The men's and women's basketball programs at Baylor University are facing possible NCAA sanctions following an investigation that uncovered more than 1,200 impermissible phone calls and text messages during a 29-month span.
Men's coach Scott Drew, women's coach Kim Mulkey and their assistants, were involved in the impermissible phone calls and texts. ESPN.com obtained a copy of the summary disposition, which was produced by the NCAA enforcement committee and Baylor.
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7791434/baylor-bears-teams-facing-possible-ncaa-sanctions (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/7791434/baylor-bears-teams-facing-possible-ncaa-sanctions)
Posting from my phone, so only a link...
http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=7791434 (http://m.espn.go.com/wireless/story?storyId=7791434)
I'm shocked! :-X
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The report concluded that Drew demonstrated a "failure to monitor" of the activities of two of his assistant coaches and that there also was an overall "failure to monitor" by the institution,
Improprieties at Baylor? Shocking, I tell you!
I always thought the school was a paragon of virtue.
goodbye Baylor assistants...in other Drew news..I heard they left a $10 tip on a $200 Easter brunch last Sunday. I figure this is due to Bryce taking the pay cut to stay at Valpo.
While I am a bit surprised, I'm sad to say I'm not at all shocked. I wish I were.
EE - You're insulting post about Bryce is a real turnoff. A bill for $200 for a brunch tells me that their party was probably 6 or larger, so the tip would have been automatically included in the bill. The $10 you're talking about was probably left by someone at the table as an extra tip for especially good service. Unless you have evidence to the contrary, I will assume that you made an honest mistake.
A 20% pretax tip should be about $35.00. A 5% tip would have been about $9.00. :-[
Interesting take here: http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/09/baylor-fans-should-be-ecstatic-about-the-timing-of-espns-report/ (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/09/baylor-fans-should-be-ecstatic-about-the-timing-of-espns-report/)
Quote from: StlVUFan on April 10, 2012, 01:01:23 AM
Interesting take here: http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/09/baylor-fans-should-be-ecstatic-about-the-timing-of-espns-report/ (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/09/baylor-fans-should-be-ecstatic-about-the-timing-of-espns-report/)
Now that is a very distorted opinion from one writer. He completely misses the fact that Homer was an asst at LSU and the reason Scott Drew took the job at Baylor after only one year of head coaching experience at Valpo.
Quote from: bbtds on April 10, 2012, 02:44:53 AM
Quote from: StlVUFan on April 10, 2012, 01:01:23 AM
Interesting take here: http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/09/baylor-fans-should-be-ecstatic-about-the-timing-of-espns-report/ (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/09/baylor-fans-should-be-ecstatic-about-the-timing-of-espns-report/)
Now that is a very distorted opinion from one writer. He completely misses the fact that Homer was an asst at LSU and the reason Scott Drew took the job at Baylor after only one year of head coaching experience at Valpo.
I am not here to defend Scott, but I don't find that to be a distorted opinion. In fact, I find it to be a very realistic attempt at connecting the dots.
The reporter who broke the story, Jason King, is very close to the Baylor program. Incidentally, he is also the writer who broke the news that Bryce interviewed at Mississippi State. Connect these dots: How would a Big 12 writer with ties to the Baylor program know that Bryce interviewed for an SEC job when that writer covers neither Valpo nor the SEC? And also ask yourself this: who would benefit from that information leaking out to the national media?
I also enjoyed the fact Baylor announced -- on the same day the violation story broke -- that Perry Jones III was leaving for the NBA, and Quincy Miller taking to Twitter to ask Baylor fans what he should do concerning his future. All this stuff is timed and orchestrated for a reason.
The violations story is basically a joke. A 29-month investigation yielded only impermissible phone calls? Oh my goodness! Baylor fans should be happy that is all the NCAA found. Scott Drew and Baylor get the sanctimonious treatment from the NCAA and people want to pile on because they are an easy target and do not have the cache of someone like the great Coach K or Roy Williams -- the sainted ones -- who both have also been involved in recruiting violations within the past calendar year.
Quote from: crusaderboy on April 10, 2012, 09:38:43 AM
The violations story is basically a joke. A 29-month investigation yielded only impermissible phone calls? Oh my goodness! Baylor fans should be happy that is all the NCAA found. Scott Drew and Baylor get the sanctimonious treatment from the NCAA and people want to pile on because they are an easy target and do not have the cache of someone like the great Coach K or Roy Williams -- the sainted ones -- who both have also been involved in recruiting violations within the past calendar year.
As the article points out, these violations are not only minimal but are no longer violations since the rule has recently been changed. Also, the violations cover all of Baylor sports, not just men's basketball. This is the sole result of an investigation lasting more than two years! Still, this will get some traction, especially in Big 12 circles where Scott is not very well liked by coaches at the major programs who see him and his program as upstarts.
Quote from: sectionee on April 09, 2012, 05:41:26 PM
goodbye Baylor assistants...in other Drew news..I heard they left a $10 tip on a $200 Easter brunch last Sunday. I figure this is due to Bryce taking the pay cut to stay at Valpo.
I hope this was a poor attempt at a joke sectionee... The only thing lied more about than recruiting phone calls is how much servers make in tips (just ask the IRS).
Quote from: crusaderboy on April 10, 2012, 09:38:43 AM
Quote from: bbtds on April 10, 2012, 02:44:53 AM
Quote from: StlVUFan on April 10, 2012, 01:01:23 AM
Interesting take here: http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/09/baylor-fans-should-be-ecstatic-about-the-timing-of-espns-report/ (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/09/baylor-fans-should-be-ecstatic-about-the-timing-of-espns-report/)
Now that is a very distorted opinion from one writer. He completely misses the fact that Homer was an asst at LSU and the reason Scott Drew took the job at Baylor after only one year of head coaching experience at Valpo.
The violations story is basically a joke. A 29-month investigation yielded only impermissible phone calls? Oh my goodness! Baylor fans should be happy that is all the NCAA found. Scott Drew and Baylor get the sanctimonious treatment from the NCAA and people want to pile on because they are an easy target and do not have the cache of someone like the great Coach K or Roy Williams -- the sainted ones -- who both have also been involved in recruiting violations within the past calendar year.
Sorry... its not a joke. Coach K offered a scholarship to a kid who was playing in a summer tournament, Roy Williams watched a workout for a kid but there was no proof he arranged it, which would have been a violation. Hardly the same as committing a major violation - labeled as such because of the sheer number of calls and texts - and attempting to cover it up while still on probation for the Dennehy murder.
QuoteDrew, women's coach Kim Mulkey and their assistants reportedly combined to send 738 impermissible text messages and made 528 impermissible calls over a span of nearly two-and-a-half years, most of which were committed by the men's staff in 2007 and 2008.
According to the ESPN report, which cited an NCAA report it had obtained, all coaches involved have acknowledged their parts in the violations. Another major violation occurred when former men's assistant Mark Morefield attempted to have two AAU coaches provide the NCAA with inaccurate information about a series of text messages.
The NCAA also reportedly cited Drew with a "failure to monitor" his assistants and hit Baylor with the same charge overall. Drew also paid four men involved with recruiting services between $200 and $500 to cover his elite camp in 2007.
But worst of all for Drew, many of the NCAA rules broken occurred while the Bears were serving five years' probation handed down in 2005 for violations found in the aftermath of the murder of former men's basketball player Patrick Dennehy.
QuoteThe NCAA doesn't care that Baylor's athletics department is currently enjoying its most success in university history. And rightfully so, because it has been far less lenient with programs that commit violations while already on probation, let alone one that was already in trouble for one of the worst scandals in the history of college athletics.
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/baylor-bears-coach-scott-drew-reportedly-hit-with-ncaa-violations-040912 (http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebasketball/story/baylor-bears-coach-scott-drew-reportedly-hit-with-ncaa-violations-040912)
It is a joke. Just because it is a rule doesn't mean it has that much validity. Consider the rule has since been changed. And while the numbers seem like a lot, the reality is it is spread over a period of 2 1/2 years, which is basically 900 days. Those numbers on a proper scale don't seem that bad to me in the world of big-time recruiting.
Also consider also that any program investigated over the span of time the Baylor program was investigated for would be found to have done something wrong. Any program.
Point is, those incidents with K and Williams were just within the past year. Their careers are peppered with such incidents. But over time they have built up the capacity to be insulated from most of these allegations. Scott has not. Lester Earl, Jaron Rush, Chris Duhon.
crusaderboy is taking me back to my original contention, which still seems valid: Scott Drew is getting all this heat *not* because he's pushing the envelope, but because he's better at it than Rick Barnes (for example) is. I've been smelling a *lot* of jealousy out of certain sectors of the Big 12 the past few years.
I will say that the one thing in all this that *did* shock me is the alleged message from Mark Morefield about deportation, and it seems like that particular aspect has been dealt with satisfactorily (if not swiftly).
Quote from: crusaderboy on April 10, 2012, 11:21:17 AM
It is a joke. Just because it is a rule doesn't mean it has that much validity. Consider the rule has since been changed. And while the numbers seem like a lot, the reality is it is spread over a period of 2 1/2 years, which is basically 900 days.
1266 phone calls and text messages over 900 days... or more than a call/text a day. That's a lot, no matter how you try to spin it.
QuoteThose numbers on a proper scale don't seem that bad to me in the world of big-time recruiting.
Also consider also that any program investigated over the span of time the Baylor program was investigated for would be found to have done something wrong. Any program.
Point is, those incidents with K and Williams were just within the past year. Their careers are peppered with such incidents. But over time they have built up the capacity to be insulated from most of these allegations. Scott has not. Lester Earl, Jaron Rush, Chris Duhon.
Point is, a rule is a rule, whether you find it stupid or not. Baylor was on probation and Scott broke the rule while on probation. Most organizations come down hard if there are further transgressions once they find out of a wrongdoing... ask the New Orleans Saints.
Also, generalizations and accusations that cannot be backed up don't strengthen your argument. Saying every program has broken rules or done something wrong over the same timespan as Baylor is foolish.
I also want to be clear that I'm not arguing that Drew should be fired or anything like that and I agree that its a silly rule, but its a rule nonetheless and he broke it.
I am simply arguing that he did indeed commit a major infraction while on probation, tried to cover it up and got caught and should face some sort of penalty. I don't think anyone is out to get Drew simply because he is outwardly Christian and I don't think that the NCAA is playing favorites by punishing him and not others.
I think if the NCAA spent 29 months investigated every program in the SEC and most of the other "majors", some violations would be discovered at almost every school. This is the reality of big-time athletics. There were various stories out there why Brad Stevens should stay at Butler (one written by David Kaplan), because he's not a cheater, and would have to bend the rules if he went to Illinois. Let's face it, if the NCAA wants to find some violations, they will.
Quote from: valpo04 on April 10, 2012, 11:37:05 AMAlso, generalizations and accusations that cannot be backed up don't strengthen your argument. Saying every program has broken rules or done something wrong over the same timespan as Baylor is foolish.
I don't think it is foolish at all. On the contrary, I am trying to point out both the selective outcry when certain schools are found to have broken rules, or committed violations, and also the selective doggedness with which the NCAA goes after certain schools.
I know this will not sit well with many, but Tark -- himself no angel, but at least he wasn't a hypocrite and he called out the NCAA for its corruptness -- was fond of saying, "The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky they just put Cleveland State on probation."
Scott already has faced some penalties self-imposed by the school. The question is whether the NCAA will add to them.
Quote from: valpo04 on April 10, 2012, 11:37:05 AM
1266 phone calls and text messages over 900 days... or more than a call/text a day. That's a lot, no matter how you try to spin it.
When including text messages with phone calls, the numbers could be deceiving, as is often the case with statistics of any kind. Anyone who is involved with texting knows the back-and-forth messages could add up very quickly, and it wouldn't be unrealistic to see 20 or more messages sent in a single conversation. Also, we must remember that figure includes the Baylor women's program, not just the men's basketball program. In fact, it seems the women's program and the recruiting of Griner was the focus of attention in the original investigation. Moreover, most of the impermissable calls or messages by the men's program took place in 2007 and 2008.
I have to agree that just about any major program out there can be found to have something wrong in regards to NCAA violations. I knew many of my classmates in HS who were recruited by major programs in TX for a variety of sports can speak to this as well. Those 'Longhorn Foundation,' 'Razorback Foundation,' etc type associations...back then they were definitely all women students, and were arranged by the players on various teams to do some not up to NCAA standards stuff to try and gain commitments....I know some got caught for this type of thing, was it Colorado a few years back?
More or less my point:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/18425185/release-of-ncaa-violations-a-great-day-at-baylor-and-hes-not-kidding (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/18425185/release-of-ncaa-violations-a-great-day-at-baylor-and-hes-not-kidding)
Quote from: crusaderboy on April 10, 2012, 03:06:08 PM
More or less my point:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/18425185/release-of-ncaa-violations-a-great-day-at-baylor-and-hes-not-kidding (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/18425185/release-of-ncaa-violations-a-great-day-at-baylor-and-hes-not-kidding)
Generally agree with all of that, even if it means agreeing with a Jersey Shore look-a-like...
(http://sports.cbsimg.net/images/cbss/ui5/authors/100x100/10310.png)
Quote from: crusaderboy on April 10, 2012, 03:06:08 PM
More or less my point:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/18425185/release-of-ncaa-violations-a-great-day-at-baylor-and-hes-not-kidding (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/18425185/release-of-ncaa-violations-a-great-day-at-baylor-and-hes-not-kidding)
You got that right crusaderboy! Heck, the compliance officer at Baylor deserves a raise if a few texts and phone calls are the only things they could find after almost 3 years of investigation.
Jason King just reported on Twitter no additional sanctions for Baylor
https://twitter.com/#!/JasonKingESPN/status/190158430521135105
Scott receives 2-game suspension:
http://m.nwitimes.com/mobile-touch-2/?disableTNStatsTracker=1#4b9a62fd-0e18-5b19-92c9-bbd05a8b1d04 (http://m.nwitimes.com/mobile-touch-2/?disableTNStatsTracker=1#4b9a62fd-0e18-5b19-92c9-bbd05a8b1d04)
Unlike the CBS article that declared the NCAA's two-year hunt at Baylor found little of consequence ("Illegal texts and phone calls for Drew's staff really are small stuff for an extensive NCAA probe."), the Post Tribune's Mike Hutton sees the NCAA report differently, almost as if it were a conviction of an act just short of a capital crime. He decides Drew was "found guilty of a major infraction," and he uses the situation as an opportunity to spew all his bottled up anti-Scott Drew venom:
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/11969363-556/no-way-to-ignore-drews-flaws-now.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/11969363-556/no-way-to-ignore-drews-flaws-now.html)
Quote from: valpopal on April 18, 2012, 09:29:43 PM
Unlike the CBS article that declared the NCAA's two-year hunt at Baylor found little of consequence ("Illegal texts and phone calls for Drew's staff really are small stuff for an extensive NCAA probe."), the Post Tribune's Mike Hutton sees the NCAA report differently, almost as if it were a conviction of an act just short of a capital crime. He decides Drew was "found guilty of a major infraction," and he uses the situation as an opportunity to spew all his bottled up anti-Scott Drew venom:
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/11969363-556/no-way-to-ignore-drews-flaws-now.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/11969363-556/no-way-to-ignore-drews-flaws-now.html)
Yeah, I read the article this morning and admit to being somewhat perplexed as to why Hutton felt the need to chime in on the Scott Drew situation.
Column was late and lazy.
And riddled with factual errors. How can anyone expect their opinion to be taken seriously when they are continually wrong on the simple facts.
A month ago, DJ Cooper recanted his mother's statement, and Ohio University issued an apology to Baylor. Andy Katz reported it, yet somehow Hutton doesn't know anything about it. My favorite was calling Billy Gillespie - Bobby Gillespie. There's more, but why go any further.
Quote from: chef on April 19, 2012, 12:20:21 PM
A month ago, DJ Cooper recanted his mother's statement, and Ohio University issued an apology to Baylor. Andy Katz reported it, yet somehow Hutton doesn't know anything about it. My favorite was calling Billy Gillespie - Bobby Gillespie. There's more, but why go any further.
Is he the Valpo version of David Haugh (who gets regularly lit up on WSCR for some of the same mistakes)?
I didn't pay close attention to the details, so I missed the boat there. As to my reaction to it (I saw it because Mark Lazerus tweeted it), I summed it up this way: I wish I could feel angry about the column, but somehow I just can't conjure that up. It's not that I agree with everything he wrote, it's that I just don't know how I feel anymore. I continue to think that most of the vitriol that comes Scott's way is 90% jealousy and 10% idealism. If I were to study the situation, I can see concluding that it would be making a mountain out of a mole-hill to call this a major violation on the level of Calipari, et. al. At the same time, it's hard for me to see even the purest soul advancing to that level in Division I College basketball and succeeding without getting his hands a little dirty, and because of that, I give a little latitude to those who feel disappointment over it. I also have seen Scott's ambition first hand a few times. I would not want to be in his shoes and lose sleep over the ethical challenges of running a clean program *and* seriously contending for a national championship on an annual basis.
And I know that some of this is artificial -- that some of what the NCAA expects of its "student-athletes" defies logic. I'm not some idealistic dreamer.
At the end of the day, I find myself applauding Scott more than scorning him (much more so probably) because he's out-gaming Rick Barnes and others, doing what they do (only better).
Furthermore, one of the things I noticed if I reflected on it a long time ago: it was often heralded that Homer Drew's staff always made certain to run a clean program. Given that the NCAA regulations are more complex than the nations tax code (or that's the impression I get), it is not hard to deduce that running a clean program means studying the rules and making sure everything you do does not violate those rules. If you are super-conscientious, you err on the side of caution and make sure there's no way your actions could be interpreted as violations even if it sounds okay, and I suspect Homer went that far. However, this suggests that at best, coaches are kind of reduced to running every thought they have through the compliance office and if they get an okay, then they may well do it, regardless of whether it actually might be unsavory (in truth, conscience comes into play as well, but even that gets complicated because it may be hard to justify not doing something that's legal just because it doesn't "feel right". That's just it: conscience may not be center stage here, which is where it should be in a perfect world. It lurks in the background as a watchdog (and some have better consciences than others), but it's not operating front and center at all times. I'm not blaming anyone for that, it's just evidence of how fallen the world we live in really is.
Sorry for the rambling... I don't feel any urges to disown Scott or anything like that, don't worry ;)
Not to get some people all riled up again, or anything, but:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/19753693/critical-coaches-who-is-the-most-overrated-coach-in-the-country (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/19753693/critical-coaches-who-is-the-most-overrated-coach-in-the-country)
Look on the bright side: he's one spot behind nemesis Rick Barnes.
Don't understand Roy Williams up there - all he has done is win. Recruiting is a big part of coaching.
if a quarter of your peers think you are--more than twice as many as say Scott Drew, 3rd place, is overrated--then that is definitely saying something.
the money quote is in the article: "he's won at Kansas and North Carolina, but who couldn't do that--aside from Matt Doherty?"
ZING
Scott makes another CBS list.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/19767908/critical-coaches-who-is-perceived-to-be-the-biggest-cheater-in-the-sport (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/19767908/critical-coaches-who-is-perceived-to-be-the-biggest-cheater-in-the-sport)
Wow...that's worse. Much worse, and at least Calipari was on the UNDERrated list...yeesh.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on August 10, 2012, 09:42:45 PM
Wow...that's worse. Much worse, and at least Calipari was on the UNDERrated list...yeesh.
If it walks like a duck...but, at the same time I found it very interesting that no one could say WHAT he was doing that was wrong, they were just convinced that he must be doing something wrong to be able to convince top 10 recruits to move to Waco! (there really isn't must there besides Baylor).
We all know what a great recruiter Scott is and they are envious, to say the least!
what's kind of funny to me is that Scott finished AHEAD of a busted cheater (Calhoun) while two other icons (Roy Willum and Coach K) whose programs have been at the very least linked to shady AAU figures and runners (Myron Piggie) escaped the list.
Have never been to Waco so I cannot vouch for its appeal but i HAVE been to Storrs, Conn., many, many, many times and to Lawrence, Kansas as well. I have no idea how any coach convinces a high-profile recruit to commit to those schools.
Yellow journalism at it's finest - unnamed sources, no evidence, pseudo-scientific polling, and of course a dose of unabashed Christian bashing sprinkled on top. Shameful.
It is really hard to imagine how Scott Drew is considered one of the worst coaches. He took an almost impossible situation at Baylor and turned that program around. Few coaches in the country could do that. While his recruiting techniques get criticized in Big 12 country, I think a fair amount of that is envy for who he is able to get (though I do think there have been a few ethical issues). He is certainly not the best game coach and has had a few social miscues, but overall I think that he rates pretty highly compared to most coaches in the country.
Nice comment from one of the many know-nothings on the Butler board:
Taking bets on when Bryce will join his brother on the list.
It's a shame they bailed before fully passing the baton. Three more wins over Butler will not be easy to replace.
Quote from: vu72 on August 11, 2012, 09:28:13 AMIf it walks like a duck...but, at the same time I found it very interesting that no one could say WHAT he was doing that was wrong, they were just convinced that he must be doing something wrong to be able to convince top 10 recruits to move to Waco! (there really isn't must there besides Baylor).
While I have always been concerned about the alleged improprieties during his stay at Baylor, I believe that I could find a way to forgive him for most of it if he could find a way to bring his team up to the ARC someday.
Quote from: justducky on August 12, 2012, 09:26:16 PM
Quote from: vu72 on August 11, 2012, 09:28:13 AMIf it walks like a duck...but, at the same time I found it very interesting that no one could say WHAT he was doing that was wrong, they were just convinced that he must be doing something wrong to be able to convince top 10 recruits to move to Waco! (there really isn't must there besides Baylor).
While I have always been concerned about the alleged improprieties during his stay at Baylor, I believe that I could find a way to forgive him for most of it if he could find a way to bring his team up to the ARC someday.
Unless there is no Drew on the Valpo sidelines, you won't see Baylor at the ARC.
Quote from: covufan on August 14, 2012, 06:09:23 PMUnless there is no Drew on the Valpo sidelines, you won't see Baylor at the ARC.
And you have reason to believe this because......?
If it is true that the Drew brothers would both like to wait for an eventual NCAA match-up, then even if Bryce stays at Valpo (not a certainty) the chances for many of us actually living to witness such an event are pretty remote. Even if they are both still coaching 25 years from now, the laws of probability might still have them waiting.
So I am not saying that a 2 for 1 would necessarily be the right deal for us to offer, but if they were to receive such an offer would it not be something that Baylor and Scott would need to consider? Maybe ESPN coverage (in some form) for all 3 games with Scott making a swing through Indiana maybe also catching ND or Purdue and culminating with his return to the ARC. Why not? Why not at least start talking? And while the folks are still alive would be nice.
They have said they won't play each other in the past I believe.
Quote from: sectionee on August 15, 2012, 07:21:56 AM
They have said they won't play each other in the past I believe.
Yes, at Bryce's introduction as Valpo's coach, which Scott attended, the question was asked and the answer given by Bryce was "ask Scott." When Scott was asked the answer was "only in the NCAA tournament." That was also the answer given by Homer when he was asked during a press conference after a regular season game. The three have pretty much agreed the only time Valpo will play Baylor is in the NCAA tournament.
Quote from: bbtds on August 15, 2012, 08:30:48 AM
Quote from: sectionee on August 15, 2012, 07:21:56 AM
They have said they won't play each other in the past I believe.
Yes, at Bryce's introduction as Valpo's coach, which Scott attended, the question was asked and the answer given by Bryce was "ask Scott." When Scott was asked the answer was "only in the NCAA tournament." That was also the answer given by Homer when he was asked during a press conference after a regular season game. The three have pretty much agreed the only time Valpo will play Baylor is in the NCAA tournament.
Since I am inclined to believe that Scott would have no personal objection to a series with Valpo lets give his answer a reinterpretation. "only in the NCAA tournament" might really mean " I may be a Drew but I can not give you a special deal so talk to my boss which is Baylor university."
So with Scott now removed from the equation, what kind of deal would we have to offer Baylor to have the university and its fan base interested? Once that is established the only remaining question becomes, would that deal work for us?
Baylor full NON-Conference scheduled released...
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The Bears are scheduled for 15 games against 2012 NCAA Tournament teams, and with two opponents in the Charleston Classic to be determined, Baylor could play as many as 17 of 31 regular-season games against NCAA Tournament teams from a season ago.
"Last season in mid-January we had the No. 1-rated strength of schedule in the country," head coach Scott Drew said. "With the teams we're playing this year, we have a chance to have an even tougher schedule."
Oct. 25 - Abilene Christian (Exh) @ Baylor
Nov. 9 - Lehigh @ Baylor
Nov. 11 - Jackson St @ Baylor
Nov. 15 - vs Boston College (Charleston Tourney)
Nov. 16 - vs Colorado/Dayton (Charleston Tourney)
Nov. 18 - TBD (Charleston Tourney)
Nov. 24 - College of Charleston @ Baylor
Dec 1 - @ Kentucky
Dec 4 - Northwestern @ Baylor
Dec 12 - Lamar @ Baylor
Dec 17 - USC Upstate @ Baylor
Dec 21 - BYU @ Baylor
Dec 28 - @ Gonzaga (Spokane, WA)
Jan 19 - Hardin-Simmons @ Baylor
You would think that a game against Valpo would actually help Baylor's non-conf schedule which was released yesterday, 8/14/12. But I'm afraid the other posters are correct. The Drew family does not want to play each other and cause the family to have to choose sides. It will not happen unless it's in the NCAA tournament.
Scott certainly isn't shy about playing big name opponents on their floor.
Quote from: justducky on August 15, 2012, 12:13:21 AM
Quote from: covufan on August 14, 2012, 06:09:23 PMUnless there is no Drew on the Valpo sidelines, you won't see Baylor at the ARC.
And you have reason to believe this because......?
If it is true that the Drew brothers would both like to wait for an eventual NCAA match-up, then even if Bryce stays at Valpo (not a certainty) the chances for many of us actually living to witness such an event are pretty remote. Even if they are both still coaching 25 years from now, the laws of probability might still have them waiting.
So I am not saying that a 2 for 1 would necessarily be the right deal for us to offer, but if they were to receive such an offer would it not be something that Baylor and Scott would need to consider? Maybe ESPN coverage (in some form) for all 3 games with Scott making a swing through Indiana maybe also catching ND or Purdue and culminating with his return to the ARC. Why not? Why not at least start talking? And while the folks are still alive would be nice.
It won't happen. As others have alluded, the Drews have stated in the past, both Homer and Scott, and Bryce and Scott, that the personal drama would be too much for both sides. Other coaches in similar situations have said the same thing.
Quote from: covufan on August 15, 2012, 03:54:01 PMIt won't happen. As others have alluded, the Drews have stated in the past, both Homer and Scott, and Bryce and Scott, that the personal drama would be too much for both sides. Other coaches in similar situations have said the same thing.
"Personal drama" - really, so if they do get matched up in an NCAA game will most of the family stay home and not even watch it on TV? Brothers are usually brought up to compete and much of this starts and continues with their personal competition, often for life. So a portion of Homer, Bryce, and Scotts replies come across to me as a carefully scripted "pablum for the press" response that may well mean nothing (not a lie but not necessarily the full truth).
Anyway since my days are getting a little shorter than most of yours and I would love to see it happen it is my intent to bring this up again next year, and the year after that, and so on until it either happens or until I am dead. The rest of you may join me whenever you are ready, because an army of one doesn't draw much attention.
Quote from: justducky on August 15, 2012, 05:48:40 PM
Quote from: covufan on August 15, 2012, 03:54:01 PMIt won't happen. As others have alluded, the Drews have stated in the past, both Homer and Scott, and Bryce and Scott, that the personal drama would be too much for both sides. Other coaches in similar situations have said the same thing.
"Personal drama" - really, so if they do get matched up in an NCAA game will most of the family stay home and not even watch it on TV? Brothers are usually brought up to compete and much of this starts and continues with their personal competition, often for life. So a portion of Homer, Bryce, and Scotts replies come across to me as a carefully scripted "pablum for the press" response that may well mean nothing (not a lie but not necessarily the full truth).
Anyway since my days are getting a little shorter than most of yours and I would love to see it happen it is my intent to bring this up again next year, and the year after that, and so on until it either happens or until I am dead. The rest of you may join me whenever you are ready, because an army of one doesn't draw much attention.
I would like to see it happen as well. I believe that rlh responded that it would never happen, and why.