I was just bouncing around some of the other Horizon message boards and I loved seeing the Scholarship chart on the Butler board. Anyone eager and willing to put together a Valpo scholarship chart for us??
Do you have an example or link?
http://buhoops.yuku.com/topic/6193/Butler-basketball-scholarship-chart-updated-September-25-201 (http://buhoops.yuku.com/topic/6193/Butler-basketball-scholarship-chart-updated-September-25-201)
Interesting and informative chart. I agree that it would be nice to have here somewhere.
This is probably not very good, but I gave it a try. Some of the recruiting info was hard to find. If anyone has any corrections/additions just reply and then we can make a good one and put it on a sticky post somewhere and update it as needed
(http://www.mattcarter.me/images/stories/recruittable.jpg)
Good start. You can add Clay Yeo as a 2013 freshman.
Quote from: valpopal on February 16, 2012, 09:01:37 PMGood start. You can add Clay Yeo as a 2013 freshman.
ok do u have any more info from him?
Quote from: valpopal on February 16, 2012, 09:01:37 PMGood start. You can add Clay Yeo as a 2013 freshman.
I added him. I am just going to copy over the same image, so refresh...i'll figure out how to make a nicer one once we get better info. any other stuff we should have on the table?
Does anyone know what Tommy's status is currently? I know he's been out for testing or something....is he sticking around?
Quote from: PatVU07 on February 16, 2012, 09:26:17 PMDoes anyone know what Tommy's status is currently? I know he's been out for testing or something....is he sticking around?
He played against Youngstown
Missed that game. Good to hear. Hope that means he's healthy and will be working hard during the off season and will be making a positive impact for the seasons to come. His father was my AD in high school and his grandfather is one of the best high school coaches in Indiana. I'd love to see him make a huge turn around and contribute to a team that will come back next year as a favorite in the conference.
Thanks for putting this together.
I was thinking about this during the previous games: One of the nice things about this year's team is that the core players in terms of minutes and scoring will be back next year. Plus, there are a number of exciting addtions for 2012-13. I don't want to think too much ahead because I'm excited about this year, but it is nice to know that this looks to be sustainable for at least another year.
Quote from: MattCarter on February 16, 2012, 09:13:45 PM
Quote from: valpopal on February 16, 2012, 09:01:37 PMGood start. You can add Clay Yeo as a 2013 freshman.
I added him. I am just going to copy over the same image, so refresh...i'll figure out how to make a nicer one once we get better info. any other stuff we should have on the table?
Thanks for this Matt!
Think you could add a totals line, like the Butler one?
Quote from: valpo04 on February 17, 2012, 08:22:53 AMQuote from: MattCarter on February 16, 2012, 09:13:45 PMQuote from: valpopal on February 16, 2012, 09:01:37 PMGood start. You can add Clay Yeo as a 2013 freshman.
I added him. I am just going to copy over the same image, so refresh...i'll figure out how to make a nicer one once we get better info. any other stuff we should have on the table?
Thanks for this Matt! Think you could add a totals line, like the Butler one?
Yeah I can do that. Anything else anyone has? I am gonna figure out a way to make a nicer looking one
This reminds us that there is now an unexpected opening for a scholarship player in the upcoming year because of the NCAA ruling Dino Jakolis not eligible. Yet, there have been no hints at recruiting a new player for the 2012-2013 season. All the recruiting news has been about offerings to players in the 2013 or 2014 class. I wonder if Bryce will go the junior college or transfer route again since it is so late in the high school recruiting stage at this point.
Bryce has been on the recruiting trail on some local seniors, but I have not heard of any offers to any of them. I imagine you are right that he will go after a JUCO or another Will Bogan.
A Will Bogan with two years of eligibility would make sense, but most graduate transfers would only be available for one year -- that wouldn't help much. I would think that Valpo will be more attractive to recruits if we win the Horizon season title (presuming that there are good senior prospects out there).
Quote from: MattCarter on February 17, 2012, 08:27:36 AMI am gonna figure out a way to make a nicer looking one
Is it possible to use the tables available natively here on the message board? Not sure what Butler's using. There could be a certain advantage to a format that others can edit.
Good effort with the table. Even though both of our walk-ons are seniors, maybe you can add a separated section at the bottom of the chart for "walk-ons"? We've had at least one or two over the last few years, so perhaps it might be good to add them to this too.
How about showing that Capobianco and Fernandez have scholarships this year?
Quote from: agibson on February 17, 2012, 10:05:34 AMQuote from: MattCarter on February 17, 2012, 08:27:36 AMI am gonna figure out a way to make a nicer looking one
Is it possible to use the tables available natively here on the message board? Not sure what Butler's using. There could be a certain advantage to a format that others can edit.
I did try using the built in table thing and it didn't work well. I checked and Butler is using an image, so they are prob building it in like Fireworks or something and then posting the updated image (like i am doing).
i used a free online html table builder and then cropped out a screen shot. Open to any suggestions.
Quote from: MattCarter on February 17, 2012, 11:59:20 AM
Quote from: agibson on February 17, 2012, 10:05:34 AMQuote from: MattCarter on February 17, 2012, 08:27:36 AMI am gonna figure out a way to make a nicer looking one
Is it possible to use the tables available natively here on the message board? Not sure what Butler's using. There could be a certain advantage to a format that others can edit.
I did try using the built in table thing and it didn't work well. I checked and Butler is using an image, so they are prob building it in like Fireworks or something and then posting the updated image (like i am doing).
i used a free online html table builder and then cropped out a screen shot. Open to any suggestions.
Perhaps creating it on the blog on this site might be an option. Could then have multiple editors if we wanted.
Quote from: valpopal on February 17, 2012, 09:14:40 AM
This reminds us that there is now an unexpected opening for a scholarship player in the upcoming year because of the NCAA ruling Dino Jakolis not eligible. Yet, there have been no hints at recruiting a new player for the 2012-2013 season. All the recruiting news has been about offerings to players in the 2013 or 2014 class. I wonder if Bryce will go the junior college or transfer route again since it is so late in the high school recruiting stage at this point.
VHS grad Brad Karp, tearing it up at St. Xavier in Chicago, would be someone to consider.
He's grown to 6-5 and averaging nearly a double-double. He'd have to sit a year (don't need anyone next year anyway) and then have two years eligibility after all of this year's juniors are gone. I know a transfer from St. X doesn't carry the same appeal as a Ole Miss or Virginia Tech, but I almost guarantee he's as good or better than current guys seeing a lot of PT.
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 17, 2012, 12:32:17 PM
Quote from: valpopal on February 17, 2012, 09:14:40 AM
This reminds us that there is now an unexpected opening for a scholarship player in the upcoming year because of the NCAA ruling Dino Jakolis not eligible. Yet, there have been no hints at recruiting a new player for the 2012-2013 season. All the recruiting news has been about offerings to players in the 2013 or 2014 class. I wonder if Bryce will go the junior college or transfer route again since it is so late in the high school recruiting stage at this point.
VHS grad Brad Karp, tearing it up at St. Xavier in Chicago, would be someone to consider.
He's grown to 6-5 and averaging nearly a double-double. He'd have to sit a year (don't need anyone next year anyway) and then have two years eligibility after all of this year's juniors are gone. I know a transfer from St. X doesn't carry the same appeal as a Ole Miss or Virginia Tech, but I almost guarantee he's as good or better than current guys seeing a lot of PT.
I don't believe NAIA's have to sit out a year, like D-I to D-I transfers do? Since he's leaving one association for a different one. What year is Karp? A sophomore?
Karp is a sophomore. Yes, he would have to sit out a year for sure and then have two years' eligiblity.
He was the National NAIA Player of the Week recently, earned an all-academic honor, has been conference player of the week four times.
I know he scored a career-high 39 recently and is averaging low 20s maybe (I haven't checked lately).
I know it's NAIA and the competition may not be the greatest, but I'm sure he's also playing against guys with D-1 talent who couldn't make the grades.
Problem is, he can't be recruited. He has to do the recruiting on his own if he wants to leave.
Why would he have to sit out a year in changing from NAIA to NCAA?
Quote from: valpo04 on February 17, 2012, 12:13:13 PMQuote from: MattCarter on February 17, 2012, 11:59:20 AMQuote from: agibson on February 17, 2012, 10:05:34 AMQuote from: MattCarter on February 17, 2012, 08:27:36 AMI am gonna figure out a way to make a nicer looking one
Is it possible to use the tables available natively here on the message board? Not sure what Butler's using. There could be a certain advantage to a format that others can edit.
I did try using the built in table thing and it didn't work well. I checked and Butler is using an image, so they are prob building it in like Fireworks or something and then posting the updated image (like i am doing). i used a free online html table builder and then cropped out a screen shot. Open to any suggestions.
Perhaps creating it on the blog on this site might be an option. Could then have multiple editors if we wanted.
Again, I did try the table builder here but I didn't like it. I could not get table headings and things of that nature...I also couldn't get lines and color options. Its not quite the same as an HTML table I found. I emailed the Butler user to see if they will tell me how they build that one.
I'll work on adding stuff to the table tonight like the totals section and add the walk ons (which i left off because it was a scholarship grid) and also mark Bobby and Ferndandez as scholarships for this year
Quote from: MattCarter on February 17, 2012, 01:23:21 PM
Quote from: valpo04 on February 17, 2012, 12:13:13 PMQuote from: MattCarter on February 17, 2012, 11:59:20 AMQuote from: agibson on February 17, 2012, 10:05:34 AMQuote from: MattCarter on February 17, 2012, 08:27:36 AMI am gonna figure out a way to make a nicer looking one
Is it possible to use the tables available natively here on the message board? Not sure what Butler's using. There could be a certain advantage to a format that others can edit.
I did try using the built in table thing and it didn't work well. I checked and Butler is using an image, so they are prob building it in like Fireworks or something and then posting the updated image (like i am doing). i used a free online html table builder and then cropped out a screen shot. Open to any suggestions.
Perhaps creating it on the blog on this site might be an option. Could then have multiple editors if we wanted.
Again, I did try the table builder here but I didn't like it. I could not get table headings and things of that nature...I also couldn't get lines and color options. Its not quite the same as an HTML table I found. I emailed the Butler user to see if they will tell me how they build that one.
I'll work on adding stuff to the table tonight like the totals section and add the walk ons (which i left off because it was a scholarship grid) and also mark Bobby and Ferndandez as scholarships for this year
I was referring to the actual website (www.valpofanzone.com (http://www.valpofanzone.com)) where Wordpress is installed. You could create it there (as a blog) using html if you'd like and we could have multiple editors. It might help build interest in building that part of the site and could be the cornerstone of some sort of "Recuiting" or "Scholarship" section like Crusader03 suggested in his thread.
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 17, 2012, 12:47:59 PM
Karp is a sophomore. Yes, he would have to sit out a year for sure and then have two years' eligiblity.
He was the National NAIA Player of the Week recently, earned an all-academic honor, has been conference player of the week four times.
I know he scored a career-high 39 recently and is averaging low 20s maybe (I haven't checked lately).
I know it's NAIA and the competition may not be the greatest, but I'm sure he's also playing against guys with D-1 talent who couldn't make the grades.
Problem is, he can't be recruited. He has to do the recruiting on his own if he wants to leave.
Good find. Karp is averaging 24 points per game and shooting better than 40% from the 3-point line, with an overall field goal average near 60%. The competition at NAIA has to be better than in high school, and those would be fantastic high school stats for a recruit, plus he has college experience. I can't imagine Karp not wanting to move to Div. I somewhere, and I would think Valpo might be a first choice for him. Therefore, I have to believe he and his family would contact VU about possible interest. Plus, we all know it wouldn't hurt to have a local kid on the roster.
Quote from: valporun on February 17, 2012, 12:51:50 PM
Why would he have to sit out a year in changing from NAIA to NCAA?
Well, it might have to do with moving up a Division. Someone close to the situation told me he'd have to sit a year, which is fine.
By the time he'd be eligible, he'd be 22 years old and still have two years to play. He may not have been deemed "athletic enough" coming out of high school, but he's put up some impressive numbers in the NAIA. He had 22 against Notre Dame in a November "exhibition" game. Even if he averaged 12 ppg, that's more than some of the other guys who are on the current roster.
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 17, 2012, 12:47:59 PMI know it's NAIA and the competition may not be the greatest, but I'm sure he's also playing against guys with D-1 talent who couldn't make the grades.
Problem is, he can't be recruited. He has to do the recruiting on his own if he wants to leave.
You are darn right there are D-1 players playing NAIA ball!! We had this kid Jon Battle at Indiana Tech for a year. Unbelievable ball handler, had a huge heart, actually got his grades up to a decent level and then he gets upset with a prof who did not give him the grade he felt he deserved and they got into a little tussle and... zip... he was gone. Originally had a full ride to USC but did not have the grades and didn't like the prep school they tried to put him into.
QuoteJon Battle #24
Height: 6-2
Class: Sr.
Position: Guard
Hometown: Cleveland, Ohio/Indiana Tech
Prior to Madonna
Spent two years at Lakeland Community College...averaged 21 points and seven rebounds as a freshman and followed that up with 19.8 points, eight rebounds and seven assists as a sophomore and was named all-conference...spent one year at WHAC rival Indiana Tech and was named all-conference after posting 21 points, seven rebounds and four assists per night...
Cleveland Heights High School
Earned four letters in basketball at Cleveland Heights High School...named to the all-Ohio first team as well as the Lake Erie League and Cuyahoga Player of the Year as a senior after averaging 26.5 points, 6.5 rebounds and 5.5 assists per game...finished behind NBA star Lebron James in the raced for Ohio's Mr. Basketball award...
Loved the kid but he wore me out trying to keep him in line.
Quote from: valpo04 on February 17, 2012, 01:36:32 PM[ I was referring to the actual website (www.valpofanzone.com (http://www.valpofanzone.com)) where Wordpress is installed. You could create it there (as a blog) using html if you'd like and we could have multiple editors. It might help build interest in building that part of the site and could be the cornerstone of some sort of "Recuiting" or "Scholarship" section like Crusader03 suggested in his thread.
How would I do that?
Valpo89, I thought the "sit out a year" only mattered in NCAA D-I because of competitive balance, and keeping scholarship players from recruiting themselves out every year?
Brad Karp is flat out a player. Watched a St X game recently and was impressed with his ability. He scored a quiet 24 points. Hit 3's, posted up, rebounded, steals, etc. He missed an unbelieveable put back dunk. He is an impossible matchup at the NAIA level. Put a guard on him and he posts up. A bigger man cannot keep up and he finds a way to get open.
He is a product of the VHS "system" in which he averaged 14 pts a game in high school and moved on to college and averaged 19 as a freshman, 24 so far this year and is well over 1000 points in his career.
He fell into the recruiting trap of being a "tweener", but people often peg players according to size. He and Joe Crisman of Loyola are very similar players. Tough kids that have game.
According to Indiana Recruiting Guide, other 2012 local high school recruits still available that VU coaches have considered include the following:
Ronnye Beamon: 6'4" SG, Bishop Noll (apparently has an offer from VU)
Adeleike "Leike" Solanke: 6'6" Power Forward, Marquette Catholic (profiled with video on this board in the past--very athletic--and has ties in Valparaiso)
Edward Seay: 6'8″ Power Forward, Merrillville (may need to attend junior college first)
Matej Buovac: 6'7" SF, La Lumiere (might be shy to sign this Croatian because of the problems with Jakolis)
Quote from: valpopal on February 19, 2012, 09:31:34 AM
According to Indiana Recruiting Guide, other 2012 local high school recruits still available that VU coaches have considered include the following:
Ronnye Beamon: 6'4" SG, Bishop Noll (apparently has an offer from VU)
Adeleike "Leike" Solanke: 6'6" Power Forward, Marquette Catholic (profiled with video on this board in the past--very athletic--and has ties in Valparaiso)
Edward Seay: 6'8″ Power Forward, Merrillville (may need to attend junior college first)
Matej Buovac: 6'7" SF, La Lumiere (might be shy to sign this Croatian because of the problems with Jakolis)
Add Leventes Strong of Victory Christian to that list...Diebler and Bryce have both been out to games to watch him.
Quote from: valpopal on February 19, 2012, 09:31:34 AM
According to Indiana Recruiting Guide, other 2012 local high school recruits still available that VU coaches have considered include the following:
Ronnye Beamon: 6'4" SG, Bishop Noll (apparently has an offer from VU)
Adeleike "Leike" Solanke: 6'6" Power Forward, Marquette Catholic (profiled with video on this board in the past--very athletic--and has ties in Valparaiso)
Edward Seay: 6'8″ Power Forward, Merrillville (may need to attend junior college first)
Matej Buovac: 6'7" SF, La Lumiere (might be shy to sign this Croatian because of the problems with Jakolis)
Solanke is not very good at basketball.
Beamon is OK, great kid.
Seay tore his ACL and needs to get his grades up at a juco.
All of these guys are wild cards. Karp - while not a freak of an athlete - has proven he can play basketball.
I believe I heard that the Valpo coaching staff offered a walk-on role to Brad Karp when he was coming out of high school. They definitely liked him.
According to Rivals, the only Valpo offer out for an uncommitted 2012 grad is for Aaron Armstead out of Fresno, California.
Quote from: humbleopinion on February 19, 2012, 12:55:58 PM
According to Rivals, the only Valpo offer out for an uncommitted 2012 grad is for Aaron Armstead out of Fresno, California.
I think you mean Aaric Armstead who is Aarons younger brother. Aaron is a freshman at Green Bay. As good as next years team may be we will still have one glaring weakness and that is our ability to create turnovers and fight our way back into a game. I don't know if this kid would qualify, but if we could find a freshman who could come in as a great defender (like Omar Sylla), then maybe you wouldn't even want to redshirt him.
My bad...
Have there ever been two brothers who played against each other in the Horizon League?
Quote from: humbleopinion on February 19, 2012, 02:58:14 PM
My bad...
Have there ever been two brothers who played against each other in the Horizon League?
Martell Bailey of UIC and David Bailey of Loyola. Assume there have been others, but that's all I've got off the top of my head.
Thanks for all involved in putting together the scholarship chart. In addition to noting that the two players sitting on the bench actually have the first year of their scholarships this year, I think it would be good to note that we have "verbal" commitments from players in the class of 2013 since they can't be sing letters of intent and accept scholarship offers until next fall. As we've learned, players making verbal commitments don't always end up receiving scholarships. I have no reason to believe those in the class of 2013 currently listed on the scholarship chart will end up elsewhere, noting them as "verbal" would show the situation more clearly.
Quote from: sliman on February 19, 2012, 04:39:14 PMThanks for all involved in putting together the scholarship chart. In addition to noting that the two players sitting on the bench actually have the first year of their scholarships this year, I think it would be good to note that we have "verbal" commitments from players in the class of 2013 since they can't be sing letters of intent and accept scholarship offers until next fall. As we've learned, players making verbal commitments don't always end up receiving scholarships. I have no reason to believe those in the class of 2013 currently listed on the scholarship chart will end up elsewhere, noting them as "verbal" would show the situation more clearly.
Great idea. I am gonna put a V instead of an X for them
While it is far from perfect or super awesome, we have some up with something that works for this site (for now)
http://www.valpofanzone.com/2012/02/17/valparaiso-crusaders-scholarship-grid/ (http://www.valpofanzone.com/2012/02/17/valparaiso-crusaders-scholarship-grid/)
I am sure the admins will hot link this somehow
Feedback always welcome and appreciated. FYI- we had to condense its size, so the hometowns and schools were dropped
Quote from: MattCarter on February 19, 2012, 10:55:10 PM
While it is far from perfect or super awesome, we have some up with something that works for this site (for now)
http://www.valpofanzone.com/2012/02/17/valparaiso-crusaders-scholarship-grid/ (http://www.valpofanzone.com/2012/02/17/valparaiso-crusaders-scholarship-grid/)
I am sure the admins will hot link this somehow
Feedback always welcome and appreciated. FYI- we had to condense its size, so the hometowns and schools were dropped
I like it...nicely done Matt
Quote from: MattCarter on February 19, 2012, 10:55:10 PM
While it is far from perfect or super awesome, we have some up with something that works for this site (for now)
http://www.valpofanzone.com/2012/02/17/valparaiso-crusaders-scholarship-grid/ (http://www.valpofanzone.com/2012/02/17/valparaiso-crusaders-scholarship-grid/)
I am sure the admins will hot link this somehow.
Feedback always welcome and appreciated. FYI- we had to condense its size, so the hometowns and schools were dropped
This is very nice. Thanks for the effort. The hometowns and schools are easily accessed by clicking the link for the individual players.
:thumbsup:
Quote from: MattCarter on February 19, 2012, 10:55:10 PM
While it is far from perfect or super awesome, we have some up with something that works for this site (for now)
http://www.valpofanzone.com/2012/02/17/valparaiso-crusaders-scholarship-grid/ (http://www.valpofanzone.com/2012/02/17/valparaiso-crusaders-scholarship-grid/)
I am sure the admins will hot link this somehow
Feedback always welcome and appreciated. FYI- we had to condense its size, so the hometowns and schools were dropped
that's very sharp, matt. way to go!
Good job. This will be a handy reference.