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Title: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: covufan on February 03, 2012, 11:36:19 AM
Found this on Rivals:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/recruit-search-results (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/recruit-search-results)

We have at least three committed to VU.  Not sure what this means, but VU didn't have any football recruits listed as interested in Valpo prior to 2011.  I think Coach Carlson is stepping up the recruiting and we should see some improvement again this fall.

If the DB's 40 time is correct (4.5), this is some much needed speed on defense.
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: vuweathernerd on February 03, 2012, 12:10:10 PM
Quote from: covufan on February 03, 2012, 11:36:19 AM
Found this on Rivals:

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/recruit-search-results (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/recruit-search-results)

We have at least three committed to VU.  Not sure what this means, but VU didn't have any football recruits listed as interested in Valpo prior to 2011.  I think Coach Carlson is stepping up the recruiting and we should see some improvement again this fall.

If the DB's 40 time is correct (4.5), this is some much needed speed on defense.

no kidding. now, to find some more speed to compliment him. i really do hope that we see continued improvement in football over the next few years, but based on the last several years, it is hard to be optimistic. there are reasons students don't go to the football games (or at least didn't in my recent years there).
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: valpotx on February 03, 2012, 12:16:30 PM
It's so sad to see the state of fan attendance at men's basketball and football games.  When I was in school, our side of the football stands was just about always full, even during the first of Macchi's two seasons when we were 1-10 (turnaround to PFL championship the next).  The same goes for basketball, where it was usually pretty difficult to arrive just before game time, and still get a seat in the low-to-mid mezzanine area.  It used to be that everything except the top few rows of that level was full for most games, with the 'low' attendance games still in the 4,000s.  Is it the economy, or just fair weather fans in area??
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: vu72 on February 03, 2012, 12:51:39 PM
The weather is pretty fair, and has been for some time.  We have had games against Akron, Duquene, Oakland, Milwaukee, Detroit and Bowling Green amd CSU.  Very solid competition and very good results.  Still the attendance sucks.  Don't get it.
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: vuweathernerd on February 03, 2012, 05:51:36 PM
the attendance among students at basketball games really started dwindling my junior and senior years (08-10). part of this was i believe in part due to a change in marketing around the student section, to include changing the name from vu cru. the student leadership left and nobody stepped up to take charge.
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: Valcruz on February 03, 2012, 08:16:31 PM
Hey Guys,
That DB you're referring to is Trevor Hammer, he was recruited by Coach Lee as a Safety and that time of 4.52-4.54 is legit ran it at Kansas State, OSU, and TU football camps last summer. Also as a note: statistical information on Rivals must be verified before they are posted. As added information he was recruited by TU, Drake, and numerous division II schools, and was later offered a recruited walk at TU. I believe he also holds multiple Division II offers from schools in Oklahoma and Kansas.

Note: It's my understanding that Valpo has a total of 15 commitments with a target of 21...

Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: KL31NY on February 03, 2012, 08:39:26 PM
I saw a current student on Twitter recently call 2500-3000 fans at the ARC "packed." Facepalm :banghead: (closest I can get w/ these emoticons)

I'm in my fourth year here and I have probably only seen a truly good crowd at a basketball game I've been able to attend unless its on some ESPN outlet. What has stuck out more to me were the negatives, especially among students. 38 for UIC a few years back. 20ish for Green Bay last year. 20ish again for Iona last year.

Football's been kinda the same, although I have less knowledge of the attendance since I have often been focused on either volleyball or soccer on those game days. I thought at least the turnout seemed better on average this past season than the one before, without seeing any hard #s to back that up...
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: okinawatyphoon on February 04, 2012, 11:31:56 AM
From what I can tell, they are trying new marketing strategies for the students but something isn't clicking. We are doing well this year but still don't have a home win against a marquee opponent.
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: TC28 on February 07, 2012, 01:20:31 PM
Recent commit: Alex Green Zionsville HS. 6'2 230 LB.
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: vu72 on February 07, 2012, 01:30:04 PM
Quote from: TC28 on February 07, 2012, 01:20:31 PM
Recent commit: Alex Green Zionsville HS. 6'2 230 LB.

http://www.ncsasports.org/football-recruiting/in/zionsville/zionsville-high-school/alexander-green (http://www.ncsasports.org/football-recruiting/in/zionsville/zionsville-high-school/alexander-green)
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: valpotx on February 07, 2012, 02:59:30 PM
Very important to have a good LB corps.  Hopefully he does well!
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: bbtds on February 07, 2012, 03:43:08 PM
Zionsville is in one of the toughest football conferences in Indiana, the Hoosier Crossroads, which includes Fishers (many Valpo HS people will remember the Tigers), Hamilton SE, Noblesville, Avon, Westfield, Brownsburg (baseball giant and home of Gordon Hayward ) and the Lafayette area schools--Lafayette Jeff, McCutcheon and WL Harrison. The Zionsville Eagles finished 5-5 losing to the Ben Davis Giants in the sectional. But since they play no games outside of the HCC and their first game outside of conference was against highly rated BD it's somewhat tough to really gage how good they are compared to the rest of the state.

The Eagles started out 5-1 only losing to HSE but then lost 3 straight to Fishers, Brownsburg and Avon and finally Ben Davis.

I'm sure zvillehaze might have a few words on this recruit. Do you follow Zionsville football, zville?
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: covufan on February 13, 2012, 12:07:29 PM
I look forward to learn more about the next recruiting class, and to see how previous classes are retained.  In the past, it seemed that we would get 40 or so freshman, with only 20 or so playing past their freshman year.  Some would stay at Valpo to continue their education, but did not continue with football.  I think one sign of a good coaching staff would be how to retain young men that know their playing careers are over, but are still interested in being part of the team, and may be interested in becoming coaches at the HS level.
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: covufan on February 13, 2012, 12:18:16 PM
Quote from: covufan on February 13, 2012, 12:07:29 PM
I look forward to learn more about the next recruiting class, and to see how previous classes are retained.  In the past, it seemed that we would get 40 or so freshman, with only 20 or so playing past their freshman year.  Some would stay at Valpo to continue their education, but did not continue with football.  I think one sign of a good coaching staff would be how to retain young men that know their playing careers are over, but are still interested in being part of the team, and may be interested in becoming coaches at the HS level.

I also like seeing the continued national recruiting effort.
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: covufan on February 17, 2012, 04:04:35 PM
Any more recent commits?  Any news filtering out of the FB offices?
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: willy on February 23, 2012, 10:38:07 PM
when do valpo and the PFL teams announce their recruiting classes?
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: VULB#62 on February 24, 2012, 01:17:11 PM
Last year the recruiting class was announced on May 23rd   http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/Smileys/classic/huh.gif (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/Smileys/classic/huh.gif)
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: willy on February 26, 2012, 01:40:03 PM
I have heard the football staff has been bringing in kids from all over the nation for visits and working hard to turn this thing around.  Coach Carlson has a history of turning programs around and I think he can do it at Valpo as well!  I think last years recruiting class is proof that he can recruit talent and I look forward to hearing more about the 2012 class.
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: valpotx on February 26, 2012, 04:46:16 PM
We have a good QB in place, we just need the pieces around him...
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: VU75 on February 26, 2012, 08:25:17 PM
Quote from: valpotx on February 26, 2012, 04:46:16 PMWe have a good QB in place, we just need the pieces around him...

As a Bear's fan I don't find that very encouraging.
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: milanmiracle on February 28, 2012, 10:58:55 AM
Quote from: VU75 on February 26, 2012, 08:25:17 PM
Quote from: valpotx on February 26, 2012, 04:46:16 PMWe have a good QB in place, we just need the pieces around him...

As a Bear's fan I don't find that very encouraging.

I guess as a Bears fan I would find that encouraging. It's all in how you look at the glass...When Cutler was heathy they were a very good team. Without him, well...
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: willy on March 17, 2012, 10:52:37 AM
Spring football practice starts Wednesday and I'm excited to see what strides the football team can make this year.  I hope they build off strong performances of the last two games of 2011.  Has anyone heard of any more recruits?
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: VULB#62 on March 17, 2012, 08:26:58 PM
The issue with the PFL is that being a non-scholarship league (Scholarship-- give me a break.  I hate that term - it should be a grant-in aid) they can't list the kids who commit until their deposits are in.  It'll probably be May when we have solid info.  (BTW - saw  the same concept on the Stetson website).  Yes, NLIs but no names.  Emailing with Dale Carlson, I sense that they are getting a good class.  How good remains to be seen. The feeling I get is that the recruiting process has significantly improved and is definitely more organized  than in past programs. Carlson needs time but he will get the right kids and VU will be competitive.  I just wish he could get more admin support and that Brown field would be a true FCS venue.
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: CaliSwag on March 20, 2012, 07:10:02 PM
Ali Shahine is one of the safety's they picked up. He is from San Diego, California. You can see his highlight on youtube. Its called "Ali Shahine Senior Year Highlight Film Class of 2012. FS/SS"
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: FWalum on March 20, 2012, 08:24:06 PM
I wish you ever makes these highlight videos would realize that if you are doing this for coaches or recruiters to watch then it would be best to delete the sound track. Not just picking on this video, they almost all have unneeded sound tracks.  Ali Shahine San Diego, California highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KH56WsJRTwE#)
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: valporun on March 20, 2012, 10:00:38 PM
I'm guessing the makers of these videos all read the same book, and they all say to put music with it. Very ridiculous to put music with highlights for college recruiting.
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: jetz on March 21, 2012, 08:57:01 AM
Not sure if there's any new guidance, but two years ago when my son was being recruited, the services that made these videos told us specifically that no one wants music on these.  Fine for your personal use, but we were told never to send one to a coach with music.  Coaches told us if they ever get one with music, they just mute it anyway.  Also, we were told to keep in under five minutes.  This kid's is about eight.  Again, maybe things have changed, but that music is lousy.   :twocents:
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: valpotx on March 21, 2012, 12:40:14 PM
I'm glad that colleges only came out to see me pitch at games, as a video of my pitch sequences would have been extremely boring :).  Though, I know that they do these types of videos for pitchers nowadays, sans the music.  When did it become prevalent to do these videos?  I graduated HS in 1999, and it was extremely rare for these things to be out there. 
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: covufan on March 21, 2012, 03:38:18 PM
Coach Carlson blog from last week:

http://blogs.valpo.edu/football/ (http://blogs.valpo.edu/football/)

Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: valporun on March 21, 2012, 09:27:01 PM
valpotx, I'm guessing the video has become more important with the computer technology to be able to self-edit to show only the good moments of games, or focus on certain aspects, so I'm guessing mid-2000s. For pitchers, I'm thinking coaches want to see the consistency of arm slot, if the pitcher only uses upper body, or if he's using his legs at all. Maybe watching for reaction/body language between pitches?
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: CaliSwag on March 21, 2012, 11:19:56 PM
After this watching this highlight film. Do you think Ali is a good athlete. ??
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: valpotx on March 22, 2012, 12:48:24 AM
Yes, the pitching videos are very dull, in looking at the things you mention.  Rarely do they show the action between pitches though, it is just pitch-after-pitch-after pitch.  I watched many in my 2 years as a Volunteer coach at a solid program here in area, while doing my MBA and working my normal job.  I don't miss those long hours, even though college baseball coaching was fun as a side gig lol  :).

Cali, I imagine that you are either Ali or a family member.  From the video, it looks like he/you should be able to contribute at the level of competition we face.  The big determinant will be how quickly you/he can adapt to the speed of the game.  Everyone gets fast at this level, even the FCS non-scholarship division.  Hard work will pay off!
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: FWalum on March 22, 2012, 09:02:31 AM
Quote from: CaliSwag on March 21, 2012, 11:19:56 PM
After this watching this highlight film. Do you think Ali is a good athlete. ??
It certainly looks like he has some athletic ability, keep working hard because as valpotx stated, the jump is going to be much higher than you think. 

Now I will tell you the problem I have with your question, highlight videos better make it look like the player has ability or they were just a waste of time and almost every player has some highlights in their career.  Can they be a conversation starter?? Yes, but complete games are better because it is much more telling to see how a player reacts to all situations not just the highlight plays.
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: willy on March 28, 2012, 10:26:30 AM
Has anyone seen any of the spring practices to check out what the new team looks like?  With having so many young players playing significant minutes last year these spring practices should really help.  Sad to see Coach McKnight is no longer with us.  Where did he go?
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: vu72 on September 25, 2012, 11:43:13 AM
The recruitng continues.  Here is a kid who we have "offered" whatever that means.  Obviously a very bright kid:

http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20120924/ARTICLES/120929847?Title=University-lineman-Kyle-Jones-gets-offer-from-Valparaiso (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20120924/ARTICLES/120929847?Title=University-lineman-Kyle-Jones-gets-offer-from-Valparaiso)
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: milanmiracle on September 25, 2012, 01:45:46 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 25, 2012, 11:43:13 AM
The recruitng continues.  Here is a kid who we have "offered" whatever that means.  Obviously a very bright kid:

http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20120924/ARTICLES/120929847?Title=University-lineman-Kyle-Jones-gets-offer-from-Valparaiso (http://www.news-journalonline.com/article/20120924/ARTICLES/120929847?Title=University-lineman-Kyle-Jones-gets-offer-from-Valparaiso)

Per usual with reports like this...pretty vague. "Interested" can mean as little as sending a letter. I'd be interested to know what Georgia Southern really thinks of the kid.

Gaining 90 pounds in 2 years...that's one heck of a weight program.
Title: Re: Football recruiting 2012
Post by: VULB#62 on September 25, 2012, 02:59:55 PM
Others showing interest:

Wofford #6 SNet/#5 Coaches Poll -- Scholarship program
Georgia Southern #10 SNet/#9 Coaches -- Scholarship program
Lehigh #15 SNet/#11 Coaches --  Soon to be a scholarship program (recruiting class of '13 -- Patriot League)
Furman -- unranked -- Scholarship program

275 lbs on a 6-0 frame = block of granite.