Looking for third time is the charm. Hoping we at last get a fair Reffed game against them this time. Go Valpo
Official blame before the game even starts coming off that performance last night is a really bad look. That said Go Valpo! I BELIEVE!
I stand by my claim as I have all year long. Both games against Loyola, the bad reffing cost us the games or at least a chance of winning. Take a look at game at Valpo and the way ref Kelly Self called it. He was so bad.
Gonna be a hard game to win. Score be damned, let's get a 40 min effort and head into an extremely important offseason with heads high.
No TV in NWI for this game as NBC Sports Chicago will be offering Blackhawks and Bulls games on their channels. We need to get our earlier games on a channel besides local TV. That should be the next step of improving the media deal.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 06, 2020, 12:06:11 PM
No TV in NWI for this game as NBC Sports Chicago will be offering Blackhawks and Bulls games on their channels. We need to get our earlier games on a channel besides local TV. That should be the next step of improving the media deal.
Will it be on ESPN+?
Yes but for those of us who refuse to pay for it (It's the principle of it Stop gouging me media companies) it's going to be a problem. Ickow it is then.
If it's not being blacked on ESPN+ I'll drop the $5 to watch it (and I'll have ESPN+ for a month)! Hoping Valpo saved all their 3 pointers for tonight. Time to unravel some scarves!
Almost guaranteed to be blacked out on espn+. Games were blacked out last night. I have SlingTV, which used to have fox sports but doesn't anymore.
I used to pay the $23094829572934802348209380 a month for Comcast and never had to worry about it, but now I pay for local internet, SlingTV, Netflix, ESPN+ and Amazon Prime for about $60 a month less than Comcast and have more viewing options. Comcast is evil.
Side effect of all this is I can't watch the 1st 2 rounds of the MVC tourney, but most years I go to St. Louis, just couldn't go this year.
Glass half empty: If we play like we did yesterday against a competent team like Loyola, they will wipe the floor with our season.
Glass half full: I can't see us going o-fer from 3 pt land again.
I'm not going to hazard a guess at the score, but suffice it to say I'm leaning more towards the "half empty" view at the moment. On the other hand, what do we have to lose?
Screw it. UNI's done so we're a one bid league. That one bid might as well be us because nobody else in the MVC has what it takes to win a game so let's do it!
UNI losing today is awful for the league and bad for us. Not that Loyola would have taken us lightly but the odds of 1 and 2 going down in same day are not good.
Quote from: NativeCheesehead on March 06, 2020, 02:00:01 PM
UNI losing today is awful for the league and bad for us. Not that Loyola would have taken us lightly but the odds of 1 and 2 going down in same day are not good.
You, sir, have learned nothing about the MVC.
I'm mad right now. Who cares anymore? There's no hope for a multi bid. What team can win games in the tournament besides UNI? Loyola can't shoot ISU can't defend Missouri State doesn't know how to play together We can't put together two halves Drake is untested (played a horrible non conference Same with Bradley).
Quote from: hailcrusaders on March 06, 2020, 01:36:06 PMI'm not going to hazard a guess at the score, but suffice it to say I'm leaning more towards the "half empty" view at the moment. On the other hand, what do we have to lose?
Loyola is exactly who I was wanting (no logic involved) and they are exactly who we've got. Bring em on. We are overdue on a number of levels. Lottich can secure his contract today!
Quote from: M on March 06, 2020, 12:45:16 PMIf it's not being blacked on ESPN+ I'll drop the $5 to watch it (and I'll have ESPN+ for a month)! Hoping Valpo saved all their 3 pointers for tonight. Time to unravel some scarves!
Does ESPN+ black games out? I've never seen that.
The $5 I spend on ESPN+ is well worth it. Certainly moreso than other subs I have. It is far removed from what most see on ESPN.
Quote from: JD24 on March 06, 2020, 03:02:25 PM
Quote from: M on March 06, 2020, 12:45:16 PMIf it's not being blacked on ESPN+ I'll drop the $5 to watch it (and I'll have ESPN+ for a month)! Hoping Valpo saved all their 3 pointers for tonight. Time to unravel some scarves!
Does ESPN+ black games out? I've never seen that.
The $5 I spend on ESPN+ is well worth it. Certainly moreso than other subs I have. It is far removed from what most see on ESPN.
Yes they do but I would assume that this game isn't blacked out. The reason the games were blacked out on ESPN+ yesterday and tonight is because they were also on NBC SportsChicago. That isn't the case for the game tonight
Quote from: justducky on March 06, 2020, 02:54:27 PMQuote from: hailcrusaders on March 06, 2020, 01:36:06 PMI'm not going to hazard a guess at the score, but suffice it to say I'm leaning more towards the "half empty" view at the moment. On the other hand, what do we have to lose?
Loyola is exactly who I was wanting (no logic involved) and they are exactly who we've got. Bring em on. We are overdue on a number of levels. Lottich can secure his contract today!
Lottich has likely already earned and secured his next contract and it will be announced shortly after the season ends. The outcome of the game tonight has no bearing whatsoever on that nor should it really.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 06, 2020, 02:52:34 PM
I'm mad right now. Who cares anymore? There's no hope for a multi bid. What team can win games in the tournament besides UNI? Loyola can't shoot ISU can't defend Missouri State doesn't know how to play together We can't put together two halves Drake is untested (played a horrible non conference Same with Bradley).
Time to channel your upset anger to a positive note like on "Our Crusaders" playing in the second game of the MVC tournament for the second year in a row. ;)
Quote from: justducky on March 06, 2020, 02:54:27 PM
Quote from: hailcrusaders on March 06, 2020, 01:36:06 PMI'm not going to hazard a guess at the score, but suffice it to say I'm leaning more towards the "half empty" view at the moment. On the other hand, what do we have to lose?
Loyola is exactly who I was wanting (no logic involved) and they are exactly who we've got. Bring em on. We are overdue on a number of levels. Lottich can secure his contract today!
I second that. I am excited we are playing the scarfnecks from the North. For me this is a matchup I love to watch every time!
Quote from: VALPO LI on March 06, 2020, 03:35:16 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on March 06, 2020, 02:52:34 PMI'm mad right now. Who cares anymore? There's no hope for a multi bid. What team can win games in the tournament besides UNI? Loyola can't shoot ISU can't defend Missouri State doesn't know how to play together We can't put together two halves Drake is untested (played a horrible non conference Same with Bradley).
Time to channel your upset anger to a positive note like on "Our Crusaders" playing in the second game of the MVC tournament for the second year in a row. ;) Quote from: justducky on March 06, 2020, 02:54:27 PMQuote from: hailcrusaders on March 06, 2020, 01:36:06 PMI'm not going to hazard a guess at the score, but suffice it to say I'm leaning more towards the "half empty" view at the moment. On the other hand, what do we have to lose?
Loyola is exactly who I was wanting (no logic involved) and they are exactly who we've got. Bring em on. We are overdue on a number of levels. Lottich can secure his contract today!
I second that. I am excited we are playing the scarfnecks from the North. For me this is a matchup I love to watch every time!
I'll be fine. I'll be all about cheering on Valpo by game time. I just need time to mourn our league's lost multibid chances and also our league's likely lost chances at extra NCAA credits from a deep tournament run. At this point I can't see a team I feel confident will win its first round game so it might as well be us. Go Valpo!
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 06, 2020, 03:43:48 PMI'll be fine. I'll be all about cheering on Valpo by game time. I just need time to mourn our league's lost multibid chances and also our league's likely lost chances at extra NCAA credits from a deep tournament run. At this point I can't see a team I feel confident will win its first round game so it might as well be us. Go Valpo!
I think any team in this league could win a first round game. Yes UNI was in a separate class, but clearly they were not perfect either. It kills the chance for a 2 bid league, but the winner of the league will still likely be a 20 win team from a good conference that should get a decent seed.
Right now they have LUC in as a 14 Shudder
Quote from: vuny98 on March 06, 2020, 03:54:26 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 06, 2020, 03:43:48 PMI'll be fine. I'll be all about cheering on Valpo by game time. I just need time to mourn our league's lost multibid chances and also our league's likely lost chances at extra NCAA credits from a deep tournament run. At this point I can't see a team I feel confident will win its first round game so it might as well be us. Go Valpo!
I think any team in this league could win a first round game. Yes UNI was in a separate class, but clearly they were not perfect either. It kills the chance for a 2 bid league, but the winner of the league will still likely be a 20 win team from a good conference that should get a decent seed.
UNI started out with puzzle pieces that fit pretty well and they were reasonably well-seasoned (an experienced, long-standing coach and no critical positions depending on freshmen). They either weren't deep or chose instead to play a short rotation at the expense of resiliency and endurance. They might have just hit their ceiling while others improved. Please, let's stop mourning the would-be king.
Quote from: vok22 on March 06, 2020, 03:09:38 PMThe reason the games were blacked out on ESPN+ yesterday and tonight is because they were also on NBC SportsChicago.
I'm watching Bradley- SIU on that channel (Comcast 37) now. Some of these blackouts make no sense so I just check everywhere and mysteriously it will appear somewhere. ::)
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Quote from: vuny98 on March 06, 2020, 03:54:26 PM
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 06, 2020, 03:43:48 PMI'll be fine. I'll be all about cheering on Valpo by game time. I just need time to mourn our league's lost multibid chances and also our league's likely lost chances at extra NCAA credits from a deep tournament run. At this point I can't see a team I feel confident will win its first round game so it might as well be us. Go Valpo!
I think any team in this league could win a first round game. Yes UNI was in a separate class, but clearly they were not perfect either. It kills the chance for a 2 bid league, but the winner of the league will still likely be a 20 win team from a good conference that should get a decent seed.
UNI started out with puzzle pieces that fit pretty well and they were reasonably well-seasoned (an experienced, long-standing coach and no critical positions depending on freshmen). They either weren't deep or chose instead to play a short rotation at the expense of resiliency and endurance. They might have just hit their ceiling while others improved. Please, let's stop mourning the would-be king.
It would be easier to not mourn this loss of the "Would-be king" if we had an administration that gave a rip about athletics and growing the program and we weren't hopelessly dependent on our conference mates doing well and providing an influx of needed cash for us to improve.
I'm at theory bar in Chicago and the Bradley game is on NBC sports...good finish
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Game hasn't even started and Paul is already talking about free throws. The groundwork for blaming the refs is already being laid.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 06, 2020, 05:39:46 PM
Game hasn't even started and Paul is already talking about free throws. The groundwork for blaming the refs is already being laid.
Please point out the factual error in his tweet.
Quote from: vok22 on March 06, 2020, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on March 06, 2020, 05:39:46 PMGame hasn't even started and Paul is already talking about free throws. The groundwork for blaming the refs is already being laid.
Please point out the factual error in his tweet.
Please point out the relevance of that stat to this neutral site game. Obviously the refs aren't rigging games by purposely favoring one side over the other. If you think that's happening which is what that tweet seems to suggest what happened today should put any argument in favor of that position to rest permanently. You think the MVC wanted Drake over UNI which killed any chance at the league getting multiple bids and its best chance at getting multiple credits even from a single bid? Is it so inconceivable to think that maybe our roster is a little prone to fouling? After all everyone calls out Mileek for just that. Is it possible he isn't the only one? Doing this before a game just comes off as whiny and searching for an excuse so we have something to gripe about in case we lose. It's not a good look and we are or at least we should be better than this.
VUGrad are you in STL? We have our little section club level 117 but many 104 by the bench too.
This is the greatest tournament I've been to and I couldn't imagine ever skipping it again.
No I'm home in NWI right now trying to get WVUR to work. For some reason the stream isn't up on my computer.
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 06, 2020, 05:52:09 PM
Quote from: vok22 on March 06, 2020, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on March 06, 2020, 05:39:46 PMGame hasn't even started and Paul is already talking about free throws. The groundwork for blaming the refs is already being laid.
Please point out the factual error in his tweet.
Please point out the relevance of that stat to this neutral site game. Obviously the refs aren't rigging games by purposely favoring one side over the other. If you think that's happening which is what that tweet seems to suggest what happened today should put any argument in favor of that position to rest permanently. You think the MVC wanted Drake over UNI which killed any chance at the league getting multiple bids and its best chance at getting multiple credits even from a single bid? Is it so inconceivable to think that maybe our roster is a little prone to fouling? After all everyone calls out Mileek for just that. Is it possible he isn't the only one? Doing this before a game just comes off as whiny and searching for an excuse so we have something to gripe about in case we lose. It's not a good look and we are or at least we should be better than this.
His tweet had nothing to do with drake or UNI or anything besides the fact that they have outshot us by 40 free throws. Also doesn't say that is goiing to happen tonight. Just shows that in the previous two matchups the game has been decided by 5 points total and the free throws made up 40 of those. No matter how prone a team is to fouling that is an unrealistic statistic.
Quote from: vok22 on March 06, 2020, 06:14:37 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on March 06, 2020, 05:52:09 PMQuote from: vok22 on March 06, 2020, 05:43:54 PMQuote from: VUGrad1314 on March 06, 2020, 05:39:46 PMGame hasn't even started and Paul is already talking about free throws. The groundwork for blaming the refs is already being laid.
Please point out the factual error in his tweet.
Please point out the relevance of that stat to this neutral site game. Obviously the refs aren't rigging games by purposely favoring one side over the other. If you think that's happening which is what that tweet seems to suggest what happened today should put any argument in favor of that position to rest permanently. You think the MVC wanted Drake over UNI which killed any chance at the league getting multiple bids and its best chance at getting multiple credits even from a single bid? Is it so inconceivable to think that maybe our roster is a little prone to fouling? After all everyone calls out Mileek for just that. Is it possible he isn't the only one? Doing this before a game just comes off as whiny and searching for an excuse so we have something to gripe about in case we lose. It's not a good look and we are or at least we should be better than this.
His tweet had nothing to do with drake or UNI or anything besides the fact that they have outshot us by 40 free throws. Also doesn't say that is goiing to happen tonight. Just shows that in the previous two matchups the game has been decided by 5 points total and the free throws made up 40 of those. No matter how prone a team is to fouling that is an unrealistic statistic.
And yet if we had executed down the stretch it would have been rightly viewed by everyone as completely irrelevant which it is. Play better and don't let yourself be in a situation where a late foul call or free throws decide the game and the active whistles of the refs can't hurt you. It's that simple.
Anybody else having a problem getting the radio feed to play on their computer? I would very much like to hear this game.
Haven't had any issues on tunein app on my iPad. Maybe try your cell phone on WiFi and then if still issues try on cellular data?
Had to go the conventional route and get an actual radio but I've got it now! Go Valpo! I BELIEVE!
I don't know how anyone can argue with the foul discrepency. Maybe Loyola just sells it well to the refs? Maybe it's Porter?
Loyola is right on top of our guys hands all over JFL and nothing gets called. He's being held, and out of a lack of options, hooks around the defender and gets called for an offensive foul. Call Williamson for being all over him in The first place.
This isn't just against us. Loyola gets these foul differentials in every game they play.
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Hard to compete when you allow a 10-0 run.
This one's about to get away from us.....we need a hero....queue up the footloose soundtrack
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Going through our usual stink it up period. Hope it ends before half (it didn't). JFL doesn't look like he has any energy. Maybe being constantly held, slapped and grabbed without getting a call has something to do with it.
There's no one under the offensive glass. Can't do that when you're missing shots. I guess we'll have to have our usual second half comeback.
Man I hate losing to Loyola. Something about them just grates on me. I miss their days as a doormat in the Horizon.
Really hope we have another big comeback in us.
Face the music we're down by 14...we suck. I don't want to be some super fan.....oh let's do out normal come from 200 down come back....we have a long way to go to be good again
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Pointed out that Loyola is good at drawing contact and getting to the line. Ramblers have shot 214 more free throws than opponents this year. Simple fact. No groundwork at all.
It's the refs fault we can't score.
It's the refs fault we can't rebound.
It's the refs fault we completely fell apart without Kiser.
It's the refs fault Kiser is our only player with a positive +\-
It's the refs fault we've decided we don't feel like defending Clemons.
Darn refs. If they weren't there we'd be unstoppable.
My only criticism of Todd is that he constantly whines about the refs calls. We need to point the mirror inward. It starts with us. It starts with the program. WE have to get better. WE have to execute. WE have to be more consistent on offense and defense. WE have to avoid digging holes. WE have to win games. Then the refs won't be such an issue at all.
Quote from: truth219 on March 06, 2020, 07:00:04 PMFace the music we're down by 14...we suck. I don't want to be some super fan.....oh let's do out normal come from 200 down come back....we have a long way to go to be good again
Dude, I'm as hard on this team (and coach) as anyone and I think you're nuts. Barring a comeback, this team finishes 17-16, 10-10 against Valley opponents, with a NET in the top 140 or so. Average? Maybe, yeah. Sucks? Lol not even close
Quote from: nkvu on March 06, 2020, 06:47:13 PM
Going through our usual stink it up period. Hope it ends before half (it didn't). JFL doesn't look like he has any energy. Maybe being constantly held, slapped and grabbed without getting a call has something to do with it.
And the mono...
Your standards are lower than mine...i like winning
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Why was Drake able to play like world beaters in the same situation as us while we have been utterly terrible?
Quote from: a3uge on March 06, 2020, 07:12:21 PM
Quote from: nkvu on March 06, 2020, 06:47:13 PM
Going through our usual stink it up period. Hope it ends before half (it didn't). JFL doesn't look like he has any energy. Maybe being constantly held, slapped and grabbed without getting a call has something to do with it.
And the mono...
Well, there is that.
Now they're blaming the Canada trip because now they're tired at the end of the year... That international trip didn't seem to bother the team the last time they took it. Tougher conference or not that sounds like BS to me. Excuses abound. It's always someone or something else in the Lottich era and that mentality is now starting to infect the radio staff and the fanbase. That's not good. We've become defeatist.
Quote from: PlumStreetBum on March 06, 2020, 06:57:35 PM
Man I hate losing to Loyola. Something about them just grates on me. I miss their days as a doormat in the Horizon.
Really hope we have another big comeback in us.
They've been dominating us in the MVC the way we dominated them in the Horizon. Things need to change.
11 points... Maybe there's a shot here...
Sackey should never shoot
He's awful
Quote from: Valpo2013 on March 06, 2020, 07:28:09 PMSackey should never shoot He's awful
Now I hope he hits a game winning three.
Single digits now!
Cameron Krutwalk!
Like to see Kiser get more shots.
Why is the radio playing commercials while the game is on according to the play by play in my computer? Get it together WVUR!
Still playing commercials.... >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
It started to play the game for a second and now it's playing music... I don't know what's going on but I give up.
WVUR is cancelled. I'm buying ESPN+ next year. I tried supporting my campus radio station but this is totally unacceptable especially for the amount of money students pay for tuition. We should be able to fund a radio station that works. Ridiculous.
Nevermind. They're back. Still I'm done listening to radio games next year.
JFL needs to find his game soon or (I never thought I'd say this) he needs to sit. 4 turnovers so far and o for every shot.
Somebody who isn't JFL is going to have to take charge here. He's is out of synch. I know that since his near defection, there's been a fear of being criticizing him, but don't count me among them. We need him in this game, but not shooting out of the flow.
Sackey has been great! Good job Daniel! Crap.. That hurts... Again it comes down to execution... Come on guys! (last part reference to a late turnover not by Daniel)
Not sure Loyola is allowed to run off additional time after a made basket, just walking to the basketball.
DANIEL! SACKEY!
We've still got a chance guys!
Gotta get stops every possession. Fingers crossed
Just our luck that our best player all season gets ill and has his worst performance ever in a valpo uniform. Poor guy and so much respect for him turning up to play yesterday and today with his mono.
Loyola's gotta be wetting their pants right about now.
YES! Come on! Let's go!
RYAN FAZEKAS! OH MY GOD! WE CAN DO THIS! GO VALPO! I BELIEVE!
My heart is beating so fast right now
So tell me people watching on TV. Will we get free throws or OT?
I do think the foul was after time expired
Here we go! We can win this! Go Valpo! I BELIEVE!
Wow. I fear the loss of momentum, but here's where Loyola having more to lose than us comes into play.
We can do it! Come on Valpo! I BELIEVE!
Such great defense... if only the offense could generate something and reward our defensive effort...
WIN IT FOR KISER! HE DESERVES THIS VICTORY! Come on Valpo! I BELIEVE!
One more stop....
We can do this Come on Valpo! I BELIEVE!
Here we go Please God
YES!!!!!!!! ERON GORDON!!!!!!! JOHN KISER!!!!!!! DONOVAN CLAY!!!!! JAVON!!!!! FAZEKAS!!!! DANIEL SACKEY!!!!! VALPO!!!!!! I LOVE YOU ALL!!!!!
WOOOOOOO!!!!
HUGE WIN!!!
LET'S GO
YEEEEEAHHHHHH! Every single one of you that doubted John Kiser over the last few years can come on over to my side any time now. I was a bit lonely over here. Same for those that doubt Matt Lottich. Come on over!! He coaches a f'ing hell of a game.
Wow!
That was so sweet I won't mention how much I hate those stupid scarves!
"I BELIEVE!!!!!"
:thewave:
WOW!!!! Fantastic!!! Kiser is a BEAST!!! Just when you figure they can never comeback that far and they DO IT!!!
This program just took a huge step forward tonight. The future is bright!
Suck it Gryffindor!
Never in doubt. :snore:
So many times our rally ended just short after clawing back from down double digits but not this time!
Quote from: mj on March 06, 2020, 08:36:05 PM
This program just took a huge step forward tonight. The future is bright!
This is probably a program defining moment for us. That type of excitement might keep some key players around, that see how good we can be next season. If we lose that game by double digits, it changes that mentality considerably as a player. Wow...
March madness just happened.
EXTEND THIS MAN RIGHT NOW! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS! FOUR MORE YEARS!
This league is DEEP! They're right The Valley runs DEEP! Next year we should all play grueling non cons so that that league depth counts for something! Let's do it MVC! #MakeTheMVCMultibidAgain!
I had given up when they got 18 down and we were playing so poorly. This comeback is one for the ages.
There were a lot of heroes tonight but non bigger than Kiser. The 3's, the defense, that block in overtime, playing through pain and exhaustion and making that perfect feed to Gordon at the end. What a story!!!!
Awesome win guys! Congrats from a Sycamore fan! Love seeing the Indiana teams in our league do well in St Louis.
Holy Crap! I'm drunk!!
They've been preparing for this moment all season. I could cry from the amount of payoff from the season's frustrations that reversed tonight!
Now it's a rivalry.
I don't know how we'll do tomorrow or Sunday, but I feel real good about this one.
Over and over, when the ball went out of bounds off of us, or a 3-pointer rattled out, or Loyola got an offensive rebound (seriously, how many did they have down the stretch?), I kept thinking "Welp, this is it. This is as close as we're gonna get. With a healthy JFL, we woulda won."
But our guys kept battling back. Sackey wouldn't let turnovers get him down and kept bringing the energy. Kiser did the Kiser things he does. Fazekas hit some huge threes down the stretch. Gordon was there at the perfect place right when we needed him. Our team does not quit!
WOW!!
This team doesn't quit! Maybe we fans should take a lesson from that (and I am first and foremost among them who needs to learn! Go Valpo! I BELIEVE!
I'd say at this point I don't care how Valpo does in the game tomorrow I'm already so happy and while that is somewhat true We all know that I care very much how that game tomorrow goes! I want Valpo on CBS! I want Valpo in the Tournament! The way we fight we just might surprise someone! Why not us?
Quote from: Sycamorefan96 on March 06, 2020, 08:45:04 PMAwesome win guys! Congrats from a Sycamore fan! Love seeing the Indiana teams in our league do well in St Louis.
Thanks! Good luck tonight!
I don't want this to end! Postseason for Valpo in some way please! This team deserves to keep playing as long as they possibly can! GO VALPO! I BELIEVE!
My plus 3000 for valpo to win it is still alive.
All joking aside, congrats to
Coach and the team for keep battling. They should be proud and happy, I know I am.
Biggest win in Lottich career?
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 06, 2020, 08:57:25 PM
My plus 3000 for valpo to win it is still alive.
All joking aside, congrats to
Coach and the team for keep battling. They should be proud and happy, I know I am.
Biggest win in Lottich career?
I'd say so. I mean the URI Alabama and BYU wins were great and all but the way that season ended kind of sullies them a bit. The only one that retains its luster is the URI win because they were ranked. That said this win might actually lead somewhere. This one could be a program changer. For that reason I think it is bigger. It could be the start of our true arrival as a contender in the MVC. That makes it more significant I think.
What a win. If Valpo plays to their potential, I dont see anyone standing in their way. It's there for their taking. Let's keep rolling
Regardless of how the semifinal goes, I think that this team deserves a postseason shot of some sort. I don't care if it is CBI or CIT (NCAA being the goal!), they deserve it. It would also continue our streak of each graduating class having some postseason action.
For any of those who could only listen to the game on radio, a reminder that it will be aired on NBC Sports Chicago tonight. I believe the broadcast is set for 11:30 Central Time.
Seniors! When it might be your last game, your will do whatever it takes. Congrats Kiser and Ryan.
Remember my point earlier today, what was a weakness during season can bite you in playoffs/tourney. For Loyola, it was FTs and that was huge down the stretch.
Quote from: justducky on March 06, 2020, 02:54:27 PM
Quote from: hailcrusaders on March 06, 2020, 01:36:06 PMI'm not going to hazard a guess at the score, but suffice it to say I'm leaning more towards the "half empty" view at the moment. On the other hand, what do we have to lose?
Loyola is exactly who I was wanting (no logic involved) and they are exactly who we've got. Bring em on. We are overdue on a number of levels. Lottich can secure his contract today!
Anybody don't want Lottich back now? This team fought extremely hard for him.
Btw, even though I have been a big Kiser buff for a few seasons now, when did he become much more athletic? He looked like he had Matt Kenney-like hops today!
Postgame press conference: [tweet]1236120087247106049[/tweet]
My great hope now is that the Sycamores and Bears play to triple OT so that we play a similarly spent team. However, I'd also take an opponent who wins in a cakewalk as they too will face challenges.
Quote from: valpotx on March 06, 2020, 08:32:48 PM
YEEEEEAHHHHHH! Every single one of you that doubted John Kiser over the last few years can come on over to my side any time now. I was a bit lonely over here. Same for those that doubt Matt Lottich. Come on over!! He coaches a f'ing hell of a game.
I admit that while I loved the kid and his story, I always judged the team by how much he played. If he was playing a lot then the team couldn't be really good. That started to change about half way through this season when he showed that he had offense in his game as well as all the hustle/intangibles that made him a "glue guy". Now I saw him just refuse to let his team lose and play incredibly on both ends of the court. When I saw him successfully battle Krutwig who has to have five inches in height and 70 lbs. in weight on him I realized I am completely sold. I would say that though he may not be the best player on the team, I think he has become the most valuable.
The toughness of Krikke to get up off the floor, hit two free throws, and stay in the game, when he got hit in the face and his eye was swelling up seemed a symbolic turning point in the game. He reminded me of Kevin Van Wijk at that point!
Quote from: valpotx on March 06, 2020, 09:13:30 PM
Btw, even though I have been a big Kiser buff for a few seasons now, when did he become much more athletic? He looked like he had Matt Kenney-like hops today!
Him nailing a crutch step back three after crossing over his defender is something I never thought I'd see a few years ago. His game has really improved every year.
Also, everyone is going to brush away that last call on Krutwig was to give him free throws... That would have been a brutal way to end the season.
Quote from: a3uge on March 06, 2020, 09:31:04 PM
Quote from: valpotx on March 06, 2020, 09:13:30 PM
Btw, even though I have been a big Kiser buff for a few seasons now, when did he become much more athletic? He looked like he had Matt Kenney-like hops today!
Him nailing a crutch step back three after crossing over his defender is something I never thought I'd see a few years ago. His game has really improved every year.
Also, everyone is going to brush away that last call on Krutwig was to give him free throws... That would have been a brutal way to end the season.
Yeah but see? We executed when we had the opportunity and now it doesn't matter! Point proven. Execution trumps all. Weather the storm (that includes bad calls) nd get the job done! Go Valpo! I BELIEVE!
Quote from: valpopal on March 06, 2020, 09:29:22 PM
The toughness of Krikke to get up off the floor, hit two free throws, and stay in the game, when he got hit in the face and his eye was swelling up seemed a symbolic turning point in the game. He reminded me of Kevin Van Wijk at that point!
Strong point!
Quote from: truth219 on March 06, 2020, 07:15:06 PMYour standards are lower than mine...i like winning Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk
I, too, like winning. Good thing we don't suck! :thumbsup:
As quoted from Eron Gordon
"Say What's Good"
Tonight you and the Crusaders are what's good!!!! :thumbsup:
Worth watching: [tweet]1236122707890143232[/tweet]
Odd Loyola didn't foul on last play. They had fouls to give. Porter screwed that up big time.
Hoops aside, towards the 14 minute mark of the 1st half the announcers praised Valpo engineering several times. :thumbsup:
I would think Loyola gets a look from the NIT, so I am not sure why they are talking as if their season is done.
Quote from: valpotx on March 06, 2020, 10:33:52 PMI would think Loyola gets a look from the NIT, so I am not sure why they are talking as if their season is done.
Think so? Their NET is right around that of the last NIT at large team last year (San Diego) actually it's a bit lower and will be even lower now that they're out and can't improve their resume anymore.
Quote from: valpotx on March 06, 2020, 10:33:52 PM
I would think Loyola gets a look from the NIT, so I am not sure why they are talking as if their season is done.
Loyola doesn't think so. Not with UNI likely getting a bid.
Radio issues earlier were completely due to the internet at Enterprise Center being a disaster. Nothing to do with WVUR.
Quote from: Pgmado on March 06, 2020, 10:41:09 PMQuote from: valpotx on March 06, 2020, 10:33:52 PMI would think Loyola gets a look from the NIT, so I am not sure why they are talking as if their season is done.
Loyola doesn't think so. Not with UNI likely getting a bid.
There's no "likely" in it. UNI has a bid to the NIT sewn up as the Regular Season Champion of the MVC. (They're not getting an at large. They're the last team in right now according to Lunardi's projections and there's still regular seasons to finish and lots of conference tournaments to be played. They are sure to fall out of the field.
Quote from: Pgmado on March 06, 2020, 10:42:49 PMRadio issues earlier were completely due to the internet at Enterprise Center being a disaster. Nothing to do with WVUR.
Thank you for letting me know that. I was depending on that feed tonight and none too pleased that I didn't have it. I wasn't serious about not listening anymore I was just mad at the situation and the fact that things were not going very well for Valpo at the time (though I probably will buy ESPN+ just to be safe :) ). Were you doing color commentary with Todd? You did a nice job!
Quote from: PlumStreetBum on March 06, 2020, 09:58:14 PMQuote from: truth219 on March 06, 2020, 07:15:06 PMYour standards are lower than mine...i like winning Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk
I, too, like winning. Good thing we don't suck! :thumbsup:
Ah a fellow fan of winning! I see you're a man of culture as well! Cheers!
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 06, 2020, 10:16:29 PM
Hoops aside, at the towards the 14 minute mark of the 1st half the announcers praised Valpo engineering several times. :thumbsup:
I am on a flight for a week's vacation. I was logged on to the wifi to do some work and checked on the game (knowing Valpo was down 14 in the second half when we took off). This sure made our flight more enjoyable!
John Kiser has my vote for best engineering student-athlete in the history of Valparaiso basketball. With all due respect to Dave Leuthy and Seth Colclasure, his improvement over four years and his consistent total effort are truly remarkable.
Whoever wanted to play a team coming off a cakewalk win it looks like you'll be getting your wish. Missouri State is in total control right now and it's very late.
Quote from: vu84v2 on March 06, 2020, 10:50:55 PMQuote from: oklahomamick on March 06, 2020, 10:16:29 PMHoops aside, at the towards the 14 minute mark of the 1st half the announcers praised Valpo engineering several times. :thumbsup:
I am on a flight for a week's vacation. I was logged on to the wifi to do some work and checked on the game (knowing Valpo was down 14 in the second half when we took off). This sure made our flight more enjoyable! John Kiser has my vote for best engineering student-athlete in the history of Valparaiso basketball. With all due respect to Dave Leuthy and Seth Colclasure, his improvement over four years and his consistent total effort are truly remarkable.
It goes without saying but I'll say it anyway. We don't win this game without him. We don't even get to overtime without him. He is the example for all of the program and indeed all people in general to emulate! Work hard stay positive and dedicated and good things will happen for you! Go John! You've earned this moment and many more! Great job tonight!
Quote from: VUGrad1314 on March 06, 2020, 10:48:03 PM
Quote from: PlumStreetBum on March 06, 2020, 09:58:14 PMQuote from: truth219 on March 06, 2020, 07:15:06 PMYour standards are lower than mine...i like winning Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G891A using Tapatalk
I, too, like winning. Good thing we don't suck! :thumbsup:
Ah a fellow fan of winning! I see you're a man of culture as well! Cheers!
"I love winning man.... I love winning it's like..... better than losing."...Ebbi Calvin (Nuke) LaLoosh
Not a bulletin here but Kiser played a heck of a game. In the second half he out Krutwigged Krutwig. Sometimes the way you beat a body puncher is simply by punching him first and that's what he was doing.
I hope JFL has some juice left. He looked completely drained and the cumulative effect of mono and the multiple days of games is going to be hard to overcome.
Just got home from the game. Fun to hear most of the other schools cheering for Valpo in overtime. Winning cures a lot doesn't it!
Just got back to the hotel after the games and read this thread from the beginning. The first 2 and a half pages were doom and gloom / this team is so bad, never going to follow again! Then the rest of the thread - YEA.
We fans got a little down, but never stopped cheering or believing they could win (although doubt was creeping in a little towards the end). BUT then Kiser refused YES REFUSED to let his career end with this game. The excitement and energy at the end of regulation and overtime was off the charts. This was the most heart pounding emotional game I've ever been to. Wish all of you could have been here for the excitement and watched up close the VU bench, and how the players and coaches were locked in during the time out huddles. This team was focused,, and intense and believed in themselves, even when they were down.
They were not going to go gently into the night. As a result they found a way to WIN! I LOVE this team!
Another 18 point comeback. They sure know how to do it. Don't know how to find it but I'm will to say we lead the NCAA and have the most 16+ comebacks.
Anyone know why mileek only played 14 minutes?
Quote from: JD24 on March 06, 2020, 11:10:16 PMI hope JFL has some juice left. He looked completely drained and the cumulative effect of mono and the multiple days of games is going to be hard to overcome.
No disrespect to Javon but this team has learned to play without him and win. Always remember and never forget, Valpo beat Missouri State without JFL at the ARC. It takes great efforts from Kiser, Fazekas, Clay, Krikke, Sackey.....etc but as VUGrad1314 has everyone saying by now...........
I BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!
Quote from: Valpofamfan on March 07, 2020, 06:23:17 AM
Anyone know why mileek only played 14 minutes?
Fouling much too soon. Missing shots. Better play from other players.
Quote from: oklahomamick on March 07, 2020, 05:34:09 AM
Another 18 point comeback. They sure know how to do it. Don't know how to find it but I'm will to say we lead the NCAA and have the most 16+ comebacks.
I was thinking about this in a little bit different way, and was trying to figure out what the stat would be. It seems that if NCAA kept a stat for most cumulative points overcome in a season or conference play, Valpo would surely be leading the entire NCAA by a large margin. It's the story of this season. Seems that Valpo would average over 10 points overcome per game. I can't imagine many teams come close to that.
Todd had a great opening comment to Gore to start the post-game interview, and it says it all: "When you were down by 18, you had them right where you wanted 'em."
Quote from: bbtds on March 07, 2020, 06:51:26 AM
Quote from: Valpofamfan on March 07, 2020, 06:23:17 AM
Anyone know why mileek only played 14 minutes?
Fouling much too soon. Missing shots. Better play from other players.
Coaching decision by ML to have Kiser as the big, as obviously matching big vs. big wasn't working for us. Genius move that paid off!
Also, it is very cool to see all of the former players chime in on the win, and apparently watching:
https://twitter.com/RBroekhoff45/status/1236296135569965056
https://twitter.com/Doritykid/status/1236198910810603524
https://twitter.com/TheReal_MG3/status/1236161489125306368
https://twitter.com/CoachEBuggs/status/1236163206218952704
Quote from: bbtds on March 07, 2020, 06:49:19 AMQuote from: JD24 on March 06, 2020, 11:10:16 PMI hope JFL has some juice left. He looked completely drained and the cumulative effect of mono and the multiple days of games is going to be hard to overcome.
No disrespect to Javon but this team has learned to play without him and win. Always remember and never forget, Valpo beat Missouri State without JFL at the ARC. It takes great efforts from Kiser, Fazekas, Clay, Krikke, Sackey.....etc but as VUGrad1314 has everyone saying by now...........I BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!
The problem is that playing without or with a compromised best player catches up to teams. See the end of this regular season and the end of Alec Peters career as for examples.
JD24 - true, but didn't AUburn lose their top player in the tournament last year and they still did well?
If you thought Loyola shooting 27 free throws to our 7 was a fluke or unfair or bad refs etc, think again. Over the three games we have played them this year, we have had a total of 18 attempts to their 78!!! Fortunately they have been consistently terrible shooting a combined 54% but still added 29 more points over the three games then we did via the free throw line.
I guess it is just a matter of style with them playing mostly threw Krutwig. It needs to be a point of emphasis this off season.
Quote from: usc4valpo on March 07, 2020, 09:17:21 AMJD24 - true, but didn't AUburn lose their top player in the tournament last year and they still did well?
Exception to the rule guy shows up.
Let's hope he's able to contribute fully.
It was pretty awesome to open the espn app this morning with this as the headline:
https://www.espn.com/video/clip/_/id/28854105
Congrats to the team and ML. Big win and I hope to see them keep it rolling tonight.
"I BELIEVE!!"
Quote from: FieldGoodie05 on March 06, 2020, 09:43:01 PM
Quote from: valpopal on March 06, 2020, 09:29:22 PM
The toughness of Krikke to get up off the floor, hit two free throws, and stay in the game, when he got hit in the face and his eye was swelling up seemed a symbolic turning point in the game. He reminded me of Kevin Van Wijk at that point!
Strong point!
Also, at the point in the game with about 15 minutes left as Krikke was fouled happens to be when the Loyola lead was its largest of 18 points (45-27). From that play on, the game changed. This reminded me of the time Bobby Capobianco was called for an intentional foul and ejected at Detroit, but that play seemed to inspire the team and turned the game from a large lopsided loss to a stunning comeback and a Valpo victory.
you are all forgetting the big item from this game.
one more BIG over:. 1.5 Arch Madness wins.
be honest .. who really took the Over on this one?
Quote from: valpotx on March 07, 2020, 09:04:30 AMQuote from: bbtds on March 07, 2020, 06:51:26 AMQuote from: Valpofamfan on March 07, 2020, 06:23:17 AMAnyone know why mileek only played 14 minutes?
Fouling much too soon. Missing shots. Better play from other players.
Coaching decision by ML to have Kiser as the big, as obviously matching big vs. big wasn't working for us. Genius move that paid off! Also, it is very cool to see all of the former players chime in on the win, and apparently watching: https://twitter.com/RBroekhoff45/status/1236296135569965056 https://twitter.com/Doritykid/status/1236198910810603524 https://twitter.com/TheReal_MG3/status/1236161489125306368 https://twitter.com/CoachEBuggs/status/1236163206218952704
So happy to see all of these guys engaged and following the team even after they are gone! Really reinforces the family ethos that the Valpo program is all about! I love it! Keep it up! Go Valpo! I BELIEVE!
Quote from: JD24 on March 07, 2020, 09:11:02 AM
Quote from: bbtds on March 07, 2020, 06:49:19 AMQuote from: JD24 on March 06, 2020, 11:10:16 PMI hope JFL has some juice left. He looked completely drained and the cumulative effect of mono and the multiple days of games is going to be hard to overcome.
No disrespect to Javon but this team has learned to play without him and win. Always remember and never forget, Valpo beat Missouri State without JFL at the ARC. It takes great efforts from Kiser, Fazekas, Clay, Krikke, Sackey.....etc but as VUGrad1314 has everyone saying by now...........I BELIEVE!!!!!!!!!
The problem is that playing without or with a compromised best player catches up to teams. See the end of this regular season and the end of Alec Peters career as for examples.
Playing those 2 games without JFL was huge for the rest of the team's confidence. We know how to have a good flow with and without him at this point.