 2011, 12:14:44 AM
If you are infinitely more athletic than us, you would have gotten the rebounds we got...I understand your frustration in losing, but there comes a time where you just admit the other team was better and stop making excuses.  We lost to Arizona because they are a better team/program overall, and we beat GSU because we are a better team/program.  We lost a lot from last year in 60% of our scoring & 40%+ rebounding, so saying you have FR/SO can't be an excuse against us.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: wh on November 12, 2011, 12:31:48 AM
I had a big community event tonight, so I'm just now catching up.  It's very encouraging to see that Will Bogan had a big offensive game - 8-12 FG, 19 pts.  It is hugely important to have a 2 that can score.  As he continues to get more comfortable, it looks like he could be a real difference maker.  Boy, he fell into our laps at just the right time with Brandon leaving.  Ryan Broekhoff - 13-16 FT's, 13 rebounds.  That is a huge game on the boards. You gotta love Ryan.  He can do it all.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: historyman on November 12, 2011, 01:51:21 AM
Quote from: agibson on November 11, 2011, 08:03:58 PM
Thanks!  Go Valpo - time to find your inner depth.

I think this Valpo team showed a lot of inner depth at the end of this game on the road. Despite shooting so poorly from beyond the arc they were able to make a very high percentage of 2 point field goals and control the boards to pull out the win on the road. Never too easy of a task. I'm impressed at how Bryce has pulled together this group and they are already playing like a cohesive team.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: vuweathernerd on November 12, 2011, 06:26:42 AM
another poor perimeter game. we need to fix that up pretty quick to be successful. we won't win anything close to 20 games this year if we keep shooting so badly from outside.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: vu84v2 on November 12, 2011, 06:53:21 AM
Saw on the Northwest Times website that Harris stayed home to attend his sister's wedding. 

Looks like as posters we had the classic basketball venues covered.  I was at the Kansas game last night.  Amazing environment, though not close to as good a game as the Duke-Belmont game.  Towson was down 20 after five minutes.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: lowposter on November 12, 2011, 07:15:12 AM
You think Cameron Witt wouldnt look kinda good in uniform these days?

Good win on the road.
\lowposter
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: dylanrocks on November 12, 2011, 08:05:02 AM
Quote from: ChadWC on November 11, 2011, 11:49:20 PMHopefully we learn and get better.  We better do it fast with games at Wake Forest, SMU, Auburn, and South Florida coming up. 

Who says that any of those schools are better than Valpo this year?

Small-conference thinking.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: valpofan56 on November 12, 2011, 08:36:47 AM
Quote from: dylanrocks on November 12, 2011, 08:05:02 AM
Quote from: ChadWC on November 11, 2011, 11:49:20 PMHopefully we learn and get better.  We better do it fast with games at Wake Forest, SMU, Auburn, and South Florida coming up. 

Who says that any of those schools are better than Valpo this year?

Small-conference thinking.

I was thinking the same thing, the only team that I would say is likely better than Valpo, sight unseen, is Wake Forest.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: sectionee on November 12, 2011, 08:42:01 AM
http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/11/valpo-vs-georgia-southern-wrap-up-game.html (http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2011/11/valpo-vs-georgia-southern-wrap-up-game.html)
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: milanmiracle on November 12, 2011, 08:48:54 AM
Quote from: vu84v2 on November 12, 2011, 06:53:21 AM
Saw on the Northwest Times website that Harris stayed home to attend his sister's wedding. 

Seriously!?! Wow...
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: vu72 on November 12, 2011, 08:50:39 AM
I find the "infinitely more athletic" an interesting comment.  So what does that mean from a basketball standpoint? In a track meet would they all beat us in the hundred yard dash?  How about the high jump?  Would they kill us?  Athleticism (read quickness, foot speed jumping ability) can be good and bad.

I doubt any of their guys were as quick as Erik or could jump, inch for inch, better than Matt.  Still, it is a team game.  Trying to do too much via athleticism (one on one stuff) can look good on the highlite reel, but seldom win games by itself.

It's a team game and as a team we played much better than GSU.  The coaching is the area that perhaps needs the most improvement as getting all these superior athletes to play as a team will win games, not trying and failing at a slam dunk!   ;)
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: historyman on November 12, 2011, 08:51:56 AM
Quote from: dylanrocks on November 12, 2011, 08:05:02 AM
Quote from: ChadWC on November 11, 2011, 11:49:20 PMHopefully we learn and get better.  We better do it fast with games at Wake Forest, SMU, Auburn, and South Florida coming up. 

Who says that any of those schools are better than Valpo this year?

Small-conference thinking.

Who says he was putting down Valpo or the Horizon League? He mentioned that Georgia Southern is playing WF, SMU, Auburn and SoFL. I would say that each is formidable competition for Ga Sou. Was there any mention that Valpo was not formidable or teams from the Horizon League not being formidable. I think you're reading too much into the comment and shows the inferiority you feel towards those teams that Ga Sou is playing soon.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: valpopal on November 12, 2011, 08:52:51 AM
Quote from: valpopal on November 10, 2011, 07:27:56 PM
Pomeroy predicts Valpo by 3. Vegas odds have that doubled with Valpo by 6. I will be optimistic and triple Pomeroy...

Final: 90-81: Good thing I was optimistic and predicted a 9-point victory, though I didn't expect such high scoring.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: letsgovu on November 12, 2011, 09:28:18 AM
I guess I don't see the point of going on another teams forums and posting stuff, but maybe thats just me.

Had a lot of fun listening to the game despite the announcing of the georgia southern broadcasters.  Was my first experience in the chat, and that definately made the game more enjoyable.

Looking forward to being back in the ARC for next weeks games. 
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: ChadWC on November 12, 2011, 09:37:22 AM
You got the rebounds because you out hustled us and we didn't box out with a flip.  Not to mention our two true bigs got their first taste of division 1 basketball last night.  I think we will be a much better team in 10 games as those bigs get their feet under them.  We won't win a lot of games with 6'6 post players.

Quote from: valpotx on November 12, 2011, 12:14:44 AM
If you are infinitely more athletic than us, you would have gotten the rebounds we got...I understand your frustration in losing, but there comes a time where you just admit the other team was better and stop making excuses.  We lost to Arizona because they are a better team/program overall, and we beat GSU because we are a better team/program.  We lost a lot from last year in 60% of our scoring & 40%+ rebounding, so saying you have FR/SO can't be an excuse against us.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: dylanrocks on November 12, 2011, 09:42:15 AM
All I care about is who had the most thunderdunks.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: StlVUFan on November 12, 2011, 10:08:02 AM
If ChadWC had posted that comment over here on our board, I could understand the reaction better.  He posted it on their forum.  Personally (YMMV) I didn't make too much of it.  Any one of us might have uttered the same thing in his shoes.

And athleticism is only one aspect of basketball, so I see no reason to automatically assume that they *aren't* more athletic than we are.  As you know, no one wins games on athleticism alone.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: agibson on November 12, 2011, 12:02:21 PM
Quote from: letsgovu on November 12, 2011, 09:28:18 AM
I guess I don't see the point of going on another teams forums and posting stuff, but maybe thats just me.

It could go badly, but I think it's good fun.  ChadWC, on our board at least, was the best sort.  Classy, gave us good info about his team (actually correcting some of our mis-perceptions), good spirit, etc.  Keep it coming, I say.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: valporun on November 12, 2011, 12:50:54 PM
ChadWC's insights gave us an idea of what we would be facing, but we didn't know going in that Bryce was playing with about a half a deck in his hand of players available. Some of our hustle may have fallen towards the end because we had a handful of guys who couldn't get too much time off the court because we had no one to back them up. I'm happy that we could mentally outplay them at the end of the game, when we're gassed, and can't make mistakes because we don't have anyone to sub in that could make a difference. The biggest disappointment, and I'm not sure if this is due to eligibility issues or just not good,  was Kevin's fouling out, and not having someone that could have helped keep him out of foul trouble.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: bbtds on November 12, 2011, 01:05:39 PM
I agree that Bryce being able to keep this team from fading at the end of the Georgia Southern game and pulling out the win shows that he will be a great coach and shows he is just what Valpo needed to follow his father as the head coach.
Title: Re: Georgia Southern game: 11/11/11
Post by: FWalum on November 12, 2011, 09:41:52 PM
This game was a disaster waiting to happen.... but it didn't, thanks to some very good coaching, smart play and good stamina from our players. I was extremely happy to get out of there with the W!

As far as the athletic comparison goes, I know that overall they might have appeared more athletic but from a single player standpoint I think Buggs' is the most athletic player on the floor in most games. Even in the Arizona game as the announcers pumped up freshman Josiah Turner as "perhaps the fastest end to end player in the college game" Buggs looked every bit as fast maybe even faster.  Buggs' leaping ability is well documented and perhaps never more on display as when the 5' 11" guard had a put back rebound dunk against North Carolina his freshman year.  Does that make Erik the best basketball player on the floor??? Clearly while Erik is extremely important to this team, especially on the defensive end of the floor, he is not our best basketball player and neither was Georgia Southern the best basketball team on the floor Friday night.