this one's for all the marbles. and unfortunately, it's against a team that's given us fits in the conference tourney over our 4 years in the hl. luckily, we're going for the third win of the year against detroit, and in the last 20 years, valpo's 17-2 in these games.
just saw on twitter that there were over 50 students in line for the free tickets when they started handing them out at 11am. this is a good sign. hopefully, those tickets are gone by the end of the day, and tons of local students/recent alumni with their ids can get into the student section and raise some hell.
edit: the line went through the double doors by the elevators in the union. definitely a good start. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=313805975341793&set=a.167497749972617.58630.113914928664233&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=313805975341793&set=a.167497749972617.58630.113914928664233&type=1&theater)
Quote from: vuweathernerd on March 05, 2012, 11:06:45 AM
this one's for all the marbles. and unfortunately, it's against a team that's given us fits in the conference tourney over our 4 years in the hl. luckily, we're going for the third win of the year against detroit, and in the last 20 years, valpo's 17-2 in these games.
just saw on twitter that there were over 50 students in line for the free tickets when they started handing them out at 11am. this is a good sign. hopefully, those tickets are gone by the end of the day, and tons of local students/recent alumni with their ids can get into the student section and raise some hell.
edit: the line went through the double doors by the elevators in the union. definitely a good start. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=313805975341793&set=a.167497749972617.58630.113914928664233&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=313805975341793&set=a.167497749972617.58630.113914928664233&type=1&theater)
Probably around 100ish tickets given away. You could pick up multiple tickets for friends if you had their ID. When I was in line everybody had multiple IDs, including me.
Quote from: Valpo10 on March 05, 2012, 11:15:32 AM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on March 05, 2012, 11:06:45 AM
this one's for all the marbles. and unfortunately, it's against a team that's given us fits in the conference tourney over our 4 years in the hl. luckily, we're going for the third win of the year against detroit, and in the last 20 years, valpo's 17-2 in these games.
just saw on twitter that there were over 50 students in line for the free tickets when they started handing them out at 11am. this is a good sign. hopefully, those tickets are gone by the end of the day, and tons of local students/recent alumni with their ids can get into the student section and raise some hell.
edit: the line went through the double doors by the elevators in the union. definitely a good start. https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=313805975341793&set=a.167497749972617.58630.113914928664233&type=1&theater (https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=313805975341793&set=a.167497749972617.58630.113914928664233&type=1&theater)
Probably around 100ish tickets given away. You could pick up multiple tickets for friends if you had their ID. When I was in line everybody had multiple IDs, including me.
makes sense. that's how they've done things in the past as well. and as of about 5 minutes ago, valparaizone tweeted that there were less than 30 free tickets left.
I'm very proud of the Valpo student crowd these last few weeks and most of the season. That is dedication!
Could not agree more with you, bbtds. The student turn out has been great, and they certainly create a great atmosphere in the ARC for the games!!
I'm excited that we're on ESPN again. Does anyone know the last time we had a game on the ESPN flagship network? I can't remember any over the past 5 years.
Valpo 72
Detroit 63
I think Detroit comes out of the gate with the lead, with us leading by 3-4 at halftime, and McCallum's coaching adjustments at halftime benefit us greatly for a 9 point win :).
Vegas has Valpo favored by 2 points. That is good enough for me:
Detroit 67
Valpo 69
IMO the Achilles heal for Detroit is their unwillingness to commit to hard-nosed, team defense for 35 seconds, possession after possession for an entire game. I noticed it in both games we played them and again the other night against CSU. Different guys take defensive possessions off at different times - especially when they start to tire. They've been able to get away with it against some of the more offensively challenged teams in the league, but not the teams with more offensive weapons like us (0-2) and CSU (0-2), until the other night. Even then, I think their win over CSU was an anomaly. CSU has not been the same team since Brown got hurt. The Titans will simply try to outscore us like they always do, show a lot of flash, maybe throw down a few dunks, but in the end I have no reason to think they will be any more successful in this game than in the first two.
Quote from: okinawatyphoon on March 05, 2012, 12:39:59 PM
I'm excited that we're on ESPN again. Does anyone know the last time we had a game on the ESPN flagship network? I can't remember any over the past 5 years.
Went through the archives on valpoathletics.com. Tomorrow will be our 2nd ever appearance on "the mothership." Our only other ESPN appearance was the loss to Iowa in the 2003 NIT under Scott. Also found this gem about our first ESPN showing
QuoteMonday's Valpo-Iowa NIT game, which was televised on ESPN, received an "above-average" television rating. The game drew a .94 rating, an improvement over ESPN's average of .90 for 2002-03 men's college basketball games. Approximately 818,415 televisions were tuned into the 8 p.m. CST game.
A game in which we should have won near the end, barring Antti's big hands pushing the easy putback out of bounds...
Quote from: valpotx on March 05, 2012, 03:57:01 PM
A game in which we should have won near the end, barring Antti's big hands pushing the easy putback out of bounds...
Yep, a moment that will live in infamy...disappointing end to that game.
Tommy, just wanted to congratulate you on being named POTW! I'm sure Bill Madlock is pretty proud!!
Another good game by the Crusaders:
Valpo 74
Detroit 65
I was also wondering how often we have been on ESPN. Thanks for the info. This will be the first time the ARC is featured on the station. Also, its in a much more important capacity than, say, us hosting Miami (OH) in a mediocre bracketbuster, or us hosting Purdue in a nonconference game. This game has meaning, and people will tune in and say "oh, so this is the team that beat Butler", and be drawn in by the Drew family story, and most importantly, the unselfishness and character that our team shows on the basketball court. I think the team's confidence has to be through the roof at this point, and wish it was Tuesday already.
Quote from: drewsaders11 on March 05, 2012, 05:34:01 PM
I was also wondering how often we have been on ESPN. Thanks for the info. This will be the first time the ARC is featured on the station. Also, its in a much more important capacity than, say, us hosting Miami (OH) in a mediocre bracketbuster, or us hosting Purdue in a nonconference game. This game has meaning, and people will tune in and say "oh, so this is the team that beat Butler", and be drawn in by the Drew family story, and most importantly, the unselfishness and character that our team shows on the basketball court. I think the team's confidence has to be through the roof at this point, and wish it was Tuesday already.
hey now, you can rip on that "mediocre bracketbuster" but that remains the single greatest college basketball game i have ever had the luck of being at.
I picked up my 4 pre-paid tickets early this afternoon at the ARC ticket office. I also bought 2 more for friends who jumped on the bandwagon late. I asked for best available and they gave me Section CC, Row WW. Reportedly, there are still a lot of seats left along the top few rows of the mezzanine.
Haven't looked back on this topic but I heard the free 200 student tickets were claimed within 19 minutes this morning!!
500 tickets still available.
It at least sounds like close to a sell-out, and should be a majority of VU fans again. If it is anything like the atmosphere on Saturday, our team really responded to that energy...
I heard early yesterday there were only 200 available...I wonder if Detroit returned a bunch of theirs? :thumbsup:
I just got 2 tickets section CC row AA ???
does anyone know who the announcers are for the game tonight?
Quote from: elephtheria47 on March 06, 2012, 07:23:02 AM
I just got 2 tickets section CC row AA ???
does anyone know who the announcers are for the game tonight?
http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/2012/03/05/men%E2%80%99s-college-basketball-championship-week-continues/ (http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/2012/03/05/men%E2%80%99s-college-basketball-championship-week-continues/)
Mark Jones & Stephen Bardo
Quote from: valpo04 on March 06, 2012, 07:39:59 AM
Quote from: elephtheria47 on March 06, 2012, 07:23:02 AM
I just got 2 tickets section CC row AA ???
does anyone know who the announcers are for the game tonight?
http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/2012/03/05/men%E2%80%99s-college-basketball-championship-week-continues/ (http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/2012/03/05/men%E2%80%99s-college-basketball-championship-week-continues/)
Mark Jones & Stephen Bardo
The same guys who worked the semifinals. I sure hope they do their homework about the game they are watching tonight, not a game that doesn't exist, or one of the Big 6 conferences they wish they were working instead. They had a lot of mistakes during Saturday's game.
I wonder if they had some returns? Or some blocks that were freed up recently?
There are much better seats available now, compared to last night. Looking for two together, right now you can get sections BB or CC row BB. Section EE row AA. But, in section DD you're all the way up in row MM.
Not easy from the web interface to figure out how many total seats are available... Last night it looked pretty full (e.g. row ZZ in sections BB or CC, but row EE in section EE).
The vegas line seems to be Valpo by two, with an over/under of 138. Closer than I might have expected, actually!
Realtimerpi.com hasn't bothered to add the game, so no prediction from them.
Sportsnetwork.com has it Valpo 71, Detroit 63, which I don't think is an unreasonable prediction. We'll see!
Kind of worried about this game. Detroit creates matchup problems for Valpo because they are so long and athletic. The only guy on the team who matched their athleticism the first game was Edwars. But if Valpo plays like they have the past two games, nobody in the HL is beating them. The other positive is that Ray McCallum is a horrible coach. His team seems to space out and let teams back into games. Happened with CSU the last game.
Looking a bit at common opponents. Obviously, we've played each other twice.
We also have Bowling Green and Akron in common.
Detroit lost _at_ Bowling Green, 61-67. We beat Bowling Green at the ARC 82-79.
Detroit lost _at_ Akron, 63-81. We Beat Akron at the ARC, 62-59.
Detroit's best RPI win was CSU (85), in their last game. We have Akron (63) and CSU twice. So, Valpo's 3-1 against 51-100. Detroit's 1-6. All of Detroit's best wins are in conference. Next best... maybe St. John's (RPI 150).
So, Detroit has fewer wins against RPI 51-100, but has been more consistent against lower ranked teams. For "bad" losses: @UIC 296. GWU Neutral 181. @ Bowling Green, 160. YSU in Detroit, 170. @Milwaukee 126.
Compared to three sub-200 losses for Valpo, and five 100-200 losses.
Quote from: agibson on March 06, 2012, 10:15:51 AM
I wonder if they had some returns? Or some blocks that were freed up recently?
There are much better seats available now, compared to last night. Looking for two together, right now you can get sections BB or CC row BB. Section EE row AA. But, in section DD you're all the way up in row MM.
Not easy from the web interface to figure out how many total seats are available... Last night it looked pretty full (e.g. row ZZ in sections BB or CC, but row EE in section EE).
Anything in the first 4-5 rows of the Mezzanine are obstructed seats. I would rather sit in row ZZ than AA, BB, or CC. You have the railing in your line of sight and a contant stream of people walking in front of you.
My seat is in CC, which I think is high enough up to not be obstructed.
Quote from: agibson on March 06, 2012, 11:27:08 AMLooking a bit at common opponents.
Forget the non-conference season for these two teams. The fact is, they're playing their best ball toward the end of the season and that's all that matters. Many people seem to think that the early-season stumbling indicates that the Horizon will field a weak representative in the NCAA Tourney, but I don't think it's necessarily the case.
With Valpo, it was to be expected that they would stumble out of the gates as they were dealing with new leadership and strategies (never mind that Bryce was an assistant or that we returned a number of players). But that it's come together the way it has? Astounding, really. More encouraging than Detroit's resurgence, quite frankly. Detroit was expected to do well, but are just doing so now and that's troublesome for them because I doubt it had much to do with coaching as their uni-faceted approach to the game hasn't seemed to change. And THAT'S where I think Valpo has a highly-underrated edge, even with the late-season stumbles (YSU, LMU) and close games.
For composure and togetherness, I'd take Valpo over any team given how many close games they've played and won. For versatility and the ability to make a adjustments? I don't think any team's won with a greater balance of weapons (perimeter, paint, or defense, take your pick). Detroit? If they're allowed to play their game, few can beat them, but if any team can take them even slightly off-course (and that's all it takes) it's Valpo.
I wouldn't be surprised if Valpo romps.
Quote from: crusaderguy08 on March 06, 2012, 11:30:50 AMAnything in the first 4-5 rows of the Mezzanine are obstructed seats. I would rather sit in row ZZ than AA, BB, or CC. You have the railing in your line of sight and a contant stream of people walking in front of you.
OK - it's probably pretty close to a sell-out then. Now if you want two together you're in section EE row AA, section BB row ZZ, or section AA row SS.
Being from Michigan originally, I listen to Detroit sports radio in my office here in NWI every day.
Ray Sr. was on the radio this morning saying they were bringing down "bus loads" of fans tonight.
There's a lot of support in the state for UDM because they all want three state teams in the NCAA's (Michigan State, Michigan and UDM).
I'm frankly surprised at the radio and chat room support the Titans are getting in their home state.
Another comparison of the same opponents -
We went 3-0 against a future Big East team with an average winning margin of 11 ppg. Detroit only went 2-0 against the same future Big East team with an average winning margin of 5. ;)
Quote from: wh on March 06, 2012, 01:54:16 PM
Another comparison of the same opponents -
We went 3-0 against a future Big East team with an average winning margin of 11 ppg. Detroit only went 2-0 against the same future Big East team with an average winning margin of 5. ;)
I believe Detroit's downfall in not winning by more in that series against Butler and the series against Valpo and in tonight's game at Valpo is their coach, Ray McCallum, Sr. He is no where near what Bryce is as a coach. It will be close but Valpo pulls it out.
UDM 71
Valpo 74
Does anyone know the status of Doug Anderson following Saturday's fall? He returned, but wasn't much of a factor, but his absence might really benefit Valpo tonight.
Quote from: valporun on March 06, 2012, 07:49:51 AM
Quote from: valpo04 on March 06, 2012, 07:39:59 AM
Quote from: elephtheria47 on March 06, 2012, 07:23:02 AM
I just got 2 tickets section CC row AA ???
does anyone know who the announcers are for the game tonight?
http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/2012/03/05/men%E2%80%99s-college-basketball-championship-week-continues/ (http://www.espnmediazone3.com/us/2012/03/05/men%E2%80%99s-college-basketball-championship-week-continues/)
Mark Jones & Stephen Bardo
The same guys who worked the semifinals. I sure hope they do their homework about the game they are watching tonight, not a game that doesn't exist, or one of the Big 6 conferences they wish they were working instead. They had a lot of mistakes during Saturday's game.
I did think their idea of calling "The Shot" play "Homer" instead of "Pacer" considering our rivalry with Butler was a great idea. ;)
Quote from: BrownTown on March 06, 2012, 02:39:17 PM
Does anyone know the status of Doug Anderson following Saturday's fall? He returned, but wasn't much of a factor, but his absence might really benefit Valpo tonight.
I was hoping to glean something from the Detroit board about that very topic...
QuoteNote: Titans starting small forward Doug Anderson, who suffered a shoulder stinger on Saturday, was cleared to play against Valparaiso.
That's from the FS Detroit article posted. I can't post a link though. It tells me I'm not 'allowed' post external links. If he does play, who knows how effective he'll be.
Quote from: drewsaders11 on March 05, 2012, 05:34:01 PM
I was also wondering how often we have been on ESPN. Thanks for the info. This will be the first time the ARC is featured on the station. Also, its in a much more important capacity than, say, us hosting Miami (OH) in a mediocre bracketbuster, or us hosting Purdue in a nonconference game. This game has meaning, and people will tune in and say "oh, so this is the team that ALWAYSbeats Butler", and be drawn in by the Drew family story, and most importantly, the unselfishness and character that our team shows on the basketball court. I think the team's confidence has to be through the roof at this point, and wish it was Tuesday already.
I fixed it for you.
Quote from: valpotx on March 06, 2012, 12:35:03 AM
It at least sounds like close to a sell-out, and should be a majority of VU fans again. If it is anything like the atmosphere on Saturday, our team really responded to that energy...
Especially since there usually aren't many fans at their home games.
Quote from: Valpo_Fred on March 06, 2012, 03:24:18 PM
QuoteNote: Titans starting small forward Doug Anderson, who suffered a shoulder stinger on Saturday, was cleared to play against Valparaiso.
That's from the FS Detroit article posted. I can't post a link though. It tells me I'm not 'allowed' post external links. If he does play, who knows how effective he'll be.
Fred, 2 more posts and that will allow you to post links. You must have 5 posts or more total to post links. That keeps spammers from filling up the message board.
Got word from the ticket office there were 380 tickets left. But that was about an hour and half ago, before I posted it up on the University's Facebook and Twitter accounts. Hopefully they sell out. Either way the majority is going to be Valpo fans based off the numbers coming out of the ticket office. Should be rocking tonight. Can't wait. Anyone here going to be there? I'll be doing the Valpo Gameday stuff in the media section in E. Stop by and introduce yourself. I'll have the black nike Valpo polo on and shaved head.
Quote from: Valpower on March 06, 2012, 12:45:32 PM
Quote from: agibson on March 06, 2012, 11:27:08 AMLooking a bit at common opponents.
Forget the non-conference season for these two teams. The fact is, they're playing their best ball toward the end of the season and that's all that matters. Many people seem to think that the early-season stumbling indicates that the Horizon will field a weak representative in the NCAA Tourney, but I don't think it's necessarily the case.
With Valpo, it was to be expected that they would stumble out of the gates as they were dealing with new leadership and strategies (never mind that Bryce was an assistant or that we returned a number of players). But that it's come together the way it has? Astounding, really. More encouraging than Detroit's resurgence, quite frankly. Detroit was expected to do well, but are just doing so now and that's troublesome for them because I doubt it had much to do with coaching as their uni-faceted approach to the game hasn't seemed to change. And THAT'S where I think Valpo has a highly-underrated edge, even with the late-season stumbles (YSU, LMU) and close games.
For composure and togetherness, I'd take Valpo over any team given how many close games they've played and won. For versatility and the ability to make a adjustments? I don't think any team's won with a greater balance of weapons (perimeter, paint, or defense, take your pick). Detroit? If they're allowed to play their game, few can beat them, but if any team can take them even slightly off-course (and that's all it takes) it's Valpo.
I wouldn't be surprised if Valpo romps.
:thumbsup: Well said
Going for 6 in a row against Detroit.
I expect the game to be much like every game we play against Detroit. They'll have a couple cool dunks, maybe hit a few cool looking runners... probably take a lead before turning the ball over in the clutch and taking a dozen contested 3's. It'll probably be a close game, but Valpo is much better coached and will make adjustments that produce results, while Detroit players fight with each other to see who can shoot more NBA post-up shots. Valpo definitely matched up well versus Butler, but I think there's also a huge defensive, coaching, and bench mismatch that swings Valpo's way.
Hmm... is it just me having connection issues?
I can't get WAKE's stream to work, nor the chat room here.
At least ESPN3's working OK for me. And the chat room on the VU page is working...
Quote from: agibson on March 06, 2012, 07:44:21 PM
Hmm... is it just me having connection issues?
I can't get WAKE's stream to work, nor the chat room here.
At least ESPN3's working OK for me. And the chat room on the VU page is working...
Chat room isn't loading for you? Seems to be working ok.
Slow start. Detroit playing like usual. Forcing shots, some are falling, most aren't. Valpo's D looks good.
Well losing Kevin certainly don't help things.
Somehow, I never realized what a thuggish a-hole Macallum is. What a cocky piece of crap, I don't think I could root for him, even if I were a lifelong UDM fan.
And Harris needs to man up. It's big boy time.
Like father like son. Team is a bunch of goons.
Detroit player down, Kenney puts his hand down to help him up. ESPN cuts to Detroit fans chanting "F*** You". Essentially sums up these two institutions, regardless of the outcome.
No kidding. Stay classy, Detroit.
Rough game for our 2 guards Kenney and Boggs. For that matter, our PG play has been pretty bad, too.
Tough second half. KVW's injury didn't help.
Very tough end to a very good, though not epic, season.
Let Detroit have the 15 seed. (Could they manage a 16?)
Can Valpo get motivated for the NIT?
Yes, we played like absolute crap, missing open 3 after open 3. However, I will not root for Detroit in the NCAA tournament regardless of how much money a win gets our conference. Ray McCallum is an absolute piece of s*$%. Who in the world would dunk with time running out in the game and everyone else on the court is shaking hands...but Ray Jr? Not only that, but he purposefully is dribbling on our logo, much like TO did on the Cowboys star years ago. McCallum Sr. needs to look himself in the mirror in the morning, and realize that though he raised a good basketball player, he raised an absolute POS of a person as a son. Congrats on making the tournament Ray Jr, and I hope that you get injured before you can boast about yourself on more national television events...
Edit: You could tell that the announcers were totally confused as well, as they had just talked about how his boasting is a good thing. They sounded so beside themselves that he did that at the end. The basket should have counted as you could hear the basket before time ran out, but the refs probably were already off the court as well.
Most classless team in the Horizon, hands down.
Disappointing loss. Eh, there's some good power teams this year, so I thought we'd get trounced by a 2-3 seed. Detroit finished a letdown season back on top, but their poor play at the beginning of the season will earn them a 15 seed. I would wish them luck, but they proved to be a bunch of goons, so I will enjoy seeing them fighting with their own players and coach on CBS.
Let's tear up the NIT. Returning literally everyone next year... Going to be hungry for a tourney bid next year with hopefully a shot at a lot higher seed.
Man, I am fine that we lost as we did not deserve to win with how we played, but I can't get over how immature Detroit's team is. I would rather lose to Butler by 30 points than to those thugs by any amount, as Butler's players at least play with class. With Detroit as our representative, our league is going to look so thuggish.
Yep, Detroit won the game, and that's fine. However I have to agree that Detroit is about as classless as they come. I've cheered for whomever won the league in the NCAA's, but not this time. I hope they lose, and lose badly.
Well time to get ready for the Not Invited Tournament, at least this was a good building block for next year.
best coaching job of the year by ray sr? quite possibly. but detroit's players and fans can kiss my @$$. i won't wish them harm. but i certainly won't wish them well either. stay classy, thug city.
Lets give Ray McCallum credit for assembling a highly talented team. Despite not doing it with as much grace as we would like to see they are acting no different than a bunch of teams in the big six conferences. Detroit has incredible talent and they stay composed enough to win it all on Valpo's floor with having to play 4 games in conference which is a huge climb up in the double bye HL tourney. They really accomplished a great deal. I wish they could win their first round game. We'll see who they get. There will be a 2/3 seed that will be beatable and certainly won't want to play the Titans.
Congrats Detroit!
This is terribly disappointing, Detroit is the only team in the Horizon League that I absolutely cannot stand. Hopefully they get blown out by 35 in the first round and Ray gets a shot blocked directly into his arrogant face.
Detroit aside, we've had a wonderful surprise of a season and we should be proud of our guys. Next year is only going to be even better. Hopefully this loss lights a fire in their bellies and propels them to great success in the NIT. :thumbsup:
Two thoughts: First, I would agree that Detroit has no class. Second, I thought their Coach made a good adjustment at half by putting on the half court trap defense.
Paul
There is little to no poetic justice about this win...but such is the way of the real world I suppose. Once KVW was injured and the threes didn't start falling...trouble. Detroit kept their intensity long enough and seemingly crushed our will. Steal after steal after dunk after block gets hard to recover from after awhile. Congrats to Detroit who played a very good basketball game and showed their superior athletic ability. I'm sure the Catholic University of Detroit Mercy was very...proud...of the way their students showed support for their team...Alas, perhaps some sour grapes about the injustice of it all...but wow.
It was still a pleasantly surprising season overall though, a reg season championship, COY, POY, and an NIT bid are steps in the right direction. Let's win a game or two or three or four in the NIT!!!
The Doug Anderson dunk with about 10:23 remaining was the thing that deflated us. We just didn't do anything after that.
McCallum is the reason the rest of the HL is picking whatever #2 seed they'll be matched up against, if Detroit doesn't get a play-in game.
I was definitely tired of Mark Jones and Stephen Bardo with their "jobbin'" Detroit the whole game, from the locker room lead-in to a lot of points during the game itself. They had no real observations or interests in anything good that Valpo would have done, or that Valpo actually really did during the game. Did anyone remember to bring a cake and ice cream to celebrate Ray Sr.'s 51st birthday by chance?
They seem pretty classless, but they get get credit for completely taking apart what the Crusaders wanted to do. They were totally outplayed in the 2nd half.
At least this year we know VU gets a consolation prize
Quote from: valpotx on March 06, 2012, 10:27:11 PM
Man, I am fine that we lost as we did not deserve to win with how we played, but I can't get over how immature Detroit's team is. I would rather lose to Butler by 30 points than to those thugs by any amount, as Butler's players at least play with class. With Detroit as our representative, our league is going to look so thuggish.
Ageed! I don't recall Haward, Howard, Mack, or Nored making love to the camera after every made basket. Nored shows a lot of emotion clapping his hands and getting his team back on defense. Ray Jr. on the other hand specifically finds the camera to flex, pound his chest, and talk about how awesome he is. I watched the game with 6 people who have never seen Valpo or Detroit play and they all walked away respecting his play, but lacking respect for him as a person. As stated by my co-teacher at the high school I work at, "Who is that A** Hole on Detroits team? He is a good player, but I dislike everything about him."
Quote from: govalpogo on March 06, 2012, 10:37:04 PM
There is little to no poetic justice about this win...but such is the way of the real world I suppose. Once KVW was injured and the threes didn't start falling...trouble. Detroit kept their intensity long enough and seemingly crushed our will. Steal after steal after dunk after block gets hard to recover from after awhile. Congrats to Detroit who played a very good basketball game and showed their superior athletic ability. I'm sure the Catholic University of Detroit Mercy was very...proud...of the way their students showed support for their team...Alas, perhaps some sour grapes about the injustice of it all...but wow.
It was still a pleasantly surprising season overall though, a reg season championship, COY, POY, and an NIT bid are steps in the right direction. Let's win a game or two or three or four in the NIT!!!
Jesuit I think, not that it makes it any better ;D
I'll give credit to the team for winning. They hit shots and made plays consistently and we couldn't. They made the adjustments and they're off to the NCAAs. Given who they had to beat to get there, and having to win 4x in eight days and beat the top two seeds in the process, good for them. An attitude adjustment wouldn't hurt though to make that passion a little more constructive
And to valporun's point on "jobbin," I agree that the coverage was clearly slanted. I posted on the interactive page that you'd think Detroit was the #1 seed they way that broadcast started.
We played like crap. 18 turnovers and shooting 2-18 from behind the arc is a recipe for disaster. It was a game that really reminded me of the Wright State shellacking earlier in the year.
The only thing that was worse than our play was the attitude of the Detroit team. Running up the score when the game was already decided? Dunking at the buzzer? It shows a real lack of class.
Quote from: KL31NY on March 06, 2012, 10:41:56 PM
Quote from: govalpogo on March 06, 2012, 10:37:04 PM
There is little to no poetic justice about this win...but such is the way of the real world I suppose. Once KVW was injured and the threes didn't start falling...trouble. Detroit kept their intensity long enough and seemingly crushed our will. Steal after steal after dunk after block gets hard to recover from after awhile. Congrats to Detroit who played a very good basketball game and showed their superior athletic ability. I'm sure the Catholic University of Detroit Mercy was very...proud...of the way their students showed support for their team...Alas, perhaps some sour grapes about the injustice of it all...but wow.
It was still a pleasantly surprising season overall though, a reg season championship, COY, POY, and an NIT bid are steps in the right direction. Let's win a game or two or three or four in the NIT!!!
Jesuit I think, not that it makes it any better ;D
I'll give credit to the team for winning. They hit shots and made plays consistently and we couldn't. They made the adjustments and they're off to the NCAAs. Given who they had to beat to get there, and having to win 4x in eight days and beat the top two seeds in the process, good for them. An attitude adjustment wouldn't hurt though to make that passion a little more constructive
And to valporun's point on "jobbin," I agree that the coverage was clearly slanted. I posted on the interactive page that you'd think Detroit was the #1 seed they way that broadcast started.
St. Ignatius would be proud! ;)
Side note, did Ray's dunk at the end count before the buzzer? We may have some controversy...
The live stats from CBS Game Tracker, the valpoathletics.com home page, the valpoathletics.com box score, and the first lower third with the final on the live ESPN telecast said 70-50. The dunk counted and Ray was credited with 21 points. However, the final lower third on the telecast was changed to 68-50, and the ESPN.com boxscore and the live highlights on SportsCenter all said 68-50 with Ray only having 19 points. The AP story attached to the ESPN site says 68-50 final, but that Ray still had 21 points. Also, the warning about a new reply on the forum popped up, and I check ESPN.com again and the score's been changed to 70-50 but Ray still has 19 points... very confusing.
I don't think it has sunk in yet that our taem just lost a game at our own home court to that collection of individuals wearing Detroit jerseys. I've been following Valpo since my freshman year in '07, and there have been several games to get geeked up about, so it had the same feel as those, but in retrospect, its kind of surreal that we essentially let our opportunity slip through our fingers. Up nine more than halfway through the first, and then it we just collapse.
Detroit really did start playing some solid defense. However, they really didn't turn up their, offense, either, and we were in the game a lot longer than I felt we could be. I kept hoping, wishing, thinking that somehow, some way, if we just got two or three shots in a row to go, we might get some momentum. In the end, it wasn't meant to be. The prognosticators at the beginning of the season were accurate in predicting Detroit was the best team in the conference, to some extent. I feel they do have a collection of some of the better athletes in the conference, and their trap defense in the second half was impressive.
Am I happy they are representing us in the Dance? Definitely not. They will get no higher than a 15, unless several other teams such as Western Kentucky win their tourneys, which won't happen. They are completely classless. Their fans' behavior and McCallum's ridiculousness speak for itself, as does McCallum the elder's willingness to allow these actions to continue. While in school, I am fairly certain they were the only team to ever actually recognize the student section as being there, meaning they weren't focused and well coached, imo.
has been said before, but any other team would better represent the HL.
I also agree that ESPN's broadcast was awkwardly slanted towards Detroit, especially the beginning. The first two minutes were lauding Detroit. OK, they won three games to get here. But Valpo has the COY, POY, KVW, top seed, regular season champs at that point. It did rub me the wrong way, and am glad it did to some others, as well.
That game was hard to watch in the second half. Didn't really enjoy McCallum Jr.s jawing at the camera every made shot. But you have to give Detroit credit, they outplayed Valpo big time in the second half. I'm surprised Ray Sr. actually did a decent coaching job. It didn't help that Boggs, Buggs, Bogan and Harris were like 2-15 shooting. It was a nice run this season. At least one more game left in the post-season. Come back strong next year and win both the HL regular season and tournament.
BTW, Ray Jr. is getting shredded on Twitter right now. Not just Valpo fans either. Not surprised.
Obviously, Valpo did not have its 3-point shots falling tonight, but it didn't matter much in the first half because the points were coming inside the paint, and Valpo had a commanding lead in rebounds. In fact, some of Kevin's shots were uncontested lay-ups. However, after Kevin's injury the game turned around. When he was hurt, Valpo was up by 8 or 9, and as soon as he went to the locker room, Detroit cut the lead to 3 at the half. In the second half it was clear that Kevin couldn't run full speed, and he couldn't go forcibly for rebounds. Without that, the team needed more jump shots to fall, but they did not; therefore, the team began to look lost. There was also a rumor in my section that Ryan wasn't feeling a hundred percent tonight: I don't know about that one for sure.
Nevertheless, Detroit exhibited the quickness and athleticism that everyone has mentioned since pre-season and feared would give them an advantage, and McCallum played the way everyone expected since pre-season. Give them full credit for that. Still, Detroit and its fans displayed some of the most blatant examples of classless behavior I have seen. As someone else has mentioned, it made me appreciate the class with which Butler's team conducts itself, no matter how hard-fought the game may be. That class or lack of class comes as a result of the coach and the atmosphere within the locker room.
McCallum's display throughout the game was far more offensive than the behavior that supposedly earned Edwards his ejection earlier this season. Also, the constant chanting of obscenities by the Detroit fans only gave their university a black eye on national television. Finally, the dunk by McCallum should be remembered. In fact, video of McCallum and the fans should be preserved and shown to the team before each game against Detroit next year, especially when we have the bigger bodies of Capobianco and Fernandez to pound inside.
I said earlier in the year that Valpo needed to learn to respond to teams like Detroit with a bit more attitude of their own; unfortunately, that wasn't showing tonight. I hope McCallum tries some of his antics against a team in the NCAA tournament that is less likely to tolerate the behavior; my guess is that he'll quickly be introduced to the hardwood. I know a player acting like him would have been knocked down a few times even in the YMCA games I used to play.
Rowdy posted on Facebook shortly after, mentioned "sickness or no sickness".
POY sick and Kevin hurt; no making excuses but damn.
Like most of you, I applaud Detroit for its run through the tournament and for finally playing at the level everyone thought they were capable of reaching. Also like most of you, I am not pleased with the lack of class/character they showed in winning. Clearly we have a better quality of student-athlete on our team than the athletes on their team. That having been said, I think we have to give them credit for their defensive effort, particularly in the second half. They effectively cut off the passing lanes and we seldom moved into our offense in the manner we intended. It seems to me that Detroit is a team that plays well when things are going well, but one that doesn't handle adversity very well. That seemed obvious in the two halves. Detroit was more tentative, less aggressive and shot with less confidence when it was behind in the first half. Detroit started the second half strongly, we made a couple of mistakes to help them and they began to play with a great deal of confidence, making shots they couldn't make earlier in the game -- even when not contested. I felt a turning point came somewhere in early/middle of the second half when on nearly successive plays Kenney was called for a rather cheap foul on a McCallum (?) drive 20 feet from the basket and on our end an apparent foul on a double team was not called. That potentially four-point swing really helped give Detroit momentum it never lost. And we began to play on our heels and with less confidence than we'd shown earlier. None of this is meant to negate the the problems that Detroit's quickness gave us, nor to take away from what was a good game on their part. But if those 2-3 minutes at that stretch had gone differently, I might feel better right now. ESPN commentators on Sports Center tabbed Detroit as a team that can win a first-round game; I'd probably agree if I knew whether tonight's Detroit team or one from December will show up. As for Valpo, I'd like to see a decent pairing in the NIT and a chance to win a game or two. The good news is our players will get at least one more game of experience and an opportunity to move on from tonight's game. And, if you had promised me in pre-season that we'd win 22 games and being playing the the HL title game, I'd have taken that outcome in a second.
I think you just said it all. Very nice summary.
Yes Rowdy was under the weather. I spoke to him a few hours before the game and he said he had a tummy bug and hadn't eaten all day, that didn't sound good so I was worried. But I know he would not use that as an excuse as Detroit were better on the day and he tried his hardest just wasn't meant to be. Well done guys you did us all proud when no one gave you any hope in finishing higher than 5th well you showed them. Congrats to Detroit but shame on their fans and Jnr for carrying on the way they did, bad language and show boating. At least our guys know how to win and loose with style, class, grace and dignity, Detroit could learn a thing or two. Now dad McCallum take your boy home and give him a clip around the ears because he was embarassing, that's what I would do to my son if he carried on the way that your son did even if I had to stand on a chair to reach him. Needless to say that wont happen but karma is a b*^#h and you will get yours one day. I was going to root for the Horizon League team that made it if we didn't make it well that's not going to happen now and it's not sour grapes on my part just disgust in the way they carried on and the one sided commentating by those two muppet ESPN knobs. Our guys you've had a taste and now you know what to do next year so the fire in the belly will burn brightly and I for one am looking forward to it all happening again next year and this time we will be there in person to cheer you all on. Thanks to all the Valpo fans who have supported, befriended, cheered and clapped for Rowdy. We all appreciated it and I know he has too. He will be back next year and it will be onward and upward to bigger things for this wonderful group of young men.
Thanks to you all from Rowdy's family in Melbourne, Australia :) :thumbsup:
Koala wrote: "Thanks to all the Valpo fans who have supported, befriended, cheered and clapped for Rowdy. We all appreciated it and I know he has too. He will be back next year and it will be onward and upward to bigger things for this wonderful group of young men.
Thanks to you all from Rowdy's family in Melbourne, Australia (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/Smileys/classic/smiley.gif) (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/Smileys/classic/thumbsup.gif)"
Thanks to you as well, Koala, and to Rowdy, not only for his play but for the great way he represents his family, his country, and now Valparaiso. You ought to be proud. Watching the antics by Detroit's players and fans reminded me how classy the players on our team seem to be. All the Valpo players I have met and with whom I have spoken, particularly Ryan, appear to be impressive young men both on and off the court.
Also, don't talk so quickly about moving on to next year. There is still the NIT tournament ahead to earn another banner for the year!
As to the NIT, this team needs to learn how to beat a Big 6 conference team to really be prepared for next year. The good thing about the NIT is we will likely have a good match up in that 1st round. Northwestern sits out there, a mediocre ACC (NC State, Va Tech (a Boggs reunion)), Big 12/Pac 10 or Big Least team as well. I believe it was Wichita State who had a tremendous NIT run last year and that set them up for this year. We have been on a 5 year building program, I still think we are one year ahead of that plan. An NCAA bid this year would have had us completing that 5-yr plan. Yet, we have an HL championship, an auto NIT, POY, COY, 1st teamer KVH, and integrated 3 new players. That means we are set up for their senior years very well. We learned about winning the conference, we learned about playing at hostile environs, we competed against Arizona and a half w OSU. But for this team to make the leap for the whole program, it needs a couple big name team wins, and the NIT is the place to go hunting.
It just gets worse:
DETROIT FANS SUSPECTED IN VU-AREA VANDALISM
Police are investigating a number of vandalism reports near the Valparaiso University campus following Tuesday night's Horizon League Men's Basketball Championship game against the University of Detroit Mercy. According to Valparaiso police, about 10:30 p.m. officers began receiving vandalism reports when a 33-year-old law student reported damage to the front door of this apartment in the 300 block of College Avenue and his car parked outside. Police said the damage was caused by a black permanent marker.
Officers patrolling the area then began finding other damage, all reportedly caused with a black permanent marker.
A one-way street sign at College Avenue and Union Street was tagged "313 Detroit Titans" and a passerby told officers a group of six to eight people wearing Detroit shirts were seen walking in the area just prior to the game.
Two signs on Morgan Boulevard and Brown Street also were hit with Detroit graffiti, as was a sign at Union Street and Garfield Avenue.
Police also reportedly found graffiti on the door of a house in the 600 block of Union Street and on the rear bumper of a car parked in the 400 block of Locust Street.
Read more: http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/porter/valparaiso/police-detroit-fans-suspected-in-vu-area-vandalism/article_bd6179b2-86f7-5c85-9d6d-adab4f9c2c7a.html#ixzz1oS92J1OM (http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/porter/valparaiso/police-detroit-fans-suspected-in-vu-area-vandalism/article_bd6179b2-86f7-5c85-9d6d-adab4f9c2c7a.html#ixzz1oS92J1OM)
Detroit fans seriously have nothing better to do? This is infuriating. And I say this as someone whose parents live in the metro Detroit area. Making Valpo look more like Detroit doesn't help anyone. >:(
That is ridiculous, and again, speaks to the fans at that game. Stay classy Detroit
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Tell you what, you promise not to paint U of D, it's players, fans, and city with broad strokes because of the actions of a couple people, and I'll promise not to assume that everyone associated with VU is a racist just because a few students set your MLK Center on fire a couple years ago, spray-painted racist grafiti around campus, like to call our mostly-black team "thugs" for no apparent reason, and that most of your players are Caucasian.
Deal?
Quote from: DCBaller on March 07, 2012, 12:27:07 PM
Tell you what, you promise not to paint U of D, it's players, fans, and city with broad strokes because of the actions of a couple people, and I'll promise not to assume that everyone associated with VU is a racist just because a few students set your MLK Center on fire a couple years ago, spray-painted racist grafiti around campus, like to call our mostly-black team "thugs" for no apparent reason, and that most of your players are Caucasian.
Deal?
DCBaller,
What are you trying to prove? You come to our board the day after your team beats ours in the HL Championship, on our home court in a game in which your best player showed up our team, your fans chanted profanities and then went around town vandalizing property.
Did you really expect us to be all happy and not be a little irrational today?
Let us vent, enjoy the NCAA Tournament.
I can tell you that there definitely is no racist intent in my calling a few of your players thugs. That stems from them getting in fights with fraternity brothers, previous thrown furniture/lamps at a coach, dunking as time runs out, as well as a few of the other instances some of them have been involved in. Thug is not a term used to describe African American individuals in my vernacular, it has to do with the actions of a person: black, white, green, blue, whatever their ethnicity...
Fair enough! Vent away . . . .
Quote from: DCBaller on March 07, 2012, 12:27:07 PMa few students set your MLK Center on fire a couple years ago, spray-painted racist grafiti around campus
Fact check. Charges were dropped against the student originally thought to have been involved in the fire. The other events that you noted occurred mainly in the town and at the high school with no connection that I am aware of to the university. While the city itself was a hot bed of KKK activity in the 20's and 30's the university has worked hard to overcome the idea that while it is predominately white (German Lutherans tend to be Caucasian) all nations and races are welcome. I think the diverse makeup of the team shows that remarkably well.
Is there racism at VU? Most certainly, just as there is on any campus. How did this become a racism thing??
As disappointed as I am in the lack of class shown by Detroit, I still have to say that I'm more disappointed in Valpo's performance than everything:
- Outscored by 27 points in the final 21 minutes
- 2-for-18 from beyond the arc (started mindlessly jacking up 3's way too early)
- Gave up 11 offensive rebounds for 11 second-chance points
- Outside of Broekhoff and Van Wijk, the team went 7-for-29 from the field, including 2-for-14 in the second half (two non-100% players clearly can't carry a team to victory)
- 18 turnovers, gave up 20 points off turnovers (whereas we only scored two off turnovers)
- Valpo fouled Detroit four times in the first two minutes of the half
- Valpo had one timeout left with 10 minutes to go
Detroit definitely stepped up their defense in the second half, but I felt like Valpo helped them out too. Perhaps Detroit finally showed that they are the better team, but they are definitely not 20 points better than Valpo. Bryce himself admitted that it was one of their most sub-par performances this season.
I think the poor performance by VU in the second half was a calculated move by the Crusaders. After witnessing the behavior of the Detroit fans throughout the first half, the decision was made to allow the Titans victory in the second half. After all, one can only speculate and envision the greater extent of large scale damages to the community those Detroit fans would have caused had they lost the game. /sarcasm
Quote from: FWalum on March 07, 2012, 02:14:56 PM
Quote from: DCBaller on March 07, 2012, 12:27:07 PMa few students set your MLK Center on fire a couple years ago, spray-painted racist grafiti around campus
Fact check. Charges were dropped against the student originally thought to have been involved in the fire. The other events that you noted occurred mainly in the town and at the high school with no connection that I am aware of to the university. While the city itself was a hot bed of KKK activity in the 20's and 30's the university has worked hard to overcome the idea that while it is predominately white (German Lutherans tend to be Caucasian) all nations and races are welcome. I think the diverse makeup of the team shows that remarkably well.
Is there racism at VU? Most certainly, just as there is on any campus. How did this become a racism thing??
Unfortunately, without going into too much depth to create more responses on such a topic, often people turn to that accusation when they feel someone's opinion is profoundly different than their own. I haven't seen any indication by any poster that racism should have been accused on this forum, and feel it was thrown out there way too easily in this instance.
Back to the topic: we can only blame ourselves for the loss based on all that has been discussed. Yes, we/I can be pissed at how unsportsmanlike their team was, but now we must move on to hopefully winning the NIT!
Link to Horizon League review of the championship game and post-game activities, featuring highlights and Ray's buzzer-beating dunk... no comment
http://bit.ly/xETmaf (http://bit.ly/xETmaf)
I think you're all missing the point. Of course it is absurd to take that 2009 MLK incident and use it to make assumptions about Valpo students or the community at large, just as it is absurd to take the actions of a few students (or non-students, we don't really know) and make assumptions about the broader U of D student body, or the city of Detroit.
Throughout these threads, the youthful exuberance and passion of Ray McCallum, at times perhaps misguided in its manifestation, is being used to portray the whole team, and its coach, in a negative light (e.g. words like "thugs", "sleazy", and "classless" have been thrown around) Why? Because Ray pounded the floor on defense, and tried to fire up Detroit fans and players after he made big plays, and, well, because you lost.
So the whole point of referencing the 2009 incident is that there are bad seeds in both communities, but none of these things have anything to do with basketball or the outcome of yesterday's game, or the character of its participants, or the quality of the two schools.
Baller what do you think about the video showing the fact he clearly looks at the clock before heading for the dunk, and then says afterwords that he thought the game was over? Does he really not understand that if the clock has time on it, the game is still in progress? I thought he made the dean's list? Sounds like a fine academic institution.
Just for clarification sake, no one is saying that him pounding the floor to get amped on defense was bad sportsmanship. That happens all the time, and is fine. The instance at the end of the game people are referring to is when he was clearly thumping the basketball on our logo while looking down, as if he knew what he was doing (Terrell Owens on the Cowboys star). This was just before he looked at the clock to make sure he could dunk it at the end. Also, he was not looking at the fans most of the time when he was beating his chest, it was directly at the TV cameras, which was to the side of the fans in many instances (or on the court after a timeout was called). He did do it the fans as well, which is perfectly fine, but making sure to cater to the TV cameras whenever they were around was a bit excessive.
chef - I'd call that irrational youthful exuberance. He shouldn't have done it. Please accept this sincere apology on behalf of the state of Michigan. Let's take those two points off the board and call it an 18 pt win instead, k?
You're not getting it baller. Everyone's points are that he is immature and about himself. Don't give me this 'youthful exuberance' crud. When I was playing baseball at Valpo at ages 18-21, our players knew not to bunt when you are up 10+ runs, steal second or third when up by 10+ runs, etc. This is stuff you grow up with if you are about sportsmanship. No one is saying we should have won the game with how we played, we accept the loss. We just hate the way our opponent handled themselves in victory, as we wouldn't have done any of that busch league crap.
Quote from: DCBaller on March 07, 2012, 04:13:23 PM
I think you're all missing the point. Of course it is absurd to take that 2009 MLK incident and use it to make assumptions about Valpo students or the community at large, just as it is absurd to take the actions of a few students (or non-students, we don't really know) and make assumptions about the broader U of D student body, or the city of Detroit.
Throughout these threads, the youthful exuberance and passion of Ray McCallum, at times perhaps misguided in its manifestation, is being used to portray the whole team, and its coach, in a negative light (e.g. words like "thugs", "sleazy", and "classless" have been thrown around) Why? Because Ray pounded the floor on defense, and tried to fire up Detroit fans and players after he made big plays, and, well, because you lost.
So the whole point of referencing the 2009 incident is that there are bad seeds in both communities, but none of these things have anything to do with basketball or the outcome of yesterday's game, or the character of its participants, or the quality of the two schools.
Like '04 already told you, come back tomorrow after we've all simmered down and we'll see everything your way. It's kind of hard right now to accept your premise that God supports the use of player tampering in violation of NCAA rules in order to "save" certain troubled players, but then maybe it's just sour grapes on my part. By tomorrow I'll probably see that the Detroit coaching staff is simply doing God's will. Today I'm thinking that you played the race card in a cheap attempt to deflect blame away from the knucklehead players and fans that caused all of yesterday's needless drama. By tomorrow I'll probably see it your way that we all have our good and bad points. Who knows - by tomorrow I may even see you as a genius instead of my current impression of you as a big know-nothing blowhard.
He didn't violate any NCAA rules and there were no violations. He had a corrupt boss in Sampson. If anything blame Indiana for hiring a guy who had gotten into trouble at Oklahoma. If you're boss was a jackass, would you want people to assume that you are a jackass too? Is that fair? Crean was desperately trying to hold onto players, and he is an extremely competitive guy, and Holman was a big recruit. McCallum recruited Holman to Indiana. They were like family. If you were Eli, would you have wanted to stay in Bloomington the last few years?
I think it's worth mentioning that while the other members of the Titans were celebrating, Holman and Lowe joined the Crusaders at mid-court for the after game prayer. I really hadn't anticipated seeing that, and it made me pause to think about the opinions that I had formed, perhaps unfairly, about Holman.
I saw the same scene that humble just mentioned about Holman and Lowe joining in with the post-game prayer at center court. My mom thought they were being jerks, until I talked her off her soapbox. That was cool to see on tv. I also didn't like McCallum's decorum on the court, making all that happened seem like it was about him, and not the school, but if you notice, the worst of his "playing to the cameras" came during the timeouts, and in no way "taunted" Valpo. I was definitely upset with ESPN for making it so camera-worthy every time he did it. I felt the coverage of the game by ESPN and their announcers was biased and unprofessional.
In terms of what Ray Sr. said about "act like you've been there before", I felt at first that was playing to the cameras, but based on how all but his own son actually followed this "pep talk", I feel that readied Detroit for a good game, which they showed. Sadly, I wish Ray Jr. actually took all of that to heart as well. Yes, be a leader on the court, and get your teammates' head in the game, but don't act like a tool when the whistle is blown and the game goes to a timeout/tv break.
Quote from: KL31NY on March 07, 2012, 04:09:36 PM
Link to Horizon League review of the championship game and post-game activities, featuring highlights and Ray's buzzer-beating dunk... no comment
http://bit.ly/xETmaf (http://bit.ly/xETmaf)
Clearly, McCallum looked at the clock before he dunked, which means his explanation after the game that he thought time had run out also makes him a liar. In addition, I find it troubling that the Horizon League narrator seems to applaud McCallum's unsportsmanlike act.
http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2012/03/game-wrap-up-we-were-this-close.html (http://sectionee.blogspot.com/2012/03/game-wrap-up-we-were-this-close.html)
Quote from: humbleopinion on March 07, 2012, 05:17:29 PM
I think it's worth mentioning that while the other members of the Titans were celebrating, Holman and Lowe joined the Crusaders at mid-court for the after game prayer. I really hadn't anticipated seeing that, and it made me pause to think about the opinions that I had formed, perhaps unfairly, about Holman.
It was good to see young men giving thanks for their God given abilities. I actually thought that Holman and Lowe acted with composure and maturity during the game even in some situations that in the past might have caused issues.
Kind of puzzling why the commentator would add in the part about Ray dunking at the end, as if it was a positive. I guess you kind of have to support the team that won the conference tournament if you work for the HL, and have to mention it as it is being talked about a lot. If Ray comes back, our players need to remember this loss, but especially this disrespect.
As I mentioned in another thread, VU's performance in 2H bothers me more than RMc's theatrics. We phoned it in the last 5 minutes, and were outscored by 27 points the last 25 minutes of the game. Sometimes, when the wheels come off the bus, it gets ugly.
Glad to hear about Holman and Lowe after the game. It sounds like Holman is getting his life back on track ... and that is outstanding. That young man is very talented.
Regarding the tagging (313 - Titans). I lived in the VU neighborhood for 25 years and had very little vandalism. Hopefully my property didnt get tagged. That was a punk move by someone who has very little regard for personal property.
Overall, this community stacks up well when compared to Detroit in regards to vandalism, violence, racial incidents, and quality of life. Yes, there is work to do in all aspects of community and relations.
Now...just a couple of weeks ago we were complaining about those arrogant Butler fans. I dont like this trend.
For Pete's sake, this is basketball. Enjoy it and move on.
lowposter
I noticed on the Horizon League website that coach Bradbury of Wright State's women's team has issued an apology, which I assume is for his ejection at Butler after tossing his suit jacket into the crowd last Saturday: "I want to sincerely apologize for conduct that did not represent the values of Wright State University, my team and the Horizon League," Bradbury said. "I acted inappropriately for someone in a leadership position entrusted with setting an example of ethical and sportsmanlike behavior. I have apologized to the Wright State athletics administration, my team and the appropriate officiating crews and coaches. I intend to use this as a learning moment in my professional career."
This got me wondering why Detroit or the Horizon League has not offered a statement about the behavior of the Detroit students seen chanting "F*** You" on national television or about the criminal actions of vandalism and property damage in Valparaiso. At the least, Detroit University or the Horizon League should issue a statement of concern declaring that they are looking into the matters.
I hate to see this season being ruined by all the negative talk. In regards to an HL statement or whatever, doesn't the "deafening silence" answer that question?? :twocents:
Quote from: valpopal on March 09, 2012, 08:21:55 PM
This got me wondering why Detroit or the Horizon League has not offered a statement about the behavior of the Detroit students seen chanting "F*** You" on national television or about the criminal actions of vandalism and property damage in Valparaiso. At the least, Detroit University or the Horizon League should issue a statement of concern declaring that they are looking into the matters.
The HL maybe, but Detroit? That's like the fox saying he (or she in the case of Detroit) is going to conduct a thorough investigation of why chickens are missing in the hen house.
You got that right WH! 8) :thumbsup:
No wonder fans on the Detroit message board don't think graffiti is any big deal:
http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php?topic=45633.0 (http://chronicle.com/forums/index.php?topic=45633.0)
I sympathize with some defending the campus and city from detractors: it's an urban campus. There are some things that come with that territory. Even the University of Chicago's campus isn't completely a walk in the park.
I'm also interested to hear about the housing loan (and loan forgiveness?!) program for faculty. Unfortunately, the link's broken and the program doesn't easily google.
Quote from: valpopal on March 09, 2012, 08:21:55 PM....... or about the criminal actions of vandalism and property damage in Valparaiso. At the least, Detroit University or the Horizon League should issue a statement of concern declaring that they are looking into the matters.
....Can someone quickly summarize the acts of vandalism and property damage? On campus, in town, what? ???
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 11, 2012, 02:38:25 PM
Quote from: valpopal on March 09, 2012, 08:21:55 PM....... or about the criminal actions of vandalism and property damage in Valparaiso. At the least, Detroit University or the Horizon League should issue a statement of concern declaring that they are looking into the matters.
....Can someone quickly summarize the acts of vandalism and property damage? On campus, in town, what? ???
http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/porter/valparaiso/police-detroit-fans-suspected-in-vu-area-vandalism/article_bd6179b2-86f7-5c85-9d6d-adab4f9c2c7a.html#ixzz1oS92J1OM (http://www.nwitimes.com/news/local/porter/valparaiso/police-detroit-fans-suspected-in-vu-area-vandalism/article_bd6179b2-86f7-5c85-9d6d-adab4f9c2c7a.html#ixzz1oS92J1OM)
Thanks valpopal. Fro the article, it appears to be isolated, fairly limited and probably the work of a couple miscreants. Glad it wasn't worse. But there is no place for that kind of junk -- nor the UD-M chant.
An example from which Detroit's university president can learn a lesson in how to react to poor student behavior:
USM Apologizes to Kansas State
PITTSBURGH – Southern Miss has issued a formal apology to Kansas State for the behavior of the USM pep band during today's NCAA Tournament basketball game in Pittsburgh.When freshman KSU point guard Angel Rodriguez stepped to the free throw line today at the CONSOL Energy Center, the USM band chanted "Where's your green card?"
"We deeply regret the remarks made by a few students at today's game," USM president Martha Saunders said today in a press release. "The words of these individuals do not represent the sentiments of our pep band, athletic department or university. We apologize to Mr. Rodriguez and will take quick and appropriate disciplinary action against the students involved in this isolated incident."
http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/article/20120315/SPORTS/120315018/USM-apologizes-Kansas-State-band-s-racist-chant?odyssey=tab (http://www.hattiesburgamerican.com/article/20120315/SPORTS/120315018/USM-apologizes-Kansas-State-band-s-racist-chant?odyssey=tab)|topnews|text|FRONTPAGE
Can you really discipline someone for this free speech? I guess you can if they are in the band and on a university-paid trip? Of course, I am not a proponent of such chants, just curious.
They can't exactly dismiss what was said by the students, but as a university representative, the students in the pep band are held to a bit of a higher standard than the student section at the NCAA tourney games. Remember, the band has access to the tournament that the general fan doesn't get, being court side and have live microphones on them so they can be heard clearly in the arena and on television. Free speech or not, they were still representing Southern Mississippi by being in the band, and wearing apparel that shows what institution they are representing.
Quote from: valpotx on March 16, 2012, 12:16:31 AM
Can you really discipline someone for this free speech? I guess you can if they are in the band and on a university-paid trip? Of course, I am not a proponent of such chants, just curious.
The ref could give the team a technical, presumably? Or eject the fans from the venue? Or probably the hosts could do the ejecting, instead.
The school's administration could kick them out of the pep band.
i don't know if it's wise to bring this back up or not, but i'm going to anyway.
there's been some resolution in the issue about the chant by the southern miss pep band. http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/20/five-from-southern-miss-pep-band-disciplined/?test=latestnews (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/20/five-from-southern-miss-pep-band-disciplined/?test=latestnews)
Wow, teachable moment is right. I guess they taught those kids a lesson. I hope there is some way for them to redeem themselves. I agree that the chant was beyond the pale of acceptability, but removing band scholarships without some road to redemption seems maybe a tad too harsh. Many BB players on scholarship have done worse and not been kicked off their teams so I don't know if there is equal treatment being dealt out in this situation.
Quote from: FWalum on March 21, 2012, 11:59:31 AM
Wow, teachable moment is right. I guess they taught those kids a lesson. I hope there is some way for them to redeem themselves. I agree that the chant was beyond the pale of acceptability, but removing band scholarships without some road to redemption seems maybe a tad too harsh. Many BB players on scholarship have done worse and not been kicked off their teams so I don't know if there is equal treatment being dealt out in this situation.
some of it may have been due to the national scale in which it happened. but i tend to agree that it may have been a bit harsh.
I suspect that happening during the NCAA tournament, and attracting 400,000 Youtube view in less than a week, may have had something to do with the severity of the response.
The thought I have about the band members, they're not the reason tickets are being sold. They used bad judgement, like most college kids do, but this was bad judgement at its worst.