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Title: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: IndyValpo on March 16, 2013, 06:35:26 PM
Looks like Green Bay, UIC and Youngstown have already accepted bids into the CIT.

http://www.bankrollsports.com/blog/cit-bracketology/ (http://www.bankrollsports.com/blog/cit-bracketology/)
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: StlVUFan on March 16, 2013, 06:50:00 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on March 16, 2013, 06:35:26 PM
Looks like Green Bay, UIC and Youngstown have already accepted bids into the CIT.

http://www.bankrollsports.com/blog/cit-bracketology/ (http://www.bankrollsports.com/blog/cit-bracketology/)

Apparently, YSU is already slated to host Oakland.
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on March 16, 2013, 07:10:30 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on March 16, 2013, 06:35:26 PM/cit-bracketology/

it's official.  there really IS a blog about everything.

is the CBI considered a notch above the CIT? 

relatively speaking of course?
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: ValpoHoops on March 16, 2013, 07:13:00 PM
The CIT is for the mid-majors (no BCS teams allowed), and teams must have winning records...not sure if that makes it "better" or not.


The CIT also doesn't use a true bracket format, nor do they "seed" the teams. They schedule the 16 first round games, and use geography as much as possible to cut travel. Then, they take the 16 remaining teams and "reset" the field, and so on. Bit strange, but it helps the teams not travel all over the place.
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: valpotx on March 17, 2013, 10:39:43 PM
Didn't realize that this was YSU's first ever men's basketball postseason appearance since moving to D-1 in 1981-1982...congrats to them!
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: agibson on March 17, 2013, 10:46:52 PM
Yeah, they seemed pretty excited about going to the postseason, period.  And they announced the CIT _really_ early.

(Checking the time stamp.)

http://www.wkbn.com/content/sports/local/story/YSU-Men-Accept-CIT-Bid/RP74oHcexEigG7rwd8bGyw.cspx (http://www.wkbn.com/content/sports/local/story/YSU-Men-Accept-CIT-Bid/RP74oHcexEigG7rwd8bGyw.cspx)

Yeah, it was before the HL tourney was even over.  The morning of the title game.

Wright State will host a CBI game, and with Detroit picking up one of the last NIT bids it's a record six horizon league teams in the post-season.  (Six of nine!  Have we made it to the college bowl game level yet?).  This is the third consecutive year where that record's been broken.
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: agibson on March 19, 2013, 03:26:49 PM
Aw, man, _Chicago State_ is in the post-season?  Playing at UIC tomorrow in the CIT?

That is so wrong!
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: valpotx on March 19, 2013, 03:28:17 PM
I imagine that it is their first postseason appearance as well?  With an amazing record of 11-21  :)
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: Kyle321n on March 19, 2013, 04:28:44 PM
Well they did win their conference tournament!  :lol:
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: agibson on March 19, 2013, 04:53:22 PM
Ah, right, thanks!  It's the auto-bid!  I'd forgotten all about it.

That tournament was 2 of their 7 D1 wins!

So, lucky UIC drew Chicago State, the auto-bid.  Does this somehow mean that UIC's the top overall seed? ;)

(I can well guess geography mattered here.)
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: Kyle321n on March 19, 2013, 05:13:44 PM
Quote from: agibson on March 19, 2013, 04:53:22 PMAh, right, thanks!  It's the auto-bid!  I'd forgotten all about it. That tournament was 2 of their 7 D1 wins! So, lucky UIC drew Chicago State, the auto-bid.  Does this somehow mean that UIC's the top overall seed? ;) (I can well guess geography mattered here.)

Geography only matters in the CIT.  The first 2 "rounds" you play the team geographically closest to you. Then they move it to an actual bracket
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: wh on March 19, 2013, 09:11:53 PM
Congratulations to the Penguins, 99-87 winners over Oakland!  Perry (31 points) and Allen (27 points) had huge games for YSU. 

Nice tournament win for the Horizon League.
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: agibson on March 19, 2013, 11:13:29 PM
Well done!  And it moves our RPI rank to 57!  (OK - Kentucky's dropping a game at home to Robert Morris might have had something to do with that too.)

Wait, I take it back!  Rupp arena was busy getting ready to host NCAA games, so #1 seed Kentucky had to play on the road, and lost!
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: wh on March 20, 2013, 09:43:57 PM
Two more nice wins for the league tonight:

CIT: Bradley 75, Green Bay 69

CIT: UIC 80, Chicago State 69

CBI: Wright State 72, Tulsa 52

Congratulations to the Raiders and Flames!
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: agibson on March 20, 2013, 10:06:59 PM
Home teams holding court so far.  Including Detroit getting _stomped_ (in the first half) at Arizona State.
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: wh on March 20, 2013, 10:11:12 PM
In the NIT Detroit is getting destroyed by Arizona State at halftime 46-27.

They have been called for a whopping 16 fouls and are being out rebounded 27-6.  They're 6-27 shooting and 0-9 from 3.  If not for 12 ASU TO's, the score could be even worse.
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: wh on March 20, 2013, 10:33:19 PM
The Titans are making a nice comeback early in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: oklahomamick on March 20, 2013, 11:00:23 PM
reminds me of our nit game last year in miami. 
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: wh on March 20, 2013, 11:36:50 PM
Yep, it just wasn't their night, but they did play a lot better in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: valpotx on March 21, 2013, 01:14:42 AM
I bet Richie Edwards enjoyed watching that game  :)
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: agibson on March 25, 2013, 04:50:19 PM
Looks like Wright State, hosting Richmond tonight in the quarterfinals of the CBI, is the last Horizon League team standing.

Is the game not even on HLN?   I'm surprised that they're going audio-only in the post-season, after recording their first ever post-season win.  I probably would have flipped it on.
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: agibson on March 25, 2013, 05:24:12 PM
Ah, OK - looks like it probably _will_ be on HLN.

Richmond links it.  As does the Horizon League.

http://www.horizonleague.org/live/8641 (http://www.horizonleague.org/live/8641)

Not sure why Wright State doesn't seem to.
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: StlVUFan on March 25, 2013, 06:28:23 PM
The Detroit Lady Titans are still alive in the WBI, as well, having won twice.
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: agibson on March 25, 2013, 08:14:15 PM
Wright State's going to the CBI semi-finals, knocking off Richomnd (middle of the pack A-10, RPI 85) 57-51.

They could see (re-seeded) Santa Clara, the winner of Western Michigan @ Wyoming, or the winner of Houston @ George Mason (which just went into overtime) in the semi-final on Wednesday.

I wonder what they do if _none_ of the teams wants to put up the money to host the semi-final?  Sort of a reverse auction?  Or maybe they're already contractually agreed.
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: wh on March 25, 2013, 10:56:34 PM
Quote from: agibson on March 25, 2013, 08:14:15 PM
Wright State's going to the CBI semi-finals, knocking off Richomnd (middle of the pack A-10, RPI 85) 57-51.

They could see (re-seeded) Santa Clara, the winner of Western Michigan @ Wyoming, or the winner of Houston @ George Mason (which just went into overtime) in the semi-final on Wednesday.

I wonder what they do if _none_ of the teams wants to put up the money to host the semi-final?  Sort of a reverse auction?  Or maybe they're already contractually agreed.


Congratulations to the Raiders!  Keep it going!
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: Goraiders93 on March 25, 2013, 11:57:19 PM
Santa Clara of the West Coast Conference, which has beaten Vermont and Purdue to advance to the semi finals, will play at the Nutter Center Wednesday at 9 EST. I'm starting to wonder what we will owe the CBI for all this hosting, but it's great to get our young players this extra experience, and hopefully the investment pays off next year. Different OOC competition, tournament environment, extra court time will be great for the players and the program.
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: LaPorteAveApostle on March 26, 2013, 08:54:35 AM
Quote from: Goraiders93 on March 25, 2013, 11:57:19 PMI'm starting to wonder what we will owe the CBI for all this hosting
nullum gratuitum prandium.
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: agibson on March 26, 2013, 12:52:34 PM
Quote from: Goraiders93 on March 25, 2013, 11:57:19 PMI'm starting to wonder what we will owe the CBI for all this hosting

In 2012 an AD quoted these numbers
"The guarantees are $35,000 for first-round games, $50,000 for the quarterfinals and $75,000 per game for the semifinals and the best-of-three finals."
http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2012/03/13/Colleges/CBI.aspx (http://m.sportsbusinessdaily.com/Daily/Issues/2012/03/13/Colleges/CBI.aspx)

Have you guys been getting decent crowds?

Best of luck!
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: Goraiders93 on March 26, 2013, 03:58:03 PM
Sadly no with regards to the crowds. With the first four still going on at UD Arena for our first round, we had in the 2500 range. Worst all season. Last night we had about 3700. Closer to average. But for our second round we allegedly didnt have to pay because Richmond had a scheduling conflict at their home arena, which sparked my curiosity. And at the game last night, from what they were saying, it seemed certain we would be traveling Wednesday so who knows. I trust Bob Grant and BD are making the right decisions. Very proud of our young team!!
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: StlVUFan on March 26, 2013, 06:49:30 PM
According to tweets I saw last night, you guys will be hosting again.  If Wyoming had beaten W. Michigan, you'd have traveled to George Mason, but now you're hosting Santa Clara.
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: Goraiders93 on March 26, 2013, 09:19:20 PM
As I mentioned initially.

Quote from: Goraiders93 on March 25, 2013, 11:57:19 PM
Santa Clara of the West Coast Conference, which has beaten Vermont and Purdue to advance to the semi finals, will play at the Nutter Center Wednesday at 9 EST

Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: StlVUFan on March 26, 2013, 09:52:31 PM
Sorry, I misread your last posting, thinking you were still up in the air about that.  I now realize you were up in the air about what the attendance will be tomorrow.

Don't mind me ;)
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: Goraiders93 on March 27, 2013, 01:22:41 AM
Understood. The attendance rose for the second round and I'm hoping for the same Wednesday.  Being 9 on a Wednesday though we will see. I was discussing what we're paying for sure for the tourney, and I'm sure a figure will be thrown around later.

Hope my posts are appropriate anyway.  Just wanted to share some stuff for this thread.


Dayton Daily News Richmond Highlights:

http://www.daytondailynews.com/videos/sports/highlights-wright-state-vs-richmond/vwjn4/ (http://www.daytondailynews.com/videos/sports/highlights-wright-state-vs-richmond/vwjn4/)


Dayton Daily News Santa Clara Preview:


http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/sports/college-basketball/preview-santa-clara-at-wright-state/nW4wp/
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: wh on March 27, 2013, 07:33:53 AM
Quote from: Goraiders93 on March 26, 2013, 03:58:03 PM
Sadly no with regards to the crowds. With the first four still going on at UD Arena for our first round, we had in the 2500 range. Worst all season. Last night we had about 3700. Closer to average. But for our second round we allegedly didnt have to pay because Richmond had a scheduling conflict at their home arena, which sparked my curiosity. And at the game last night, from what they were saying, it seemed certain we would be traveling Wednesday so who knows. I trust Bob Grant and BD are making the right decisions. Very proud of our young team!!

I think it's a good investment for WSU any way you consider it.  It's a nice reward for the players in a season where they exceeded anyone and everyone's expectations, it keeps your fans excited about your program and looking forward to next year, and it's good experience for a young, developing team to play (and win as it turns out) in a win-or-go-home tournament against other quality programs.  I don't know how much playing in one of these tournaments helps recruiting, but it certainly can't hurt.  It's all good.  Good luck!
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: agibson on March 27, 2013, 05:17:41 PM
Looks like the semi-final has the privilege of being broadcast on "AXS TV".  Hmmm.. channel 478?  Something tells me my package is unlikely to include it.

Must make ESPNU look pretty good.

And has the effect of pushing WSU to a 9 PM start, local time.   
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: wh on March 27, 2013, 07:47:49 PM
Ch 362 on Dish - 8p Central
Title: Re: Horizon in the CIT
Post by: Goraiders93 on March 28, 2013, 02:50:16 AM
Santa Clara's 1-3-1 d gave us fits and their 3 point shooting from 21 (foster)  and a few others screwed us. Time for a long summer with no round ball. Here's to a stronger HL next season.