Be interesting to see how things go at the Resch on Saturday afternoon.
I'm hoping the HL will have the VU-GB game on their schedule sometime. Other games in the HL:
UDM@UIC 1pm
YSU@WSU 1pm
CSY@LUC 2pm
So, this is game 31..the 17th time we've played a game 31 in a season... we are 9-7.
We are 3-1 at home, 0-2 on the road and 6-4 on neutral courts.
The two road losses: 3 years ago at the Nutter in the HL first round and at Carver-Hawkeye 62-60 in the NIT in '02-03.
We won our last 2 31st games, by 12 over Butler last year and 14 over UIC 2 years ago. We played three NCAA games as the 31st game of the year: A Loss to the Zags; a Loss to Boston College... oh, and a little win over Rebels in OK City.
We are 23-7. We have done that twice before 00-01 and 01-02; winning the next game both times.
We were 24-6 in 96-97 for the best record after 30 games.
We are 14-2 at home. We have never won 15 games at home.
We are 9-5 on the road. We have never won 10 games on the road.
We have not played a neutral court game in 2 years. There is only one way to break that streak.
KVW has 995 career points. I'll enjoy watching him break through that grand number in person.
This game can be seen on espnu at 2 central
Quote from: talksalot on February 27, 2013, 04:47:50 PM
We have not played a neutral court game in 2 years. There is only one way to break that streak.
Madison Square Gardens, here we come!
Er, wait...
Quote from: truth219 on February 27, 2013, 04:50:34 PM
This game can be seen on espnu at 2 central
Ah, I forgot it was on ESPNU. That's probably just as we'll for me. I'm expecting to be out of the house, and might not have live access anyway. At least there should be a prompt ESPN3 archive.
I think that we come out strong to prove that GB will not be our ORU (place we can't win on the road):
Valpo 77
GB 69
Is everyone healthy going into Green Bay?
Quote from: valpotx on February 28, 2013, 03:42:47 AM
I think that we come out strong to prove that GB will not be our ORU (place we can't win on the road):
Valpo 77
GB 69
Unlike ORU, we actually did win once at GB ;) I think it was in 2010 (only because I can't believe it would be in 2009 when we were 5-13).
This game win is needed to show the NCAA that we can win on the road and not get pushed off the court. A steady defence and inside out offence will win. Green Bay has improved greatly over the year and has the best home record in the HL.
VU 72 UWGB 66
I get to see my second game of the year hope it's a winner! ;D
Valpo did win there in 2010, and nearly again in 2011 before losing in OT. That was the game Howard Little slipped after grabbing a rebound and was called for traveling. Otherwise we would have won there twice in a row.
2010http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=300312739 (http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=300312739)
QuoteGREEN BAY, Wis. -- Brandon Wood scored 26 points, including six in the final 1:26, as Valparaiso rallied to defeat Wisconsin-Green Bay 84-79 Sunday.
Cory Johnson added 20 points and Brandon McPherson and Matt Kenney each had 11 for the Crusaders (11-12, 6-5 Horizon), who trailed by eight with 4:36 to play.
...
Trailing 73-65 with 4:36 remaining, Valparaiso went on an 11-0 run, fueled by three of its 11 3-pointers, and led the rest of the way. Green Bay twice pulled to within one in the final 1:42, but Valparaiso answered each time with a bucket of its own.
2011http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=310522739 (http://espn.go.com/ncb/recap?gameId=310522739)
QuoteGREEN BAY, Wis. -- Bryquis Perine scored 20 points, including a basket with 11 seconds remaining in overtime, and Wisconsin-Green Bay defeated Valparaiso 81-80 on Monday night.
...
Brandon Wood led the Crusaders with 24 points. Ryan Broekhoff scored 20 and was 5 for 6 from 3-point range. His last 3 put Valparaiso ahead 80-78 with 33 seconds left in overtime, but Perine made a free throw and later scored the winner.
I want a win as bad as everyone else. It would mean another HL league championship out right. However, I wish GB to play Detroit in the Semi's. I really wished that Detroit would have lost to Loyola.
Saturday will be my first trip to Green Bay. If it's of any comfort to anyone, I am a perfect 9-0 on the road in HL play. ;)
Quote from: VULB#62 on February 28, 2013, 06:41:49 AM
Is everyone healthy going into Green Bay?
Let's keep our fingers crossed. The team appears as healthy as it has been all season.
Speaking of fingers, I don't know if others noticed, but Bryce did injure himself during the YSU game. He got so excited at one point that he somehow cut his index finger with what looked like a pretty good gash on his shooting hand. Here is my photo of him being treated by Rod Moore.
(http://i45.tinypic.com/xepzsy.jpg)
It looked like twice after a timeout he had to have the bandage replaced. If Bryce is unable to go, how's our depth?
Luke Gore is nursing carpal tunnel syndrome from gripping his clipboard too tightly, so we might have to turn to Roger Powell.
I feel like Valpo does a pretty good job of winning games down the stretch that don't really have a bearing on things... The Missouri State and EKU bracketbusters... the game vs Butler last year. I know Valpo will be playing for pride, so I don't think they'll lay an egg, but I think the lack of pressure is almost good for Valpo. Valpo played loose during the EKU game and absolutely destroyed them.
Quote from: a3uge on February 28, 2013, 10:15:59 AM
I feel like Valpo does a pretty good job of winning games down the stretch that don't really have a bearing on things... The Missouri State and EKU bracketbusters... the game vs Butler last year. I know Valpo will be playing for pride, so I don't think they'll lay an egg, but I think the lack of pressure is almost good for Valpo. Valpo played loose during the EKU game and absolutely destroyed them.
Great point. Crazy how that always seems to happen.
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 28, 2013, 10:37:59 AM
Quote from: a3uge on February 28, 2013, 10:15:59 AM
I feel like Valpo does a pretty good job of winning games down the stretch that don't really have a bearing on things... The Missouri State and EKU bracketbusters... the game vs Butler last year. I know Valpo will be playing for pride, so I don't think they'll lay an egg, but I think the lack of pressure is almost good for Valpo. Valpo played loose during the EKU game and absolutely destroyed them.
Great point. Crazy how that always seems to happen.
These are all teams that aren't familiar with us (and granted, we aren't familiar with them either). We run a lot of sets, like an NBA team, and they aren't going to be able to spend the time to look at enough film to properly scout them all.
When we play in the HL, they know a lot of our stuff and some teams do a very good job of guarding the set and not giving up easy baskets. YSU did an outstanding job of this...almost every possession, their assistants were up shouting what we were about to do.
Makes you wonder why we get the home run pass so often against HL teams...
Quote from: ValpoHoops on February 28, 2013, 10:52:52 AM
Quote from: Valpo89 on February 28, 2013, 10:37:59 AM
Quote from: a3uge on February 28, 2013, 10:15:59 AM
I feel like Valpo does a pretty good job of winning games down the stretch that don't really have a bearing on things... The Missouri State and EKU bracketbusters... the game vs Butler last year. I know Valpo will be playing for pride, so I don't think they'll lay an egg, but I think the lack of pressure is almost good for Valpo. Valpo played loose during the EKU game and absolutely destroyed them.
Great point. Crazy how that always seems to happen.
These are all teams that aren't familiar with us (and granted, we aren't familiar with them either). We run a lot of sets, like an NBA team, and they aren't going to be able to spend the time to look at enough film to properly scout them all.
When we play in the HL, they know a lot of our stuff and some teams do a very good job of guarding the set and not giving up easy baskets. YSU did an outstanding job of this...almost every possession, their assistants were up shouting what we were about to do.
Makes you wonder why we get the home run pass so often against HL teams...
The home run pass to Erik the other night was the best yet. The last person YSU thought we would give the ball to on an inbounds play in that situation was Erik. They looked like a football team that got caught completely off guard on a successful fake punt on 4th down. The look on the faces of their coaching staff was worth the price of admission all by itself. :)
Quote from: wh on February 28, 2013, 11:23:28 AMThe look on the faces of their coaching staff was worth the price of admission all by itself.
As they left the huddle during the timeout...I kid you not...one of their assistants turned back to the team and said, "they're going to throw it deep...don't get caught sleeping!"
Oops...
Quote from: ValpoHoops on February 28, 2013, 10:52:52 AMMakes you wonder why we get the home run pass so often against HL teams...
That has been the never-ending source of amusement for me as well. I saw one time last year that play thwarted on the first attempt. I think it was when CSU came to the ARC. Everybody else? It's like Lucy with the football, for crying out loud.
Quote from: wh on February 28, 2013, 11:23:28 AMThe home run pass to Erik the other night was the best yet. The last person YSU thought we would give the ball to on an inbounds play in that situation was Erik. They looked like a football team that got caught completely off guard on a successful fake punt on 4th down. The look on the faces of their coaching staff was worth the price of admission all by itself.
Watching the play last time, it occurred to me that it sure helps that Buggs is so darn _fast_. Even if his defender notices him cutting deep, there's only so much he can do. I suppose he could just mark him from the deep side?
It was really a shame that this play didn't make the highlights. I don't know that the cameras caught the assistants warning, or their faces after, but Todd's narration of the play (paraphrasing, "Let's see... is the home run pass going to Buggs or Bogan?") was priceless.
Quote from: ValpoHoops on February 28, 2013, 11:26:18 AMAs they left the huddle during the timeout...I kid you not...one of their assistants turned back to the team and said, "they're going to throw it deep...don't get caught sleeping!"
Oops...
It really is amazing that we have pulled this play off so many times this season. Normally you are lucky if it works once maybe twice a year, but Bryce and company have pulled it off what... maybe 5 times this season?
Almost unbelievable.
The usual recipient is Matt so perhaps they were focused on Matt and when he went a different way they dropped their guard--who knows...
Back to the topic...
Sagarin has us a 0.02 point favorite for this one (including the "Home Advantage" for GB). I'll take us, minus the points...
Valpo 76
Green Bay 72
Quote from: ValpoHoops on February 28, 2013, 12:34:04 PM
Back to the topic...
Sagarin has us a 0.02 point favorite for this one (including the "Home Advantage" for GB).
I will go with Sagrin on this one
Valpo 78
GB 77.98
;D
For those of us who will be at the Resch on Saturday... WHEN KVW get's his 5th point... ROAR! that's #1,000.... he's at 995.
I've been to GB twice for games. Once in 2010 for the W... and the other for the "Game that is not discussed in polite company" '91-92 season at the old County Coliseum.
Quote from: vu72 on February 28, 2013, 12:29:36 PMthey dropped their guard
bbtds? did you sign on under a different screen name!?!?
Quote from: talksalot on February 28, 2013, 01:36:53 PMWHEN KVW get's his 5th point... ROAR! that's #1,000.... he's at 995.
don't do that. you'll be early. he has 993.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51931/kevin-van-wijk (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51931/kevin-van-wijk)
Kevin had 978 (according to VU game notes, which would be official) into the YSU game as scored 15, gving him 993.
Quote from: agibson on February 28, 2013, 11:43:22 AM
Quote from: wh on February 28, 2013, 11:23:28 AMThe home run pass to Erik the other night was the best yet. The last person YSU thought we would give the ball to on an inbounds play in that situation was Erik. They looked like a football team that got caught completely off guard on a successful fake punt on 4th down. The look on the faces of their coaching staff was worth the price of admission all by itself.
Watching the play last time, it occurred to me that it sure helps that Buggs is so darn _fast_. Even if his defender notices him cutting deep, there's only so much he can do. I suppose he could just mark him from the deep side?
It was really a shame that this play didn't make the highlights. I don't know that the cameras caught the assistants warning, or their faces after, but Todd's narration of the play (paraphrasing, "Let's see... is the home run pass going to Buggs or Bogan?") was priceless.
I rewatched it and Erik just simply takes off and uses his speed to beat him. It's really just our unexpected quickness and Rowdy's pinpoint passing that make that play work. They didn't show the reaction of the YSU bench or coaches.
i wish i had the ability to download that video, telestrate it, and record a Marv Albert PBP and John Madden color soundtrack.
..."LOOK, great players make GREAT plays!"
It was a bonehead defensive strategy to every face guard Erik in that situation. You want him to catch the ball so you can foul him. Play behind the guy. Everyone in the gym, except for YSU apparently, knew what play was going to be run (I thought it would be Kenney catching the pass).
Good luck tomorrow Crusaders.
Bring us back an undisputed title. If I was back in WI this weekend I wuddah been theah. And starting later this year WI will be my new home base and I will be at UWGB games as well as at UWM. But jeeze, I'll miss New England.
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 01, 2013, 09:03:46 PM
Good luck tomorrow Crusaders.
Bring us back an undisputed title. If I was back in WI this weekend I wuddah been theah. And starting later this year WI will be my new home base and I will be at UWGB games as well as at UWM. But jeeze, I'll miss New England.
Well, I'm up here scouting out the place for you. Right now we're doing our best impersonation of the Pepe's pre-game workout 2 years ago. ;)
If I was allowed to go more than8 hours away without taking leave, I'd be driving to GB as we speak.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on March 01, 2013, 10:32:06 PM
If I was allowed to go more than8 hours away without taking leave, I'd be driving to GB as we speak.
How far can you get on 8 hours? Or, why can't you just drive faster?
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 01, 2013, 11:07:58 PM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on March 01, 2013, 10:32:06 PM
If I was allowed to go more than8 hours away without taking leave, I'd be driving to GB as we speak.
How far can you get on 8 hours? Or, why can't you just drive faster?
i can get to minneapolis or rapid city. those are the outer limits of what leadership considers our 'local area.' anything beyond that, and we have to take leave.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on March 02, 2013, 09:00:10 AM
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 01, 2013, 11:07:58 PM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on March 01, 2013, 10:32:06 PM
If I was allowed to go more than8 hours away without taking leave, I'd be driving to GB as we speak.
How far can you get on 8 hours? Or, why can't you just drive faster?
i can get to minneapolis or rapid city. those are the outer limits of what leadership considers our 'local area.' anything beyond that, and we have to take leave.
Eh, just tell them you're going to the Minnesota game and having dinner with friends after. It's only about five more hours to GB from there...isn't that worth it for the team??? :cheers:
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 02, 2013, 09:13:25 AM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on March 02, 2013, 09:00:10 AM
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 01, 2013, 11:07:58 PM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on March 01, 2013, 10:32:06 PM
If I was allowed to go more than8 hours away without taking leave, I'd be driving to GB as we speak.
How far can you get on 8 hours? Or, why can't you just drive faster?
i can get to minneapolis or rapid city. those are the outer limits of what leadership considers our 'local area.' anything beyond that, and we have to take leave.
Eh, just tell them you're going to the Minnesota game and having dinner with friends after. It's only about five more hours to GB from there...isn't that worth it for the team??? :cheers:
i have no desire to end up getting bounced out of a perfectly good job and end up in a military brig for going awol. so sadly, work wins out.
I just checked who is on the call of today's game for ESPNU. Jim Barbour and Bob Valvano...ugh! Nothing against Bob Valvano, but can't stand Jim Barbour. Good thing I have the WAKE app, so I can listen to the call of chef and Aaron Leavitt. At least our radio call isn't, to use Aaron's famous line, "Ho hum"....
For the non-ESPNU users is there a site that people would be streaming the game?
I saw a link through First Row sports, at firstrow1.eu. Of course, we know why some dislike this site, but it's just one of the ones I pay attention for various sports.
Any update on Kevin's injury?
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 02, 2013, 03:00:16 PM
Any update on Kevin's injury?
from twitter - awkward landing. he'll be fine and will play again today.
Quote from: valporun on March 02, 2013, 01:33:40 PMI saw a link through First Row sports, at firstrow1.eu.
you did? i can't find it.
although last time they kept promising one and finally took down the page. jerx.
CONGRATULATIONS ON HORIZON LEAGUE CHAMPIONSHIP - Great game by the entire team. Matt and Bobby .... fantastic games. No injuries and great game flow going into tournament.
Well done boys! Do it again on Saturday!!! #playloosescoreoften!
I REALLY look forward to Bobby next season. He has been tremendous over pretty much the entire second half of the season, especially compared to his first half. I think that we don't lose as much as I feared with KVW gone, though we would need Bobby's back-up play picked up by someone else as he will be a starter.
Tremendous game by the guys the last 30 minutes. I never had that feeling in my gut that we were going to lose this, even when it was 11-10 or something at the 10 minute mark of the first half. I don't fear any team in the HL tournament except Detroit, as they seem to be the only team that has the athletes to press us on defense to cause big runs against us. If Detroit isn't shooting lights out against us, we win, as we are the better overall team. Yes, I know that we have to win the semi-final against either GB or whoever, but I am very much confident that we will pull this NCAA bid out this time ;D.
Congrats on the outright title, and let's get the second one!
One of the finest games I've ever watched Valpo play. Do you think having wh in attendance had anything to do with it??
We played with two bigs most of the game. When we see them in the semi finals, I think they will be more accurate at 3pts than they were today. The next game will be closer. And it will be a test that our guys will overcome and give us the confidence needed to beat Detroit in finals.
Even thought last year we beat Butler (again) in the semis......I thought we would ride that momentum and test needed to win in the championship
Congrats on another championship. Nicely done!
Great win for the team. I thought it was likely we'd lose, coming into the game, and well into the first half.
Great to see such huge numbers from Kenney, and a fantastic game from Capo.
Always managing to look on the dim side, you just hope that Rowdy and KVW can step back up (nice to see KVW getting a couple of silky layups, including for his 1000th point; couldn't hear John or others shout, incidentally).
I'll be quite disappointed if the slight dip in numbers from Rowdy at the end of the season, including today, costs him POY. I was pleased to see him get a couple of old school completely dominant, this is _my_ ball, don't touch it type Rowdy rebounds. And to see him fight hard through some tight spots while ball handling.
Quote from: agibson on March 02, 2013, 11:45:07 PM
Great win for the team. I thought it was likely we'd lose, coming into the game, and well into the first half.
Great to see such huge numbers from Kenney, and a fantastic game from Capo.
Always managing to look on the dim side, you just hope that Rowdy and KVW can step back up (nice to see KVW getting a couple of silky layups, including for his 1000th point; couldn't hear John or others shout, incidentally).
I'll be quite disappointed if the slight dip in numbers from Rowdy at the end of the season, including today, costs him POY. I was pleased to see him get a couple of old school completely dominant, this is _my_ ball, don't touch it type Rowdy rebounds. And to see him fight hard through some tight spots while ball handling.
That rebound-and-put-back-in-a-crowd 2nd half basket against YSU should have been on the HLN Plays of the week. That was beyond awesome, and damned redemptive after yet another missed layup.
Great to win the outright championship on such a high note. The team seems as healthy as it has been all season, and the confidence level appears high especially due to the fine shooting. Plus, the contributions off the bench from players like Kenney and Capobianco show a depth that is hard for other teams in the conference to match. Most of all, the biggest weakness throughout the year has been turnovers, but against Green Bay Valpo had only 10 turnovers, which they matched with 10 steals. Now we're cooking with peanut oil! ;)
I came to the realization yesterday that pre-season 1st team all-conference selection Alec Brown is probably the most overrated player in the HL. He was 3-9 from 2-pt. range and had 4 rebounds in 30 min. of play. He has average post moves and seems to shy away from contact. Not exactly what you're looking for in a 7-1 center with a huge size advantage and projected to have a future in the NBA. In fairness, he was 2-3 from 3, whatever that's worth.
The "chump of the game" award goes to GB's Carrington Love, who took the ball out of Capo's hands with 5 seconds to go (and everyone on both sides standing motionless) and scored his only 2 points on an uncontested layup as time expired. Bobby got credited with a TO he didn't earn, Love got credited with a steal and basket he didn't earn, and that was Valpo's 10th TO when they should have been in single digits.
The Resch Center is an extremely nice arena in a great location adjacent to Lambeau Field, but the atmosphere (even with 5000 people in attendance) pales by comparison to the ARC. I counted 60 heads in the student section, not counting the band.
Quote from: wh on March 03, 2013, 11:10:09 AM
The "chump of the game" award goes to GB's Carrington Love, who took the ball out of Capo's hands with 5 seconds to go (and everyone on both sides standing motionless) and scored his only 2 points on an uncontested layup as time expired. Bobby got credited with a TO he didn't earn, Love got credited with a steal and basket he didn't earn, and that was Valpo's 10th TO when they should have been in single digits.
He didn't take the ball from Bobby's hands...Bobby threw a soft, 20 foot pass to Lavonte and Love stepped through the passing lane. Meaningless of course, but he did nothing wrong.
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 03, 2013, 11:18:47 AM
Quote from: wh on March 03, 2013, 11:10:09 AM
The "chump of the game" award goes to GB's Carrington Love, who took the ball out of Capo's hands with 5 seconds to go (and everyone on both sides standing motionless) and scored his only 2 points on an uncontested layup as time expired. Bobby got credited with a TO he didn't earn, Love got credited with a steal and basket he didn't earn, and that was Valpo's 10th TO when they should have been in single digits.
He didn't take the ball from Bobby's hands...Bobby threw a soft, 20 foot pass to Lavonte and Love stepped through the passing lane. Meaningless of course, but he did nothing wrong.
He did everything wrong. At the end of the game when the body language of one team says 'we're going to hold the ball and stop trying to score' and the body language of the other team says 'ok, we're going to stop closely guarding you,' it is totally inappropriate for some bozo to steal the ball at that point and score. It's the same as a sucker punch, thrown after 2 people agree to put their guard down. Aren't you a coach?
Quote from: wh on March 03, 2013, 11:40:12 AM
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 03, 2013, 11:18:47 AM
Quote from: wh on March 03, 2013, 11:10:09 AM
The "chump of the game" award goes to GB's Carrington Love, who took the ball out of Capo's hands with 5 seconds to go (and everyone on both sides standing motionless) and scored his only 2 points on an uncontested layup as time expired. Bobby got credited with a TO he didn't earn, Love got credited with a steal and basket he didn't earn, and that was Valpo's 10th TO when they should have been in single digits.
He didn't take the ball from Bobby's hands...Bobby threw a soft, 20 foot pass to Lavonte and Love stepped through the passing lane. Meaningless of course, but he did nothing wrong.
He did everything wrong. At the end of the game when the body language of one team says 'we're going to hold the ball and stop trying to score' and the body language of the other team says 'ok, we're going to stop closely guarding you,' it is totally inappropriate for some bozo to steal the ball at that point and score. It's the same as a sucker punch, thrown after 2 people agree to put their guard down. Aren't you a coach?
Yes, I am. Green Bay was still guarding at that point. The shot clock was still on (1.9 second difference after GB's made basket). If you don't want them to score, you don't throw a bad pass...play for 40 full minutes, not 39:55. Last I checked, until the horn goes off, you're allowed to try and get the ball back from the other team and score. (and again, the shot clock had yet to be turned off...I would feel differently had that been the case)
In my opinion (and what I've been taught by those who I see as my mentors) is that it is the LOSING TEAM who decides when the game is over. We were trying to hold the ball for a shot clock violation...Green Bay had every right to play defense.
Perhaps you and I differ on this one, and that's fine. The game was not over, and it was not GB's responsibility not to score at that point. If I were breaking down the film with the team today, I would be more disappointed in Bobby's pass than I would in the GB's player stealing it for a layup...that's just a difference in philosophy, and I don't think either is necessarily wrong...just differing viewpoints.
ValpoHoops, wh has this same opinion about a team that when ahead by a comfortable amount of points, continues to pour it on with the bench players, or when Detroit does it with Ray Jr. still on the floor, since their bench doesn't exist. He's always going to play the sportsmanship card, even if it is the losing team messing with the rules.
Quote from: valporun on March 03, 2013, 01:00:30 PM
ValpoHoops, wh has this same opinion about a team that when ahead by a comfortable amount of points, continues to pour it on with the bench players, or when Detroit does it with Ray Jr. still on the floor, since their bench doesn't exist. He's always going to play the sportsmanship card, even if it is the losing team messing with the rules.
I'm well aware of that...and on the other side of it, I agree 99% of the time. On this side, I don't...and he said on the board that the kid was the "chump of the week", coupled with saying he took the ball away from Bobby (which was not the case), so I stated my opinion...if we all agreed on everyhing, there wouldn't be a message board.
Yeah, he did go a little overboard with the "chump of the week" comment. I didn't have a problem with it. Coaches preach to play until the buzzer sounds or when he/she says to layoff, and that's just what this kid did. He played until the buzzer, and why not? I mean it's not like he made a huge difference in the final score.
Was actually a clear shot clock violation. Love deflected the ball into the back court, then the shot clock went off about a full second before he picked it up. The officials clearly let it go because there was one second remaining in a 21 point game.
Quote from: chef on March 03, 2013, 02:21:11 PM
Was actually a clear shot clock violation. Love deflected the ball into the back court, then the shot clock went off about a full second before he picked it up. The officials clearly let it go because there was one second remaining in a 21 point game.
Yep...and at that point, a good decision by the zebras to just let it end.
Part of why I feel strongly about things like unsportsmanlike conduct does come from the way I'm wired. I never have had any use for people who take advantage of others for personal gratification. When I was growing up I had no problem injecting myself into situations where a bigger kid was picking on a smaller kid. It didn't matter whether it was in the neighborhood or at school. I also think there may be a generational difference involved here, as well. Years ago I never had to tell employees they needed to say a simple "thank you" when a customer made a purchase. It was common sense, expected behavior. Now the company wouldn't dare let a new employee go on their own without full blown customer service training. It is astounding to see the lack of manners, especially in the Gen Y age group, too many of which have been taught that life is all about them, instant gratification, getting over giving, failure to value things bigger than yourself, and a general lack of respect for others, especially those in authority.
Regardless of why these players behave the way they do or how often it happens, it still needs to be called out. I also think that the players that would never consider doing this stuff need to know that these things still matter to us as observers. That why I don't think we should dismiss these incidents as trivial or meaningless. Just my 2 cents.
Quote from: wh on March 03, 2013, 02:52:55 PMWhen I was growing up I had no problem injecting myself into situations where a bigger kid was picking on a smaller kid.
Did you ever inject yourself into a situation where a smaller kid was picking on a bigger kid?
Green Bay was on the losing end. I guarantee you Capo didn't mind one bit, and neither did anyone else on the Valpo bench.
There is an important difference, as ValpoHoops pointed out. If the losing team wants to dunk at the buzzer, I couldn't care less, just as I will never cease to be amazed at the gall of baseball players who get pissed at their opponents for stealing bases in a blowout LOSS.
Padding the score by the winning team = poor sportsmanship
Padding the score by the losing team *might* be silly, but it's not poor sportsmanship.
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 03, 2013, 05:54:25 PM
Quote from: wh on March 03, 2013, 02:52:55 PMWhen I was growing up I had no problem injecting myself into situations where a bigger kid was picking on a smaller kid.
Did you ever inject yourself into a situation where a smaller kid was picking on a bigger kid?
Green Bay was on the losing end. I guarantee you Capo didn't mind one bit, and neither did anyone else on the Valpo bench.
There is an important difference, as ValpoHoops pointed out. If the losing team wants to dunk at the buzzer, I couldn't care less, just as I will never cease to be amazed at the gall of baseball players who get pissed at their opponents for stealing bases in a blowout LOSS.
Padding the score by the winning team = poor sportsmanship
Padding the score by the losing team *might* be silly, but it's not poor sportsmanship.
What baseball players get pissed when their opponent steals in a blowout loss?? We had that happen today in my game, when we were up by 8 or 9, and they kept stealing. Didn't think anything of it
Quote from: valpotx on March 04, 2013, 01:30:09 AM
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 03, 2013, 05:54:25 PM
Quote from: wh on March 03, 2013, 02:52:55 PMWhen I was growing up I had no problem injecting myself into situations where a bigger kid was picking on a smaller kid.
Did you ever inject yourself into a situation where a smaller kid was picking on a bigger kid?
Green Bay was on the losing end. I guarantee you Capo didn't mind one bit, and neither did anyone else on the Valpo bench.
There is an important difference, as ValpoHoops pointed out. If the losing team wants to dunk at the buzzer, I couldn't care less, just as I will never cease to be amazed at the gall of baseball players who get pissed at their opponents for stealing bases in a blowout LOSS.
Padding the score by the winning team = poor sportsmanship
Padding the score by the losing team *might* be silly, but it's not poor sportsmanship.
What baseball players get pissed when their opponent steals in a blowout loss?? We had that happen today in my game, when we were up by 8 or 9, and they kept stealing. Didn't think anything of it
It's happened a few times in recent years. I think a few Marlins (?) players justified a plunking on the grounds that the other team (who was losing by 10 runs) was stealing bases. Blew. My. Mind.
Stl, if this was during this past season, and if it was the Marlins, I'm sure Ozzie had something to do with that plunking.
Bobby named Horizon League Newcomer of the Week (2nd time) for his play against Green Bay and Youngstown State. Matt was a runner-up for Player of the Week.
http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/loyolas-hicks-valpos-capobianco-win-weekly-mens-basketball-awards.html (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/loyolas-hicks-valpos-capobianco-win-weekly-mens-basketball-awards.html)
Quote from: valporun on March 04, 2013, 09:48:32 AM
Stl, if this was during this past season, and if it was the Marlins, I'm sure Ozzie had something to do with that plunking.
I'm thinking it was 2 years ago, but that's a good guess and may also be right.