Copied this off the PFL forum site. Interesting. Wonder how that got out there.
http://pflfan.proboards.com/thread/3666/recruiting-soon-resume
At least now I know what an official offer from Valpo looks like.
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 08, 2019, 08:21:24 PM
Copied this off the PFL forum site. Interesting. Wonder how that got out there.
http://pflfan.proboards.com/thread/3666/recruiting-soon-resume
At least now I know what an official offer from Valpo looks like.
These are out on Twitter quite often
Question:
"I and my coaching staff...."
Is that sentence correct or is it just awkwardly written? I would think "My coach staff and I..." would be better. I don't recall seeing a sentence written that way and I don't think people would speak in that fashion.
It sounds like several people should pay attention to Wierd Al Yankovik's "Word Crimes" video.
Valpo needs lots of talent and we need some good salesmen to escalate this program. 2 win seasons is unacceptable.
#62 had a thread with a commit already.
That being said wow, we have 15 people in the football offices and nobody catches that typo in the first sentence.
Yikes
Quote from: JD24 on November 08, 2019, 10:20:03 PM
Question:
"I and my coaching staff...."
Is that sentence correct or is it just awkwardly written? I would think "My coach staff and I..." would be better. I don't recall seeing a sentence written that way and I don't think people would speak in that fashion.
I am not an English expert nor do I play one on TV but the internet which we all know is always correct indicates that the sentence is grammatically correct.
I think Fox could have worded it better. I think what he meant to express was "I, along with my coaching staff, ......" but it's not really worth prolonging this element of the recruitment thread.
Quote from: IndyValpo on November 15, 2019, 10:47:48 AMQuote from: JD24 on November 08, 2019, 10:20:03 PMQuestion: "I and my coaching staff...." Is that sentence correct or is it just awkwardly written? I would think "My coach staff and I..." would be better. I don't recall seeing a sentence written that way and I don't think people would speak in that fashion.
I am not an English expert nor do I play one on TV but the internet which we all know is always correct indicates that the sentence is grammatically correct.
Yeah. My comment was less that it wasn't gramatically correct and more that the phrasing just seems awkward. I can't recall anyone speaking in this manner and sometimes there are geographical differences in how words and phrasing are used.
Quote from: JD24 on November 15, 2019, 04:58:20 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on November 15, 2019, 10:47:48 AMQuote from: JD24 on November 08, 2019, 10:20:03 PMQuestion: "I and my coaching staff...." Is that sentence correct or is it just awkwardly written? I would think "My coach staff and I..." would be better. I don't recall seeing a sentence written that way and I don't think people would speak in that fashion.
I am not an English expert nor do I play one on TV but the internet which we all know is always correct indicates that the sentence is grammatically correct.
Yeah. My comment was less that it wasn't gramatically correct and more that the phrasing just seems awkward. I can't recall anyone speaking in this manner and sometimes there are geographical differences in how words and phrasing are used.
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This why the Valpo forum is so unique. Do you know of any, or have you ever heard of, a fan forum debating grammar? Only at Valpo!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 15, 2019, 12:49:04 PM
I think Fox could have worded it better. I think what he meant to express was "I, along with my coaching staff, ......" but it's not really worth prolonging this element of the recruitment thread.
Agree, doesn't seem to have any effect at all when you correct anyone especially if they can blame it on auto correct.
Agree, no
MORE prolonging the thread in this way.
New commit: Derek Byrd 6'5 312 offensive tackle, Bourbannais, ILL
Brother of RT Aaron Byrd
Other offers: Culver Stockton, Concordia, Oliver Nazarene
Team National Rank: 3589
Brings class to two
S-Dom Backes 5'11 190
OT-Derek Byrd 6'5 312
Quote from: valpofb16 on November 17, 2019, 08:07:14 AM
New commit: Derek Byrd 6'5 312 offensive tackle, Bourbannais, ILL
Brother of RT Aaron Byrd
Other offers: Culver Stockton, Concordia, Oliver Nazarene
Team National Rank: 3589
Brings class to two
S-Dom Backes 5'11 190
OT-Derek Byrd 6'5 312
First OL of many to be signed. I have to believe that we will be looking JUCO for some immediate depth.
IndyValpo agreed but JUCO may be hardest sell for Valpo
Most kids go JUCO because they didn't have grades or though they deserved a scholarship
Valpo is actually the inverse of this as you need grades and no scholarship
Quote from: valpofb16 on November 18, 2019, 08:32:02 AM
IndyValpo agreed but JUCO may be hardest sell for Valpo
Most kids go JUCO because they didn't have grades or though they deserved a scholarship
Valpo is actually the inverse of this as you need grades and no scholarship
Agreed though it will not be for lack of trying as we have offered 4 JC OL this week.
This will be the most important recruiting class in the Fox era. It will be interesting to see how big the class will be.
We need probably at least 10 on the OL. As I mentioned previously we have multiple JUCO offers made.
Recruiting at this level is fascinating. To date we offers out to over 250 to land 30-40 players.
Quote from: IndyValpo on November 24, 2019, 12:11:54 PMThis will be the most important recruiting class in the Fox era. It will be interesting to see how big the class will be. We need probably at least 10 on the OL. As I mentioned previously we have multiple JUCO offers made. Recruiting at this level is fascinating. To date we offers out to over 250 to land 30-40 players.
Wouldn't it be closer to 50? I thought the overall numbers were down on the roster due to graduation and attrition.
Quote from: IndyValpo on November 24, 2019, 12:11:54 PM
This will be the most important recruiting class in the Fox era. It will be interesting to see how big the class will be.
We need probably at least 10 on the OL. As I mentioned previously we have multiple JUCO offers made.
Recruiting at this level is fascinating. To date we offers out to over 250 to land 30-40 players.
I don't know why this is the most important recruiting class of the Fox era, other than it is the first that he and his staff have been involved throughout the whole recruiting year. Important yes. Retaining players that will impact the two deep roster, getting a few impactful recruits on each side of the ball, and finding players that will take a year or two to develop should be all that is expected
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89 kids on roster 18 seniors 71/110 spots are filled theoretically
I agree with the above post retention is a necessity to compete consistently. I also agree we need OL bad.
With two recruits committed and 71 set to return appears we have 37 roster spots as of this second. Will know more when we get another spring roster
Quote from: valpofb16 on November 25, 2019, 12:52:22 PM89 kids on roster 18 seniors 71/110 spots are filled theoretically I agree with the above post retention is a necessity to compete consistently. I also agree we need OL bad. With two recruits committed and 71 set to return appears we have 37 roster spots as of this second. Will know more when we get another spring roster
So that means 39 open spots at the moment and there will be some attrition even if it is or maybe because it is players who aren't really counted on at the moment. It would be remarkable if there isn't some attrition. So would you figure 45 recruits to fill out the roster?
Recruits on campus this weekend.
Indyvalpo can concur
Two official visit weekends in December, Three in January.
Right now looking at a class in the low 40's in numbers. If we are somewhere in the mid 20's at signing day I will be happy.
Seems to be a trend but about 1/3 of our recruits come after signing day. Will probably not know roster until August
New commit: Landon Robbins 6'0 220 Columbus North, IN
Other Offers: Olivet Nazarene , Rose Hulman
Team National Rank: 2244
Commits:
DB-Backes
OL-Byrd
LB-Robbins
New Commit: Sean Carpenter OL 6'5 280
Fenwick, Illinois
Other offers: N/A
National Rank: 2874
Commits:
DB-Backes
OL-Byrd
OL-Carpenter
LB-Robbins
Quote from: valpofb16 on December 09, 2019, 07:09:08 PMNew commit: Landon Robbins 6'0 220 Columbus North, IN
Had to be the name.
New Commit: DE Chase Folkestad 6'1 230 O'Connor HS, Phoenix, AZ
Other Offers: Southwest Baptist, Minnesota Crookston, Saint Anslem, Western Colorado, Pacific, Fort Lewis
HS National Rank: 2335
Commits:
OL-Carpenter
OL-Byrd
DE-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
DB- Backes
Quote from: valpofb16 on December 10, 2019, 01:40:10 PM
New Commit: DE Chase Folkestad 6'1 230 O'Connor HS, Phoenix, AZ
Other Offers: Southwest Baptist, Minnesota Crookston, Saint Anslem, Western Colorado, Pacific, Fort Lewis
HS National Rank: 2335
Commits:
OL-Carpenter
OL-Byrd
DE-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
DB- Backes
Glad he didn't pick Minn-Crookston. They along with St Cloud State are dropping football.
New Commit: OL Mason Fortner Wadworth HS, OHIO. 6-2 270.
Other offers: Urbana University, Tiffin, Siena Heights, Ohio Dominican
HS National Rank: 890
Played LT in HS. Recruits landing a lot faster this year than usual. Also quality of schools going up as we have recruited 1 kid outside the top 3000
Commits:
OL-Byrd
OL-Carpenter
OL-Fortner
DE-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
DB- Backes
New Commit: Andrew Covert OL Gabriel Richard HS, Mich. 6-8 325.
Played RT in HS, teammate of the Hebdas
Other Offers: Lawrence Tech, Madonna College, Concordia University
HS National Rank: 8608
OL size is definitely improved, will be young. Also last few commits have passed up D2 offers for non scholly PFL
Commits:
OL-Byrd
OL-Carpenter
OL-Fortner
OL-Covert
DL-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
DB-Backes
Quote from: valpofb16 on December 11, 2019, 07:10:37 AM
New Commit: OL Mason Fortner Wadworth HS, OHIO. 6-2 270.
Other offers: Urbana University, Tiffin, Siena Heights, Ohio Dominican
HS National Rank: 890
Played LT in HS. Recruits landing a lot faster this year than usual. Also quality of schools going up as we have recruited 1 kid outside the top 3000
Commits:
OL-Byrd
OL-Carpenter
OL-Fortner
DE-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
DB- Backes
I was trying to put some context in the recruiting ratings. If the website I found is accurate there are:
FBS 125 schools
FCS 129
D2 169
D3 250
NAIA 96
So not counting JC there are 769 schools playing football. 423 are D2 or higher meaning if each of those schools adds 20 that's over 8,400.
The ratings posted are their HS football teams national ranking according to maxpreps.
If the numbers you ran were correct, us getting heavy contributing players from top 3,000 schools is impressive with non scholarship football.
Fox's familiarity with the Midwest seems to be planning out early.
New Commit: Kurt Kessen Utica HS, Mich. ATH 6'3 230
Played H, TE, and DE in HS, projects as a DE or H in college, something we don't have currently
Other offers: N/A
HS National Rank: 6165
Commits:
ATH- Kessen
OL- Byrd
OL- Carpenter
OL- Fortner
OL- Covert
DL- Folkestad
LB- Robbins
DB- Backes
That is 8 commits early December, all good sized kids from the Midwest
New Commit: Brian Robinson Mallard Creek HS, North Carolina. RB 5'8 185
2nd leading rusher on team, 5.4 per carry, can catch out of backfield too
Other Offers: N/A
HS National Rank: 110!
Commits:
ATH-Kessen
RB-Robinson
OL-Byrd
OL-Carpenter
OL-Fortner
OL-Covert
DL-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
DB-Backes
9! In December! Wow
Roster news
Ruszkowski quit, was 5th string QB for most the season.
Russell and McKeag are done playing both related to injury. Russell horrific leg injury and McKeag nagging ones dating back to last season
Berkemeier quit which was a bit of a head scratcher, was only freshman not to RS
Quote from: valpofb16 on December 11, 2019, 10:02:57 PM
Roster news
Ruszkowski quit, was 5th string QB for most the season.
Russell and McKeag are done playing both related to injury. Russell horrific leg injury and McKeag nagging ones dating back to last season
Berkemeier quit which was a bit of a head scratcher, was only freshman not to RS
So Ruzskowski was ahead of Salyers meaning we only have #4 and #6 returning.
Obviously QB is a recruiting need. I know we had in home visits with a Ty Poorman from Florida and Bailey Parker who played at East Noble near Fort Wayne this week.
Parker has among other offers a PWO with IU.
My apologies Rusz was behind Saylers.
Would be shocked to see a true Fr be the starter at QB next season. However they have 4 games to work with per FR.
Staff really likes Saylers and thinks he's the future. Nimz gets his shot too both come from winning programs.
The Bailey Parker kid form East Noble H S, Kendallville, IN(just north of FW) also is a strong defensive backfield guy/safety who has commanded interest for his defends. He is a good athlete and was a very good QB.
Quote from: valpofb16 on December 12, 2019, 11:31:20 AM
Would be shocked to see a true Fr be the starter at QB next season. However they have 4 games to work with per FR.
Agreed however having 2-3 QB's get hurt in not unusual for us.
New Commit: Zykee Bogan Houston County HS, Georgia 5-10 180 OLB
Will Play the CRU Position coming in next year, also could play safety
Other Offers: Jacksonville University (PFL Win!), Hanover, Avila University, Clarke University, Lawrence University, Southwest Minnesota State, Rockford
HS National Rank: 1031
Commits:
RB-Robinson
TE-Kessen
OL-Byrd
OL-Carpenter
OL-Fortner
OL-Covert
DL-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
OLB-Bogan
DB-Backes
Note: Kessen appears to be recruited at the TE position.
Valpo's national draw continues to amaze me. We already have commits from seven different states. :clap: :clap: :clap:
Quote from: valpofb16 on December 13, 2019, 12:31:37 PMOther Offers: Jacksonville University (PFL Win!), Hanover, Avila University, Clarke University, Lawrence University, Southwest Minnesota State, Rockford
Maybe the fact that Jacksonville is dropping their football team has a lot to do with Valpo beating them out for this recruit. ;)
North Dakota, North Dakota State(!!!), Illinois State for the games we hope most of the players return to campus in a state of some sort of marginal mobility for '20, '21 and '22 respectively. That's 3 2019 playoff teams including the No. 1 FCS team. North Dakota State and Illinois State are playing each other today.
For the lesser thrashing for '20 it's CCSU again in CT. Another FCS playoff team in 2019. Then home and home vs. Dartmouth for '21 and '22. Dartmouth was Ivy League championship this year and only lost a close one to Cornell which really wasn't all that great this year. Dartmouth opened with Jacksonville this year and beat the dead program 35-6. For '23 and '24 it will be St. Francis(PA) which could be an easier matchup and potentially a winable game.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/football/news/2019-20/19576/valpo-football-announces-future-nonconference-games/
Fox is definitely being aggressive in scheduling. I like it!
New Commit: Jake Vickers, Canton HS Mich. TE 6'3 240
Other Offers: Lawrence Tech
HS National Rank: 3628
Commits:
RB-Robinson
TE-Kessen
TE-Vickers
OL-Byrd
OL-Carpenter
OL-Fortner
OL-Covert
DL-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
OLB-Bogan
DB-Backes
New Commit: Nolan Garrard, Niles HS. Mich, OL 6'8 305
Other Offers: Aurora (Ill.), St. Norbert
HS National Rank: 9394
Commits:
RB-Robinson
TE-Kessen
TE-Vickers
OL-Byrd
OL-Carpenter
OL-Fortner
OL-Covert
OL-Garrard
DL-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
OLB-Bogan
DB-Backes
New Commit: Preston Evans Perrysburg HS, Ohio 6'2 215 TE
Other Offers: N/A (Bowling Green, Toledo Visits)
HS National Rank: 1598
Commits:
RB-Robinson
TE-Kessen
TE-Vickers
TE-Evans
OL-Byrd
OL-Carpenter
OL-Fortner
OL-Covert
OL-Garrard
DL-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
OLB-Bogan
DB-Backes
Hate to see that most of these guys don't have any other competitive offers. Doesn't bode well for the future
Holy crap, we signed some OL beef today! Fox is obviously trying to get some massive OL, probably with the hopes that he can develop some under-the-radar guys.
Added a ton of size at OL and TE today. Had no ability to run ball last year and it starts up front. Looks like they've taken raw large student focused athletes with hopes or retention and development.
A few notes from signing day.
1. We gained another DB (JUCO Christian Day from PA) and Brock Johnson (FB from TX)
2. Bogans, Robinson are signing after dead period
3. Fortner looks ready to go.
4. Still roughly 30 spots available.
5. No QBs, only 2 for spring. Chick had one year where Clarke was the only spring QB. Could be similar.
Overall hard to judge class because it's 2/3 not completed. From the team last season WR, QB, OL,DB we're our biggest concerns moving forward. We addressed one today at least numbers wise. Lets see how it all shakes out in February. No kicker either.
The line was awful last year, but the italent at RB was lacking big time last year too. I hope they get some young guns with some speed.
Quote from: valpofb16 on December 18, 2019, 09:04:24 PMBrock Johnson (FB from TX)
This guy appears to be a Fullback in name only. I looked at his highlights and he lined up in the backfield and ran the ball but didn't seem to play as a typical for these times fullback. More of an H-back or TE. He also appears too tall to be a true FB. Whatever he's called, his highlights indicate some ability.
New commit: Tyler Eberhart Baberton HS, Ohio. OL 6-2 235
Other offers: N/A
HS rank: 1337
Recruits by position:
QB:
RB: Robinson
WR:
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert
DL: Kessen, Folkestad
LB: Robbins, Bogans
DB: Day, Backes
With 11 offers for QB and no one committed they better hope Duncan stays! Anyone hear anything? Now he may have an OL.
My educated guess is they are doing their diligence with Duncan and are open to him coming back
I'm also guessing Duncan is in the transfer portal
I'm triple guessing that if Nick Turner, Jack Jarnigan found no love in the portal than neither will Chris
I am not guessing however via their film that these freshman OL will be an improvement NEXT YEAR.
Not necessarily recruiting news, but received confirmation that Kenny Brewer and Cam Kelly won't be returning. On the other hand Chris Duncan is returning for his 5th year to compete for the starting job
Quote from: ValpoFB60 on January 06, 2020, 07:48:14 PMOn the other hand Chris Duncan is returning for his 5th year to compete for the starting job
Does he have a girlfriend in school, job prospects in NW Indiana or is his family rich? Why? Hope it really means he has a deep love for Valpo.
Quote from: dcannon12 on January 06, 2020, 04:50:30 PM
With 11 offers for QB and no one committed they better hope Duncan stays! Anyone hear anything? Now he may have an OL.
By my last count we have offered at least 22 QB's with an additional 9 that are listed as QB/DB. Almost all of these are still unsigned..
Quote from: bbtds on January 06, 2020, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: ValpoFB60 on January 06, 2020, 07:48:14 PMOn the other hand Chris Duncan is returning for his 5th year to compete for the starting job
Does he have a girlfriend in school, job prospects in NW Indiana or is his family rich? Why? Hope it really means he has a deep love for Valpo.
I met his father at the USD game and his exact comment to me was that Chris absolutely loved Valpo.
Quote from: dcannon12 on January 06, 2020, 04:50:30 PM
With 11 offers for QB and no one committed they better hope Duncan stays! Anyone hear anything? Now he may have an OL.
Does this mean that Nimz, Ruszkowski and Salyers aren't even in the mix to be the starting QB?
I'm not sure how the other OB's are never saw them play. But I am not counting Chris out as the starter especially for North Dakota. No matter who starts he will be good for the team with his experience.
Yep, Duncan at lead just reflects Valpo's commitment to the bottom of the Sagarin poll. Let's not try to improve.
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 07, 2020, 11:27:37 AMYep, Duncan at lead just reflects Valpo's commitment to the bottom of the Sagarin poll. Let's not try to improve.
Ouch!
The post said he was to "compete" for the job. Maybe he's either improved or one of the other guys wins the job.
From what I've heard the staff is very high on Saylers but let's not get crazy Duncan is most likely the starter.
The staff had 0 reason to not let Nimz play if they thought he was the guy, and same with Saylers the last four games.
I'll take a 3 year starter back who loves the University at QB, even with his limitations.
Moral of the story the team is returning 60 some kids and bringing in 40-50 new faces. The team went 1-11 last year. All 22 jobs should be open.
The RB position is interesting. Seemed very very obvious that plan was to make the sure 3 seniors (more seniors at RB than any other single position unless I'm missing something) got ALL the reps in 2019. While, on the one hand, you'd assume that they player performing the best in practice would get the most game reps, I also have to wonder how important it is that kids who play all 4 years or come back for 5th (like Early) get rewarded with playing time. 3 seniors at RB in a 1-back offense leaves little opportunity for the younger guys to get in, unless they are dramatically better than the seniors.
That being said... Riley does seems to have trouble staying healthy. Did he finish the season in a boot on the sideline? Any update there?
Seemed like Haugh didn't do much long snapping at the start of the season, but was called into action when the other kid struggled. Any chance he wasn't in the LS picture early because he was competing for time at RB, but once it became clear that he was needed as an LS, the staff saw him more as a specialist?
I need to fire up the Googletron and check out both of their HS highlights...
You guys seem to blame Duncan for the poor season, if not for him what would the scores have been? Look at the team as a whole not just 1 player.
I'm sure you all watch college and pro football ( Brady's last play) lets not even start with Michigan! Lets hope Valpo gets skilled athletics and plays the most talented people. None of this moving on from the 5th years you want the wins. And lets gets a little better at play calling and using time outs when needed.
The best players should play, period. The problem is we need better best players, including at QB
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 07, 2020, 07:03:51 PMThe best players should play, period. The problem is we need better best players, including at QB
or best players playing better. Either way will help
No player should be entitled to start because of their love of the school or because they have been part of the team for awhile.
No one said anything about entitlement. How do we judge the "best player" stats? Well Duncan's are not bad. Judgement calls? Well that is a group decision in football most of the time that is why there are coaches. Football intelligence well that comes with experience. Physical ability? Yeah you have to be a good athletic at this level. Duncan is one of the best athletes on the team not my option fact look at his speed, footwork ect. You all know there was NO OL for him it seems you are looking for a quick fix hey lets get rid of the QB Valp had a terrible season. One thing I do agree no one has the stating job until the first game lets see the other QB's step it up. They must not have impressed in practice last year or they would have played them.
New commit K Mitchell Knotek 5'11 140 Trinity HS, no other offers
QB:
RB: Robinson
WR:
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert
DL: Kessen, Folkestad
LB: Robbins, Bogans
DB: Day, Backes
K: Knotek
Quote from: valpofb16 on January 08, 2020, 06:35:42 PM
New commit K Mitchell Knotek 5'11 140 Trinity HS, no other offers
From Garfield Hts. Ohio
PAT: 31-31
FG: 3-5
Also had an offer from Rose Hulman
Indyvalpo thanks for picking up slack I admittedly short changed that one
I was looking through some stats and saw interesting tidbits on Duncan (didn't want to start a new thread for this)
-He had 63 more pass attempts this season.
-He threw for almost 100 less yards
-4 more interceptions
-4 less touchdowns
BUT
He did triple is rushing yardage and touchdowns. i do not think we will have the OL to commit to a full RPO scheme but I think Duncan was coming into his own as a runner last year. Hopefully Limbach realizes this and implements it into his gameplan.
We missed this guy though he made the running list
Daniel Heinrich
OL
Indianapolis Roncalli
Franklin, IN
6-5 250
Other offer: Kentucky Wesleyan
Was recently named 4A First team OL
Perhaps we should move to the veer offense.
New commit DB Alex Carrillo 5'9 165 Nazareth Academy, Ill.
Other Offers: Truman State
HS National Rank: 238
QB:
RB: Robinson
WR:
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert
DL: Kessen, Folkestad
LB: Robbins, Bogans
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
New Commit: WR Tyler Blizzard 5'11 170 Woodgrove High School, VA.
Other Offers:
HS National Rank:3185
QB:
RB: Robinson
WR: Blizzard
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert
DL: Kessen, Folkestad
LB: Robbins, Bogans
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
New Commit: DL Trent Miller 6'1 220, Pine-Richland HS PA.
Other Offers: Butler University
HS National Rank:184!
QB:
RB: Robinson
WR: Blizzard
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
New Commit: Carter Woody 6'3 305 OL Charlotte Catholic, NC
Other Offers: Marist, Mars Hill, Catholic University
HS National Rank: 275
QB:
RB: Robinson
WR: Blizzard
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
this might be better in a different thread, but...
Anyone have any insight to how first couple of weeks of off-season training have gone? I'm optimistic that having a dedicated football S & C coach in place right when players returned from winter break will pay dividends later. I know it's early and recruiting gets the headlines this time of year, but I'd love to hear about the kind of start the returning players are off to. Bigger? Faster? Stronger? Leaders emerging? Did any transfers come in? Who are they?
I think Valpo needs to get out of the routine of redshirting freshmen if they are ready to play. Generally speaking, students would rather graduate in 4 years rather than 5 and not fork out cash for another year of tuition.
What routine?
Here's the problem.
Name of the game in the PFL is retention. Best teams in the league are always playing with RSSO-RSSRs. Valpo is a very transient school.
For one they demand three years in the dorms, a constantly increasing tuition rate, weather is a factor, football team performance is a factor. Redshirting is not the problem whatsoever.
Having classes of 50 turn into 18 numbers wise is the problem. Until Valpo gets a group of kids committed to staying and the program then things will improve. I would recommend keep going the JUCO route if possible to even out the age discrepancy.
How many of those that leave the team also leave the university?
If they all are transferring than yes it's a much bigger issue, but if they are just leaving the team what can be done to change that.
Quote from: crusader05 on January 22, 2020, 10:24:55 AM
How many of those that leave the team also leave the university?
If they all are transferring than yes it's a much bigger issue, but if they are just leaving the team what can be done to change that.
I think many just decide that the academic requirements are such that their best interests (getting passing to excellent grades and graduating on time) are best met without the practice, travel, weight room time constraints associated with being on the team. I doubt that many are transferring to other football teams.
I just think Valpo needs to quit redshirting players so much and play freshmen if they are capable. Redshirting at a nonscholarship school makes little sense as tuition is steep.
UscValpo to answer your question
I would have to pull up numbers but I would say a very limited amount of players quit the team and finish their 4-year degree at Valpo.
Some transfer for football, others transfer for school, some dropout or just don't finish school
Quote from: valpofb16 on January 22, 2020, 12:52:21 PM
UscValpo to answer your question
I would have to pull up numbers but I would say a very limited amount of players quit the team and finish their 4-year degree at Valpo.
Some transfer for football, others transfer for school, some dropout or just don't finish school
In 2001 to 2005 timeline that rate was pretty decent. I think I counted that around 12 football recruits were on the track team and graduated despite not continuing with football. Others were in fraternities, so at least our small sample size that percentage seemed fair.
New Commit: Darius Lane RB 5'10 180 Sherando HS, VA.
Other Offers:
HS National Rank: 3380
QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane
WR: Blizzard
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
Large increase in east coast kids this year
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 22, 2020, 12:46:17 PMI just think Valpo needs to quit redshirting players so much and play freshmen if they are capable. Redshirting at a nonscholarship school makes little sense as tuition is steep.
Where are you getting this from? Valpo probably intentionally redshirts players less than most programs if not all in the PFL.
JD24 he is probably pointing at the fact Valpo redshirted every freshman this past season besides WR Jacob Berkemeier. Now to discredit his point Berkemeier has already transferred and left the program. Like I said the problem isn't in redshirting. The problem lies in tuition, the school, and the program.
Quote from: valpofb16 on January 23, 2020, 07:00:55 AMJD24 he is probably pointing at the fact Valpo redshirted every freshman this past season besides WR Jacob Berkemeier. Now to discredit his point Berkemeier has already transferred and left the program. Like I said the problem isn't in redshirting. The problem lies in tuition, the school, and the program.
The question is are they redshirting freshman who can beat out the upper classmen or are they reshirting because they can't get on the field. I don't specifically know the answer to that question but last year's class was small anyway and I'm not sure who'd have played anyway.
He appears to be suggesting to solve a problem which doesn't appear to be one.
Any word on the QB/DB from East Noble HS in Kendallville, IN? He is a great athlete and I can't remember if he recently said that VU had offered him or had shown interest.
Quote from: valpo64 on January 23, 2020, 12:19:14 PMAny word on the QB/DB from East Noble HS in Kendallville, IN? He is a great athlete and I can't remember if he recently said that VU had offered him or had shown interest.
Valpo, Morehead St. Butler, St Francis, Sienna
New Commit: Michael Foggie LB 5'11 200 Mt. Carmel, ill.
Other Offers: Concordia, North Park, Denison
HS National Rank: 107!
QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane
WR: Blizzard
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
New Commit: Joey Richmond Glenbars West, I'll.
Other Offers: Rochester, Saint Thomas , Harding ,Davidson , Bowdoin, Tufts, Carleton College, Elmhurst College, Southern Illinois (PWO)
HS National Rank: 642
QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond
WR: Blizzard
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
New Commit: Brett Wetherington 6'0 205 Westbern Boone HS, Indiana
Other Offers:
HS National Rank: 996
QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond
WR: Blizzard
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
Shoutout Indyvalpo for helping me on this one
New Commit: Jon Stone 6'6 305 OL Frankenmuth, Mich.
Other Offers: Lawrence Tech
HS National Rank: 2765
QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond
WR: Blizzard
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
Oline numbers should not be a problem at least for a little while
Chase Bibler has transferred to Fresno City College
New Commit: Tytus Ragle WR 5'8 170 New Castle, IN
Other Offers: Indianapolis, Indiana Weslyan
HS National Rank: 7717
QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond
WR: Blizzard, Ragle
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
Quote from: valpofb16 on January 26, 2020, 05:57:42 PMNew Commit: Tytus Ragle WR 5'8 170 New Castle, IN
Andrew Cassara part II?
Big recruiting night people check me if I missed someone
New Commit: Joshua Becton 5'9 155 RB Schlagle HS, Kansas.
Other Offers: N/A
HS National Rank: 7893
NOTE: Played QB in HS, looks like a future RB and DB
QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
New Commit: Joshua Vargas 5'10 175 Safety Lincoln Way East, Ill.
Other Offers: Rockford, Saint Xavier, Robert Morris
HS National Rank: 70
QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas
K: Knotek
New Commit: Adam Mekky 6'1 195 OLB/Nickel Mount Prospect Ill.
Other Offers: Augustana, North Dakota (PWO)
HS National Rank: 1883
QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas
K: Knotek
New Commit: Keith Szczepanski 6'7 325 Notre Dame HS, NY.
Other Offers: Mercyhurst
HS National Rank: 6496
QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas
K: Knotek
New Commit: Charlie Maxwell 5'6 145 WR Osceola Grace, IN.
Other Offers: N/A
HS National Rank: 10812
QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas
K: Knotek
New Commit: Sam Hafner 6'2 215 LB De Pere HS, Wisc.
Other Offers: Bemidji State
HS National Rank: 7007
QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas
K: Knotek
New Commit: Garner Jones 5'10 165 Brentwood HS, Tennessee
Other Offers: Centre, Emory & Henry, Birmingham Southern, Rhodes,Kalamazoo, Lyons College, Maryville College
HS National Rank: 862
QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas
K: Knotek
Jalen Allen DB RSFR has left team, roster will look very different next season
New Commit: Lance Beck 6'1 205 QB Western Illinois RSFR in for spring
Other Offers: N/A
College Rank: 250
QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas
K: Knotek
New Commit: Marvin Rushing 5'10 176 DB Cass Tech. Mich.
Other Offers: Lake Erie, Morehead St, Butler, Oberlin, Albion
HS National Rank: 1572
QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing
K: Knotek
New Commit: Nick Price 6'0 220 DL Merrillville HS, Ind.
Other Offers: Robert Morris, Aurora
HS National Rank: 689
QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller, Price
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing
K: Knotek
Quote from: valpofb16 on January 28, 2020, 08:50:07 PMNew Commit: Lance Beck 6'1 205 QB Western Illinois RSFR in for spring Other Offers: N/A College Rank: 250
Does he have immediate eligibility?
FWIW...it appears he left the program prior to the end of the season.
Quote from: JD24 on January 28, 2020, 10:38:15 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on January 28, 2020, 08:50:07 PMNew Commit: Lance Beck 6'1 205 QB Western Illinois RSFR in for spring Other Offers: N/A College Rank: 250
Does he have immediate eligibility?
FWIW...it appears he left the program prior to the end of the season.
It appears he might have been totally misplaced at Western Illinois. I hope he can have a good career at Valpo.
Me too - Valpo needs decent talent, but the QB position is really lacking.
Transferring from scholarship to non scholarship means you are indeed eligible immediately. In terms of Beck it appears he was at Western Illinois, went back to a prep school, now lands here. Not sure he will compete for job over Duncan or Nimz, but he is an athlete, decent arm strength.
There is another transfer I am waiting on confirmation
New Commit: DJ Hutcherson DB 6'0 175 RSJR Howard University in for spring
NOTE: Played 5 games 2018, was off roster in 2019
Other Offers: N/A
College Rank (Massey): 428
QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller, Price
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing, Hutcherson
K: Knotek
At this point, a week before signing day. To assess the class would be unfair but here's where I am at with it. We brought in a QB to compete immediately it looks like, still would like another freshman or two. Will have a lot of RB's on roster. WR is underwhelming so far, think the staff is working on a few more. TEs were necessary as most likely losing Kluck & Bittner. OL numbers will be improved, talent is very top heavy. DL a lot of smaller guys from good schools, have not landed a DT yet. LB appear to have numbers but Annis and Peifer appear to be long term contributors there. DB's solid class here, losing Allen was huge. K Knotek appears to be in line to start from day 1, still looking for a transfer.
Fox's attrition rate has been much worse than expected and we could see anywhere from 50-60 new faces at 40 now with holes yet to fill
Quote from: valpofb16 on January 29, 2020, 08:03:47 AMFox's attrition rate has been much worse than expected and we could see anywhere from 50-60 new faces at 40 now with holes yet to fill
I'm not looking for any "gotcha" moment here but is there a general feeling as to why the attrition other than simply typical changeover when a staff changes?
More recruits will post them tonight.
As for Fox, one aspect is he only recruited about 15 players on the roster, another is he is a demanding coach both on and off the field.
Quite different than Cecchini who ran it more like a business.
I have also heard that he has high expectations for players not just on the field but also behaviorally and academically and the intensity of his practices and expectations leapfrogs Dave's by a lot.
Sorry - right now, I would take Cecchini as a head coach over Fox based on performance. There is nothing wrong having business like sense in leading the team - it has worked for a lot of successful coaches such as Saban and Meyer. Cecchini had a winning season at Valpo, which is a miracle and was Pioneer COY. Fox is learning and hopefully he will get there.
Cecchini would not have had a winning season last year with the players available. Went 2-8 with a team that graduated 7 seniors from a 6 win team.
People who will argue players transferred between '17 and '18. Thats on coach to keep them involved.
Fox had 4 additional games with a 1 TD score, with a roster that wasn't his, and the best defense put together since 2007
Cecchini had to take over the Osteen mess, and he also had to deal with an injured Jimmy Seewald his final year. He was a Pioneer COY and has a winning record and he moved on to a better job. Fox is not even close credential wise but he is learning and can prove it.
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 30, 2020, 11:36:32 AMCecchini had to take over the Osteen mess, and he also had to deal with an injured Jimmy Seewald his final year. He was a Pioneer COY and has a winning record and he moved on to a better job. Fox is not even close credential wise but he is learning and can prove it.
If anything was embarrassing to the program post "Osteen", it was Cecchini's final season. That should never have happened. While I don't know if Fox will be, long term any better and neither do you, I'd hold off on the "I'll take this guy over that guy" opinions for the time being.
I really haven't followed VU prior to about this time last year. It was about that time that I started reading about recruiting for 2019, end of 2018 season, etc. so I don't have nearly the context that all of you have. Carlson? Osteen? No idea.
However, at quick glance, Cecchini was 4-8 and 1-9 in his 1st two seasons and 2-9 again in his last. He's won more than 4 games only 1x in his career, including 2019 at Bucknell. Seems kinda early to compare Fox to Cecchini. At this time last year, Fox hadn't even been hired, the football S & C coach had been fired/moved on/whatever, and Cecchini and staff were clearly more concerned with potential moves to Lehigh and then Bucknell than recruiting future Crusaders.
Clearly 1-11 is not acceptable, but probably should hold off until this time next year or maybe even year 3 before we really know who has done the better job.
JD24 - please read the first 2 words of the message - "right now": I am implying as of today, Cecchini was/is a better coach. fox has a lot of learning.
16 - the Osteen reference is to Carlson, who would quote his crap to inspire his team and fans to a career 3-41 record.
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 30, 2020, 06:36:08 PMJD24 - please read the first 2 words of the message - "right now": I am implying as of today, Cecchini was/is a better coach. fox has a lot of learning.
Is he? He went 4-8 with another coaches recruits. 1-9 in year two when those recruits moved on and eventually had a winning record before completely cratering in his final year as he slinked away from the program leaving nothing for the next guy.
Fox shows up a week before spring ball, has no time to recruit or put together a staff and is stuck dealing with typical attrition and the same QB you referenced being injured as an excuse for Cecchini isn't factored in your analysis of Fox.
There isn't anything much which shows either coach to be any better than the other.
You can say he or both are better than Carlson.
jD24 - fair enough, but he did have a winning season at Valpo and was COY. Right now Fox is learning, and I think that is about all you can say after a 1-11 season with little talent. Carlson was probably the worst coach In Valpo football history.
Quote from: valpofb16 on January 29, 2020, 08:03:47 AM
Fox's attrition rate has been much worse than expected and we could see anywhere from 50-60 new faces at 40 now with holes yet to fill
Have we really lost that many?
Based on what has been posted we lost Russell and McKeag to injures plus Ruszkowski, Brewer, Berkmeier, Biblee, Kelly and Allen for a total of 8. Are there a bunch of additional?
In terms of the Cecchini take over, that team was really upper class men heavy. Roughly 60-70 RSSO-RSSR. Carlson really retained the classes of 2011 and 2012 which lead to an older team. Also massive respect but once we got a football S&C guy in Rouse numbers improved dramatically. What happened in 2015 with Cecchini is that the 2013 and 2011 class were essentially gone, thus leading to about 25 seniors, a mix of juniors and sophomores, then 60 freshman
New Commit: Connor Milks 6'4 190 WR Pope John XXXIII HS, NJ
NOTE: Team went 1-10 and was still top 4,000. Must be very high competition
Other Offers: Assumption, Pace, Fordham
HS National Rank: 3791
QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones, Milks
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller, Price
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing, Hutcherson
K: Knotek
New Commit: Dalton Guthrie 6'0 190 RB South Dearborn HS, IN.
Other Offers:
HS National Rank: 6881
QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton, Guthrie
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones, Milks
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller, Price
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing, Hutcherson
K: Knotek
New Commit: Cameron Livingston 6'0 185 WR Leo HS, IN.
Other Offers: St. Francis
HS National Rank: 2390
QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton, Guthrie
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones, Milks, Livingston
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller, Price
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing, Hutcherson
K: Knotek
We should also be cognizant that if a Valpo head coach is successful, he will eventually leave for a better, higher paying job. I cannot blame Cecchini for leaving for a better job - better conference, more pay - just like any of us when a better job opportunity is available. When Cecchini was hired, most of us on this board knew this was a stepping stone and not a permanent job. I think Cecchini inherited a mess and did very well. In his final year there was a void at QB (hey, just like this past season!). But also, he likely had some alterior motives in his final season leading to his departure. Another criticism of Cecchini is that he left the football program with loose ends where the transition has been painful - not a good indicator of leadership.
As for Fox, we cannot evaluate his performance yet. Limited recruiting, pretty bare cupboard - this recruiting year is critical. My concern is not Fox, but the overall apathy of the university, students and alums toward the football program.
Cecchini certainly righted the ship but appears to have spent his final year preparing to move on. They definitely mailed it in recruiting last year. In the end he left the situation not much better than he inherited.
But he landed himself and a couple of assistants better jobs.
Wetherington has decommitted, going to Indiana University as a PWO
Have some new recruits to post, will be tomorrow
QuoteWe should also be cognizant that if a Valpo head coach is successful, he will eventually leave for a better, higher paying job.
The number of programs at every level of college ball which don't have to have the same cognizant ability within their fans is very, very small.
Quote from: usc4valpo on February 01, 2020, 09:10:24 AMAs for Fox, we cannot evaluate his performance yet. Limited recruiting, pretty bare cupboard - this recruiting year is critical.
This is absolutely true.
So why do you repeatedly attempt to compare him to another coach?
Just bizarre.
Glad to see a couple of WRs with some size. Couple of pretty small guys had committed. While it is possible that they are Cassara part II, I think the odds are against it.
24, I will bag the comparison discussion, and I can be bizarre. I guess when folks on this board have an issue of coaching a football team like business, I tend to disagree. You need to figure out what works best as a whole. There should be nothing negative is using this approach.
New Commit: Luke Patterson 6'0 170 WR Valparaiso HS, IND
Other Offers: N/A
HS National Rank: 371
QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton, Guthrie
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones, Milks, Livingston, Patterson
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller, Price
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing, Hutcherson
K: Knotek
New Commit: Joshua Gholston DB 6'1 170 Blacksburg HS, Virginia
Other Offers: N/A
HS National Rank: 3692
QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton, Guthrie
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones, Milks, Livingston, Patterson
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller, Price
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing, Hutcherson, Gholston
K: Knotek
New Commit: Trey Hayes 5'9 180 WR Dominion HS, Virginia
Other Offers: West Virginia State, West Liberty, Saint Francis (PA)
HS National Rank: 6559
QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton, Guthrie
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones, Milks, Livingston, Patterson, Hayes
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller, Price
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing, Hutcherson, Gholston
K: Knotek
New Commit: James Doerer 6'2 210 Gross Pointe South, Mich.
Other Offers: Bates, Oberlin, Denison
HS National Rank: 1916
QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton, Guthrie
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones, Milks, Livingston, Patterson, Hayes
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller, Price
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Mekky, Hafner, Doerer
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing, Hutcherson, Gholston
K: Knotek
Signing day 2/3 , expect a lot to be announced today, should be a few guys who were on bubble who are added on
Still no word on a HS QB incoming. I know we lost the one that visited to Gannon. Right now there are 4 on roster. Don't think the staff should sign one just to have one. 4 should get them through season
Quote from: JD24 on December 21, 2019, 02:55:50 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on December 18, 2019, 09:04:24 PMBrock Johnson (FB from TX)
This guy appears to be a Fullback in name only. I looked at his highlights and he lined up in the backfield and ran the ball but didn't seem to play as a typical for these times fullback. More of an H-back or TE. He also appears too tall to be a true FB. Whatever he's called, his highlights indicate some ability.
This guy signed with UTPB University of Texas P......Basin
All of the other previously listed recruits have signed except no mention of the 2 FCS transfer. Also added at least 5 additional.
Permian
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I have seen a few new signings trickle in:
Noah Carlton, K Chino Hills CA
Thomas Palmer DL Saco, ME
Jacob Cleaver DB no other info
I think this may be our first kid from Maine.
Jacob Cleaver, grandson of Theodore? Perhaps he wants to get away from Uncle Eddie...
Quote from: usc4valpo on April 09, 2020, 10:56:13 AM
Jacob Cleaver, grandson of Theodore? Perhaps he wants to get away from Uncle Eddie...
(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/q8F1AVln4_o/hqdefault.jpg)
So, Wally, my grandson, Jacob, is going to play football at Valpo in Indiana.
Gee, Beav, that's great, but will they beat Butler this year?
New Transfer:
Anthony Sciarroni from D2 Alderson Broaduss University. St. Francis HS
WR/DB, 6'0 190
Will come in as a RSSO.
Other offer was Urbana
New recruit: DB Dayvonne Greenwood Contra Costa College 5-11 205:
HS: Vallejo, California
Measurements: 5-11 205
Will be a Junior coming in, chose Valpo overs several NAIA, D2 offers
Interesting story here:
https://www.timesheraldonline.com/2020/06/13/vallejo-high-graduate-dayvonne-greenwood-signs-letter-with-valparaiso-university/
I read the story - Nice, but I get tired of hearing Valpo being compared to Ivy League schools. Valpo is a decent school, but let's not overinflate ourselves.
Quote from: usc4valpo on June 14, 2020, 06:54:50 PM
I read the story - Nice, but I get tired of hearing Valpo being compared to Ivy League schools. Valpo is a decent school, but let's not overinflate ourselves.
Valpo's been doing this since the Henry Baker Brown years. "The Harvard of the Midwest."
According to this story Washington U St Louis is "the Harvard of the Midwest."
https://www.studlife.com/archives/Forum/2006/12/06/SowhichschoolistherealHarvardoftheMidwest/
Valpo doesn't even get a mention but at the time of HBB Valpo was the second largest school next to Harvard in an era when less than 2% of the population went to college.
OK, I respect history from 120 years ago. Washington U academically is close to Ivy League. Valpo is a decent school - believe what you want but is not close to being Ivy League.
Quote from: usc4valpo on June 15, 2020, 05:34:03 AM
OK, I respect history from 120 years ago. Washington U academically is close to Ivy League. Valpo is a decent school - believe what you want but is not close to being Ivy League.
Not sure why you feel that way. Much of the academic reputation of schools in the Ivy are based on faculty who write books but seldom teach. Valpo has an undergrad engineering school ranked in the top 15 nationally. Their Business and Nursing colleges are top flight. Graduates from Christ College can get into any graduate program they want."Decent" in not even close.
Quote from: vu72 on June 15, 2020, 08:28:56 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on June 15, 2020, 05:34:03 AM
OK, I respect history from 120 years ago. Washington U academically is close to Ivy League. Valpo is a decent school - believe what you want but is not close to being Ivy League.
Not sure why you feel that way. Much of the academic reputation of schools in the Ivy are based on faculty who write books but seldom teach. Valpo has an undergrad engineering school ranked in the top 15 nationally. Their Business and Nursing colleges are top flight. Graduates from Christ College can get into any graduate program they want."Decent" in not even close.
At my company, I interact with a lot of folks that graduated from an Ivy League school. I am in no way in awe of their superior intellect, or demonstrable knowledge/experience, due to their Ivy League background. Very smart folks, but the gap is not as large as you think...
As an engineer, some of the best engineers I have worked with went to MIT. Also, some if the worst engineers I have worked with went to MIT.
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At my company, I interact with a lot of folks that graduated from an Ivy League school. I am in no way in awe of their superior intellect, or demonstrable knowledge/experience, due to their Ivy League background. Very smart folks, but the gap is not as large as you think...
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After graduating from VU undergrad, I went to law school at NYU, where roughly 1/3 of my classmates had gone to Ivies. I held my own there, but I always felt insecure about my own collegiate preparation. Not until I returned to NYU after years in practice as an entry-level instructor in its first-year legal skills program did I understand that my VU liberal arts training -- especially the extensive writing work done for courses -- prepared me well for the rigors of law school. It was a revelation to review the written assignments of 1L students and see that a good number of those from tonier undergraduate schools were not necessarily the best writers and analysts.
Don't get me wrong, some were absolutely brilliant and probably could've practiced law successfully with one year of law school under their belts. But those qualities were far from universal. Most had to learn from the ground up and work hard to get up to speed, like the rest of us.
The initial roster is out:
Original recruits not listed OL Mason Fortner (OH) who is going to Mount Union and RB Joey Richmond (IL).
We added Nick Stewart RB a transfer from Mercyhurst, Jadarias Horton a JC DB from Souhwestern Kan. OL Jeremiah Orr (SC) and LB Preston Rudd (IL)
Quote from: IndyValpo on July 05, 2020, 11:56:16 AM
The initial roster is out:
Original recruits not listed OL Mason Fortner (OH) who is going to Mount Union and RB Joey Richmond (IL).
We added Nick Stewart RB a transfer from Mercyhurst, Jadarias Horton a JC DB from Souhwestern Kan. OL Jeremiah Orr (SC) and LB Preston Rudd (IL)
Don't know if any of them can play, but Valpo's national draw continues to be impressive. Current roster has players from 22 states, including Alaska and Maine! Freshman hail from 18 different states.
Richmond ended up at Dartmouth, can't blame the kid
With the Ivies voting today on whether to move Football...and maybe all Fall sports...to Jan 2021, I wonder if the PFL and possibly the rest of the college world follows suit at some point if not immediately. That is, of course, if the Ivy League votes to move.
We still don't have a schedule posted.... Thinking the season is far from guaranteed
Based on the Ivy League, I feel confident that Valpo football will go undefeated in 2020.
Derek Byrd (Brother of Aaron Byrd) has decommitted and will be attending Culver Stockton
Quote from: valpofb16 on July 16, 2020, 08:51:04 AM
Derek Byrd (Brother of Aaron Byrd) has decommitted and will be attending Culver Stockton
Disappointing but we added 11 other Freshmen OL. He probably counted bodies and realized it might be tough to get on the field.