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Title: Conference Rank AdjEM
Post by: Just Sayin on January 25, 2022, 05:14:55 PM
KenPom AdjEM [Adjusted Efficiency Margin (OE-DE)] for games played only in the MVC. If KenPom ranked only these 10 teams rather than 358 teams, this is what his ranking would show to date. Only 6-8 games have been played though depending on the team.


1. Loyola Chicago +12.90
2. Missouri St. +11.00
3. Northern Iowa +7.70
4. Bradley +5.70
5. Drake +2.40
6. Illinois State +1.60
7. So. Illinois -0.50
8. Indiana St. -7.30
9. Valparaiso -9.10
10. Evansville -27.70
Title: Re: Conference Rank in OE, DE, and AdjEM
Post by: Just Sayin on January 29, 2022, 11:12:02 AM
KenPom AdjEM [Adjusted Efficiency Margin (OE-DE)] for games played only in the MVC. If KenPom ranked only these 10 teams rather than 358 teams, this is what his ranking would show to date based on the objective facts of each team's performance.

1. Loyola Chicago +13.3
2. Missouri St. +9.0
3. Northern Iowa +7.9
4. Bradley +7.6
5. Drake +2.2
6. Illinois St. +1.3
7. Southern Illinois -3.5
8. Indiana St. -5.4
9. Valparaiso -10.7
10. Evansville -25.3
Title: Re: Conference Rank AdjEM
Post by: Just Sayin on February 04, 2022, 01:31:37 PM
KenPom AdjEM [Adjusted Efficiency Margin (OE-DE)] for games played only in the MVC. If KenPom ranked only these 10 teams rather than 358 teams, this is what his ranking would show to date based on the objective facts of each team's performance.

Loyola Chicago   11.3
Missouri St.   11.3
Northern Iowa   10.2
Bradley   6.4
Drake   5.7
Southern Illinois   -1.8
Illinois St.   -3.2
Indiana St.   -9.4
Valparaiso   -12.8
Evansville   -24.7
Title: Re: Conference Rank AdjEM
Post by: Just Sayin on February 07, 2022, 11:41:17 AM
KenPom AdjEM [Adjusted Efficiency Margin (OE-DE)] for games played only in the MVC. If KenPom ranked only these 10 teams rather than 358 teams, this is what his ranking would show to date based on the objective facts of each team's performance.

Through Feb 7, 2022

1. Loyola Chicago   11.6
2. Bradley   10.3
3. Northern Iowa   9.8
4. Missouri St.   9.3
5. Drake   4.5
6. Southern Illinois   -0.8
7. Illinois St.   -3.7
8. Indiana St.   -9.4
9. Valparaiso   -10.7
10. Evansville   -27.8
Bradley jumped two places, Missouri State dropped two places.

Last Week:

1. Loyola Chicago   11.3
2. Missouri St.   11.3
3. Northern Iowa   10.2
4. Bradley   6.4
5. Drake   5.7
6. Southern Illinois   -1.8
7. Illinois St.   -3.2
8. Indiana St.   -9.4
9. Valparaiso   -12.8
10. Evansville   -24.7
Title: Re: Conference Rank AdjEM
Post by: Just Sayin on February 12, 2022, 10:36:21 PM
Through 2/12/22

Missouri St.   10.3
Bradley   10.3
Northern Iowa   10.1
Loyola Chicago   9.7
Drake   3.6
Southern Illinois   -1.9
Illinois St.   -3
Indiana St.   -7.5
Valparaiso   -11.3
Evansville   -21.8
Title: Re: Conference Rank AdjEM
Post by: Just Sayin on February 14, 2022, 02:41:41 PM
Through 2/13 after Loyola spanked N. Iowa (https://c.tenor.com/9gbD-P7sis8AAAAC/tom-and-jerry-funny-cats.gif)
Loyola Chicago   12.2
Bradley   10.6
Missouri St.   10.3
Northern Iowa   6.6
Drake   2.4
Southern Illinois   (0.9)
Illinois St.   (3.0)
Indiana St.   (7.5)
Valparaiso   (11.3)
Evansville   (20.9)
Title: Re: Conference Rank AdjEM
Post by: valpo64 on February 15, 2022, 02:08:39 PM
Where does the MVC stand as far as over-all strength of the conferences?  Is there a published ranking?
Title: Re: Conference Rank AdjEM
Post by: Just Sayin on February 15, 2022, 03:46:23 PM
QuoteQuote from: valpo64 on Today at 02:08:39 PM
Where does the MVC stand as far as over-all strength of the conferences?  Is there a published ranking?


Pomeroy:
Ranking of conferences by AdjEM of team that's expected to go .500 in conference play


1.   Big 12 Conference   18.01
2   Southeastern Conference   14.31
3   Big Ten Conference   14.06
4   Big East Conference   12.47
5   Atlantic Coast Conference   9.34
6   Pac 12 Conference   9.25
7   Mountain West Conference   8.98
8   American Athletic Conference   7.29
9   West Coast Conference   5.64
10   Atlantic 10 Conference   4.17
11   Missouri Valley Conference   3.91
12   Southern Conference   0.52
13   Conference USA   0.07
14   Western Athletic Conference   -1.18
15   Sun Belt Conference   -1.79
16   Colonial Athletic Association   -2.06
17   Big West Conference   -2.92
18   Ivy League   -2.93
19   Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference   -3.36
20   Mid American Conference   -4.47
21   Summit League   -5.69
22   ASUN Conference   -5.83
23   Ohio Valley Conference   -6.57
24   Big Sky Conference   -6.9
25   Big South Conference   -7.06
26   Horizon League   -8.54
27   America East Conference   -9.24
28   Patriot League   -10.55
29   Northeast Conference   -10.95
30   Mid-Eastern Athletic Conference   -11.2
31   Southland Conference   -11.75
32   Southwestern Athletic Conference   -12.32
Title: Re: Conference Rank AdjEM
Post by: Just Sayin on February 15, 2022, 03:59:35 PM
Sagarin:

     CONFERENCE         
   
1   BIG 12
2   BIG TEN
3   SOUTHEASTERN
4   BIG EAST
5   PAC-12
6   ATLANTIC COAST
7   AMER. ATHLETIC
8   MOUNTAIN WEST
9   WEST COAST
10   ATLANTIC 10
11   MISSOURI VALLEY
12   SOUTHERN
13   CONFERENCE USA
14   IVY LEAGUE
15   COLONIAL
16   WESTERN ATHLETIC
17   SUN BELT
18   BIG WEST
19   MAC
20   METRO ATLANTIC
21   BIG SKY
22   ATLANTIC SUN
23   SUMMIT LEAGUE
24   HORIZON
25   BIG SOUTH-S
26   OHIO VALLEY
27   AMERICA EAST
28   BIG SOUTH-N
29   PATRIOT
30   NORTHEAST
31   SOUTHLAND
32   MEAC
33   SOUTHWESTERN


Title: Re: Conference Rank AdjEM
Post by: covufan on February 16, 2022, 08:41:33 AM
Ouch to Horizon and Ohio Valley


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Title: Re: Conference Rank AdjEM
Post by: vu84v2 on February 16, 2022, 09:48:19 AM
I use collegebasketballreference.com, but the results on conference strength, not surprisingly, are very similar.

A few interesting takeaways:
-The ACC is really down (note that most bracket projections have them getting only three teams in the NCAA tournament).
-The WAC is really up. New Mexico State (who is leaving) and Grand Canyon drive part of this, but other teams (Seattle, Utah Valley and usc4valpo's beloved SFA) also drive this. If they took out Chicago State and Lamar, they would probably be in the top 12.
Title: Re: Conference Rank AdjEM
Post by: vu72 on February 16, 2022, 11:17:55 AM
Quote from: Just Sayin on February 15, 2022, 03:59:35 PM
Sagarin:

     CONFERENCE         
   
1   BIG 12
2   BIG TEN
3   SOUTHEASTERN
4   BIG EAST
5   PAC-12
6   ATLANTIC COAST
7   AMER. ATHLETIC
8   MOUNTAIN WEST
9   WEST COAST
10   ATLANTIC 10
11   MISSOURI VALLEY
12   SOUTHERN
13   CONFERENCE USA
14   IVY LEAGUE
15   COLONIAL
16   WESTERN ATHLETIC
17   SUN BELT
18   BIG WEST
19   MAC
20   METRO ATLANTIC
21   BIG SKY
22   ATLANTIC SUN
23   SUMMIT LEAGUE
24   HORIZON
25   BIG SOUTH-S
26   OHIO VALLEY
27   AMERICA EAST
28   BIG SOUTH-N
29   PATRIOT
30   NORTHEAST
31   SOUTHLAND
32   MEAC
33   SOUTHWESTERN




Sagarin has Valpo ranked #199 out of 358.  Interestingly, Belmont is ranked #66 and Murray State #70 though playing in the crappy Ohio Valley.  Conversely, UIC is ranked #280!!! :o

As only Loyola--at #37 is ranked above Belmont and Murray (Missouri State is second now at #73) I think it is pretty clear that the addition of these two teams should lift the conference into the top 10
Title: Re: Conference Rank AdjEM
Post by: vu84v2 on February 16, 2022, 01:58:47 PM
Not to mention that the American conference will be losing its top team (Houston) and another who is usually strong (Cincinnati), and the West Coast Conference will be losing one of its stronger teams (BYU).
Title: Re: Conference Rank AdjEM
Post by: Just Sayin on February 16, 2022, 05:08:52 PM
All Conferences TV schedule for their tournament:

https://twitter.com/HeatCheckCBB/status/1494059596981227520

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FLv2hpaUYAIUEOh?format=jpg&name=large)

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Title: Re: Conference Rank AdjEM
Post by: Just Sayin on February 20, 2022, 04:03:04 PM
Through Sunday's Games 2/20/22

Loyola Chicago..   10.00
Bradley..   9.30
Missouri St...   8.00
Northern Iowa..   7.80
Drake..   4.80
Southern Illinois..   0.40
Illinois St.   (3.60)
Indiana St...   (7.80)
Valparaiso..   (8.60)
Evansville..   (22.10)

Title: Re: Conference Rank AdjEM
Post by: vu72 on February 20, 2022, 04:45:27 PM
I wonder whether or not Loyola may ultimately regret the move to the A-10.  From a prestigious standpoint or even a ranking standpoint, the A-10 is just slightly thought of as Higher as confirmed by the Sagarin's ranking them as #10 and the Valley as #11. How that transmits to money would relate to the number of bids/wins in the Tournament.  With the addition of Belmont and Murray, I would thing the Valley actually passes the A-10 yet Loyola is left with significantly higher travel costs for all sports and students with less time in the classroom and more time on airplanes.
Title: Re: Conference Rank AdjEM
Post by: valpo64 on February 21, 2022, 09:49:12 AM
Good point, vu72.  Butler's jump to the Big East has been a bust as far as conference standings go since they joined that Conference.  However perhaps they welcomed the extra payouts from Big East teams in the Big Dance. But their costs of travel have had to increase significantly.  BU's attendance looks like it is down about 20 % this season.  They had hoped that when they joined the Big East they would sell out every game but that sure has not happened.