Just posted today and includes Richie Edwards?? Can this be right?
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/18112225/transfer-list-first-edition (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/18112225/transfer-list-first-edition)
And Vucic. Guess I should have finished reading before I posted.
interesting... first i've heard, but then again i've been out of the loop since i graduated...
...and the hits just keep on coming.
Not surprised.
The Vucic one not so shocked....Edwards one is strange. Who wants a guy to take up a scholarship for 2 years only to get one year of play time? Taking everything these days with a HUGE grain of salt...the internet is full of people who "have it right" or have "inside sources". I'll believe the transfer stuff and all the Bryce whatnot if and when it hits the valpo athletics site
I will say from everything I've heard in athletics, Edwards is transferring.
i don't like it, but i guess it's not terribly surprising, considering the height coming eligible in fernandez and capobianco.
I guess that it does make sense for Richie if this is true. His playing time will definitely diminish with the others coming into the program, and he was only averaging 17 min/game already. In regards to Vucic, I assume that there is some lesser program he can transfer to (or D-2) where he can make an impact. He made some strides this year, but was not going to factor into anything past this year.
Quote from: valpotx on March 28, 2012, 05:38:14 PM
I guess that it does make sense for Richie if this is true. His playing time will definitely diminish with the others coming into the program, and he was only averaging 17 min/game already. In regards to Vucic, I assume that there is some lesser program he can transfer to (or D-2) where he can make an impact. He made some strides this year, but was not going to factor into anything past this year.
If true, very interesting. It would appear these guys have limited DI options. Both would need to sit a year and have only one year remaining. Also, not sure why either would decide to leave given what next year's team could achieve.
I would be very sorry to see Richie leave. I could see him averaging 20 min a game next year. 10 min backing Ryan at the 3 and 10 min backing Kevin or Capobianco at the 4, if Capobianco would be ahead of him at the 4. His versatility could really create match up headaches as he can take 4 defenders outside and 3 defenders down low. Then he would be the man at the 3 or the 4 his senior year. What a waste it would be for him to sit out a year and then only have one year if he transfers to a Div I school. It would be a waste as well for him to transfer to Div II as he has the skills to play Div I. As for Vucic, most D II schools would love to have a 7 footer for two years, so it makes some sense if he went D II. But for Richie, not so much.
When it was announced that we would be playing at Miami in the NIT, Richie was quoted as saying something about this being the first time that he was happy the whole season. I recall thinking that the comment was somewhat strange, but I dismissed it as meaning he was homesick or something. Now I'm thinking the comment had more meaning than that.
If I counted correctly, WSU has 3 transfers on the list. Weren't some of their fans criticizing us for doing a lousy revruiting job after Logan Jones, Bouchie, Haampa and the German guy left 3 or 4 years ago? Ever since Brownell left, they seem to have a non-stop revolving door of players coming and going.
Without speculating too much, Richie was probably expecting to play many more minutes than he did this year. From afar, he seems to be a guy who wants to be playing 25-30+ minutes each game, and that simply can't happen in our current setup
Quote from: valpotx on March 29, 2012, 02:57:07 AM
Without speculating too much, Richie was probably expecting to play many more minutes than he did this year. From afar, he seems to be a guy who wants to be playing 25-30+ minutes each game, and that simply can't happen in our current setup
It could be something as simple as "it's too cold in the midwest compared to Florida."
Quote from: wh on March 28, 2012, 11:53:36 PM
If I counted correctly, WSU has 3 transfers on the list. Weren't some of their fans criticizing us for doing a lousy revruiting job after Logan Jones, Bouchie, Haampa and the German guy left 3 or 4 years ago? Ever since Brownell left, they seem to have a non-stop revolving door of players coming and going.
We have lost 5 players since Brownell left: Cartharn, Clark, Pritchett, Cuffee, and Balwigaire. Balwigaire is the only guy that made it into WSU's playing rotation and he lost his spot in the rotation at the end of this last season. The national average is 2 transfers per school per year. WSU is averaging 2.5 a year. Not exactly a revolving door. We just got rid of dead weight on our roster. Five players left WSU in the last 2 years. I'm pretty sure none of them left on their own. It was a coaching decision to free up a scholarship. I don't really remember any criticism of Valpo for losing transfers in the past. If anything, I think most of us felt bad for you because you lost quality players like Haanpa and Bouchie that could have made you an even better team.
let's turn the frown upside down for a second...obviously this answers the questions posed by Bryce's remark that they are still seeking someone to fill an open spot, when at last commit (Coleman) our intrepid heroes seemed to have one spot too many.
Who on this transfer list would you like to see suit up for VU? (Realistically speaking...Oriakhi is unlikely, I would think, e.g.)
Even though these transfers leave us a little thin in the frontcourt, when for the first time since ever The World's Tallest Team we looked to be set there next year, I still think we don't necessarily have to seek out someone with immediate eligibility at 4/5 when a three-man combination of Fernandez, Van Wijk, and Capobianco can mean, say 30 min/pg for one of them and 25/pg for the other two. Let's find someone good who doesn't mind sitting out a year when it means a front-row seat to Mayhem on Union Street, who will be ready to lead the post-class of 2013 revival.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 29, 2012, 09:13:32 AMLet's find someone good who doesn't mind sitting out a year when it means a front-row seat to Mayhem on Union Street, who will be ready to lead the post-class of 2013 revival.
Until Kevin gets hurt or Vashil isn't ready to play that much or Capo is as productive as the IU people say he is....we need another big guy who can play now. We thought we were good on guards, but look what happened in the NIT with two guys out ill.
Quote from: sectionee on March 29, 2012, 11:38:56 AMQuote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 29, 2012, 09:13:32 AMLet's find someone good who doesn't mind sitting out a year when it means a front-row seat to Mayhem on Union Street, who will be ready to lead the post-class of 2013 revival.
Until Kevin gets hurt or Vashil isn't ready to play that much or Capo is as productive as the IU people say he is....we need another big guy who can play now. We thought we were good on guards, but look what happened in the NIT with two guys out ill.
Agree. I dont care who you have on the roster, if a REAL big man who can play now is available you do it. Period. Vashil is the only TRUE Center on our roster and no one knows what he is all about. KVW and Bobby are ideally a #4 IMO
Well, that's all well and good--but at this stage in the game, who are you legitimately going to get that can do/be that?
Valpo's been looking for size forever--but so is everyone else (remember that 6'10" Florida JUCO they almost got in Homer's early days? Ralph...um....Zimmerman?...help a brother out. He never ended up here, but the money quote from the article was Homer saying something like "as soon as he had to duck to enter my office, we offered him").
Almost all of the good freshman "gets" have already signed. Almost all of the transfer "bigs" have to sit out a year.
So...that brings us down to:
Koang Duolony, 6-8, F, Jr., Indiana State (will graduate and have one left)
Brendan Lane, 6-9, PF, Jr., UCLA - one year left and can play ASAP
Jeff Neal, 6-7, PF, Sr., Florida A&M (will graduate and have one)
J.T. Thompson, 6-7, F, Sr., Virginia Tech (will try and get a sixth year)
Renaldo Woolridge, 6-9, F, Sr., Tennessee – one year left, can play immediately
...and of course, Oriakhi (presuming the UConn slap stands).
(And any other random person out there that hasn't made the list yet.)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 29, 2012, 01:01:39 PM
Well, that's all well and good--but at this stage in the game, who are you legitimately going to get that can do/be that?
Valpo's been looking for size forever--but so is everyone else (remember that 6'10" Florida JUCO they almost got in Homer's early days? Ralph...um....Zimmerman?...help a brother out. He never ended up here, but the money quote from the article was Homer saying something like "as soon as he had to duck to enter my office, we offered him").
Almost all of the good freshman "gets" have already signed. Almost all of the transfer "bigs" have to sit out a year.
So...that brings us down to:
Koang Duolony, 6-8, F, Jr., Indiana State (will graduate and have one left)
Brendan Lane, 6-9, PF, Jr., UCLA - one year left and can play ASAP
Jeff Neal, 6-7, PF, Sr., Florida A&M (will graduate and have one)
J.T. Thompson, 6-7, F, Sr., Virginia Tech (will try and get a sixth year)
Renaldo Woolridge, 6-9, F, Sr., Tennessee – one year left, can play immediately
...and of course, Oriakhi (presuming the UConn slap stands).
(And any other random person out there that hasn't made the list yet.)
asking for oriakhi is a bit of a stretch. don't get me wrong, i'd love to have him for a year in the 219, but this is a player who had a key role in a national championship team. i just don't see it happening.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 29, 2012, 09:13:32 AMWho on this transfer list would you like to see suit up for VU? (Realistically speaking...Oriakhi is unlikely, I would think, e.g.)
Not to quote myself, but I did say that originally, which is why he didn't get a full listing just now--because I agree wholeheartedly with you. "it'd be nice, but..."
Quote from: vuweathernerd on March 29, 2012, 01:22:38 PMValpo's been looking for size forever--but so is everyone else (remember that 6'10" Florida JUCO they almost got in Homer's early days? Ralph...um....Zimmerman?...help a brother out.
His name was Ralph Simmerman out of New Palestine, IN. I am not sure where he ended up. I would have guessed that was during the Tom Smith era. We also had a 6-11 kid from Elkhart and a think an Arkansas JUCO named Peter Van Dyke that never showed up.
Valpo athletics website now has story on Edwards & Vucic transferring.
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2011-12/11601/edwards-vucic-to-transfer-from-crusader-program/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2011-12/11601/edwards-vucic-to-transfer-from-crusader-program/)
Edwards' reason says "family reasons."
Quote from: IndyValpo on March 29, 2012, 03:02:54 PM
Quote from: vuweathernerd on March 29, 2012, 01:22:38 PMValpo's been looking for size forever--but so is everyone else (remember that 6'10" Florida JUCO they almost got in Homer's early days? Ralph...um....Zimmerman?...help a brother out.
His name was Ralph Simmerman out of New Palestine, IN. I am not sure where he ended up. I would have guessed that was during the Tom Smith era. We also had a 6-11 kid from Elkhart and a think an Arkansas JUCO named Peter Van Dyke that never showed up.
that wasn't me who wrote that, but laporte.
also, per oren and lazerus on twitter, both richie and vucic have been released from their scholarships and will transfer.
Interesting that for Edwards it lists the reason as for family reasons. Maybe he wants/needs to be closer to FL? Hopefully this is the last of our transfers heading into the year! I hope Vucic picks up at a decent D-2 school and continues improving.
Quote from: IndyValpo on March 29, 2012, 03:02:54 PMHis name was Ralph Simmerman out of New Palestine, IN. I am not sure where he ended up. I would have guessed that was during the Tom Smith era. We also had a 6-11 kid from Elkhart and a think an Arkansas JUCO named Peter Van Dyke that never showed up.
Thanks for that! That's good to know some neurons are still firing somewhere. The ghost of John Becher thanks you :)
Yeah, that's a bummer about Edwards, but hey, getting a transfer (and I include JUCO in that) is like getting a date with a hot girl--she's been elsewhere before and she could go elsewhere just as easily. Can't say they didn't warn you :/
Richie carried us in the late stages of the OT victory over Butler. That game set the stage for a great conference season and a sweep over Butler. Thanks Richie for your many contributions to a successful season. Best wishes to both Richie and Vu.
I'm really surprised that Edwards is leaving. The dude had a hell of a February. Wish him luck in the future.
He was no less than exactly what we needed at that time, you're exactly right.
I'm from Valpo, but have been in Southwest Florida for a couple years now, and leaving here is sometimes like going off of a prescription drug...the withdrawals are hard. Just had a brilliant girl leave St. Mary's College and come back here because she couldn't handle not just the cold, but the lack of the sun--I used to think Seasonal Affective Disorder was a made-up thing. That, plus missing family...that's a tough combo.
I guess it would be easy to say it's the most surprising/damaging transfer since...well...Wood. Hope we handle it as well as the other.
It seems that most people believe that Ryan Broekhoff will play mostly the three next year. I don't think that will be the case. Kevin has played exclusively the five. I don't think that will change either. Vashil will get minutes at the five, and Bobby will get minutes at the four and five. Both are solid and ready to contribute. I think Valpo will be the best in the league at those two positions by plenty.
Interesting how the press release was worded..."asked for and granted" for Vucic and "granted ...for family reasons." My guess is that Vucic was this year's Cameron Witt, only they handled it a bit better this year.
Edwards will be a loss, no doubt. He was a player that got better as the year progressed. Family reasons....we will probably never know.
Will Vucic, since he redshirted, have 2 years of eligibility left? Is it possible he returns to Europe?
Any word yet on the eligibility of the two transfers?
Is it possible we are over rating the abilities of our two bigs for next year?
I also concur with the thought that Ryan might not be playing the 3 next year. It worked quite well this year and created mismatch issues. The HL is basically a "skilled, yet small league" with typically one "big" on the floor per team at one time. Not always, but usually.
lowposter
Quote from: chef on March 29, 2012, 05:20:03 PM
It seems that most people believe that Ryan Broekhoff will play mostly the three next year. I don't think that will be the case. Kevin has played exclusively the five. I don't think that will change either. Vashil will get minutes at the five, and Bobby will get minutes at the four and five. Both are solid and ready to contribute. I think Valpo will be the best in the league at those two positions by plenty.
i can see the matchup problems that might cause other teams, but i still think we'd be better off sliding ryan out to the 3, start kevin at 4, and vashil down at the 5. then depending on foul problems, rest, etc., kvw and bobby can put in time at both positions.
Kevin is a much better fit at the five in the Horizon League...both offensively and defensively.
This post needs a new title! I'll definitely miss Edwards. Hopefully Capobianco and Fernandez turn out in spades and I miss him mostly for sentimental reasons.
This news certainly comes as surprising to me. I'm not so sure there was writing on the wall for Richie, since like everyone has been saying he really came on late in the season. And he played pretty well at Miami as well. Family reasons is one thing, but playing time might also play a part in this.
Leaves us I think one extra scholarship, Leke Solanke from MC Marquette is raw, explosive, and big, but I think if we picked him up, we would and should redshirt him a year so he could bulk up a little.
Quote from: valpofan11 on March 29, 2012, 07:42:44 PM
Leaves us I think one extra scholarship, Leke Solanke from MC Marquette is raw, explosive, and big, but I think if we picked him up, we would and should redshirt him a year so he could bulk up a little.
I agree!
An interesting player might be Carson Derossiers, who has transferred from Wake Forest. He is 7', good feet, great passer, has 2 years of ACC experience, terrific student, and would be very good in a motion offense. With a transfer sit out year, he would be ready for post-KVW.
Would the kid from Wake Forest be very explosive though?
The news that Edwards and Vucic are transferring still doesn't answer questions about Kurth. Here is a guard who didn't see time on the floor in an NIT game where two of Valpo's guards were out ill and six exhausted players had to use all the minutes. Even the walk-on Shelton got in games before Kurth.
Is he going to fill a space at the end of a bench and use a scholarship spot again next year or is there some illness that will be resolved by next season? Valpo just recruited two more guards as transfers, which makes Kurth's situation even more puzzling. Bryce needs to answer a reporter's questions about the future of Kurth.
Quote from: valpopal on March 30, 2012, 08:01:00 AM
The news that Edwards and Vucic are transferring still doesn't answer questions about Kurth. Here is a guard who didn't see time on the floor in an NIT game where two of Valpo's guards were out ill and six exhausted players had to use all the minutes. Even the walk-on Shelton got in games before Kurth.
Is he going to fill a space at the end of a bench and use a scholarship spot again next year or is there some illness that will be resolved by next season? Valpo just recruited two more guards as transfers, which makes Kurth's situation even more puzzling. Bryce needs to answer a reporter's questions about the future of Kurth.
Would have been tough for him to see time on the floor against Miami when he wasn't even on the trip.
Quote from: vusupporter on March 30, 2012, 09:10:35 AM
Quote from: valpopal on March 30, 2012, 08:01:00 AM
The news that Edwards and Vucic are transferring still doesn't answer questions about Kurth. Here is a guard who didn't see time on the floor in an NIT game where two of Valpo's guards were out ill and six exhausted players had to use all the minutes. Even the walk-on Shelton got in games before Kurth.
Is he going to fill a space at the end of a bench and use a scholarship spot again next year or is there some illness that will be resolved by next season? Valpo just recruited two more guards as transfers, which makes Kurth's situation even more puzzling. Bryce needs to answer a reporter's questions about the future of Kurth.
Would have been tough for him to see time on the floor against Miami when he wasn't even on the trip.
I knew Harris didn't make the trip, but didn't hear that about Kurth. If Kurth wasn't even on the trip, that adds emphasis to this point and raises further questions.
Quote from: valpopal on March 30, 2012, 08:01:00 AM
The news that Edwards and Vucic are transferring still doesn't answer questions about Kurth. Here is a guard who didn't see time on the floor in an NIT game where two of Valpo's guards were out ill and six exhausted players had to use all the minutes. Even the walk-on Shelton got in games before Kurth.
Is he going to fill a space at the end of a bench and use a scholarship spot again next year or is there some illness that will be resolved by next season? Valpo just recruited two more guards as transfers, which makes Kurth's situation even more puzzling. Bryce needs to answer a reporter's questions about the future of Kurth.
Maybe Bryce feels with the 2 transfers that he has the ability to give Kurth the time he needs to get healthy and actually contribute to an HL winning team. The answers will come. Patience is sometimes a great virtue.
Quote from: valpopal on March 30, 2012, 09:23:17 AMI knew Harris didn't make the trip, but didn't hear that about Kurth. If Kurth wasn't even on the trip, that adds emphasis to this point and raises further questions.
Was this reported, at the time? Checking at least one Valpo-beat story, it was "Harris didn't make the trip, Kenney just barely strong enough to pull out the IV and get on the team bus to O'Hare" with no mention of Kurth.
I would go with Leke, but it probably will not occur....lots of interest from other schools.
The Woolridge player from Tennessee...does anyone know if he is Orlando Wollridge's son? He is immediately eligible and would give us another big.
lowposter.
Yes, he is Orlando's son.
Interesting that even in the same post you spell the last name differently from one sentence to the next. Sorry, had to point that out ;D
Quote from: lowposter on March 30, 2012, 01:14:43 PM
I would go with Leke, but it probably will not occur....lots of interest from other schools.
The Woolridge player from Tennessee...does anyone know if he is Orlando Wollridge's son? He is immediately eligible and would give us another big.
lowposter.
Info on Woolridge from the 2011-2012 Tennessee basketball roster. Yes, he is Orlando's son.
http://www.utsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/woolridge_renaldo00.html (http://www.utsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/woolridge_renaldo00.html)
Great pedigree. certainly would fit in from a scholar-athlete perspective if he's anything like his siblings.
Quote from: chef on March 29, 2012, 06:11:11 PM
Kevin is a much better fit at the five in the Horizon League...both offensively and defensively.
I agree Chef.
I also want to thank Richie for his contributions this year, and wish him good luck where ever he lands.
Just heard Edwards has committed to Arizona State. So much for homesickness as a reason for his transfer.
ASU basketball to land transfer from Valparaiso
Doug Haller
The Republic | azcentral.com
Apr. 19, 2012 03:14 PM
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Richie Edwards, who just completed his junior season at Valparaiso, has decided to transfer to Arizona State.
A 6-foot-7, 220-pound forward, Edwards last season averaged 9.2 points and 3.1 rebounds, shooting 48.5 percent overall and 37.8 from 3-point range (20 of 53.) Playing behind two All-Horizon League selections, he played in 30 games, averaging 17.8 minutes, starting once.
Edwards played just one season at Valparaiso. He played the previous two at Hillsborough Community College in Lakeland, Fla.
He'll have to sit out the 2012-13 season because of NCAA transfer rules.
I wish him well on the transfer, but...is he actually Pac 10 material? I liked his game and he looked like a good HL player, but Pac 10?
lowposter
Quote from: lowposter on April 20, 2012, 07:40:01 AM
I wish him well on the transfer, but...is he actually Pac 10 material? I liked his game and he looked like a good HL player, but Pac 10?
lowposter
Interesting that he must think he will have a better chance at more exposure and playing time at ASU. Maybe it is even more interesting that ASU is willing to try and integrate a player of his caliber with a one year deal. I have a hard time believing that it was primarily for the climate change. Richie contributed and played well for VU, I wish him all the best in his new environment.
Quote from: lowposter on April 20, 2012, 07:40:01 AM
I wish him well on the transfer, but...is he actually Pac 10 material? I liked his game and he looked like a good HL player, but Pac 10?
lowposter
I doubt the ASU coaches are idiots. They seem to think he can contribute otherwise why waste the scholarship. Some of us seem to not realize the quality of play in the Horizon.
I really think the difference between the major conferences and the Horizon is the number of very high quality players. So, for example, Brandon Wood was one of the best in the Horizon and then became a starter at Michigan State. Could he play in the Big Ten? Of course. Was he Dramon Green? Nope. Could Rowdy start at any Big Ten school? I would say yes. Is he a Jared Sullenger? Nope.
If there are 12 teams in the Big Ten (how goofy is that??) and there is an 8 player rotation at each, then there are 96 guys getting playing time. I'm guessing Horizon League guys (certainly not all) could fill at least half of those spots. So our best 50 could play as well as their worst PLAYING guys. Just an opinion.
Quote from: vu72 on April 20, 2012, 08:35:55 AM
Quote from: lowposter on April 20, 2012, 07:40:01 AM
I wish him well on the transfer, but...is he actually Pac 10 material? I liked his game and he looked like a good HL player, but Pac 10?
lowposter
I doubt the ASU coaches are idiots. They seem to think he can contribute otherwise why waste the scholarship. Some of us seem to not realize the quality of play in the Horizon.
I really think the difference between the major conferences and the Horizon is the number of very high quality players. So, for example, Brandon Wood was one of the best in the Horizon and then became a starter at Michigan State. Could he play in the Big Ten? Of course. Was he Dramon Green? Nope. Could Rowdy start at any Big Ten school? I would say yes. Is he a Jared Sullenger? Nope.
If there are 12 teams in the Big Ten (how goofy is that??) and there is an 8 player rotation at each, then there are 96 guys getting playing time. I'm guessing Horizon League guys (certainly not all) could fill at least half of those spots. So our best 50 could play as well as their worst PLAYING guys. Just an opinion.
Not to mention that the Pac-12 was way down last year. Ranked 9th in conference RPI, only 4 spots ahead of the Horizon League.
Arizona State had an RPI rank of 239!! The only teams worse than that in the HL were UIC (298) and Loyola (310).
http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2012/conference/Pac%2012 (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2012/conference/Pac%2012)
Good points all.
But if I were a Pac 10 school, I wouldnt go 2 years of scholarship for 1 year of playing, unless it is an outstanding player. OUTSTANDING. But, then again, I am not coaching at the PAC 10 level (or any level) so I do not realize the talent level.
Quote from: lowposter on April 20, 2012, 01:59:53 PMBut if I were a Pac 10 school, I wouldnt go 2 years of scholarship for 1 year of playing, unless it is an outstanding player. OUTSTANDING. But, then again, I am not coaching at the PAC 10 level (or any level) so I do not realize the talent level.
My point exactly, I don't understand the 1 year of playing time deal. I think that Richie can play at ASU. Is he going to get significantly more or even the same playing time he got at VU? Unless the climate change was just too much for him I don't understand why you would transfer from a place at which you had obviously become an intricate part of the machine.
ASU had an RPI of 239. I'm sure they're thrilled to bring in a player that averaged nearly 10ppg at a top 100 program. I don't think we should get caught up in it being a PAC-10 school. They're program is awful right now.
Arizona State's fans don't seem overly thrilled with the arrival of Edwards:
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=43&f=1681&t=8921274 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=43&f=1681&t=8921274)
Quote from: valpopal on April 20, 2012, 05:07:56 PM
Arizona State's fans don't seem overly thrilled with the arrival of Edwards:
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=43&f=1681&t=8921274 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=43&f=1681&t=8921274)
I posted on their site and tried to clear up a few things. Richie averaged about 15 ppg over the last 10 games including 2 5 pointers. I think they may be surprised by his effectiveness. I wish him well. Obviously he didn't transfer there to be closer to family or Florida. My guess is the weather or a vision of reduced playing time.
Quote from: vu72 on April 20, 2012, 06:02:32 PMRichie averaged about 15 ppg over the last 10 games including 2 5 pointers.
5 pointers are quite rare in today's game! haha
In the following article, Edwards discusses his decision to commit to Arizona State. One part seems a bit strange; he says, ""The coaches told me that they liked the way I shoot the ball and play defense." I can understand the coaches liking his offense, but I don't recall Richie as a very strong defensive player.
http://ucla.scout.com/2/1179335.html (http://ucla.scout.com/2/1179335.html)
He always did a nice job falling over when a guy would drive the lane and pull up for a 6 footer without coming close to making contact with Richie.
Quote from: FWalum on April 20, 2012, 08:02:56 AMInteresting that he must think he will have a better chance at more exposure and playing time at ASU. Maybe it is even more interesting that ASU is willing to try and integrate a player of his caliber with a one year deal. I have a hard time believing that it was primarily for the climate change. Richie contributed and played well for VU, I wish him all the best in his new environment.
Clearly if we had started next season with Richie, Bobby and Vashil all fighting for the 15 left over minutes at the 5 and maybe 18-20 left over minutes at the 4 then most likely none of them would have been very happy. So I think I can understand this move from both Richies and ASUs perspective. Richie could get significant added playing time in exchange for sitting out a year to work on his weaknesses and integrate into the ASU system. ASU wants to get a solid contributor who can score a bunch in a hurry from a lot of different places on the floor. Both might or might not get exactly what they want. Not only did Richies defense and 3 point shooting progress as the year went along but his 2,3 and 4 dribble moves up and down and across the lane improved big time. From my narrow VU fan perspective I realize that the trio of Kevin, Bobby and Vashil should be overall better and more versatile than last years trio of Kevin, Richie and Hrvoje. I am concerned however that Bobby may shoot the 3 much more like Cory Johnson and much less like Richie Edwards thus robbing us of any opportunities of putting 5 three point shooters on the floor at the same time and reducing our ability to even put out 4. We could well lose a couple-3 games next year where a player like Richie might just have made the difference. Hope not, and I too wish him the best future success.
Not a particularly flattering pic of Edwards on the ASU board. Where did they get that one?
ASU hasn't really been a power in men's basketball, and as mentioned by others, the Pac 10 was terrible this last season. Richie will get his bench minutes while there, probably playing a similar role to what he did at Valpo with a few more minutes. His minutes weren't going to change at VU with everyone of importance coming back, while adding another that can play his position. It was a wise move on his part, as he didn't seem happy to be relegated to 15-16 minutes each game. Our team would beat ASU, so he will get to compete a little bit easier.
Quote from: FWalum on April 21, 2012, 12:20:22 AM
Not a particularly flattering pic of Edwards on the ASU board. Where did they get that one?
probably watching too much footage of the game at milwaukee.
Quote from: FWalum on April 21, 2012, 12:20:22 AM
Not a particularly flattering pic of Edwards on the ASU board. Where did they get that one?
If you're talking about the picture of him sitting in a chair, it came from a NWI Times article. http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/edwards-ready-to-display-artwork/article_8c393773-5349-5ad5-b737-e772f505ba74.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/edwards-ready-to-display-artwork/article_8c393773-5349-5ad5-b737-e772f505ba74.html) What's unflattering about it?
Quote from: zvillehaze on April 21, 2012, 08:59:18 AM
Quote from: FWalum on April 21, 2012, 12:20:22 AM
Not a particularly flattering pic of Edwards on the ASU board. Where did they get that one?
If you're talking about the picture of him sitting in a chair, it came from a NWI Times article. http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/edwards-ready-to-display-artwork/article_8c393773-5349-5ad5-b737-e772f505ba74.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/edwards-ready-to-display-artwork/article_8c393773-5349-5ad5-b737-e772f505ba74.html) What's unflattering about it?
I would just like to see an action or game shot rather than that picture with what appears to be a very baggy uniform and sitting in the middle of the floor kind of uninterested.
Vucic will be playing for the Walsh University Cavaliers in North Canton, Ohio.
What division are they?
With the exceptions of Wood last year and Edward this year, most VU transfers over the last 20 years have not gone on to better basketball schools.
NAIA http://www.walsh.edu/2011-12-co-sida-information (http://www.walsh.edu/2011-12-co-sida-information)
but headed to NCAA Div II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walsh_University#Athletics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walsh_University#Athletics)
he'll be D-II his senior year, then.
Quote from: covufan on May 03, 2012, 01:00:15 PMWith the exceptions of Wood last year and Edward this year, most VU transfers over the last 20 years have not gone on to better basketball schools.
I would argue that while ASU is a bigger school with a much larger athletic budget, the basketball program he's going to is not better than VU at the moment. This isn't 1963 or even 1981. They're no better than we are, to wit the hand-wringing on their boards about getting a transfer from VU.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 03, 2012, 01:02:08 PM
NAIA http://www.walsh.edu/2011-12-co-sida-information (http://www.walsh.edu/2011-12-co-sida-information)
but headed to NCAA Div II http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walsh_University#Athletics (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walsh_University#Athletics)
he'll be D-II his senior year, then.
A perfect landing for Hrvoje. Going NAIA this season should give him immediate elligibility and a good chance to log big time minutes and greatly better his game. I would think that this could improve his resume' for the European pro circuit far better than sitting 2 more years near the end of our bench would have done. A project player can not improve without getting the necessary minutes on the floor. I wish him the best, and still think that given where we were when he was signed that he was a longshot risk that was well worth taking.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 03, 2012, 01:05:31 PM
Quote from: covufan on May 03, 2012, 01:00:15 PMWith the exceptions of Wood last year and Edward this year, most VU transfers over the last 20 years have not gone on to better basketball schools.
I would argue that while ASU is a bigger school with a much larger athletic budget, the basketball program he's going to is not better than VU at the moment. This isn't 1963 or even 1981. They're no better than we are, to wit the hand-wringing on their boards about getting a transfer from VU.
By "to wit", do you mean "notwithstanding"?
Yes, even if you have minimal basketball ability, a 7'1" guy will find a pro career somewhere...
No, STL, I do mean "to wit", or "as evidence of this"...
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 03, 2012, 03:46:26 PM
No, STL, I do mean "to wit", or "as evidence of this"...
Then I don't get your point. How could their hand-wringing over getting a transfer from VU be evidence they are no better than we are? I would think it would be evidence of the opposite.
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Then I don't get your point. How could their hand-wringing over getting a transfer from VU be evidence they are no better than we are? I would think it would be evidence of the opposite."Well, people don't transfer up very often, do they? They transfer down because usually what they want is playing time, and they can't find it at the level they are at. Although:
- (At times they transfer to be closer to home, <cough> Bryan Bouchie...) [Quality of Basketball Program Transferring From == Quality of Basketball Program Transferring To]
- (Other times they don't like the new coach, because the old coach might have been their dad--Trey Ziegler, looking right at you.) [Transferring from == transferring to]
- (And rarely they transfer to play "up", to help future considerations, a la B-Wood, to become "the best player at Michigan State"...or Julius Mays these days) [transferring from < transferring to)
- (Occasionally they transfer or stop playing because the coach makes them a Godfather-like offer, like at St. Saban Memorial Hospital in Tuscaloosa. ... Sorry, Brendan Witt.) [transferring from > transferring to]
- (But usually they transfer due to playing time, and wanting more of it. Or any of it. Transferring from > transferring to)
Now, Richie Edwards was transferring from VU to ASU. PT wasn't the only consideration, as we initially thought it was more reason #1. Then he didn't go anywhere near(er) Florida. It can't be reason #2 because Bryce recruited him in the first place. It can't be #3 because it's not like he was setting the league on fire, unless you count the sporadic toreador defense igniting the other team's offense. That taken into account, he was still an excellent enough, indeed, skilled, offensive player so that it wasn't #4. So it was likely #5, especially with two more bigs becoming equal.Therefore, ASU fans were bummed about the transfer because as we have seen, transfers normally imply that the school of origin is superior (e.g. VU > Walsh, even though Bob Huggins used to coach there). One said "Duke and other similar programs do not take guys that are from lower level conferences (like the Horizon League) and were not able to crack the starting lineup. They take guys that were starters on the lower level teams, and usually starring in the conferences."
Another added "our transfers go to lower-level programs to START. Whereas ASU is not even getting a starter from a lower level program."
And finally, "this transfer reflects the state of the program. Capobianco is the IU transfer and when he left that program to go to Valpo, he was a soph and producing ... wait for it ... 1.0 ppg and 1.2 rpg. As Sendek would say this player is going to a lower level program to get more PT, which is fine. But ... Richie feels he's going to get squeezed out at Valpo by this group of players and transfers to ... ASU. ASU has gotten to the point where it is sitting as a "lower level program" to Valpo."
In the end, given that their RPI was 239 last year, and they were 10th in the Pac 12--and 10th the year before, when there were only ten schools that year (yipes), though their history is much better, VU is a superior basketball team lately and for the near future.
VUBB > ASUBB (Although ASU girls >> VU girls. Maybe the transfer chart should have a #6?)
So, hooray for us! Q.E.D.
I got that you were saying we're better than they are. I assumed they think they're better than we are, and the hand-wringing would have been evidence of that, otherwise they would have been happy to get Richie.
Now that you've quoted some of their posts, I can see that one poster actually came to the conclusion you attributed to "they". Chances are more agree with him, I suppose.
Haha, ASU fans are delirious if they are saying 'other similar programs' when referring to them versus Duke. Yes, ASU girls are very much >>>VU
Quote from: valpotx on May 04, 2012, 02:19:16 PMYes, ASU girls are very much >>>VU
That is an understatement! ;D
http://www.thesundevils.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/edwards_richie00.html (http://www.thesundevils.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/edwards_richie00.html)
Apparently Richie has gone Amish.
Wow, he needs to shave that immediately. One of the worst goatees I have ever seen...