I've not even been reading the Mid-Major Top 25. Too caught up in the soccer season, perhaps.
I notice that Cleveland State got a bunch of votes (effectively #29) in the AP Top 25 last week, with Butler getting a few, and both teams getting some in the ESPN/USA Today coaches' poll as well.
Even Akron got a vote in the AP poll. (If Duquesne and we weren't enough, they get Detroit next, and Cleveland State soon.)
In last week's mid-major poll (no A10), CSU's 4th (with a first place vote), Butler 9th, Detroit 16th. Green Bay got 4 votes, and Milwaukee and Valpo one a piece. More than sixty teams got at least one vote.
Akron's 12th, with a first place vote. Oaklands' 24th.
Not a poll, exactly. But, I notice Cleveland State has the #1 RPI in the land today.
That won't last, of course. Not that they're only playing cupcakes, but, there's no reason they need to lose before the heart of Horizon League play. Could be a recipe for a decent national ranking. They often seem to have schedules such that, if they win their one really tough game, they can build an extremely impressive W-L record.
From November 21
Record Points Previous
1. Gonzaga (26) 3-0 765 1 West Coast
2. Creighton (2) 4-0 739 2 Missouri Valley
3. Cleveland State (3) 3-0 684 4 Horizon League
4. Harvard 3-0 617 8 Ivy League
5. Belmont 2-2 609 3 Atlantic Sun
6. Kent State 2-0 587 14 Mid-American
7. Iona 2-1 582 6 Metro Atlantic
8. Long Beach State 2-1 506 18 Big West
9. Saint Mary's 2-0 504 11 West Coast
10. Wichita State 2-2 495 5 Missouri Valley
11. Weber State 3-0 376 19 Big Sky
12. UC Santa Barbara 3-0 369 23 Big West
13. Indiana State 3-0 313 20 Missouri Valley
14. Butler 1-2 299 9 Horizon League
15. George Mason 2-2 275 7 Colonial Athletic
16. BYU 2-1 264 15 West Coast
17. Drexel 1-2 216 10 Colonial Athletic
18. Akron 2-2 193 12 Mid-American
19. VCU 2-2 177 13 Colonial Athletic
20. Detroit 2-1 153 16 Horizon League
21. College of Charleston 3-0 144 NR Southern
22. Middle Tennessee 4-1 140 NR Sun Belt
23. Fairfield 2-2 124 17 Metro Atlantic
24. Valparaiso 5-1 111 NR Horizon League
25. Oakland 1-2 81 24 Summit League
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Missouri State 75, Texas San Antonio 74, Evansville 66, Murray State 60, Davidson 59, Old Dominion 59, Northern Iowa 56, North Dakota State 49, Coastal Carolina 35, Norfolk State 27, Bradley 20, Milwaukee 20, Miami 18, Siena 17, Denver 14, Cal State Fullerton 13, Portland 11, Florida Atlantic 10, San Francisco 8, Wagner 8, Princeton 7, Stony Brook 7, Bucknell 6, Presyterian 6, Campbell 5, Oral Roberts 5, Wright State 5, South Dakota State 4, Utah Valley 4, Hofstra 2, East Tennessee State 1, Elon 1.
VOTING PANEL: Jesse Agel (Brown), Casey Alexander (Stetson), Murry Bartow (East Tennessee State), Randy Bennett (St. Mary's), Horace Broadnax (Savannah State), Milan Brown (Holy Cross), Will Brown (Albany), Kermit Davis (Middle Tennessee), Billy Donlon (Wright State), Bruiser Flint (Drexel), James Fox (Davidson), Tyler Geving (Portland State), Mike Gillian (Longwood), Steve Hawkins (Western Michigan), Willie Hayes (Alabama A&M), B.J. Hill (Northern Colorado), Dick Hunsaker (Utah Valley), Greg Kampe (Oakland), Danny Kaspar (Stephen F. Austin), Kerry Keating (Santa Clara), Gregg Marshall (Wichita State), Greg McDermott (Creighton), Tom Moore (Quinnipiac), Jeff Neubauer (Eastern Kentucky), Jimmy Patsos (Loyola MD), Buzz Peterson (UNC Wilmington), Barclay Radebaugh (Charleston Southern), John Shulman (Chattanooga), Brad Stevens (Butler), Jim Woolridge (UC Riverside), Ernie Zeigler (Central Michigan)
From November 28
1. Gonzaga (25) 4-0 762 1 West Coast
2. Creighton (3) 5-0 740 2 Missouri Valley
3. Harvard (3) 6-0 688 4 Ivy League
4. Iona 3-1 614 7 Metro Atlantic
5. Cleveland State 6-1 612 3 Horizon
6. Belmont 2-2 589 5 Atlantic Sun
7. Weber State 4-0 578 11 Big Sky
8. Kent State 2-1 509 6 Mid-American
9. Wichita State 3-2 505 10 Missouri Valley
10. Long Beach State 3-2 492 8 Big West
11. Saint Mary's 3-1 379 9 West Coast
12. Indiana State 6-1 371 13 Missouri Valley
13. UC Santa Barbara 4-1 308 12 Big West
14. Butler 3-3 304 14 Horizon
15. George Mason 4-2 287 15 Colonial Athletic
16. BYU 4-2 266 16 West Coast
17. Drexel 2-2 212 17 Colonial Athletic
18. Akron 3-2 203 18 Mid-American
19. Murray State 7-0 172 NR Ohio Valley
20. VCU 3-3 157 19 Colonial Athletic
21. Oakland 3-2 155 25 Summit
22. Middle Tennessee 6-1 151 22 Sun Belt
23. College of Charleston 5-1 142 21 Southern
24. North Dakota State 6-0 93 NR Summit
25. Missouri State 4-0 79 NR Missouri Valley
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Davidson 78, Denver 78, Northern Iowa 51, Valparaiso 49, Fairfield 47, Milwaukee 46, Detroit 40, Coastal Carolina 36, Texas San Antonio 34, Bucknell 30, Old Dominion 29, Oral Roberts 25, Ohio 23, Norfolk State 16, Santa Clara 16, Cal State Fullerton 14, Evansville 14, Hofstra 12, Loyola MD 12, East Tennessee State 11, Robert Morris 8, Wagner 8, Eastern Illinois 7, Campbell 5, South Dakota State 4, Utah Valley 4, James Madison 3, Lamar 2, Northeastern 2, Albany 1, Vermont 1.
next poll should be up this afternoon or this evening. i'd like to think that we'll recrack the top 25 after our win on saturday.
Yeah - this was me posting the old one before it disappeared. I had some commentary queued in my head, which never got written.
I don't really know what happened last week - did all of the several teams that skipped us have convincing victories? Or did people just decide that it was time for all of the undefeateds to make the poll?
Or, were we paying the price for more-than-just-a-loss to Ohio State?
But, yes, without looking at the other results for teams at the bottom of the poll, I think there's a fair chance that we're back in and Butler slips a bit.
I notice, also, that while Ohio State made up a _little_ ground on Kentucky, a close win over UNC is apparently considered nearly as valuable as a thumping of Duke. Ohio State stays at number 2.
HL Twitter: "Latest Mid-Major Top 25 has Cleveland St. at 5, Valpo No. 22 and Butler 24. Milwaukee collecting votes."
Quote from: valpopal on December 05, 2011, 08:48:16 PM
HL Twitter: "Latest Mid-Major Top 25 has Cleveland St. at 5, Valpo No. 22 and Butler 24. Milwaukee collecting votes."
Butler all the way down to 24, and below us. This I did not see coming. Sometimes the polls are more intuitive than you expect!
December 5
1. Creighton (28) 7-0 772 2 Missouri Valley
2. Harvard (1) 8-0 730 3 Ivy League
3. Iona 6-1 684 4 Metro Atlantic
4. Gonzaga (1) 5-1 676 1 West Coast
5. Cleveland State 8-1 618 5 Horizon
6. Belmont 5-2 599 6 Atlantic Sun
7. Wichita State 5-2 560 9 Missouri Valley
8. Kent State 5-1 504 8 Mid-American
9. Saint Mary's 5-1 493 11 West Coast
10. Murray State (1) 9-0 482 19 Ohio Valley
11. Weber State 5-1 395 7 Big Sky
12. George Mason 6-2 363 15 Colonial Athletic
13. Long Beach State 4-3 344 10 Big West
14. UCSB 4-2 341 13 Big West
15. BYU 6-2 317 16 West Coast
16. Indiana State 6-2 296 12 Missouri Valley
17. Middle Tennessee 8-1 280 22 Sun Belt
18. Oakland 6-2 250 21 Summit
19. College of Charleston 7-1 233 23 Southern
20. VCU 5-3 193 20 Colonial Athletic
21. Northern Iowa 7-1 174 NR Missouri Valley
22. Valparaiso 6-2 121 NR Horizon
23. Davidson 6-1 93 NR Southern
24. Butler 4-4 87 14 Horizon
25. Ohio 5-1 77 NR Mid-American
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Denver 74, Robert Morris 51, Missouri State 27, North Dakota State 26, Akron 21, Campbell 21, Wisconsin Milwaukee 20, Norfolk State 18, Coastal Carolina 17, Loyola 17, Lamar 16, Old Dominion 16, Santa Clara 16, Drexel 15, Fairfield 7, Cal State Bakersfield 5, Oral Roberts 4, South Alabama 4, American 3, Portland State 3, South Dakota State 3, UTSA 2, Toledo 2, Eastern Illinois 1, Elon 1, Norfolk State 1, Utah Valley 1, Yale 1.
Milwaukee will be in there soon enough, they aren't getting enough respect in my opinion.
While the Depaul win was needed for Milwaukee, I think one more win this week will get them closer to 25 ranking.
I look forward to us beating a currently higher ranked Oakland team in a few weeks :-).
From December 12:
1. Creighton (21) 7-1 740 1 Missouri Valley
2. Murray State (5) 10-0 697 10 Ohio Valley
3. Harvard (1) 9-1 693 2 Ivy League
4. Cleveland State (1) 10-1 625 5 Horizon
5. Iona 7-2 593 3 Metro Atlantic
6. Belmont 6-2 581 6 Atlantic Sun
7. Wichita State 7-2 572 7 Missouri Valley
8. Kent State (1) 7-1 568 8 Mid-American
9. Gonzaga (1) 5-2 528 4 West Coast
10. Saint Mary's 5-1 492 9 West Coast
11. Northern Iowa (1) 9-1 454 21 Missouri Valley
12. BYU 8-2 442 15 West Coast
13. Weber State 6-2 329 11 Big Sky
14. UC Santa Barbara 4-2 313 14 Big West
15. George Mason 7-3 294 12 Colonial Athletic
16. Indiana State 7-2 261 16 Missouri Valley
17. College of Charleston 7-1 254 19 Southern
18. Ohio 7-1 230 25 Mid-American
19. Middle Tennessee 9-2 232 17 Sun Belt
20. VCU 6-3 226 20 Colonial Athletic
21. Oakland 6-4 174 18 Summit
22. Long Beach State 4-5 161 13 Big West
23. Denver 6-2 106 NR Sun Belt
24. Loyola (MD) 8-1 79 NR Metro Atlantic
25. Campbell 8-1 64 NR Big South
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Valparaiso 62, Wisconsin Milwaukee 45, Davidson 44, Coastal Carolina 31, Missouri State 25, Robert Morris 24, Lamar 24, Norfolk State 15, Youngstown State 14, South Dakota State 12, Wagner 11, Butler 10, Fairfield 10, Ball State 9, North Dakota State 9, Lehigh 8, Buffalo 5, Drake 5, Elon 3, Oral Roberts 3, Georgia State 2, Akron 1, Columbia 1, Mercer 1, Santa Clara 1, Utah Valley 1, Yale 1.
So, Cleveland State's doing OK at #4. But, the Horizon League is otherwise absent from the top 25. IPFW was enough to boot us out. But, we're knocking on the door.
Valpo #26, Milwaukee #27, Youngstown State #34, Butler #37.
Youngstown State ranked ahead of Butler. Go figure.
Horizon League Power Rankings: Valpo slips to third place this week.
"Valpo, at 1.04 ppp, maintains the only Pomeroy top-100 offense in the League, while CSU, at 0.92 ppp, has the best defensive efficiency (34th nationally)."
http://horizonleaguehoops.com/2011/12/13/power-rankings-week-5-espresso-edition/ (http://horizonleaguehoops.com/2011/12/13/power-rankings-week-5-espresso-edition/)
We are just barely behind the Summit now in conference RPI based on www.realtimerpi.com (http://www.realtimerpi.com). Big difference in SOS as HL is 7th, Summit 24th. Playing and beating some cupcakes seems to be keeping them ahead for now.
Quote from: valpotx on December 21, 2011, 11:41:35 AM
We are just barely behind the Summit now in conference RPI based on www.realtimerpi.com (http://www.realtimerpi.com). Big difference in SOS as HL is 7th, Summit 24th. Playing and beating some cupcakes seems to be keeping them ahead for now.
I'm sure Butler and Detroit losing some higher level games hasn't helped enough to get us going, but just wait until the Summit starts beating themselves up.
HL has now overtaken Summit and is widening the lead with today's games. We went 6-2 on Thursday against some decent overall competition, while Summit went 3-2 against so-so teams.
I'm quite delinquent this season, but here's from January 7.
1. Murray State (28) 16-0 771 1 Ohio Valley
2. Creighton 13-2 723 3 Missouri Valley
3. Gonzaga (3) 13-2 722 4 West Coast
4. Harvard 13-2 657 2 Ivy Leagye
5. Saint Mary's 14-2 638 6 West Coast
6. Iona 13-3 602 7 Metro Atlantic
7. Middle Tennessee 15-2 565 10 Sun Belt
8. Cleveland State 14-3 549 8 Horizon
9. Wichita State 12-3 530 9 Missouri Valley
10. BYU 14-4 458 15 West Coast
11. George Mason 12-4 433 13 Colonial Athletic
12. Ohio 12-3 419 5 Mid-American
13. Kent State 10-4 360 11 Mid-American
14. Davidson 10-4 325 19 Southern
15. Weber State 12-3 323 18 Big Sky
16. Long Beach State 10-6 279 23 Big West
17. Denver 13-3 273 20 Sun Belt
18. College of Charleston 11-4 261 16 Southern
19. Belmont 11-6 168 17 Atlantic Sun
20. Oral Roberts 14-4 163 NR Summit
21. VCU 11-5 138 14 Colonial Athletic
22. Wagner 12-3 132 25 Northeast
23. Indiana State 10-5 97 12 Missouri Valley
24. Missouri State 10-6 88 22 Missouri Valley
25. Northern Iowa 12-4 71 NR Missouri Valley
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: South Dakota State 70, Georgia State 66, Lamar 37, Illinois State 29, Loyola 25, Norfolk State 22, Akron 11, North Dakota State 11, Texas Arlington 11, Robert Morris 10, UC Santa Barbara 10, Old Dominion 9, Milwaukee 6, Buffalo 5, Butler 5, Valparaiso 2, Drexel 1.
January 16.
Cleveland State drops a bit, to 10th. Milwaukee re-enters the poll at 23. Valpo climbs a bit, and is now the highest ranked Horizon League team in the "receiving votes" category.
1. Murray State (31) 18-0 775 1 Ohio Valley
2. Creighton 16-2 735 2 Missouri Valley
3. Saint Mary's 17-2 681 5 West Coast
4. Harvard 15-2 670 4 Ivy League
5. Middle Tennessee 17-2 639 7 Sun Belt
6. Gonzaga 14-3 630 3 West Coast
7. Wichita State 15-3 591 9 Missouri Valley
8. Iona 14-4 533 6 Metro Atlantic
9. BYU 15-4 524 10 West Coast
10. Cleveland State 15-4 497 8 Horizon
11. Long Beach State 12-6 396 16 Big West
12. Davidson 12-4 393 14 Southern
13. Kent State 12-4 391 13 Mid-American
14. George Mason 13-5 363 11 Colonial Athletic
15. Weber State 14-3 336 15 Big Sky
16. Oral Roberts 16-4 289 20 Summit
17. Ohio 13-4 287 12 Mid-American
18. Belmont 12-6 229 19 Atlantic Sun
19. VCU 13-5 226 21 Colonial Athletic
20. Wagner 14-3 161 22 Northeast
21. Denver 14-4 157 17 Sun Belt
22. College of Charleston 12-5 134 18 Southern
23. Milwaukee 13-6 59 NR Horizon
24. Georgia State 13-4 57 NR Colonial Athletic
25. UT-Arlington 11-5 49 NR Southland
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: South Dakota State 46, Akron 45, Norfolk State 31, Drexel 26, Valparaiso 26, Robert Morris 24, Indiana State 22, Northern Iowa 20, North Dakota State 11, UNC Asheville 10, Long Island University 7, Missouri State 7, Coastal Carolina 5, Yale 4, Illinois State 2, Lamar 2, Lehigh 2, Bucknell1, Buffalo 1, Loyola 1.
i really hope the loyola that is receiving votes isn't ours. luckily, there's no shortage of loyolas around the country, so i think we're safe.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on January 17, 2012, 02:45:01 PM
i really hope the loyola that is receiving votes isn't ours. luckily, there's no shortage of loyolas around the country, so i think we're safe.
I think it's safe to say it's not, via CollegeRPI.com:
Loyola (Maryland) Greyhounds (12-5, 5-2)
RPI: 0.5526 - 86
SOS: 0.4798 - 211
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 17, 2012, 02:49:39 PM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on January 17, 2012, 02:45:01 PM
i really hope the loyola that is receiving votes isn't ours. luckily, there's no shortage of loyolas around the country, so i think we're safe.
I think it's safe to say it's not, via CollegeRPI.com:
Loyola (Maryland) Greyhounds (12-5, 5-2)
RPI: 0.5526 - 86
SOS: 0.4798 - 211
It would be nice if the poll noted that it is Loyola (MD).
Quote from: valporun on January 17, 2012, 02:55:53 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on January 17, 2012, 02:49:39 PM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on January 17, 2012, 02:45:01 PM
i really hope the loyola that is receiving votes isn't ours. luckily, there's no shortage of loyolas around the country, so i think we're safe.
I think it's safe to say it's not, via CollegeRPI.com:
Loyola (Maryland) Greyhounds (12-5, 5-2)
RPI: 0.5526 - 86
SOS: 0.4798 - 211
It would be nice if the poll noted that it is Loyola (MD).
Lets keep in mind that this is the same poll that once included "Milwaukee", "UW - Milwaukee", and "Wisconsin Milwaukee" all as recieving votes in one poll.
Two losses on the road (Youngstown State, Cleveland State) is enough to knock Milwaukee out of the top 25, and down to 10 votes. Otherwise, not much change for the Horizon League.
I suppose winning at Cleveland State might get us back into the top 25, proper. Or, a lossless streak, with some losses above us, would probably also work.
From January 23.
1. Murray State (31) 20-0 775 1 Ohio Valley
2. Creighton 18-2 733 2 Missouri Valley
3. Saint Mary's 19-2 692 3 West Coast
4. Harvard 16-2 675 4 Ivy League
5. Middle Tennessee 19-2 640 5 Sun Belt
6. Gonzaga 16-3 627 6 West Coast
7. Wichita State 17-3 598 7 Missouri Valley
8. Iona 15-4 544 8 Metro Atlantic
9. Long Beach State 14-6 499 11 Big West
10. Cleveland State 17-4 486 10 Horizon
11. Davidson 14-4 444 12 Southern
12. BYU 17-5 413 9 West Coast
13. Oral Roberts 18-4 409 16 Summit
14. George Mason 15-5 377 14 Colonial Athletic
15. Weber State 15-3 362 15 Big Sky
16. Ohio 15-4 297 17 Mid-American
17. VCU 15-5 288 19 Colonial Athletic
18. Belmont 13-7 191 18 Atlantic Sun
19. UT-Arlington 15-5 142 25 Southland
20. Drexel 14-5 141 NR Colonial Athletic
21. Long Island 14-6 115 NR Northeast
22. Kent State 12-6 107 13 Mid-American
23. Norfolk State 15-5 106 NR Mid-Eastern Athletic
24. Wagner 15-4 94 20 Northeast
25. Denver 15-5 66 21 Sun Belt
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: South Dakota State 57, Akron 30, Georgia State 22, Valparaiso 22, College of Charleston 17, Northern Iowa 16, Missouri State 14, Bucknell 12, Yale 12, Loyola MD 10, Milwaukee 10, UC-Santa Barbara 8, UNC-Ashville 6, Coastal Carolina 5, Mercer 5, Illinois State 3, Montana 2, Manhattan 1, North Texas 1, Old Dominion 1.
Interesting, we are 2-0 against teams ahead of us in the poll.
From Jan 30
1. Murray State (31) 21-0 775 1 Ohio Valley
2. Creighton 20-2 734 2 Missouri Valley
3. Saint Mary's 21-2 717 3 West Coast
4. Harvard 18-2 665 4 Ivy League
5. Gonzaga 17-3 638 6 West Coast
6. Middle Tennessee 20-3 619 5 Sun Belt
7. Long Beach State 16-6 548 9 Big West
8. Wichita State 18-4 546 7 Missouri Valley
9. Iona 17-5 503 8 Metro Atlantic
10. Cleveland State 18-4 487 10 Horizon
11. Oral Roberts 20-4 480 13 Summit
12. George Mason 18-5 399 14 Colonial Athletic
13. Davidson 15-5 389 11 Southern
14. BYU 18-6 348 12 West Coast
15. VCU 18-5 335 17 Colonial Athletic
16. Ohio 17-4 320 16 Mid-American
17. Weber State 16-4 269 15 Big Sky
18. Belmont 15-7 210 18 Atlantic Sun
19. UT-Arlington 15-5 209 19 Southland
20. Drexel 17-5 142 20 Colonial Athletic
21. Akron 14-7 106 NR Mid-American
22. Kent State 14-6 104 22 Mid-American
23. Long Island 15-7 92 21 Northeast
24. Wagner 17-4 83 24 Northeast
25. Bucknell 17-6 61 NR Patriot
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Denver 56, South Dakota State 49, Loyola MD 44, Manhattan 25, Mercer 24, Norfolk State 22, Valparaiso 13, Northern Iowa 12, UC Santa Barbara 10, Montana 9, UNC-Ashville 8, Stony Brook 5, UTSA 5, Robert Morris 4, Missouri State 3, Illinois State 2, Coastal Carolina 1, College of Charleston 1, Loyola Marymount 1, Saint Francis (NY) 1.
Here's another take on ranking mid-majors: http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-basketball/2012/2/2/2766774/mid-major-top-25-wichita-state-falls-out-of-top-five (http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-basketball/2012/2/2/2766774/mid-major-top-25-wichita-state-falls-out-of-top-five)
Opponents: Cleveland State at 10 and Akron at 20.
And here's the Feb 6 College Insider poll. SDSU gets into the top 25 on the strength of a win over #11 ORU, in South Dakota. Perhaps knocking off #10 Cleveland State, at their place, can have a similar affect on our ranking.
But, mostly, the parity in the Horizon League (or is it the relative weakness?) seems to hurt the league's performance in the poll. We're the only other team, after Cleveland State, even receiving votes.
1. Murray State (31) 23-0 775 1 Ohio Valley
2. Saint Mary's 22-2 740 3 West Coast
3. Creighton 21-3 682 2 Missouri Valley
4. Harvard 20-2 677 4 Ivy League
5. Long Beach State 17-6 606 7 Big West
6. Gonzaga 18-4 599 5 West Coast
7. Middle Tennessee 21-4 587 6 Sun Belt
8. Wichita State 20-4 561 8 Missouri Valley
9. Iona 19-5 514 9 Metro Atlantic
10. Cleveland State 20-4 501 10 Horizon
11. BYU 20-6 426 14 West Coast
12. VCU 20-5 408 15 Colonial Athletic
13. Davidson 17-5 387 13 Southern
14. Oral Roberts 21-5 373 11 Summit
15. George Mason 19-6 333 12 Colonial Athletic
16. Ohio 19-4 316 16 Mid-American
17. Weber State 18-4 294 17 Big Sky
18. Drexel 19-5 199 20 Colonial Athletic
19. Belmont 17-7 177 18 Atlantic Sun
20. UT-Arlington 17-5 172 19 Southland
21. Akron 16-7 114 21 Mid-American
22. South Dakota State 19-6 91 NR Summit
23. Long Island 17-7 86 23 Northeast
24. Wagner 19-4 76 24 Northeast
25. Bucknell 18-6 68 25 Patriot
25. Loyola MD 18-5 68 NR Metro Atlantic
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Kent State 46, Northern Iowa 44, Denver 31, UNC-Asheville 23, Mercer 19, Valparaiso 13, Lehigh 10, Buffalo 9, UC Santa Barbara 8, Montana 7, Coastal Carolina 6, Stony Brook 5, Loyola Marymount 4, Texas San Antonio 2, St. Francis NY 1.
Quote from: agibson on February 08, 2012, 10:16:09 AMBut, mostly, the parity in the Horizon League (or is it the relative weakness?) seems to hurt the league's performance in the poll. We're the only other team, after Cleveland State, even receiving votes.
Murray State is the only Ohio Valley team in the poll or receiving votes. How do you think that makes the rest of the OVC feel about the poll?
Cleveland State is, needless to say, no longer receiving votes in the AP or USA Today polls. I doubt they'll exit the midmajor poll entirely. But, I also doubt that we'll enter it (OK, we might... but I doubt it).
Quote from: agibson on February 13, 2012, 02:20:17 PM
Cleveland State is, needless to say, no longer receiving votes in the AP or USA Today polls. I doubt they'll exit the midmajor poll entirely. But, I also doubt that we'll enter it (OK, we might... but I doubt it).
yeah...the ysu loss kinda hurt us in that regard. :(
I guess beating Cleveland State (again!) gets us some respect after all. Heck, even Butler got a vote.
#27 is, undoubtedly, not our Loyola.
Note that ORU now outranks all Horizon League teams.
1. Murray State (20) 24-1 734 1 Ohio Valley
2. Gonzaga (3) 20-4 724 6 West Coast
3. Long Beach State (3) 19-6 674 5 Big West
4. Saint Mary's (1) 23-3 663 2 West Coast
5. Wichita State (4) 22-4 618 8 Missouri Valley
6. Creighton 21-5 591 3 Missouri Valley
7. Middle Tennessee 23-4 589 7 Sun Belt
8. Harvard 21-3 569 4 Ivy League
9. BYU 21-6 511 11 West Coast
10. Iona 20-6 508 9 Metro Atlantic
11. VCU 22-5 431 12 Colonial Athletic
12. George Mason 21-6 401 15 Colonial Athletic
13. Drexel 21-5 400 18 Colonial Athletic
14. Oral Roberts 23-5 369 14 Summit
15. Cleveland State 20-6 337 10 Horizon
16. Davidson 19-6 324 13 Southern
17. Weber State 20-4 296 17 Big Sky
18. UT-Arlington 19-5 218 20 Southland
19. Belmont 19-7 188 19 Atlantic Sun
20. Akron 18-7 180 21 Mid-American
21. Long Island 19-7 116 23 Northeast
22. Valparaiso 18-9 81 NR Horizon
23. Wagner 21-4 80 24 Northeast
24. Bucknell 20-6 72 25 Patriot
25. Tennessee State 17-10 61 NR Ohio Valley
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Ohio 59, Loyola 51, SD State 40, UNC-Asheville 28, Montana 27, Kent State 26, Mercer 24, Buffalo 9, UC Santa Barbara 8, Coastal Carolina 6, Fairfield 5, Missouri State 5, Stony Brook 5, Illinois State 4, Butler 1, Denver 1, Savannah State 1.
And we are now 3-0 against teams ahead of us in the mid-major poll (and 4-0 against all schools receiving votes).
Quote from: valpo84 on February 13, 2012, 09:04:06 PM
And we are now 3-0 against teams ahead of us in the mid-major poll (and 4-0 against all schools receiving votes).
I see Cleveland State and Akron, but I don't see number 3.
Quote from: StlVUFan on February 13, 2012, 11:55:13 PM
Quote from: valpo84 on February 13, 2012, 09:04:06 PM
And we are now 3-0 against teams ahead of us in the mid-major poll (and 4-0 against all schools receiving votes).
I see Cleveland State and Akron, but I don't see number 3.
Cleveland State twice?
Quote from: valpo04 on February 14, 2012, 06:17:04 AM
Quote from: StlVUFan on February 13, 2012, 11:55:13 PM
Quote from: valpo84 on February 13, 2012, 09:04:06 PM
And we are now 3-0 against teams ahead of us in the mid-major poll (and 4-0 against all schools receiving votes).
I see Cleveland State and Akron, but I don't see number 3.
Cleveland State twice?
Oh yeah ;D :-[ :lol:
Quote from: valpo84 on February 13, 2012, 09:04:06 PM
And we are now 3-0 against teams ahead of us in the mid-major poll (and 4-0 against all schools receiving votes).
And we have more losses than everyone above us in the poll.
ESPN's take:
The Mid-major Power 15
(MWC, A-10 and C-USA are not included)
1. Wichita State: Can't understand how this team failed to crack the latest coaches' poll.
2. Saint Mary's: Loss at Gonzaga stopped Gaels from running away with WCC title.
3. Long Beach State: Monson's squad is 12-0 in the Big West and faces Creighton this week.
4. BYU: New kid on the block still in WCC fight with 9-3 record and second matchup versus Zags coming.
5. Gonzaga: Bulldogs' reign over WCC ending? Not so fast.
6. Murray State: It was bound to happen at some point. First loss might take pressure off.
7. VCU: Shaka Smart's team has won 11 in a row but has a tough week ahead.
8. George Mason: Paul Hewitt's new team entered the week in a three-way tie for first in CAA.
9. Drexel: This CAA squad has won 13 in a row. Forgive me for overlooking Dragons in past polls.
10. Harvard: Amaker's squad suffered its first Ivy League loss against nemesis Princeton.
11.Creighton: The Bluejays' success story has taken a hit with three straight losses.
12. Valparaiso: The Crusaders beat Cleveland State on the road last week and sit atop the Horizon.
13. Oral Roberts: The Golden Eagles are in complete control of the Summitt League.
14. Middle Tennessee State: The Blue Raiders have gotten back on track since a loss to Denver.
15. Loyola (Md.): Missed chance to seize first place in MAAC with Sunday loss to Fairfield.
Interesting!
The whole article's at
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7573300/mid-major-report-taking-pulse-league-races-college-basketball (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7573300/mid-major-report-taking-pulse-league-races-college-basketball)
I love that not only are we ahead of ORU in this one, but that it shows the relevance of our old conference in that the name is misspelled ;D
On a win against Milwaukee, and a loss to LMU, we drop to 24.
On a loss at Milwaukee and a pasting by Drexel, Cleveland State drops out of the poll to 26th. (Drexel climbs from 13 to 9.)
That's right, the Summit League has two teams in the poll. Both ahead of us, the lone Horizon League entrant. In the "receiving votes" category, Butler's picked up a few more and Detroit now has one (both coming off two wins, including the Bracketbuster). Apparently we went 7-3 in the Bracketbuster. But, still.... the Ivy League's ahead of us in RPI?
1. Murray State (23) 26-1 763 1 Ohio Valley
2. Wichita State(7) 24-4 745 5 Missouri Valley
3. Creighton 23-5 665 6 Missouri Valley
4. Gonzaga 21-5 655 2 West Coast
5. Middle Tennessee 24-4 639 7 Sun Belt
6. Long Beach State 19-7 602 3 Big West
7. Harvard 23-3 576 8 Ivy League
8. Saint Mary's 23-5 556 4 West Coast
9. Drexel 23-5 506 13 Colonial Athletic
10. Iona 22-6 463 10 Metro Atlantic
11. Oral Roberts (1) 25-5 452 14 Summit
12. George Mason 23-5 419 12 Colonial Athletic
13. BYU 23-6 412 9 West Coast
14. VCU 23-6 395 11 Colonial Athletic
15. Weber State 22-4 371 17 Big Sky
16. Belmont 21-7 261 19 Atlantic Sun
17. Davidson 20-7 247 16 Southern
18. Montana 20-6 191 NR Big Sky
19. UT-Arlington 20-6 189 18 Southland
20. Long Island 21-7 141 21 Northeast
21. Wagner 23-4 137 23 Northeast
22. Akron 19-8 125 20 Mid-American
23. South Dakota State 22-7 93 NR Summit
24. Valparaiso 19-10 84 22 Horizon
25. Tennessee State 19-10 83 25 Ohio Valley
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Cleveland State 79, Ohio 65, Loyola Marymount 30, Denver 24, Kent State 22, Lehigh 13, Bucknell 12, Butler 8, Old Dominion 8, UC Santa Barbara 8, Vermont 8, Mercer 4, Stony Brook 4, USC Upstate 4, Buffalo 3, Cal State Fullerton 2, Loyola MD 2, San Francisco 2, UNC-Ashville 2, Detroit 1, Illinois State 1, Mississippi Valley State 1, Savannah State 1, Utah Valley State 1.
We have 10 losses and really don't deserve to be any higher then 24 in my opinion.
Quote from: sectionee on February 20, 2012, 09:54:31 PMWe have 10 losses and really don't deserve to be any higher then 24 in my opinion.
Agree. Not only the number of losses, but who we lost them to....IUPUI, IPFW, ect
Wow, we are the only Horizon league team in the top 25!
The HL is ahead of the Ivy and Summit. Back to our rightful spot between 10-13 as a conference.
1 Big Ten 0.5858 0.5751 1 12
2 Big East 0.5747 0.5682 2 16
3 Big 12 0.5721 0.5622 4 10
4 Southeastern 0.5705 0.5626 3 12
5 Mountain West 0.5670 0.5431 6 8
6 Atlantic Coast 0.5624 0.5600 5 12
7 Atlantic 10 0.5427 0.5360 7 14
8 Missouri Valley 0.5343 0.5332 8 10
9 Conference USA 0.5325 0.5330 9 12
10 Pacific-12 0.5248 0.5295 10 12
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11 West Coast 0.5170 0.5191 11 9
12 Western Athletic 0.5043 0.5001 13 8
13 Horizon League 0.5012 0.5008 12 10
14 Ivy League 0.4986 0.4960 14 8
15 Colonial Athletic 0.4937 0.4922 15 12
16 Mid-American 0.4882 0.4880 17 12
17 Summit 0.4867 0.4811 19 10
18 Metro Atlantic Athletic 0.4841 0.4836 18 10
19 Sun Belt 0.4835 0.4915 16 12
20 Atlantic Sun 0.4786 0.4768 20 10
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21 Ohio Valley 0.4745 0.4746 21 11
22 Patriot League 0.4726 0.4605 26 8
23 Southern 0.4656 0.4719 22 12
24 Big West 0.4625 0.4637 23 9
25 Northeast 0.4607 0.4630 24 12
26 Big Sky 0.4594 0.4614 25 9
27 Southland 0.4518 0.4548 27 12
28 Big South 0.4509 0.4514 28 11
29 America East 0.4346 0.4360 31 9
30 Mid-Eastern 0.4309 0.4428 30 13
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31 Independents 0.4181 0.4458 29 9
32 Southwestern Athletic 0.4053 0.4230 32 10
The teams in the Summit have improved over the last few years. We should try to continue our series with IUPUI, IPFW and Oakland - hopefully with better results in the coming years.
The Dakota schools are really helping the Summit, as well as Centenary dropping to D-3, and SUU leaving next year for the Big Sky. ORU leaving for the Southland will not help though.
Interesting article on mid-majors below.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7596308/mid-major-schools-big-potential-ncaa-tournament-men-college-basketball (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/7596308/mid-major-schools-big-potential-ncaa-tournament-men-college-basketball)
Quote from: valpotx on February 21, 2012, 01:55:24 AMThe HL is ahead of the Ivy and Summit. Back to our rightful spot between 10-13 as a conference.
What's your source? WarrenNolan and RealTimeRPI both have the Ivy a nose above the Horizon. WarrenNolan did last night as well. At the moment, they both have the Ivy at 0.4987 but disagree about the Horizon: 0.4982 vs. 0.4985.
That was what they were last night on RealTimeRPI. It must have changed this morning.
So much for "real time" ;) (In fact, if memory serves, you have to pay for their up-to-the minute service? Otherwise it updates daily? Sometimes Warren Nolan is faster.)
I don't know that there's a common database of games. And, I've certainly seen people make mistakes about neutral vs. home sites, etc. that can make small differences even when the clocks are synchronized.
Valpo makes it to #20, just ahead of South Dakota State. Why did Montana jump so high last week, anyhow?
Cleveland State and Detroit receiving votes.
Feb 27
1. Murray State (21) 28-1 759 1 Ohio Valley
2. Wichita State(9) 26-4 749 2 Missouri Valley
3. Creighton 25-5 679 3 Missouri Valley
4. Gonzaga 23-5 669 4 West Coast
5. Long Beach State 21-7 624 6 Big West
6. Saint Mary's 25-5 614 8 West Coast
7. Drexel 25-5 545 9 Colonial Athletic
8. Middle Tennessee 25-5 536 5 Sun Belt
9. Iona 24-6 500 10 Metro Atlantic
10. Harvard 24-4 482 7 Ivy League
11. Oral Roberts (1) 26-5 473 11 Summit
12. VCU 25-6 470 14 Colonial Athletic
13. Weber State 23-4 399 15 Big Sky
14. BYU 24-7 384 13 West Coast
15. Belmont 24-7 332 16 Atlantic Sun
16. George Mason 23-8 279 12 Colonial Athletic
17. Davidson 22-7 278 17 Southern
18. Montana 22-6 222 18 Big Sky
19. UT-Arlington 22-6 217 19 Southland
20. Valparaiso 21-10 163 24 Horizon
21. South Dakota State 24-7 113 23 Summit
22. Ohio 23-6 107 NR Mid-American
23. Akron 20-9 102 22 Mid-American
24. Long Island 22-8 62 20 Northeast
25. Wagner 24-5 57 21 Northeast
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Cleveland State 43, Penn 43, Denver 35, Bucknell 25, Detroit 21, Tennessee State 19, Loyola Marymount 10, Northern Iowa 10, USC Upstate 10, Loyola MD 9, Lehigh 5, Savannah State 5, Kent State 4, Mississippi Valley 4, Buffalo 3, Mercer 3, Georgia State 2, Old Dominion 2, UNC-Ashville 2, Utah Valley State 2, Oakland 1, Stony Brook 1, UC-Santa Barbara 1.
Oh, and ORU picked up a first place vote!
Thrashing Butler didn't do too much for us. Up one spot to number 19. But, the rest of the League is now receiving a total of only 14 votes.
1. Murray State (30) 30-1 772 1 Ohio Valley
2. Creighton (1) 28-5 742 3 Missouri Valley
3. Wichita State 27-5 706 2 Missouri Valley
4. Gonzaga 25-5 683 4 West Coast
5. Saint Mary's 26-5 652 6 West Coast
6. Drexel 27-5 607 7 Colonial Athletic
7. VCU 27-6 576 12 Colonial Athletic
8. Long Beach State 22-8 562 5 Big West
9. Oral Roberts 27-5 530 11 Summit
10. Harvard 26-4 502 10 Ivy League
11. Middle Tennessee 25-6 449 8 Sun Belt
12. Iona 25-7 426 9 Metro Atlantic
13. Belmont 27-7 411 15 Atlantic Sun
14. Montana 23-6 324 18 Big Sky
15. Weber State 23-5 315 13 Big Sky
16. Davidson 24-7 300 17 Southern
17. BYU 25-8 295 14 West Coast
18. George Mason 24-9 234 16 Colonial Athletic
19. Valparaiso 22-10 204 20 Horizon
20. South Dakota State 25-7 124 21 Summit
21. UT-Arlington 23-7 122 19 Southland
22. Long Island 24-8 102 24 Northeast
23. Loyola MD 23-8 77 NR Metro Atlantic
24. Ohio 24-7 73 22 Mid-American
25. Akron 21-10 60 23 Mid-American
OTHERS RECEIVING VOTES: Denver 46, Penn 44, Wagner 43, Illinois State 31, Buffalo 8, Cleveland State 5, Detroit 5, Robert Morris 5, Tennessee State 5, UNC-Ashville 5, Bucknell 4, Butler 4, Cal State Fullerton 4, Savannah State 4, Stony Brook 4, Loyola Marymount 3, Northern Iowa 3, USC Upstate 2, Fairfield 1, Lamar 1, Lehigh 1, Vermont 1.
If Valpo wins tonight and S. Dakota St. beats Western Illinois, after ORU's loss and Davidson's barely beating WCU, I think Valpo could be up around 9 or 10 after tonight with SDSU right behind them.
These voters are pretty stingy with the upward mobility. I'd be very surprised if we moved more than five places.
Quote from: agibson on March 06, 2012, 07:35:38 PM
These voters are pretty stingy with the upward mobility. I'd be very surprised if we moved more than five places.
I think you were correct. :( Unfortunately Valpo will get the yank down with the loss to Detroit at home instead of the push up.
It's likely. But, we might still hang around in the poll. #25?