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Title: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: VULB#62 on November 08, 2019, 08:21:24 PM
Copied this off the PFL forum site. Interesting. Wonder how that got out there.

http://pflfan.proboards.com/thread/3666/recruiting-soon-resume

At least now I know what an official offer from Valpo looks like.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on November 08, 2019, 08:26:35 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 08, 2019, 08:21:24 PM
Copied this off the PFL forum site. Interesting. Wonder how that got out there.

http://pflfan.proboards.com/thread/3666/recruiting-soon-resume

At least now I know what an official offer from Valpo looks like.
These are out on Twitter quite often
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on November 08, 2019, 10:20:03 PM
Question:

"I and my coaching staff...."

Is that sentence correct or is it just awkwardly written? I would think "My coach staff and I..." would be better. I don't recall seeing a sentence written that way and I don't think people would speak in that fashion.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on November 09, 2019, 09:37:54 AM
It sounds like several people should pay attention to Wierd Al Yankovik's "Word Crimes" video.

Valpo needs lots of talent and we need some good salesmen to escalate this program. 2 win seasons is unacceptable.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on November 15, 2019, 05:58:17 AM
#62 had a thread with a commit already.

That being said wow, we have 15 people in the football offices and nobody catches that typo in the first sentence.

Yikes
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on November 15, 2019, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: JD24 on November 08, 2019, 10:20:03 PM
Question:

"I and my coaching staff...."

Is that sentence correct or is it just awkwardly written? I would think "My coach staff and I..." would be better. I don't recall seeing a sentence written that way and I don't think people would speak in that fashion.
I am not an English expert nor do I play one on TV but the internet which we all know is always correct indicates that the sentence is grammatically correct.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: VULB#62 on November 15, 2019, 12:49:04 PM
I think Fox could have worded it better. I think what he meant to express was "I, along with my coaching staff, ......"   but it's not really worth prolonging this element of the recruitment thread.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on November 15, 2019, 04:58:20 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on November 15, 2019, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: JD24 on November 08, 2019, 10:20:03 PMQuestion: "I and my coaching staff...." Is that sentence correct or is it just awkwardly written? I would think "My coach staff and I..." would be better. I don't recall seeing a sentence written that way and I don't think people would speak in that fashion.
I am not an English expert nor do I play one on TV but the internet which we all know is always correct indicates that the sentence is grammatically correct.
Yeah. My comment was less that it wasn't gramatically correct and more that the phrasing just seems awkward. I can't recall anyone speaking in this manner and sometimes there are geographical differences in how words and phrasing are used.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: vu72 on November 15, 2019, 09:08:19 PM
Quote from: JD24 on November 15, 2019, 04:58:20 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on November 15, 2019, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: JD24 on November 08, 2019, 10:20:03 PMQuestion: "I and my coaching staff...." Is that sentence correct or is it just awkwardly written? I would think "My coach staff and I..." would be better. I don't recall seeing a sentence written that way and I don't think people would speak in that fashion.
I am not an English expert nor do I play one on TV but the internet which we all know is always correct indicates that the sentence is grammatically correct.
Yeah. My comment was less that it wasn't gramatically correct and more that the phrasing just seems awkward. I can't recall anyone speaking in this manner and sometimes there are geographical differences in how words and phrasing are used.

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This why the Valpo forum is so unique.  Do you know of any, or have you ever heard of, a fan forum debating grammar? Only at Valpo!!  :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: bbtds on November 16, 2019, 09:26:44 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on November 15, 2019, 12:49:04 PM
I think Fox could have worded it better. I think what he meant to express was "I, along with my coaching staff, ......"   but it's not really worth prolonging this element of the recruitment thread.

Agree, doesn't seem to have any effect at all when you correct anyone especially if they can blame it on auto correct.

Agree, no MORE prolonging the thread in this way.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on November 17, 2019, 08:07:14 AM
New commit: Derek Byrd 6'5 312 offensive tackle, Bourbannais, ILL

Brother of RT Aaron Byrd

Other offers: Culver Stockton, Concordia, Oliver Nazarene

Team National Rank: 3589

Brings class to two
S-Dom Backes 5'11 190
OT-Derek Byrd 6'5 312
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on November 17, 2019, 07:01:26 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on November 17, 2019, 08:07:14 AM
New commit: Derek Byrd 6'5 312 offensive tackle, Bourbannais, ILL

Brother of RT Aaron Byrd

Other offers: Culver Stockton, Concordia, Oliver Nazarene

Team National Rank: 3589

Brings class to two
S-Dom Backes 5'11 190
OT-Derek Byrd 6'5 312
First OL of many to be signed. I have to believe that we will be looking JUCO for some immediate depth.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on November 18, 2019, 08:32:02 AM
IndyValpo agreed but JUCO may be hardest sell for Valpo

Most kids go JUCO because they didn't have grades or though they deserved a scholarship

Valpo is actually the inverse of this as you need grades and no scholarship
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on November 20, 2019, 07:54:01 AM
Quote from: valpofb16 on November 18, 2019, 08:32:02 AM
IndyValpo agreed but JUCO may be hardest sell for Valpo

Most kids go JUCO because they didn't have grades or though they deserved a scholarship

Valpo is actually the inverse of this as you need grades and no scholarship
Agreed though it will not be for lack of trying as we have offered 4 JC OL this week.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on November 24, 2019, 12:11:54 PM
This will be the most important recruiting class in the Fox era. It will be interesting to see how big the class will be.
We need probably at least 10 on the OL. As I mentioned previously we have multiple JUCO offers made.
Recruiting at this level is fascinating. To date we offers out to over 250 to land 30-40 players.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on November 24, 2019, 12:14:36 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on November 24, 2019, 12:11:54 PMThis will be the most important recruiting class in the Fox era. It will be interesting to see how big the class will be. We need probably at least 10 on the OL. As I mentioned previously we have multiple JUCO offers made. Recruiting at this level is fascinating. To date we offers out to over 250 to land 30-40 players.
Wouldn't it be closer to 50? I thought the overall numbers were down on the roster due to graduation and attrition.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: covufan on November 24, 2019, 10:20:42 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on November 24, 2019, 12:11:54 PM
This will be the most important recruiting class in the Fox era. It will be interesting to see how big the class will be.
We need probably at least 10 on the OL. As I mentioned previously we have multiple JUCO offers made.
Recruiting at this level is fascinating. To date we offers out to over 250 to land 30-40 players.
I don't know why this is the most important recruiting class of the Fox era, other than it is the first that he and his staff have been involved throughout the whole recruiting year. Important yes. Retaining players that will impact the two deep roster, getting a few impactful recruits on each side of the ball, and finding players that will take a year or two to develop should be all that is expected


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Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on November 25, 2019, 12:52:22 PM
89 kids on roster 18 seniors 71/110 spots are filled theoretically

I agree with the above post retention is a necessity to compete consistently. I also agree we need OL bad.

With two recruits committed and 71 set to return appears we have 37 roster spots as of this second. Will know more when we get another spring roster
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on November 25, 2019, 05:07:59 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on November 25, 2019, 12:52:22 PM89 kids on roster 18 seniors 71/110 spots are filled theoretically I agree with the above post retention is a necessity to compete consistently. I also agree we need OL bad. With two recruits committed and 71 set to return appears we have 37 roster spots as of this second. Will know more when we get another spring roster
So that means 39 open spots at the moment and there will be some attrition even if it is or maybe because it is players who aren't really counted on at the moment. It would be remarkable if there isn't some attrition. So would you figure 45 recruits to fill out the roster?
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on December 07, 2019, 02:44:57 PM
Recruits on campus this weekend.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on December 08, 2019, 11:33:51 AM
Indyvalpo can concur

Two official visit weekends in December, Three in January.

Right now looking at a class in the low 40's in numbers. If we are somewhere in the mid 20's at signing day I will be happy.

Seems to be a trend but about 1/3 of our recruits come after signing day. Will probably not know roster until August
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on December 09, 2019, 07:09:08 PM
New commit: Landon Robbins 6'0 220 Columbus North, IN

Other Offers: Olivet Nazarene , Rose Hulman

Team National Rank: 2244


Commits:

DB-Backes
OL-Byrd
LB-Robbins
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on December 09, 2019, 07:41:46 PM
New Commit: Sean Carpenter OL 6'5 280
Fenwick, Illinois

Other offers: N/A

National Rank: 2874

Commits:

DB-Backes
OL-Byrd
OL-Carpenter
LB-Robbins
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on December 09, 2019, 10:31:28 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on December 09, 2019, 07:09:08 PMNew commit: Landon Robbins 6'0 220 Columbus North, IN
Had to be the name.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on December 10, 2019, 01:40:10 PM
New Commit: DE Chase Folkestad 6'1 230 O'Connor HS, Phoenix, AZ

Other Offers: Southwest Baptist, Minnesota Crookston, Saint Anslem, Western Colorado, Pacific, Fort Lewis

HS National Rank: 2335

Commits:
OL-Carpenter
OL-Byrd
DE-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
DB- Backes

Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on December 10, 2019, 02:23:55 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on December 10, 2019, 01:40:10 PM
New Commit: DE Chase Folkestad 6'1 230 O'Connor HS, Phoenix, AZ

Other Offers: Southwest Baptist, Minnesota Crookston, Saint Anslem, Western Colorado, Pacific, Fort Lewis

HS National Rank: 2335

Commits:
OL-Carpenter
OL-Byrd
DE-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
DB- Backes


Glad he didn't pick Minn-Crookston. They along with St Cloud State are dropping football.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on December 11, 2019, 07:10:37 AM
New Commit: OL Mason Fortner Wadworth HS, OHIO. 6-2 270.

Other offers: Urbana University, Tiffin, Siena Heights, Ohio Dominican

HS National Rank: 890

Played LT in HS. Recruits landing a lot faster this year than usual. Also quality of schools going up as we have recruited 1 kid outside the top 3000

Commits:
OL-Byrd
OL-Carpenter
OL-Fortner
DE-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
DB- Backes
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on December 11, 2019, 08:14:37 AM
New Commit: Andrew Covert OL Gabriel Richard HS, Mich. 6-8 325.

Played RT in HS, teammate of the Hebdas

Other Offers: Lawrence Tech, Madonna College, Concordia University

HS National Rank: 8608

OL size is definitely improved, will be young. Also last few commits have passed up D2 offers for non scholly PFL

Commits:
OL-Byrd
OL-Carpenter
OL-Fortner
OL-Covert
DL-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
DB-Backes
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on December 11, 2019, 08:18:10 AM
Quote from: valpofb16 on December 11, 2019, 07:10:37 AM
New Commit: OL Mason Fortner Wadworth HS, OHIO. 6-2 270.

Other offers: Urbana University, Tiffin, Siena Heights, Ohio Dominican

HS National Rank: 890

Played LT in HS. Recruits landing a lot faster this year than usual. Also quality of schools going up as we have recruited 1 kid outside the top 3000

Commits:
OL-Byrd
OL-Carpenter
OL-Fortner
DE-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
DB- Backes

I was trying to put some context in the recruiting ratings. If the website I found is accurate there are:
FBS 125 schools
FCS 129
D2 169
D3 250
NAIA 96

So not counting JC there are 769 schools playing football. 423 are D2 or higher meaning if each of those schools adds 20 that's over 8,400.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on December 11, 2019, 08:22:47 AM
The ratings posted are their HS football teams national ranking according to maxpreps.

If the numbers you ran were correct, us getting heavy contributing players from top 3,000 schools is impressive with non scholarship football.

Fox's familiarity with the Midwest seems to be planning out early.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on December 11, 2019, 05:20:06 PM
New Commit: Kurt Kessen Utica HS, Mich. ATH 6'3 230

Played H, TE, and DE in HS, projects as a DE or H in college, something we don't have currently

Other offers: N/A

HS National Rank: 6165

Commits:
ATH- Kessen
OL- Byrd
OL- Carpenter
OL- Fortner
OL- Covert
DL- Folkestad
LB- Robbins
DB- Backes

That is 8 commits early December, all good sized kids from the Midwest
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on December 11, 2019, 05:39:50 PM
New Commit: Brian Robinson Mallard Creek HS, North Carolina. RB 5'8 185

2nd leading rusher on team, 5.4 per carry, can catch out of backfield too

Other Offers: N/A

HS National Rank: 110!

Commits:
ATH-Kessen
RB-Robinson
OL-Byrd
OL-Carpenter
OL-Fortner
OL-Covert
DL-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
DB-Backes

9! In December! Wow
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on December 11, 2019, 10:02:57 PM
Roster news

Ruszkowski quit, was 5th string QB for most the season.

Russell and McKeag are done playing both related to injury. Russell horrific leg injury and McKeag nagging ones dating back to last season

Berkemeier quit which was a bit of a head scratcher, was only freshman not to RS
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on December 12, 2019, 11:12:54 AM
Quote from: valpofb16 on December 11, 2019, 10:02:57 PM
Roster news

Ruszkowski quit, was 5th string QB for most the season.

Russell and McKeag are done playing both related to injury. Russell horrific leg injury and McKeag nagging ones dating back to last season

Berkemeier quit which was a bit of a head scratcher, was only freshman not to RS
So Ruzskowski was ahead of Salyers meaning we only have #4 and #6 returning.

Obviously QB is a recruiting need. I know we had in home visits with a Ty Poorman from Florida and Bailey Parker who played at East Noble near Fort Wayne this week.

Parker has among other offers a PWO with IU.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on December 12, 2019, 11:31:20 AM
My apologies Rusz was behind Saylers.

Would be shocked to see a true Fr be the starter at QB next season. However they have 4 games to work with per FR.

Staff really likes Saylers and thinks he's the future. Nimz gets his shot too both come from winning programs.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpo64 on December 12, 2019, 11:53:11 AM
The Bailey Parker kid form East Noble H S, Kendallville, IN(just north of FW) also is a strong defensive backfield guy/safety who has commanded interest  for his defends.  He is a good athlete and was a very good QB.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on December 13, 2019, 07:46:15 AM
Quote from: valpofb16 on December 12, 2019, 11:31:20 AM

Would be shocked to see a true Fr be the starter at QB next season. However they have 4 games to work with per FR.

Agreed however having 2-3 QB's get hurt in not unusual for us.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on December 13, 2019, 12:31:37 PM
New Commit: Zykee Bogan Houston County HS, Georgia 5-10 180 OLB

Will Play the CRU Position coming in next year, also could play safety

Other Offers: Jacksonville University (PFL Win!), Hanover, Avila University, Clarke University, Lawrence University, Southwest Minnesota State, Rockford

HS National Rank: 1031

Commits:
RB-Robinson
TE-Kessen
OL-Byrd
OL-Carpenter
OL-Fortner
OL-Covert
DL-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
OLB-Bogan
DB-Backes

Note: Kessen appears to be recruited at the TE position.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: vu72 on December 13, 2019, 03:08:22 PM
Valpo's national draw continues to amaze me.  We already have commits from seven different states.   :clap: :clap: :clap:
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: bbtds on December 13, 2019, 05:43:06 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on December 13, 2019, 12:31:37 PMOther Offers: Jacksonville University (PFL Win!), Hanover, Avila University, Clarke University, Lawrence University, Southwest Minnesota State, Rockford

Maybe the fact that Jacksonville is dropping their football team has a lot to do with Valpo beating them out for this recruit.  ;)
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on December 14, 2019, 11:26:01 AM
North Dakota, North Dakota State(!!!), Illinois State for the games we hope most of the players return to campus in a state of some sort of marginal mobility for '20, '21 and '22 respectively. That's 3 2019 playoff teams including the No. 1 FCS team. North Dakota State and Illinois State are playing each other today.

For the lesser thrashing for '20 it's CCSU again in CT. Another FCS playoff team in 2019. Then home and home vs. Dartmouth for '21 and '22. Dartmouth was Ivy League championship this year and only lost a close one to Cornell which really wasn't all that great this year. Dartmouth opened with Jacksonville this year and beat the dead program 35-6. For '23 and '24 it will be St. Francis(PA) which could be an easier matchup and potentially a winable game.

http://www.valpoathletics.com/football/news/2019-20/19576/valpo-football-announces-future-nonconference-games/
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpotx on December 14, 2019, 07:14:40 PM
Fox is definitely being aggressive in scheduling.  I like it!
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on December 16, 2019, 01:10:29 PM
New Commit: Jake Vickers, Canton HS Mich. TE 6'3 240

Other Offers: Lawrence Tech

HS National Rank: 3628

Commits:
RB-Robinson
TE-Kessen
TE-Vickers
OL-Byrd
OL-Carpenter
OL-Fortner
OL-Covert
DL-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
OLB-Bogan
DB-Backes
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on December 18, 2019, 07:50:14 AM
New Commit: Nolan Garrard, Niles HS. Mich, OL 6'8 305

Other Offers: Aurora (Ill.), St. Norbert

HS National Rank: 9394

Commits:
RB-Robinson
TE-Kessen
TE-Vickers
OL-Byrd
OL-Carpenter
OL-Fortner
OL-Covert
OL-Garrard
DL-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
OLB-Bogan
DB-Backes
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on December 18, 2019, 08:44:07 AM
New Commit: Preston Evans Perrysburg HS, Ohio 6'2 215 TE

Other Offers: N/A (Bowling Green, Toledo Visits)

HS National Rank: 1598
Commits:
RB-Robinson
TE-Kessen
TE-Vickers
TE-Evans
OL-Byrd
OL-Carpenter
OL-Fortner
OL-Covert
OL-Garrard
DL-Folkestad
LB-Robbins
OLB-Bogan
DB-Backes
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: ValpoFB60 on December 18, 2019, 03:23:18 PM
Hate to see that most of these guys don't have any other competitive offers. Doesn't bode well for the future
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpotx on December 18, 2019, 07:44:01 PM
Holy crap, we signed some OL beef today!  Fox is obviously trying to get some massive OL, probably with the hopes that he can develop some under-the-radar guys.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on December 18, 2019, 09:04:24 PM
Added a ton of size at OL and TE today. Had no ability to run ball last year and it starts up front. Looks like they've taken raw large student focused athletes with hopes or retention and development.

A few notes from signing day.

1. We gained another DB (JUCO Christian Day from PA) and Brock Johnson (FB from TX)
2. Bogans, Robinson are signing after dead period
3. Fortner looks ready to go.
4. Still roughly 30 spots available.
5. No QBs, only 2 for spring. Chick had one year where Clarke was the only spring QB. Could be similar.

Overall hard to judge class because it's 2/3 not completed. From the team last season WR, QB, OL,DB we're our biggest concerns moving forward. We addressed one today at least numbers wise. Lets see how it all shakes out in February. No kicker either.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on December 19, 2019, 10:49:59 AM
The line was awful last year, but the italent at RB was lacking big time last year too. I hope they get some young guns with some speed.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on December 21, 2019, 02:55:50 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on December 18, 2019, 09:04:24 PMBrock Johnson (FB from TX)
This guy appears to be a Fullback in name only. I looked at his highlights and he lined up in the backfield and ran the ball but didn't seem to play as a typical for these times fullback. More of an H-back or TE. He also appears too tall to be a true FB. Whatever he's called, his highlights indicate some ability.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 04, 2020, 02:09:28 PM
New commit: Tyler Eberhart Baberton HS, Ohio. OL 6-2 235

Other offers: N/A

HS rank: 1337

Recruits by position:
QB:
RB: Robinson
WR:
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert
DL: Kessen, Folkestad
LB: Robbins, Bogans
DB: Day, Backes
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: dcannon12 on January 06, 2020, 04:50:30 PM
With 11 offers for QB and no one committed they better hope Duncan stays! Anyone hear anything? Now he may have an OL. 
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 06, 2020, 06:41:12 PM
My educated guess is they are doing their diligence with Duncan and are open to him coming back

I'm also guessing Duncan is in the transfer portal

I'm triple guessing that if Nick Turner, Jack Jarnigan found no love in the portal than neither will Chris

I am not guessing however via their film that these freshman OL will be an improvement NEXT YEAR.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: ValpoFB60 on January 06, 2020, 07:48:14 PM
Not necessarily recruiting news, but received confirmation that Kenny Brewer and Cam Kelly won't be returning. On the other hand Chris Duncan is returning for his 5th year to compete for the starting job
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: bbtds on January 06, 2020, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: ValpoFB60 on January 06, 2020, 07:48:14 PMOn the other hand Chris Duncan is returning for his 5th year to compete for the starting job

Does he have a girlfriend in school, job prospects in NW Indiana or is his family rich? Why? Hope it really means he has a deep love for Valpo.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on January 07, 2020, 08:04:25 AM
Quote from: dcannon12 on January 06, 2020, 04:50:30 PM
With 11 offers for QB and no one committed they better hope Duncan stays! Anyone hear anything? Now he may have an OL. 
By my last count we have offered at least 22 QB's with an additional 9 that are listed as QB/DB. Almost all of these are still unsigned..
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on January 07, 2020, 08:05:56 AM
Quote from: bbtds on January 06, 2020, 09:41:03 PM
Quote from: ValpoFB60 on January 06, 2020, 07:48:14 PMOn the other hand Chris Duncan is returning for his 5th year to compete for the starting job

Does he have a girlfriend in school, job prospects in NW Indiana or is his family rich? Why? Hope it really means he has a deep love for Valpo.
I met his father at the USD game and his exact comment to me was that Chris absolutely loved Valpo.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: vu72 on January 07, 2020, 08:13:20 AM
Quote from: dcannon12 on January 06, 2020, 04:50:30 PM
With 11 offers for QB and no one committed they better hope Duncan stays! Anyone hear anything? Now he may have an OL. 

Does this mean that Nimz, Ruszkowski and Salyers aren't even in the mix to be the starting QB?
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: dcannon12 on January 07, 2020, 11:22:54 AM
I'm not sure how the other OB's are never saw them play. But I am not counting Chris out as the starter especially for North Dakota. No matter who starts he will be good for the team with his experience.
   
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on January 07, 2020, 11:27:37 AM
Yep, Duncan at lead just reflects Valpo's commitment to the bottom of the Sagarin poll. Let's not try to improve.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on January 07, 2020, 11:37:28 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 07, 2020, 11:27:37 AMYep, Duncan at lead just reflects Valpo's commitment to the bottom of the Sagarin poll. Let's not try to improve.
Ouch!
The post said he was to "compete" for the job. Maybe he's either improved or one of the other guys wins the job.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 07, 2020, 12:09:02 PM
From what I've heard the staff is very high on Saylers but let's not get crazy Duncan is most likely the starter.

The staff had 0 reason to not let Nimz play if they thought he was the guy, and same with Saylers the last four games.

I'll take a 3 year starter back who loves the University at QB, even with his limitations.

Moral of the story the team is returning 60 some kids and bringing in 40-50 new faces. The team went 1-11 last year. All 22 jobs should be open.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: NWIGuy on January 07, 2020, 03:09:43 PM
The RB position is interesting. Seemed very very obvious that plan was to make the sure 3 seniors (more seniors at RB than any other single position unless I'm missing something) got ALL the reps in 2019. While, on the one hand, you'd assume that they player performing the best in practice would get the most game reps, I also have to wonder how important it is that kids who play all 4 years or come back for 5th (like Early) get rewarded with playing time. 3 seniors at RB in a 1-back offense leaves little opportunity for the younger guys to get in, unless they are dramatically better than the seniors.

That being said... Riley does seems to have trouble staying healthy. Did he finish the season in a boot on the sideline? Any update there?

Seemed like Haugh didn't do much long snapping at the start of the season, but was called into action when the other kid struggled. Any chance he wasn't in the LS picture early because he was competing for time at RB, but once it became clear that he was needed as an LS, the staff saw him more as a specialist?

I need to fire up the Googletron and check out both of their HS highlights...
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: dcannon12 on January 07, 2020, 03:24:46 PM
You guys seem to blame Duncan for the poor season, if not for him what would the scores have been?  Look at the team as a whole not just 1 player.
I'm sure you all watch college and pro football ( Brady's last play) lets not even start with Michigan! Lets hope Valpo gets skilled athletics and plays the most talented people. None of this moving on from the 5th years you want the wins.  And lets gets a little better at play calling and using time outs when needed. 
   
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on January 07, 2020, 07:03:51 PM
The best players should play, period. The problem is we need better best players, including at QB
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on January 07, 2020, 08:38:08 PM
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 07, 2020, 07:03:51 PMThe best players should play, period. The problem is we need better best players, including at QB
or best players playing better. Either way will help
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on January 08, 2020, 06:35:16 AM
No player should be entitled to start because of their love of the school or because they have been part of the team for awhile.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: dcannon12 on January 08, 2020, 11:11:42 AM
No one said anything about entitlement.  How do we judge the "best player" stats?  Well Duncan's are not bad.  Judgement calls? Well that is a group decision in football most of the time   that is why there are coaches.  Football intelligence well that comes with experience. Physical ability?  Yeah you have to be a good athletic at this level. Duncan is one of the best athletes  on the team not my option fact look at his speed, footwork ect.  You all know there was NO OL for him it seems you are looking for a quick fix hey lets get rid of the QB Valp had a terrible season.  One thing I do agree no one has the stating job until the first game lets see the other QB's step it up.  They must not have impressed in practice  last year or they would have played them. 


Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 08, 2020, 06:35:42 PM
New commit K Mitchell Knotek 5'11 140 Trinity HS, no other offers

QB:
RB: Robinson
WR:
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert
DL: Kessen, Folkestad
LB: Robbins, Bogans
DB: Day, Backes
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on January 08, 2020, 08:07:28 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on January 08, 2020, 06:35:42 PM
New commit K Mitchell Knotek 5'11 140 Trinity HS, no other offers

From Garfield Hts. Ohio
PAT: 31-31
FG: 3-5

Also had an offer from Rose Hulman
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 08, 2020, 08:41:46 PM
Indyvalpo thanks for picking up slack I admittedly short changed that one
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 13, 2020, 09:31:59 AM
I was looking through some stats and saw interesting tidbits on Duncan (didn't want to start a new thread for this)

-He had 63 more pass attempts this season.
-He threw for almost 100 less yards
-4 more interceptions
-4 less touchdowns

BUT

He did triple is rushing yardage and touchdowns. i do not think we will have the OL to commit to a full RPO scheme but I think Duncan was coming into his own as a runner last year. Hopefully Limbach realizes this and implements it into his gameplan.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on January 13, 2020, 12:12:25 PM
We missed this guy though he made the running list

Daniel Heinrich
OL
Indianapolis Roncalli
Franklin, IN
6-5 250
Other offer: Kentucky Wesleyan

Was recently named 4A First team OL
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on January 13, 2020, 08:28:01 PM
Perhaps we should move to the veer offense.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 17, 2020, 09:26:53 AM
New commit DB Alex Carrillo 5'9 165 Nazareth Academy, Ill.

Other Offers: Truman State

HS National Rank: 238

QB:
RB: Robinson
WR:
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert
DL: Kessen, Folkestad
LB: Robbins, Bogans
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek

Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 17, 2020, 09:30:06 AM
New Commit: WR Tyler Blizzard 5'11 170 Woodgrove High School, VA.

Other Offers:

HS National Rank:3185

QB:
RB: Robinson
WR: Blizzard
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert
DL: Kessen, Folkestad
LB: Robbins, Bogans
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 19, 2020, 11:22:19 AM
New Commit: DL Trent Miller 6'1 220, Pine-Richland HS PA.

Other Offers: Butler University

HS National Rank:184!

QB:
RB: Robinson
WR: Blizzard
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 21, 2020, 07:10:43 PM
New Commit: Carter Woody 6'3 305 OL Charlotte Catholic, NC

Other Offers: Marist, Mars Hill, Catholic University

HS National Rank: 275

QB:
RB: Robinson
WR: Blizzard
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: NWIGuy on January 21, 2020, 09:42:41 PM
this might be better in a different thread, but...

Anyone have any insight to how first couple of weeks of off-season training have gone? I'm optimistic that having a dedicated football S & C coach in place right when players returned from winter break will pay dividends later. I know it's early and recruiting gets the headlines this time of year, but I'd love to hear about the kind of start the returning players are off to.   Bigger? Faster? Stronger? Leaders emerging? Did any transfers come in? Who are they?
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on January 22, 2020, 07:21:13 AM
I think Valpo needs to get out of the routine of redshirting freshmen if they are ready to play. Generally speaking, students would rather graduate in 4 years rather than 5 and not fork out cash for another year of tuition.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on January 22, 2020, 09:44:18 AM
What routine?
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 22, 2020, 10:05:26 AM
Here's the problem.

Name of the game in the PFL is retention. Best teams in the league are always playing with RSSO-RSSRs. Valpo is a very transient school.

For one they demand three years in the dorms, a constantly increasing tuition rate, weather is a factor, football team performance is a factor. Redshirting is not the problem whatsoever.

Having classes of 50 turn into 18 numbers wise is the problem. Until Valpo gets a group of kids committed to staying and the program then things will improve. I would recommend keep going the JUCO route if possible to even out the age discrepancy.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: crusader05 on January 22, 2020, 10:24:55 AM
How many of those that leave the team also leave the university?

If they all are transferring than yes it's a much bigger issue, but if they are just leaving the team what can be done to change that.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: vu72 on January 22, 2020, 10:42:13 AM
Quote from: crusader05 on January 22, 2020, 10:24:55 AM
How many of those that leave the team also leave the university?

If they all are transferring than yes it's a much bigger issue, but if they are just leaving the team what can be done to change that.

I think many just decide that the academic requirements are such that their best interests (getting passing to excellent grades and graduating on time) are best met without the practice, travel, weight room time constraints associated with being on the team. I doubt that many are transferring to other football teams.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on January 22, 2020, 12:46:17 PM
I just think Valpo needs to quit redshirting players so much and play freshmen if they are capable. Redshirting at a nonscholarship school makes little sense as tuition is steep.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 22, 2020, 12:52:21 PM
UscValpo to answer your question

I would have to pull up numbers but I would say a very limited amount of players quit the team and finish their 4-year degree at Valpo.

Some transfer for football, others transfer for school, some dropout or just don't finish school
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: FieldGoodie05 on January 22, 2020, 01:10:38 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on January 22, 2020, 12:52:21 PM
UscValpo to answer your question

I would have to pull up numbers but I would say a very limited amount of players quit the team and finish their 4-year degree at Valpo.

Some transfer for football, others transfer for school, some dropout or just don't finish school

In 2001 to 2005 timeline that rate was pretty decent.  I think I counted that around 12 football recruits were on the track team and graduated despite not continuing with football.  Others were in fraternities, so at least our small sample size that percentage seemed fair.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 22, 2020, 07:25:34 PM
New Commit: Darius Lane RB 5'10 180 Sherando HS, VA.

Other Offers:

HS National Rank: 3380

QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane
WR: Blizzard
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek

Large increase in east coast kids this year
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on January 22, 2020, 10:51:16 PM
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 22, 2020, 12:46:17 PMI just think Valpo needs to quit redshirting players so much and play freshmen if they are capable. Redshirting at a nonscholarship school makes little sense as tuition is steep.
Where are you getting this from? Valpo probably intentionally redshirts players less than most programs if not all in the PFL.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 23, 2020, 07:00:55 AM
JD24 he is probably pointing at the fact Valpo redshirted every freshman this past season besides WR Jacob Berkemeier. Now to discredit his point Berkemeier has already transferred and left the program. Like I said the problem isn't in redshirting. The problem lies in tuition, the school, and the program.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on January 23, 2020, 10:44:31 AM
Quote from: valpofb16 on January 23, 2020, 07:00:55 AMJD24 he is probably pointing at the fact Valpo redshirted every freshman this past season besides WR Jacob Berkemeier. Now to discredit his point Berkemeier has already transferred and left the program. Like I said the problem isn't in redshirting. The problem lies in tuition, the school, and the program.
The question is are they redshirting freshman who can beat out the upper classmen or are they reshirting because they can't get on the field. I don't specifically know the answer to that question but last year's class was small anyway and I'm not sure who'd have played anyway.

He appears to be suggesting to solve a problem which doesn't appear to be one.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpo64 on January 23, 2020, 12:19:14 PM
Any word on the QB/DB from East Noble HS in Kendallville, IN?  He is a great athlete and I can't remember if he recently said that VU had offered him or had shown interest.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on January 23, 2020, 08:58:24 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on January 23, 2020, 12:19:14 PMAny word on the QB/DB from East Noble HS in Kendallville, IN?  He is a great athlete and I can't remember if he recently said that VU had offered him or had shown interest.
Valpo, Morehead St. Butler, St Francis, Sienna
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 24, 2020, 12:32:19 PM
New Commit: Michael Foggie LB 5'11 200 Mt. Carmel, ill.

Other Offers: Concordia, North Park, Denison

HS National Rank: 107!

QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane
WR: Blizzard
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 25, 2020, 08:36:05 PM
New Commit: Joey Richmond Glenbars West, I'll.

Other Offers: Rochester, Saint Thomas , Harding ,Davidson , Bowdoin, Tufts, Carleton College, Elmhurst College, Southern Illinois (PWO)

HS National Rank: 642

QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond
WR: Blizzard
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 25, 2020, 08:39:12 PM
New Commit: Brett Wetherington 6'0 205 Westbern Boone HS, Indiana

Other Offers:

HS National Rank: 996

QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond
WR: Blizzard
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 25, 2020, 08:45:19 PM
Shoutout Indyvalpo for helping me on this one

New Commit: Jon Stone 6'6 305 OL Frankenmuth, Mich.

Other Offers: Lawrence Tech

HS National Rank: 2765

QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond
WR: Blizzard
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek

Oline numbers should not be a problem at least for a little while
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 25, 2020, 09:21:00 PM
Chase Bibler has transferred to Fresno City College
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 26, 2020, 05:57:42 PM
New Commit: Tytus Ragle WR 5'8 170 New Castle, IN

Other Offers: Indianapolis, Indiana Weslyan

HS National Rank: 7717

QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond
WR: Blizzard, Ragle
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on January 26, 2020, 09:53:52 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on January 26, 2020, 05:57:42 PMNew Commit: Tytus Ragle WR 5'8 170 New Castle, IN 
Andrew Cassara part II?
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 27, 2020, 07:31:49 PM
Big recruiting night people check me if I missed someone

New Commit: Joshua Becton 5'9 155 RB Schlagle HS, Kansas.

Other Offers: N/A

HS National Rank: 7893

NOTE: Played QB in HS, looks like a future RB and DB

QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 27, 2020, 07:35:39 PM
New Commit: Joshua Vargas 5'10 175 Safety Lincoln Way East, Ill.

Other Offers: Rockford, Saint Xavier, Robert Morris

HS National Rank: 70

QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 27, 2020, 07:39:59 PM
New Commit: Adam Mekky 6'1 195 OLB/Nickel Mount Prospect Ill.

Other Offers: Augustana, North Dakota (PWO)

HS National Rank: 1883

QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 27, 2020, 07:43:29 PM
New Commit: Keith Szczepanski 6'7 325 Notre Dame HS, NY.

Other Offers: Mercyhurst

HS National Rank: 6496
QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 27, 2020, 07:47:11 PM
New Commit: Charlie Maxwell 5'6 145 WR Osceola Grace, IN.

Other Offers: N/A

HS National Rank: 10812

QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 27, 2020, 07:50:31 PM
New Commit: Sam Hafner 6'2 215 LB De Pere HS, Wisc.

Other Offers: Bemidji State

HS National Rank: 7007
QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 27, 2020, 07:54:17 PM
New Commit: Garner Jones 5'10 165 Brentwood HS, Tennessee

Other Offers: Centre, Emory & Henry, Birmingham Southern, Rhodes,Kalamazoo, Lyons College, Maryville College

HS National Rank: 862
QB:
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 28, 2020, 08:47:32 PM
Jalen Allen DB RSFR has left team, roster will look very different next season
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 28, 2020, 08:50:07 PM
New Commit: Lance Beck 6'1 205 QB Western Illinois RSFR in for spring

Other Offers: N/A

College Rank: 250

QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 28, 2020, 08:54:51 PM
New Commit: Marvin Rushing 5'10 176 DB Cass Tech. Mich.

Other Offers: Lake Erie, Morehead St, Butler, Oberlin, Albion

HS National Rank: 1572

QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 28, 2020, 08:59:41 PM
New Commit: Nick Price 6'0 220 DL Merrillville HS, Ind.

Other Offers: Robert Morris, Aurora

HS National Rank: 689

QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller, Price
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on January 28, 2020, 10:38:15 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on January 28, 2020, 08:50:07 PMNew Commit: Lance Beck 6'1 205 QB Western Illinois RSFR in for spring Other Offers: N/A College Rank: 250 
Does he have immediate eligibility?

FWIW...it appears he left the program prior to the end of the season.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: bbtds on January 29, 2020, 05:00:58 AM
Quote from: JD24 on January 28, 2020, 10:38:15 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on January 28, 2020, 08:50:07 PMNew Commit: Lance Beck 6'1 205 QB Western Illinois RSFR in for spring Other Offers: N/A College Rank: 250 
Does he have immediate eligibility?

FWIW...it appears he left the program prior to the end of the season.


It appears he might have been totally misplaced at Western Illinois. I hope he can have a good career at Valpo.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on January 29, 2020, 06:32:11 AM
Me too - Valpo needs decent talent, but the QB position is really lacking.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 29, 2020, 07:55:25 AM
Transferring from scholarship to non scholarship means you are indeed eligible immediately. In terms of Beck it appears he was at Western Illinois, went back to a prep school, now lands here. Not sure he will compete for job over Duncan or Nimz, but he is an athlete, decent arm strength.

There is another transfer I am waiting on confirmation
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 29, 2020, 08:03:47 AM
New Commit: DJ Hutcherson DB 6'0 175 RSJR Howard University in for spring

NOTE: Played 5 games 2018, was off roster in 2019

Other Offers: N/A

College Rank (Massey): 428


QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller, Price
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing, Hutcherson
K: Knotek

At this point, a week before signing day. To assess the class would be unfair but here's where I am at with it. We brought in a QB to compete immediately it looks like, still would like another freshman or two. Will have a lot of RB's on roster. WR is underwhelming so far, think the staff is working on a few more. TEs were necessary as most likely losing Kluck & Bittner. OL numbers will be improved, talent is very top heavy. DL a lot of smaller guys from good schools, have not landed a DT yet. LB appear to have numbers but Annis and Peifer appear to be long term contributors there. DB's solid class here, losing Allen was huge. K Knotek appears to be in line to start from day 1, still looking for a transfer.

Fox's attrition rate has been much worse than expected and we could see anywhere from 50-60 new faces at 40 now with holes yet to fill
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on January 29, 2020, 10:51:54 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on January 29, 2020, 08:03:47 AMFox's attrition rate has been much worse than expected and we could see anywhere from 50-60 new faces at 40 now with holes yet to fill
I'm not looking for any "gotcha" moment here but is there a general feeling as to why the attrition other than simply typical changeover when a staff changes?
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 30, 2020, 07:33:51 AM
More recruits will post them tonight.

As for Fox, one aspect is he only recruited about 15 players on the roster, another is he is a demanding coach both on and off the field.

Quite different than Cecchini who ran it more like a business.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: crusader05 on January 30, 2020, 08:42:29 AM
I have also heard that he has high expectations for players not just on the field but also behaviorally and academically and the intensity of his practices and expectations leapfrogs Dave's by a lot.

Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on January 30, 2020, 08:59:09 AM
Sorry - right now, I would take Cecchini as a head coach over Fox based on performance. There is nothing wrong having business like sense in leading the team - it has worked for a lot of successful coaches such as Saban and Meyer. Cecchini had a winning season at Valpo, which is a miracle and was Pioneer COY. Fox is learning and hopefully he will get there.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 30, 2020, 09:02:31 AM
Cecchini would not have had a winning season last year with the players available. Went 2-8 with a team that graduated 7 seniors from a 6 win team.

People who will argue players transferred between '17 and '18. Thats on coach to keep them involved.

Fox had 4 additional games with a 1 TD score, with a roster that wasn't his, and the best defense put together since 2007
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on January 30, 2020, 11:36:32 AM
Cecchini had to take over the Osteen mess, and he also had to deal with an injured Jimmy Seewald his final year. He was a Pioneer COY and has a winning record and he moved on to a better job. Fox is not even close credential wise but he is learning and can prove it.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on January 30, 2020, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 30, 2020, 11:36:32 AMCecchini had to take over the Osteen mess, and he also had to deal with an injured Jimmy Seewald his final year. He was a Pioneer COY and has a winning record and he moved on to a better job. Fox is not even close credential wise but he is learning and can prove it.
If anything was embarrassing to the program post "Osteen", it was Cecchini's final season. That should never have happened. While I don't know if Fox will be, long term any better and neither do you, I'd hold off on the "I'll take this guy over that guy" opinions for the time being.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: NWIGuy on January 30, 2020, 03:32:43 PM
I really haven't followed VU prior to about this time last year. It was about that time that I started reading about recruiting for 2019, end of 2018 season, etc. so I don't have nearly the context that all of you have. Carlson? Osteen? No idea.

However, at quick glance, Cecchini was 4-8 and 1-9 in his 1st two seasons and 2-9 again in his last. He's won more than 4 games only 1x in his career, including 2019 at Bucknell. Seems kinda early to compare Fox to Cecchini. At this time last year, Fox hadn't even been hired, the football S & C coach had been fired/moved on/whatever, and Cecchini and staff were clearly more concerned with potential moves to Lehigh and then Bucknell than recruiting future Crusaders.

Clearly 1-11 is not acceptable, but probably should hold off until this time next year or maybe even year 3 before we really know who has done the better job.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on January 30, 2020, 06:36:08 PM
JD24 - please read the first 2 words of the message - "right now": I am implying as of today, Cecchini was/is a better coach. fox has a lot of learning.

16 - the Osteen reference is to Carlson, who would quote his crap to inspire his team and fans to a career 3-41 record.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on January 30, 2020, 07:32:55 PM
Quote from: usc4valpo on January 30, 2020, 06:36:08 PMJD24 - please read the first 2 words of the message - "right now": I am implying as of today, Cecchini was/is a better coach. fox has a lot of learning.
Is he? He went 4-8 with another coaches recruits. 1-9 in year two when those recruits moved on and eventually had a winning record before completely cratering in his final year as he slinked away from the program leaving nothing for the next guy. 

Fox shows up a week before spring ball, has no time to recruit or put together a staff and is stuck dealing with typical attrition and the same QB you referenced being injured as an excuse for Cecchini isn't factored in your analysis of Fox.

There isn't anything much which shows either coach to be any better than the other.

You can say he or both are better than Carlson.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on January 30, 2020, 09:47:59 PM
jD24 - fair enough, but he did have a winning season at Valpo and was COY. Right now Fox is learning, and I think that is about all you can say after a 1-11 season with little talent. Carlson was probably the worst coach In Valpo football history.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on January 31, 2020, 10:42:55 AM
Quote from: valpofb16 on January 29, 2020, 08:03:47 AM


Fox's attrition rate has been much worse than expected and we could see anywhere from 50-60 new faces at 40 now with holes yet to fill
Have we really lost that many?
Based on what has been posted we lost Russell and McKeag to injures plus Ruszkowski, Brewer, Berkmeier, Biblee, Kelly and Allen for a total of 8. Are there a bunch of additional?
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 31, 2020, 11:38:00 AM
In terms of the Cecchini take over, that team was really upper class men heavy. Roughly 60-70 RSSO-RSSR. Carlson really retained the classes of 2011 and 2012 which lead to an older team. Also massive respect but once we got a football S&C guy in Rouse numbers improved dramatically. What happened in 2015 with Cecchini is that the 2013 and 2011 class were essentially gone, thus leading to about 25 seniors, a mix of juniors and sophomores, then 60 freshman
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 31, 2020, 11:43:25 AM
New Commit: Connor Milks 6'4 190 WR Pope John XXXIII HS, NJ

NOTE: Team went 1-10 and was still top 4,000. Must be very high competition

Other Offers: Assumption, Pace, Fordham

HS National Rank: 3791


QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones, Milks
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller, Price
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing, Hutcherson
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 31, 2020, 11:52:40 AM
New Commit: Dalton Guthrie 6'0 190 RB South Dearborn HS, IN.

Other Offers:

HS National Rank: 6881

QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton, Guthrie
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones, Milks
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller, Price
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing, Hutcherson
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on January 31, 2020, 11:54:27 AM
New Commit: Cameron Livingston 6'0 185 WR Leo HS, IN.

Other Offers: St. Francis

HS National Rank: 2390

QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton, Guthrie
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones, Milks, Livingston
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller, Price
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie, Wetherington, Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing, Hutcherson
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on February 01, 2020, 09:10:24 AM
We should also be cognizant that if a Valpo head coach is successful, he will eventually leave for a better, higher paying job. I cannot blame Cecchini for leaving for a better job - better conference, more pay - just like any of us when a better job opportunity is available. When Cecchini was hired, most of us on this board knew this was a stepping stone and not a permanent job. I think Cecchini inherited a mess and did very well. In his final year there was a void at QB (hey, just like this past season!). But also, he likely had some alterior motives in his final season leading to his departure. Another criticism of Cecchini is that he left the football program with loose ends where the transition has been painful - not a good indicator of leadership.

As for Fox, we cannot evaluate his performance yet. Limited recruiting, pretty bare cupboard - this recruiting year is critical. My concern is not Fox, but the overall apathy of the university, students and alums toward the football program.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on February 01, 2020, 09:39:32 AM
Cecchini certainly righted the ship but appears to have spent his final year preparing to move on. They definitely mailed it in recruiting last year. In the end he left the situation not much better than he inherited.

But he landed himself and a couple of assistants better jobs.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on February 01, 2020, 05:18:43 PM
Wetherington has decommitted, going to Indiana University as a PWO

Have some new recruits to post, will be tomorrow
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on February 01, 2020, 05:19:08 PM
QuoteWe should also be cognizant that if a Valpo head coach is successful, he will eventually leave for a better, higher paying job.

The number of programs at every level of college ball which don't have to have the same cognizant ability within their fans is very, very small.

Quote from: usc4valpo on February 01, 2020, 09:10:24 AMAs for Fox, we cannot evaluate his performance yet. Limited recruiting, pretty bare cupboard - this recruiting year is critical. 

This is absolutely true.

So why do you repeatedly attempt to compare him to another coach?
Just bizarre.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on February 01, 2020, 05:20:39 PM
Glad to see a couple of WRs with some size. Couple of pretty small guys had committed. While it is possible that they are Cassara part II, I think the odds are against it.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on February 02, 2020, 07:20:26 AM
24, I will bag the comparison discussion, and I can be bizarre. I guess when folks on this board have an issue of coaching a football team like business, I tend to disagree. You need to figure out what works best as a whole. There should be nothing negative is using this approach.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on February 03, 2020, 01:15:17 PM
New Commit: Luke Patterson 6'0 170 WR Valparaiso HS, IND

Other Offers: N/A

HS National Rank: 371

QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton, Guthrie
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones, Milks, Livingston, Patterson
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller, Price
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie,  Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing, Hutcherson
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on February 03, 2020, 01:17:15 PM
New Commit: Joshua Gholston DB 6'1 170 Blacksburg HS, Virginia

Other Offers: N/A

HS National Rank: 3692

QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton, Guthrie
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones, Milks, Livingston, Patterson
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller, Price
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie,  Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing, Hutcherson, Gholston
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on February 03, 2020, 01:19:30 PM
New Commit: Trey Hayes 5'9 180 WR Dominion HS, Virginia

Other Offers: West Virginia State, West Liberty, Saint Francis (PA)

HS National Rank: 6559

QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton, Guthrie
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones, Milks, Livingston, Patterson, Hayes
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller, Price
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie,  Mekky, Hafner
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing, Hutcherson, Gholston
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on February 03, 2020, 01:24:53 PM
New Commit: James Doerer 6'2 210 Gross Pointe South, Mich.

Other Offers: Bates, Oberlin, Denison

HS National Rank: 1916

QB: Beck
RB: Robinson , Lane, Richmond, Becton, Guthrie
WR: Blizzard, Ragle, Maxwell, Jones, Milks, Livingston, Patterson, Hayes
TE: Vickers, Johnson, Evans
OL: Kelley, Byrd, Eberhart, Carpenter, Heinrich, Fortner, Garrard, Covert, Woody, Stone, Szczepanski
DL: Kessen, Folkestad, Miller, Price
LB: Robbins, Bogans, Foggie,  Mekky, Hafner, Doerer
DB: Day, Backes, Carrilo, Vargas, Rushing, Hutcherson, Gholston
K: Knotek
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on February 05, 2020, 06:51:05 AM
Signing day 2/3 , expect a lot to be announced today, should be a few guys who were on bubble who are added on


Still no word on a HS QB incoming. I know we lost the one that visited to Gannon. Right now there are 4 on roster. Don't think the staff should sign one just to have one. 4 should get them through season
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on February 05, 2020, 01:06:44 PM
Quote from: JD24 on December 21, 2019, 02:55:50 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on December 18, 2019, 09:04:24 PMBrock Johnson (FB from TX)
This guy appears to be a Fullback in name only. I looked at his highlights and he lined up in the backfield and ran the ball but didn't seem to play as a typical for these times fullback. More of an H-back or TE. He also appears too tall to be a true FB. Whatever he's called, his highlights indicate some ability.

This guy signed with UTPB University of Texas P......Basin

All of the other previously listed recruits have signed except no mention of the 2 FCS transfer. Also added at least 5 additional.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: vu72 on February 05, 2020, 02:07:41 PM
Permian
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: bbtds on March 20, 2020, 10:03:06 AM
Quote from: vu72 on February 05, 2020, 02:07:41 PM
Permian

The University of Texas Permian Basin Falcons
in Odessa, TX

https://utpbfalcons.com/sports/2011/1/25/GEN_0125114312.aspx

NCAA Division II
UT Permian Basin are members of the NCAA and compete at the Division II level. Full membership was gained in fall of 2008. Visit the NCAA website by clicking here.

The University of Texas System
UT Permian Basin is a part of the University of Texas System, which includes campuses at UT Arlington, UT Austin,  UT Dallas, UT El Paso, UT Rio Grande Valley, UT San Antonio and UT Tyler. Visit the UT system website by clicking here.


https://www.utsystem.edu/
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on April 08, 2020, 01:53:56 PM
I have seen a few new signings trickle in:
Noah Carlton, K Chino Hills CA
Thomas Palmer DL Saco, ME
Jacob Cleaver DB no other info

I think this may be our first kid from Maine.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on April 09, 2020, 10:56:13 AM
Jacob Cleaver, grandson of Theodore? Perhaps he wants to get away from Uncle Eddie...
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: bbtds on April 09, 2020, 12:39:13 PM
Quote from: usc4valpo on April 09, 2020, 10:56:13 AM
Jacob Cleaver, grandson of Theodore? Perhaps he wants to get away from Uncle Eddie...


(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/q8F1AVln4_o/hqdefault.jpg)

So, Wally, my grandson, Jacob, is going to play football at Valpo in Indiana.

Gee, Beav, that's great, but will they beat Butler this year?
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on April 28, 2020, 03:47:32 PM
New Transfer:

Anthony Sciarroni from D2 Alderson Broaduss University. St. Francis HS

WR/DB, 6'0 190

Will come in as a RSSO.

Other offer was Urbana
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on June 08, 2020, 09:30:31 AM
New recruit: DB Dayvonne Greenwood Contra Costa College 5-11 205:
HS: Vallejo, California
Measurements: 5-11 205


Will be a Junior coming in, chose Valpo overs several NAIA, D2 offers
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: vu72 on June 14, 2020, 10:45:59 AM
Interesting story here:

https://www.timesheraldonline.com/2020/06/13/vallejo-high-graduate-dayvonne-greenwood-signs-letter-with-valparaiso-university/
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on June 14, 2020, 06:54:50 PM
I read the story - Nice, but I get tired of hearing Valpo being compared to Ivy League schools. Valpo is a decent school, but let's not overinflate ourselves.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: bbtds on June 14, 2020, 10:53:14 PM
Quote from: usc4valpo on June 14, 2020, 06:54:50 PM
I read the story - Nice, but I get tired of hearing Valpo being compared to Ivy League schools. Valpo is a decent school, but let's not overinflate ourselves.

Valpo's been doing this since the Henry Baker Brown years. "The Harvard of the Midwest."

According to this story Washington U St Louis is "the Harvard of the Midwest."

https://www.studlife.com/archives/Forum/2006/12/06/SowhichschoolistherealHarvardoftheMidwest/

Valpo doesn't even get a mention but at the time of HBB Valpo was the second largest school next to Harvard in an era when less than 2% of the population went to college.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on June 15, 2020, 05:34:03 AM
OK, I respect history from 120 years ago. Washington U academically is close to Ivy League. Valpo is a decent school - believe what you want but is not close to being Ivy League.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: vu72 on June 15, 2020, 08:28:56 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on June 15, 2020, 05:34:03 AM
OK, I respect history from 120 years ago. Washington U academically is close to Ivy League. Valpo is a decent school - believe what you want but is not close to being Ivy League.

Not sure why you feel that way.  Much of the academic reputation of schools in the Ivy are based on faculty who write books but seldom teach.  Valpo has an undergrad engineering school ranked in the top 15 nationally.  Their Business and Nursing colleges are top flight. Graduates from Christ College can get into any graduate program they want."Decent" in not even close.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpotx on June 15, 2020, 03:22:54 PM
Quote from: vu72 on June 15, 2020, 08:28:56 AM
Quote from: usc4valpo on June 15, 2020, 05:34:03 AM
OK, I respect history from 120 years ago. Washington U academically is close to Ivy League. Valpo is a decent school - believe what you want but is not close to being Ivy League.

Not sure why you feel that way.  Much of the academic reputation of schools in the Ivy are based on faculty who write books but seldom teach.  Valpo has an undergrad engineering school ranked in the top 15 nationally.  Their Business and Nursing colleges are top flight. Graduates from Christ College can get into any graduate program they want."Decent" in not even close.


At my company, I interact with a lot of folks that graduated from an Ivy League school.  I am in no way in awe of their superior intellect, or demonstrable knowledge/experience, due to their Ivy League background.  Very smart folks, but the gap is not as large as you think...
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on June 15, 2020, 07:47:33 PM
As an engineer, some of the best engineers I have worked with went to MIT. Also, some if the worst engineers I have worked with went to MIT.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: David81 on June 16, 2020, 01:19:51 AM

[/quote]

At my company, I interact with a lot of folks that graduated from an Ivy League school.  I am in no way in awe of their superior intellect, or demonstrable knowledge/experience, due to their Ivy League background.  Very smart folks, but the gap is not as large as you think...

[/quote]

After graduating from VU undergrad, I went to law school at NYU, where roughly 1/3 of my classmates had gone to Ivies. I held my own there, but I always felt insecure about my own collegiate preparation. Not until I returned to NYU after years in practice as an entry-level instructor in its first-year legal skills program did I understand that my VU liberal arts training -- especially the extensive writing work done for courses -- prepared me well for the rigors of law school. It was a revelation to review the written assignments of 1L students and see that a good number of those from tonier undergraduate schools were not necessarily the best writers and analysts.

Don't get me wrong, some were absolutely brilliant and probably could've practiced law successfully with one year of law school under their belts. But those qualities were far from universal. Most had to learn from the ground up and work hard to get up to speed, like the rest of us.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on July 05, 2020, 11:56:16 AM
The initial roster is out:
Original recruits not listed OL Mason Fortner  (OH) who is going to Mount Union and RB Joey Richmond (IL).

We added Nick Stewart RB a transfer from Mercyhurst, Jadarias Horton a JC DB from Souhwestern Kan. OL Jeremiah Orr (SC) and LB Preston Rudd (IL)
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: vu72 on July 05, 2020, 02:57:24 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on July 05, 2020, 11:56:16 AM
The initial roster is out:
Original recruits not listed OL Mason Fortner  (OH) who is going to Mount Union and RB Joey Richmond (IL).

We added Nick Stewart RB a transfer from Mercyhurst, Jadarias Horton a JC DB from Souhwestern Kan. OL Jeremiah Orr (SC) and LB Preston Rudd (IL)

Don't know if any of them can play, but Valpo's national draw continues to be impressive.  Current roster has players from 22 states, including Alaska and Maine! Freshman hail from 18 different states.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on July 05, 2020, 06:22:47 PM
Richmond ended up at Dartmouth, can't blame the kid
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: JD24 on July 06, 2020, 11:49:02 AM
With the Ivies voting today on whether to move Football...and maybe all Fall sports...to Jan 2021, I wonder if the PFL and possibly the rest of the college world follows suit at some point if not immediately. That is, of course, if the Ivy League votes to move.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on July 06, 2020, 01:41:39 PM
We still don't have a schedule posted.... Thinking the season is far from guaranteed
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: usc4valpo on July 08, 2020, 08:29:05 PM
Based on the Ivy League, I feel confident that Valpo football will go undefeated in 2020.
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: valpofb16 on July 16, 2020, 08:51:04 AM
Derek Byrd (Brother of Aaron Byrd) has decommitted and will be attending Culver Stockton
Title: Re: FB Recruiting 2020
Post by: IndyValpo on July 16, 2020, 04:51:31 PM
Quote from: valpofb16 on July 16, 2020, 08:51:04 AM
Derek Byrd (Brother of Aaron Byrd) has decommitted and will be attending Culver Stockton
Disappointing but we added 11 other Freshmen OL. He probably counted bodies and realized it might be tough to get on the field.