I am sure ther are people on this forum who are already aware ;), but Valpo's next opponent will be taking on #17 Michigan State this weekend at 7:30. It's a night game though so seeing both might be a bit of a problem unless you TiVo it.
most dangerous game of the year, the way i see it. it'll be a victory if nobody gets seriously hurt. forget the score. who in their right mind schedules a 1AA powerhouse against a team on a 20 game (quite possibly soon 21 game losing streak), and rated as the worst team in d1?
Don't they play Ohio State after us?? I suppose that makes sense for them...a breather after the bruising we will lay on them!! :whiteflag:
Quote from: milanmiracle on September 02, 2011, 11:46:21 AM
I am sure ther are people on this forum who are already aware ;), but Valpo's next opponent will be taking on #17 Michigan State this weekend at 7:30. It's a night game though so seeing both might be a bit of a problem unless you TiVo it.
I believe the YSU-MSU game is this evening, so it wouldn't be in conflict with going to the Franklin-Valpo game tomorrow night.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on September 02, 2011, 11:49:18 AM
most dangerous game of the year, the way i see it. it'll be a victory if nobody gets seriously hurt. forget the score. who in their right mind schedules a 1AA powerhouse against a team on a 20 game (quite possibly soon 21 game losing streak), and rated as the worst team in d1?
I am going to agree with just trying to survive without major injurys, especially watching the first quarter of the MSU game. It's 0-0 at the end of the 1st and YSU has outgained MSU 87-29.
Michigan State 28, Youngstown State 6
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/gametracker/recap/NCAAF_20110902_YST@MIST/no-17-michigan-state-rolls-youngstown-state-in-opener (http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/gametracker/recap/NCAAF_20110902_YST@MIST/no-17-michigan-state-rolls-youngstown-state-in-opener)
Lets hope Valpo can stay that close to D3 Franklin.
"The underdog Penguins held their own in the first half, controlling the ball for 19:36 thanks to a 14-8 advantage in first downs. After a scoreless opening quarter, Michigan State finally took the lead on a 6-yard touchdown run by Larry Caper."
I watched the entire game on the BTN, and Youngstown wasn't out of that game until the 4th quarter. Youngstown even had opportunities to make it a closer game. A blocked extra point and a missed field goal cost them 4 points. Sparty also missed a field goal, so that sort of cancels itself.
Point of all this...YSU wasn't outmatched physically against MSU, I fear the same can't be said when Valpo plays Youngstown. I am truly concerned for the safety of the players.
Quote from: milanmiracle on September 03, 2011, 12:05:30 PM
I watched the entire game on the BTN, and Youngstown wasn't out of that game until the 4th quarter. Youngstown even had opportunities to make it a closer game. A blocked extra point and a missed field goal cost them 4 points. Sparty also missed a field goal, so that sort of cancels itself.
Point of all this...YSU wasn't outmatched physically against MSU, I fear the same can't be said when Valpo plays Youngstown. I am truly concerned for the safety of the players.
I understand the concern and it isn't without merit based on what I also saw last night. However, Valpo isn't without size and probably not just short fat kids. The weight lifting program has no doubt impacted the muscle on our guys. For example, on the offensive line we have Nate Blair, a 6'5" 305 lb. senior and on defensive we have Nico
Carson at 6'3" 275 lbs, also a senior. At wide receiver we have guys like senior Sean McCarty at 6'5" 210 lbs and even the starting quarterback, Eric Hoffman is 6'3" 200 lbs.
My point is that they are more athletic and faster but not necessarily bigger. With our new conditioning effort I would be surprised to see a bunch of injuries. I played in a bunch of lopsided losses and injuries weren't necessarily part of the process. Let's hope I'm right.
The thing that I hope for is the effort. Are the players prepared to go for four quarters regardless of outcome? This team can score and has enough talent to stay on the field. We used to play Indiana State and Ball State as conference games when I first came to Valpo. Great mismatches with talent even back then but with our mental and physical effort we let them know they were in a game. I guess Lou Holtz says it best - "When you're wrestling with a gorilla you don't stop when you get tired but only when the gorilla gets tired!" Injuries shouldn't be a concern as long as clean play is promoted and monitored by coaches and referees. Size doesn't always win but quickness and speed kills. I hope we can match the quickness and speed portion or Katy bar the door. Go VU!
I too hope for effort, but I fear that being completely outclassed will take it's toll. I am concerned about the injury possibility and the Psyche of the team after this loss. And no they can't win. I just hope they realize it's a long season and all the games won't be like this one.
Do you really believe that "this team can score and has enough talent to stay on the field". They just lost to a DIII school with significant losses from last year and you want me to believe they have enough talent to play with YSU? We're still talking about the same YSU that just hung with #17 Michigan State, right? This is a "name the score" game. It won't be as bad as Jacksonville, but it won't be pretty either.
Let's just be happy there was some improvement in the first game of the season and let's write this off as a game that shouldn't have happened.
*Also...There's a reason people don't wrestle gorillas, you won't win and the end result might not be very pretty.
Quote from: milanmiracle on September 05, 2011, 01:03:03 AM
I too hope for effort, but I fear that being completely outclassed will take it's toll. I am concerned about the injury possibility and the Psyche of the team after this loss. And no they can't win. I just hope they realize it's a long season and all the games won't be like this one.
Do you really believe that "this team can score and has enough talent to stay on the field". They just lost to a DIII school with significant losses from last year and you want me to believe they have enough talent to play with YSU? We're still talking about the same YSU that just hung with #17 Michigan State, right? This is a "name the score" game. It won't be as bad as Jacksonville, but it won't be pretty either.
Let's just be happy there was some improvement in the first game of the season and let's write this off as a game that shouldn't have happened.
*Also...There's a reason people don't wrestle gorillas, you won't win and the end result might not be very pretty.
Miracle has on a few occasions pointed to the fact that we lost to a D3 school. The reality is, and I'm puzzled as to why this isn't obvious, we ARE a D3 football team. What's the distinction? We are a small school who has non-scholarship players. Franklin? A small school with non-scholarship players.
Now, from a recruiting standpoint saying were D1 might help and the national scope of our conference and travel may well help also. It seems pretty obvious that if you tell a kid that he will play games on both coasts might be n advantage to telling a kid they will be on a bus each weekend, who knows.
The reality is that Jacksonville could have probably won the D3 national championship but it would have been a tough game for even them. We just hung with the 24th ranked D3 school and we are clearly in a rebuilding/restarting mode.
So, should we be playing Youngstown State? No, although the kids probably are looking forward to playing in front of 20,000 or so and testing their level of play in the same way the basketball team looked forward to playing Kansas--I'd guess!!
With Valpo's national draw I would expect the team to get to a level where we regularly beat teams like Franklin and can compete, in the same way that Youngstown State did with Michigan State, with the Western Illinois' and Youngstown State's of the world. Just not this week.
Let's back off some of the harsh criticism of our young football team...we are starting from scratch basically....we have a new coach who has great credentials, building a "new" program and molding a new attitude, new defensive and offensive systems, just now recruiting players who fit his systems, and using many young players as he builds the program. As for the team, keep working hard guys and your efforts will pay dividends in the near future. Go Valpo!
Quote from: vu72 on September 05, 2011, 08:54:08 AM
Miracle has on a few occasions pointed to the fact that we lost to a D3 school. The reality is, and I'm puzzled as to why this isn't obvious, we ARE a D3 football team. What's the distinction? We are a small school who has non-scholarship players. Franklin? A small school with non-scholarship players.
I know we've had this discussion before, but I'll point out again...Valpo is a D1 school. Not a lot of grey area here. Show me some documentation that says DIII and I'll go along with you. Valpo can't schedule YSU and then claim competing with Franklin is the goal. Does not compute.
I understand your position but I'm just being practical. Non-scholarship is non-scholarship and will draw the same type players. Look, the pride of the Pioneer League at the moment, Jacksonville, just lost to The Citadel 31-9!! The Citadel is ranked 174 in the Sagarins and not that much better than Dayton at 180 or Jacksonville at 184 or so. We can't compete with the Southern Conference nor any other scholarship conference. Those are facts. I'll flip the question: show me some evidence that ANY Pioneer League team could compete with a scholarship team. Sure, you might find a win or two but that's about it. Our goal should be to win the Pioneer League and not get embarrassed against smaller D1 scholarship programs like The Citadel AND, beat the Franklins of the world on a regular basis--not KILL them because we are "D1", but just win.
Let me add one other example. In 2003 Valpo won the Pioneer Championship with David Macchi at the helm. That season included wins against Dayton, San Diego and Drake. It also included a loss to Murray State, 34-0. I rest my case...
Quote from: vu72 on September 05, 2011, 04:48:53 PM
I understand your position but I'm just being practical. Non-scholarship is non-scholarship and will draw the same type players. Look, the pride of the Pioneer League at the moment, Jacksonville, just lost to The Citadel 31-9!! The Citadel is ranked 174 in the Sagarins and not that much better than Dayton at 180 or Jacksonville at 184 or so. We can't compete with the Southern Conference nor any other scholarship conference. Those are facts. I'll flip the question: show me some evidence that ANY Pioneer League team could compete with a scholarship team. Sure, you might find a win or two but that's about it. Our goal should be to win the Pioneer League and not get embarrassed against smaller D1 scholarship programs like The Citadel AND, beat the Franklins of the world on a regular basis--not KILL them because we are "D1", but just win.
Let me add one other example. In 2003 Valpo won the Pioneer Championship with David Macchi at the helm. That season included wins against Dayton, San Diego and Drake. It also included a loss to Murray State, 34-0. I rest my case...
Using logic with some of these fans is a lost effort....the fact that our football team is called Division I is because of the NCAA and their ridiculous labeling for affect....We are Division I in football in name only and anyone who disagrees just isn't looking at the facts.
Again I have to explain my words to those that choose to find the darkcloud in ever day's sky. I'm not claiming the Crusaders of today are ready for a program like YSU but my football mind focuses on two distinct points. One, YSU has more on the line here than Valpo. No good thing can come out of this for them if we don't perform to some level and if they don't take us seriously and don't show up their best they will have to regroup to save their butts before the fans and media. Second, their own coach called them out for quitting in the fourth quarter against MSU. There are two kinds of quitting - one when you're giving up and the other when you think you have it socked away - in both cases your mailing it in.
Since we can score this year with a uptempo passing attack anything can happen in the open field. We will most likely be playing against some of their 2's and 3's during some time of the game. That's why I said we can stay on the field rather than compare it to Jacksonville last year where that Valpo team left the field. This years team is young and they don't know what they don't know yet and that makes them more resilient and willing to "wrestle a gorilla". As a metaphor, I'm having a problem with milanmiracle's moniker if he would believe one thing about the ultimate "Hoosier" story but deny that each athlete longs for a moment to shine in the spotlight on a stage beyond their status - even for a few plays.
If being realistic is all that is called for on this on this forum then - I can predict that none of our teams will win a national championship this year or perhaps any year in the near future but it doesn't mean that we don't play the games and grow to compete on the field, court, diamond, course, lanes or classrooms, boardrooms and life.
We are Crusaders!
You all also have to remember that this game brings a nice Check. Just like YSU is willing to go play MSU and App State plays other BS err BCS schools, Valpo is moving up to play a FCS school and with that is the chance to see how your program is doing, give the players a chance to compete in a big stadium with lots of fans (YSU is a nice facility), help with recruiting in one of the best areas of the country for talent (NEOhio) and to cover some of the costs of the program. With budgets tight and the economy tough, other people's money is helpful. The timing is not ideal as I am sure Dale would like this game in another year or two. Good luck Crusaders and learn from the experience and get meaner and tougher on D.
Quote from: milanmiracle on September 05, 2011, 03:47:56 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 05, 2011, 08:54:08 AM
Miracle has on a few occasions pointed to the fact that we lost to a D3 school. The reality is, and I'm puzzled as to why this isn't obvious, we ARE a D3 football team. What's the distinction? We are a small school who has non-scholarship players. Franklin? A small school with non-scholarship players.
I know we've had this discussion before, but I'll point out again...Valpo is a D1 school. Not a lot of grey area here. Show me some documentation that says DIII and I'll go along with you. Valpo can't schedule YSU and then claim competing with Franklin is the goal. Does not compute.
I can't believe that someone like you, milanmiracle, doesn't understand this. The NCAA calls it Div.1 but Valpo treats it just like all the Div.3 schools do. Valpo does not give out scholarships which is the same thing Div.3 does. There is no difference between Div.3 and the Pioneer League teams except the name that it is called by the NCAA. Show me a difference between the Pioneer League football programs and the NCAA Div.3 programs. There is not one. Only the name of the Division.
Quote from: vu72 on September 05, 2011, 04:48:53 PM
I understand your position but I'm just being practical. Non-scholarship is non-scholarship and will draw the same type players. Look, the pride of the Pioneer League at the moment, Jacksonville, just lost to The Citadel 31-9!! The Citadel is ranked 174 in the Sagarins and not that much better than Dayton at 180 or Jacksonville at 184 or so. We can't compete with the Southern Conference nor any other scholarship conference. Those are facts. I'll flip the question: show me some evidence that ANY Pioneer League team could compete with a scholarship team. Sure, you might find a win or two but that's about it. Our goal should be to win the Pioneer League and not get embarrassed against smaller D1 scholarship programs like The Citadel AND, beat the Franklins of the world on a regular basis--not KILL them because we are "D1", but just win.
Let me add one other example. In 2003 Valpo won the Pioneer Championship with David Macchi at the helm. That season included wins against Dayton, San Diego and Drake. It also included a loss to Murray State, 34-0. I rest my case...
Don't get me wrong, I know were you are coming from too, I just don't agree with the premise.
I can't show you any evidence that a Pioneer League champ can compete with a scholarship football program, but that's kind of my point as well. It's sad really, don't you think? What are you really winning then?
It appears that the winner of the conference will get into the 1AA(or whatever they are calling it now) playoffs. The probability of success there is remote, but still, it is at a higher level than D3.
Winning the title is the goal obviously. I'm just saying that we need to temper our expectations in the same way that the winner of the MAC understands that they won't be in a BCS bowl. I think the Pioneer champ plays the Northeast champ, or someone, so there is a "post season" potential as well.
The appeal for a young man goes beyond the quality of the education and the recognition of the degree in the workplace. From a football experience point of view, as I've stated earlier, you get national exposure (limited), national travel and presumably better perks, like the school buying your shoes fro example.
I have no idea what it costs to go to Franklin versus Valpo, but if its even close I would think our coaches have a pretty compelling story to tell.
Beyond all that, what are we really winning is a good question. I think it is about the experience and camaraderie more than just winning.
Sagarin stll has Valpo ranked at 246. I don't know why. Hell, we scored 35pts,averaged over 43 yds. on 10 punts,and amassed over 400 yds. on offensive. I guess the real problem was our "D." Franklin tip-toed through our tulip "D" for a total of 669 yds.and 7 tds. Oh well,there are easier opponents out there. One or two of our wins (maybe 4) could come from the likes of Sagarin rated teams such as: Campbell #243,Davidson #239,Morehead #236, or Butler # 234. Let's take all four. GO VALPO!
Well said setshot.
Looking at the schedule it appears we aren't the only Pioneer League team sticking its neck out. This Saturday, Jacksonville plays Western Illinois, Butler plays Indiana State and Morehead plays Illinois State. Not Youngstown State, but still, a big challenge.
I also saw that Marist is playing Bucknell of the Patriot League. Those teams seem like good competition for us and teams with good name recognition. Could also help our recruiting for students on the east coast.
At the same time I noticed the logo for Holy Cross, one of the Patriot teams.
Does this look familiar? http://www.goholycross.com/ (http://www.goholycross.com/) Funny, no face?? :crazy:
Will be a tough week.
YSU - 42
VU - 10
Yes, Youngstown State will be a very tough opponent.
66-13 YSU
Quote from: vu72 on September 06, 2011, 11:14:26 AM
Does this look familiar? http://www.goholycross.com/ (http://www.goholycross.com/) Funny, no face?? :crazy:
It's very interesting that the Holy Cross Crusader mascot doesn't have a face either. The costume seems to be much more managable as far as movement. Here's a look at the Crusader mascot from the back as he is typing at a typerwriter.
http://www.goholycross.com/genrel/Notes/090611crusadernotes (http://www.goholycross.com/genrel/Notes/090611crusadernotes)
Here is another look at the Holy Cross Crusader
http://www.goholycross.com/information/directory/General_Releases/051711npr (http://www.goholycross.com/information/directory/General_Releases/051711npr)
Quote from: setshot on September 06, 2011, 10:21:02 AM
Sagarin stll has Valpo ranked at 246. I don't know why. Hell, we scored 35pts,averaged over 43 yds. on 10 punts,and amassed over 400 yds. on offensive. I guess the real problem was our "D." Franklin tip-toed through our tulip "D" for a total of 669 yds.and 7 tds. Oh well,there are easier opponents out there. One or two of our wins (maybe 4) could come from the likes of Sagarin rated teams such as: Campbell #243,Davidson #239,Morehead #236, or Butler # 234. Let's take all four. GO VALPO!
i'm liking the optimism. don't suppose it's too much to ask to keep it up?
The game against YSU is a mismatch from the standpoint that yes non versus scholarship, picking developed kids from Junior Colleges versus 97.5% incoming freshman, holdouts that are getting eligible to play because they are non qualifiers versus pre-med/engineering/pre-law, and D1 AA football factory versus developing the leaders of tomorrow. Go look at the bios of the YSU players and see what I have just offered. Their roster is for the kids that could not get into a real D1 school because of academic issues. They have a bunch of JC players, Community College players, and guys that could not qualify at all. If it were not for grades many YSU players would be at D1 BCS schools. Several come from Penn State, Ohio State, and other bigger programs where there either flunked out or were not starters.
So this is a mismatch. There O Line goes 6'6", 6'3",6'3",6'4",and 6'6" with 325, 315, 320, 285, and 310 respectively.
The fact that we will be tested is an understatement. The good news is our players will by far have the toughest game of their year out of the way. Non-Conference to.
After reading this thread, IMO, if the prevailing view is that VU should not schedule upper tier FCS schools (or any FCS schools outside of the PFL for that matter) or that the program itself is of Division III caliber, then I am sorry, but the program has to go. Disband it in its entirety and put the money used for it towards a track. Any one up for that?
At D-III schools, I would imagine that athletics are primarily used as a magnet to draw and increase student population. I think the VU ADept is moving away from that mentality in general with the use of its sports teams as a D-I institution. However, since VU Football remains "D-I in name only" as some of you allege, with the new initiative to get VU's enrollment to over 6,000 students in the future, it would seem to me that the football program's purpose has been served because VU will not need to rely on it to increase and/or maintain male enrollment.
The only other alternative would be to legitimize the program by offering a slew of scholarships, but of course that would never happen.
Personally, we could lose 49-0 against YSU and I would take that against a win over Franklin any day of the week. FCS should be competing against FCS.
Hey guys,
I come in peace. I was reading your message board and saw your concern. First of all, lets hope that nobody gets hurt. In FB if you are doing the hitting then you are usually okay. If you are the one being hit, well, odds are against you.
The game could be closer than you think. Our secondary is our area of concern. We were not tested by MSU. They were hell bent on establishing a power running game on us and were not very successful. Valpo needs to see if they can get to the edge and deep into the secondary. That means that you will have to be able to protect the QB long enough to get the ball down the field vertically. YSU's LB's are the best part of the D and the DL isn't too shabby either. The secondary is the question mark for the Penguins. We had issues last year that cost us games. We have improved this area, but little is known. Cousins completed two deep balls on YSU that put them into position to score. We actually matched up well with them in many areas.
YSU's offense is really potent, but turnovers can be game changers. Valpo will need to try to control the clock on offense to keep the YSU offense off of the field.
I am happy that we get to play you at a sport we are good at. I am sick and tired of watching us lose to you guys in basketball.
Read the story. Great story. I feel for you. I didn't realize that you have been struggling so much in FB. I hope the players will enjoy playing at YSU. We should have good attendance it can get really loud at times. They may enjoy it. Give it some time. Marshall University went through some a bad period after the plane crash in the 1970's and eventually won a National Championship at the FCS level. You just have to believe and you have to get the fans to go to the games. People=$
I'll predict YSU 63 - VU 10. Not quite as bad as the Jacksonville game, but close. Besides that, they want to keep VU on the schedule so beating them into a plup won't help that cause.
Quote from: crusaderjoe on September 06, 2011, 04:04:36 PM
After reading this thread, IMO, if the prevailing view is that VU should not schedule upper tier FCS schools (or any FCS schools outside of the PFL for that matter) or that the program itself is of Division III caliber, then I am sorry, but the program has to go. Disband it in its entirety and put the money used for it towards a track. Any one up for that?
At D-III schools, I would imagine that athletics are primarily used as a magnet to draw and increase student population. I think the VU ADept is moving away from that mentality in general with the use of its sports teams as a D-I institution. However, since VU Football remains "D-I in name only" as some of you allege, with the new initiative to get VU's enrollment to over 6,000 students in the future, it would seem to me that the football program's purpose has been served because VU will not need to rely on it to increase and/or maintain male enrollment.
The only other alternative would be to legitimize the program by offering a slew of scholarships, but of course that would never happen.
Personally, we could lose 49-0 against YSU and I would take that against a win over Franklin any day of the week. FCS should be competing against FCS.
I basically agree with everything you are saying and just offering my support.
milan -- just to add to a question about PFL competing/winning against scholly programs, Jacksonville last year also rolled Old Dominion, and my recollection is that USD during the Harbaugh years was competing against and winning against FCS opponents. Not sure how the old Sagarins in football work, but I would guess that it might help rankings to play and occasionally beat the higher ranked D1AA-S schools. I'd rather see us play the Ivys, Pat Leagues and YSUs than Franklin, Concordia and Augustana (IL) (although that was a whale of a program back in the 80s). The argument is similar to why do FCS programs schedule BCS programs. Michigan has asked themselves that question.....
Coach Carlson covers most of the questions and comments above in his YSU Preview at the football blog. :deadhorse:
http://blogs.valpo.edu/football/ (http://blogs.valpo.edu/football/)
one clarification - ysu is a member of the missouri valley FOOTBALL conference. not the missouri valley conference. they just happen to share some of the same teams.
Nice to see that Valpo will be playing North Dakota in 2013. If I am still here I'll be sure to catch it!
Youngstown newpaper opinion: :whiteflag:
http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/sep/08/valpo-is-better-but-still-not-very-good/ (http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/sep/08/valpo-is-better-but-still-not-very-good/)
Quote from: vu72 on September 09, 2011, 10:15:39 AM
Youngstown newpaper opinion: :whiteflag:
http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/sep/08/valpo-is-better-but-still-not-very-good/ (http://www.vindy.com/news/2011/sep/08/valpo-is-better-but-still-not-very-good/)
The story is pretty much straight on and accurate.
The quote that makes the fear of Valpo players maybe getting hurt in this game is this one:
"We've got to really get in there and get physical with them," said YSU receiver Christian Bryan. "I think they're going to be a little softer [than Michigan State] so if we get in there and get physical, we can really set the tone early on."Let's hope the injuries are kept to a minimum.
Nice to be recognized for our lack of success on the football field. Last in the country and soon to be last in the hearts of our fellow alums,that's VU football. Oh,but keep in mind,its not whether you win or lose,its how the tuition payers can't play the game. 246,246 hip hip hooray. :bowdown:
Quote from: okinawatyphoon on September 08, 2011, 09:42:20 PM
Nice to see that Valpo will be playing North Dakota in 2013. If I am still here I'll be sure to catch it!
but where's the game gonna be? any chance it's in valpo? or will it be bismarck?
I presume the motivation for this game is the same as Youngstown State--for both sides. As a result, there is no way this game will be in Valpo. It's a payday for Valpo. I do wonder how much money we will get for the YSU game.
Quote from: vuweathernerd on September 09, 2011, 05:33:38 PM
Quote from: okinawatyphoon on September 08, 2011, 09:42:20 PM
Nice to see that Valpo will be playing North Dakota in 2013. If I am still here I'll be sure to catch it!
but where's the game gonna be? any chance it's in valpo? or will it be bismarck?
Not sure, but the university of north Dakota is in Grand Forks and North Dakota state university is in Fargo.
28-0,YSU in the 1st. quarter. It's gonna be a long day.
Quote from: setshot on September 10, 2011, 03:41:56 PM
28-0,YSU in the 1st. quarter. It's gonna be a long day.
Long might be the understatement of the day.
49-0 with 10:48 left to go in the 2nd qtr.
Revision - 56 - 0 with 7:17 in the 2nd
So much for YSU not beating Valpo to a pulp so they will keep them on the schedule. When was the last time somebody scored 100 in a game?
Obvious superior athletes at 80% of positions but Alpo isn't doing anything to help themselves. Arm tackle won't work with any good teams. 3 and out only helps YSU run it up. Hurry up offense leaves more on the clock for them. Maybe YSU should step off the pedal and play some 2's. 56-0 7:15 to go in 2nd quarter. These guys need to hold together and not quit or checkout. YSU is now only hurting themselves if they keep running it up. :whiteflag:
Valpo Scores! Not a shutout this time. 4:00 to go in 2nd block PAT! 56-6 Oh well. We still can't tackle.
Quote from: milanmiracle on September 06, 2011, 09:14:43 PM
I'll predict YSU 63 - VU 10.
You are close to having the first half score. We have worst AD in country. Game should never be scheduled and there really is no vision to get out of where we are with football. No scholarship is kill you and provide no alternatives. Even what the coach says makes no sense when talking recruiting strategy.
AD must go
YSU needs to take the foot off the gas a little bit. This is embarrassing to me. It is disrespectful IMOP.
I wouldn't blame a 63-6 halftime score on the athletic director. He could have scheduled Newport News Apprentice (whatever that is, and who Campbell beat 76-0 today), but the football team would still probably find a way to lose.
Halftime 63-6 I hope our team keeps it's head up and competes against the 2s and 3s they see in the second half. I'll be very upset if YSU brings back the 1s. Nothing good would come of that and their young coach knows it but he'll be looking for performance from the subs and that means we must stay engaged. Not pretty at all but you have to endure and grow.
Quote from: penguinpower on September 10, 2011, 04:42:03 PM
YSU needs to take the foot off the gas a little bit. This is embarrassing to me. It is disrespectful IMOP.
I wouldn't consider it disrespectful at all. Its a college football game, and YSt should expect to be able to get their first stringers at least a half of actual football action to prepare for the rest of the season. If there are 63 points put up in the second half, then yes. But even if 20-30 more points are put up, don't worry about your school being "disrespectful"... you can't take a knee in the third quarter.
Quote from: drewsaders11 on September 10, 2011, 04:48:09 PM
Quote from: penguinpower on September 10, 2011, 04:42:03 PM
YSU needs to take the foot off the gas a little bit. This is embarrassing to me. It is disrespectful IMOP.
I wouldn't consider it disrespectful at all. Its a college football game, and YSt should expect to be able to get their first stringers at least a half of actual football action to prepare for the rest of the season. If there are 63 points put up in the second half, then yes. But even if 20-30 more points are put up, don't worry about your school being "disrespectful"... you can't take a knee in the third quarter.
At least they are just running it up the middle now with the 3rd team. I was concerned that we would keep mixing it up.
Announcers on the video feed are complementing Valpo for contining to play. They are trying to comment on good play and heart but I can see that Valpo is beat mentally. 77-6 now and Valpo defense is just catching them not even hitting and more. I believe the team will need a mental health day even if this offense does get something going in the end.
This game should not have been on the schedule. Extremely poor decision on the part of the AD. Injury to top FR recruit definitely not worth it. Cannot see how a game like this helps in recruiting or retention. Certainly didn't help the "rebuilding" process.
This team needs confidence boosters. Losing faith in the administration.
Came back and scored at the end - not giving up helps the head. 77-13! Put this one down and never pick it up again. It's over, done , finished get on with the rest of the season. Do what you are able to do and get ready for this coming week. See you in Pittsburgh! :banghead:
This is a prime example why scheduling a team so far above our level in football is not the same as in basketball, and it should not be done. Nothing was gained by this game (except maybe some revenue), while there has to be harm to the team physically and emotionally. It also cannot help the stature of the team when trying to get new players next year.
In basketball, Valpo is not likely to suffer physical injury, the players learn and improve from playing top tier teams, they enjoy testing themselves against the marquee players, the strength of schedule rises, and everyone appreciates the television exposure, which also brings in funds and actually helps with recruitment.
Now, I hope the basketball team dedicates itself to avenging this game when they play the Penguins in the upcoming season.
Well it's over. That's about the best comment I can make. There is no surprise here. It would have been the same results if Valpo scheduled IU. Actually that game might have been closer as I think YSU would beat IU most years.
Embarrassing. YSU could have named the score, and then some.
Someone mentioned that a top freshman recruit was injured today. How badly injured was he? I hate it when our student athletes are injured. Paul
Quote from: 78crusader on September 10, 2011, 07:40:58 PM
Someone mentioned that a top freshman recruit was injured today. How badly injured was he? I hate it when our student athletes are injured. Paul
From the NWI Times:
Freshman running back Gabe Ali-El was averaging 6.8 yards on four carries when he left with an ankle injury midway through the third quarter. Ali-El returned to the sidelines on crutches late in the game and x-rays were negative. There was no word on Ali-El's availability for next weekend's contest at Duquense.
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/article_380621d1-1589-5ba7-99a1-a9c4e6497c00.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/article_380621d1-1589-5ba7-99a1-a9c4e6497c00.html)
Quote from: okinawatyphoon on September 10, 2011, 01:31:05 PM
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Quote from: okinawatyphoon on September 08, 2011, 09:42:20 PM
Nice to see that Valpo will be playing North Dakota in 2013. If I am still here I'll be sure to catch it!
but where's the game gonna be? any chance it's in valpo? or will it be bismarck?
Not sure, but the university of north Dakota is in Grand Forks and North Dakota state university is in Fargo.
i thought und was in bismarck... clearly i've had better days.
is it too late to get out of the game for next season? absolutely ridiculous. :crazy: if you can't beat a d3 program, there is no reason to schedule a d1aa powerhouse. i don't care that "we compete at the same level as them." clearly it's not even close.
YSU won three games last season, and they're picked 8th in their league this year. They may have been a 1AA powerhouse when Jim Tressel coached there, but they don't fit in that category anymore.
Quote from: chef on September 11, 2011, 01:56:00 AM
YSU won three games last season, and they're picked 8th in their league this year. They may have been a 1AA powerhouse when Jim Tressel coached there, but they don't fit in that category anymore.
They might have been 3-8 last year but lead in every game they played (yes, even vs. Penn State), and lost every game they played in by 10 points or less with the exception of Penn State
YSU also
fired their coach had their previous coach resign, despite being 16 game over .500.
YSU is second all time in National Championships (all under Tressel) and is still a national powerhouse in much the same way that IU is still in that catagory in basketball. It's all a matter of opinion and having 3 losing seasons in the last 11 years, a point can be made both ways.
Quote from: milanmiracle on September 11, 2011, 07:02:33 AM
Quote from: chef on September 11, 2011, 01:56:00 AM
YSU won three games last season, and they're picked 8th in their league this year. They may have been a 1AA powerhouse when Jim Tressel coached there, but they don't fit in that category anymore.
They might have been 3-8 last year but lead in every game they played (yes, even vs. Penn State), and lost every game they played in by 10 points or less with the exception of Penn State
YSU also fired their coach had their previous coach resign, despite being 16 game over .500.
YSU is second all time in National Championships (all under Tressel) and is still a national powerhouse in much the same way that IU is still in that catagory in basketball. It's all a matter of opinion and having 3 losing seasons in the last 11 years, a point can be made both ways.
This is like comparing YSU to Notre Dame, minus the money, prestige, and mystique that surrounds the program. Neither program is the same, and it could be years before they both are at the top of their respective divisions of D-I football.
Quote from: valporun on September 11, 2011, 07:13:59 AM
Quote from: milanmiracle on September 11, 2011, 07:02:33 AM
Quote from: chef on September 11, 2011, 01:56:00 AM
YSU won three games last season, and they're picked 8th in their league this year. They may have been a 1AA powerhouse when Jim Tressel coached there, but they don't fit in that category anymore.
They might have been 3-8 last year but lead in every game they played (yes, even vs. Penn State), and lost every game they played in by 10 points or less with the exception of Penn State
YSU also fired their coach had their previous coach resign, despite being 16 game over .500.
YSU is second all time in National Championships (all under Tressel) and is still a national powerhouse in much the same way that IU is still in that catagory in basketball. It's all a matter of opinion and having 3 losing seasons in the last 11 years, a point can be made both ways.
This is like comparing YSU to Notre Dame, minus the money, prestige, and mystique that surrounds the program. Neither program is the same, and it could be years before they both are at the top of their respective divisions of D-I football.
YSU's new Head Coach is a local product and he was brought in to restore the program back to national prominence. Last year was his first year and he ran off about 45 players. He only used 50 of the 62 scholarships to save them because he was hire late in the recruiting game. YSU was ahead in every game last year under the new coach, including Penn State for nearly the first half of football. The defense was not good enough to keep the team in games and YSU lost 7 games with less than a minute remaining. He went out recruiting and landed several highly rated recruits, D1 and JUCO transfers ( I think he got 2 JUCO's). All of the new recruits are showing to be impact players. I don't think that he wanted to go the route of transfers, but he needed them as the cupboard was bare. YSU is well on its way. If they don't get hit with injuries they should be able to make it into the playoffs and make a run at the National Championship. They may be another year away as the secondary has not been tested and will likely need another year of recruiting to shore it up. Football is too important to the schoolfor it not to remain successful. It is the bread and butter of the athletics at the university.
Quote from: penguinpower on September 11, 2011, 07:57:05 PM
Quote from: valporun on September 11, 2011, 07:13:59 AM
Quote from: milanmiracle on September 11, 2011, 07:02:33 AM
Quote from: chef on September 11, 2011, 01:56:00 AM
YSU won three games last season, and they're picked 8th in their league this year. They may have been a 1AA powerhouse when Jim Tressel coached there, but they don't fit in that category anymore.
They might have been 3-8 last year but lead in every game they played (yes, even vs. Penn State), and lost every game they played in by 10 points or less with the exception of Penn State
YSU also fired their coach had their previous coach resign, despite being 16 game over .500.
YSU is second all time in National Championships (all under Tressel) and is still a national powerhouse in much the same way that IU is still in that catagory in basketball. It's all a matter of opinion and having 3 losing seasons in the last 11 years, a point can be made both ways.
This is like comparing YSU to Notre Dame, minus the money, prestige, and mystique that surrounds the program. Neither program is the same, and it could be years before they both are at the top of their respective divisions of D-I football.
YSU's new Head Coach is a local product and he was brought in to restore the program back to national prominence. Last year was his first year and he ran off about 45 players. He only used 50 of the 62 scholarships to save them because he was hire late in the recruiting game. YSU was ahead in every game last year under the new coach, including Penn State for nearly the first half of football. The defense was not good enough to keep the team in games and YSU lost 7 games with less than a minute remaining. He went out recruiting and landed several highly rated recruits, D1 and JUCO transfers ( I think he got 2 JUCO's). All of the new recruits are showing to be impact players. I don't think that he wanted to go the route of transfers, but he needed them as the cupboard was bare. YSU is well on its way. If they don't get hit with injuries they should be able to make it into the playoffs and make a run at the National Championship. They may be another year away as the secondary has not been tested and will likely need another year of recruiting to shore it up. Football is too important to the schoolfor it not to remain successful. It is the bread and butter of the athletics at the university.
I would completely agree that they found the right man for the job (even if he is an Ursline grad). I fully expect them to return to the national stage in very short order. YSU football IS Youngstown, OH. The town lives for High School football and Youngstown State football in much the same way Hoosiers used to flock to the state basketball tournament. It's that big, and maybe bigger.
If you think this year was bad for Valpo, wait till year 3 under Eric Wolford...they'll be even better.