Let's make it 2 in a row against an old HL foe. We're 3 point favorites at home.
Valpo 72
UIC 67
Valpo has a chance to establish a winning streak in Valley play (I think two wins are the minimum to be considered a 'streak").
I look forward to an entertaining matchup between two 1-7 teams.
Do the curtains come down tonight?
Another win tonight might help bolster my interest.
Quote from: AB on January 17, 2023, 12:12:47 PMDo the curtains come down tonight?
They probably could but likely won't. Maybe UIC brings a couple fans and we hit 1400? I was thinking about attending but found
an excuse something else that needs my participation.
What curtains?
4 minutes b4 start time, there can't be 500 people here. Valpo student band showed up tonight though.
Yes all 7 members showed up :thewave:
We've got an opportunity to win...can we execute late in the game ?!?
Feels nice to win! Good job Valpo.
Hope I'm not speaking too soon, but it looks like there are not one, but two teams more terrible than us in the MVC. How about that.
A win is a win. Two sub par teams battling. Nick Edwards is still fun to watch, despite his limitations. Not sure what was quieter tonight. The library or the Arc. Bring on Redbirds.
We are on a winning streak.
Give a big shout out to the student section wearing their black gold rush tees! They were standing the entire game!!!! 👏 👏 👏 :thumbsup: 👏 👏 👏
Do we have ourselves a little MVC winning streak??!!!!
I went 1-1 and ate the juice the bet valpo first half fade them second half. Overall I'm well into profit based on this system.
I thought we played a solid game and won as we should have. Shooting was WAY better from the 3, going off at 45%! 14 assists to only 8 turnovers. Solid performance.
Now I am starting to get worried that the Valpo leaders will believe all is well after 2 wins over ham and eggers. This has happened before in our commitment to mediocrity.
January Attendance:
1/1 1409
1/4 915 :o
1/10 1543
1/17 1850
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 18, 2023, 09:51:27 AM
Now I am starting to get worried that the Valpo leaders will believe all is well after 2 wins over ham and eggers. This has happened before in our commitment to mediocrity.
The over/under on this type of post was 24 hours. Those who bet under are the winners.
Gotta be honest - Valpo May be satisfied. This behavior has been typical at Valpo.
There are no easy wins in the MVC, so happy with the W.
Even if we win every game left on the schedule, we finish 13-7 in conference and would still be probably be a 4-6 seed. That's still not good enough IMO given. But more likely, best case scenario is more like 6 more wins, putting us at 8-12 in conference. Certainly that SHOULD warrant a move.
But like all have said, financials, apathy, and the like may give us a lame duck year next year.
Over the years the book on Matt Lottich on this board is that he is a good recruiter but a poor coach. In general the hope has always been that his coaching would rise to the level of his recruiting. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the opposite has occurred.
Think back to the '19-20 roster that played in the tournament championship game. Javon, Ryan Fazekas, John Kiser, then freshmen Donovan Clay and Ben Krikke, Eron Gordon, Nick Robinson, Mileek McMillian. Other than Ben and Kobe, who on this year's team would even sniff the court on that '19-20 team? That's how far the talent level has fallen off in only 3 seasons.
So where will we be next year? No Ben, no Kobe, no Edwards, no Green. What's left is closer to a D-2 roster than a competitive high mid major roster. Beyond that we have two 2-star commits and whoever they can pluck from the portal, which is now apparently limited to former D-2 players. Unless something changes, next year's team will likely be Matt's worst yet.
I like Matt personally, but the program is in free fall in every dimension. I'll leave it to the AD and President to figure out what to do about it, but "we have a problem, Houston" comes to mind in describing the gravity of the current situation.
Just want to note here that Ben Krikke has an additional year of eligibility. It's not a foregone conclusion that he's gone.
Quote from: Pgmado on January 18, 2023, 02:08:07 PM
Just want to note here that Ben Krikke has an additional year of eligibility. It's not a foregone conclusion that he's gone.
Well, he could transfer to a better team with a better coach. Wouldn't blame him if he did.
Very interesting!
If Matt Lottich stays does Ben stay?
If Lottich goes does Ben go?
If the Beacons continue to loose does Ben leave?
Does Ben get the itch to play on a more competitive winning team?
Or does Ben continue to be the big fish in a little pond? ???
Quote from: wh on January 18, 2023, 01:41:45 PM
Over the years the book on Matt Lottich on this board is that he is a good recruiter but a poor coach. I'm general the hope has always been that his coaching would rise to the level of his recruiting. Unfortunately, I'm afraid that the opposite has occurred.
Think back to the '19-20 roster that played in the tournament championship game. Javon, Ryan Fazekas, John Kiser, then freshmen Donovan Clay and Ben Krikke, Eron Gordon, Nick Robinson, Mileek McMillian. Other than Ben and Kobe, who on this year's team would even sniff the court on that '19-20 team? That's how far the talent level has fallen off in only 3 seasons.
So where will we be next year? No Ben, no Kobe, no Edwards, no Green. What's left is closer to a D-2 roster than a competitive high mid major roster. Beyond that we have two 2-star commits and whoever they can pluck from the portal, which is now apparently limited to former D-2 players. Unless something changes, next year's team will likely be Matt's worst yet.
I like Matt personally, but the program is in free fall in every dimension. I'll leave it to the AD and President to figure out what to do about it, but "we have a problem, Houston" comes to mind in describing the gravity of the current situation.
I'm not sure that I buy the theory that he's a good recruiter, either. While he's lost more than a fair share of players to transfer, it's not like he's replacing them with better talent (either through HS or the portal).
Quote from: wh on January 18, 2023, 01:41:45 PMwe have two 2-star commits and whoever they can pluck from the portal
Actually there are three signees.
https://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2022-23/21657/valpo-mens-basketball-inks-trio-to-nlis/
As for Ben leaving, who knows. It has been reported that he is in a relationship with a Volleyball player who will be back so there's that.
Of the new recruits, Zane Doughty amy be the best. he is a 6'9" center, who is the leading scorer 13.3 ppg, rebounder, 9.3 and shot blocker, 3.1, for Ben Davis, Indiana's top ranked,undefeated Big school team.
I'm pulling for the team to finish the season respectably. If this cloaks an obvious need for change, then those making the decisions need to look deeper.
Just this month, we've seen one P5 player arrested for capital murder (Darius Miles, Alabama) and one P5 head coach dismissed following domestic violence allegations (Chris Beard, Texas). And even beyond those exceptional examples, big time D1 MBB can give off a bad smell.
VU doesn't have to worry about such stuff with its head coach and players. While only a miraculous remainder of the regular season and a post-season run would justify sticking with the status quo, I hope that everyone on the team can finish up with heads held high. As I've said before, character counts, or at least it should.
Yay, we won't go 1-19 in MVC play!
Krikke should go pro after the season. You never know what can happen in athletics, so he should strike while his stock is high.
Quote from: David81 on January 18, 2023, 11:21:08 PM
I'm pulling for the team to finish the season respectably. If this cloaks an obvious need for change, then those making the decisions need to look deeper.
Just this month, we've seen one P5 player arrested for capital murder (Darius Miles, Alabama) and one P5 head coach dismissed following domestic violence allegations (Chris Beard, Texas). And even beyond those exceptional examples, big time D1 MBB can give off a bad smell.
VU doesn't have to worry about such stuff with its head coach and players. While only a miraculous remainder of the regular season and a post-season run would justify sticking with the status quo, I hope that everyone on the team can finish up with heads held high. As I've said before, character counts, or at least it should.
Being reminded that becoming a perpetual bottom feeder in your league is preferable to murder and domestic violence, while undeniable, doesn't bring me much comfort about where we are right now.
81, that's great but that sounds so Valpo. Character is always imperative, but that should not justify performance. If a student makes it to class on time everyday but cannot comprehend the material, does that suffice for a passing grade?
Ah, c'mon, some of youse guys are missing the point. :) Character + winning would be the best combo, of course. And in no way do I suggest that we should be happy with a losing team simply because they happen to be decent human beings.
But I'm also well aware of the problems that do crop up at other schools, because they're willing to compromise on certain standards in order to maximize their chances of winning. So even during a bad run of seasons that appear to be leading to some major changes soon, we can at least wish this team well down the home stretch.
That doesn't change the sense of urgency that many of us feel in terms of the challenges of turning this program around. By tip-off time next fall, we'll have a pretty darn good idea of how the current University leadership regards the men's basketball program.
Thanks 81, my concern is evaluating just on character. Valpo has consistently been over patient and forgiving on decisions like this.
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 19, 2023, 06:01:10 PM
Thanks 81, my concern is evaluating just on character. Valpo has consistently been over patient and forgiving on decisions like this.
I sense that has been more of a problem with the football program, but in this instance the mistake was the contract extension that instantly carried significant financial implications in the event of a termination.