25 Under-the-Radar College Basketball Players Who Will Become Superstars (http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1319452-college-basketball-25-under-the-radar-players-who-will-become-superstars/page/6)
A nice list for Rowdy to be included in!
That's wonderful! Thanks for posting this. He deserves all the recognition he gets!
Doesn't everyone wonder how much the pre-Olympic Australian National Team experience may have changed him? I'm a football/soccer guy but do follow basketball closely because it's so integral to being Valpo. From my perspective, he obviously raised his game in 2011-12. Any speculation what 2012-13 has in store for us? [Not to put unreal expectations on the kid].
Totally off the wall observation: Almost very action shot of Rowdy has him smiling -- is there anyone who enjoys the game more?
The guy is a great person as well as being a terrific bball player. He was an honorable all american last year. Obviously, he is going to get the best defender for a guy his size every time out. But here's my take on that: last year we had a bunch of guys who stepped it up, scoring over 20 points. The problem was that they would score 24 one night and 2 the next. Rowdy and Kevin had to bear the brunt of the scoring.
This year we have everybody back and that doesn't mean anyone will be a more consistent scorer, but, we add a very solid shooting big and a guy who was considered one of the best shooters in his class coming out of high school. If they pan out it will be next to impossible to double Ryan. The result? All American, full fledged, this year.
A final thought: Part of why he didn't get more national attention is that he played for a mid-major and just wasn't well known. Now every basketball writer will be aware of him and he won't be an unknown to anyone.
Nice points about adding Capo and Rossi. Those will indeed help Rowdy!
Maybe this is just sour grapes. But I always thought Richie Edwards disrupted our offensive flow even though he did get some clutch points. Addition by subtraction?
I wouldn't be surprised if his numbers dropped a tad just because on paper we have more weapons and Ryan is such an unselfish team first player. I'll throw out a 14 pt, 6 reb, 3 ast per game line for the season. Last season I was begging for him to shoot more and be more selfish at times. Ryan has so many fantastic talents on the court that even when he doesn't shoot 15 times a game he still manages to fill up a box score.
I'm from Boston where unselfish, lunch pail team play (i.e., Celts and Pats -- but not the Sox except for 2004) is regarded as the apex. I hope the rest of the country sees Rowdy in that light. This could be a very good year.
Quote from: vu72 on September 05, 2012, 05:27:45 PMThe result? All American, full fledged, this year.
I'm aware of historyman's ban on any mention of Butler and know how vu72 hates Butler and Hayward, but since the referenced article compared Broekhoff and Hayward, I'll tread into these waters and take my medicine. IMO, using Hayward as a benchmark, it will be very difficult for Ryan to be an "All American, full fledged" as vu72 predicts. I hope it happens, but I also know the history of such things. Hayward was the best player on a team that went 20-0 vs. Horizon League teams, lost only to Minnesota, Clemson, Georgetown, UAB and Duke (by 2 in the National Championship game). He was deemed good enough by NBA scouts to be a lottery pick. He was an honorable mention AP All-American pick with household names like Muhammad El-Amin, Alex Franklin, Marqez Haynes, Reggie Holmes, Garrison Johnson, David Kool and Justin Rutty.
I'm not saying that Broekhoff doesn't or won't deserve an All-American recognition, but for a mid-major kid, the bar has been set pretty high. Isaiah Canaan made 2nd team AA last year, but his team did go 31-2. That's probably another benchmark for Broekhoff to shoot for.
I think Rowdy got his unselfishness from playing with guys like Wood and Johnson, then he was mainly expected to get those two the ball. So he has learned what is like to be a pass first player, which is why he might be a little more unselfish last year and this year than some people would like.
Quote from: zvillehaze on September 05, 2012, 10:38:44 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 05, 2012, 05:27:45 PMThe result? All American, full fledged, this year.
I'm aware of historyman's ban on any mention of Butler and know how vu72 hates Butler and Hayward, but since the referenced article compared Broekhoff and Hayward, I'll tread into these waters and take my medicine. IMO, using Hayward as a benchmark, it will be very difficult for Ryan to be an "All American, full fledged" as vu72 predicts. I hope it happens, but I also know the history of such things. Hayward was the best player on a team that went 20-0 vs. Horizon League teams, lost only to Minnesota, Clemson, Georgetown, UAB and Duke (by 2 in the National Championship game). He was deemed good enough by NBA scouts to be a lottery pick. He was an honorable mention AP All-American pick with household names like Muhammad El-Amin, Alex Franklin, Marqez Haynes, Reggie Holmes, Garrison Johnson, David Kool and Justin Rutty.
I'm not saying that Broekhoff doesn't or won't deserve an All-American recognition, but for a mid-major kid, the bar has been set pretty high. Isaiah Canaan made 2nd team AA last year, but his team did go 31-2. That's probably another benchmark for Broekhoff to shoot for.
haze makes a fair point saying how difficult it will be for Ryan. I certainly don't like Butler but not sure where he got the dislike for Gordon. He was clearly the best player on that team and in many ways his performance and the players that surrounded him may be similar to what Rowdy will have. And no, I'm not going to try to matchup the Hayward/Howard Butler team player for player with this Valpo team.
I'm also not going to go back and try to understand how much publicity Gordon had coming into his final year versus what Ryan is getting. We'll just have to wait to see how it all plays out. Hayward certainly should have been an All American. Happy now Haze??
Quote from: vu72 on September 06, 2012, 06:21:36 AM
haze makes a fair point saying how difficult it will be for Ryan. I certainly don't like Butler but not sure where he got the dislike for Gordon. He was clearly the best player on that team and in many ways his performance and the players that surrounded him may be similar to what Rowdy will have. And no, I'm not going to try to matchup the Hayward/Howard Butler team player for player with this Valpo team.
I'm also not going to go back and try to understand how much publicity Gordon had coming into his final year versus what Ryan is getting. We'll just have to wait to see how it all plays out. Hayward certainly should have been an All American. Happy now Haze??
Sorry for rambling earlier ... just trying to point out the difficulty of getting that sort of national recognition. Winning a lot of games certainly helps a bit. Good luck to Ryan in his senior year.
Quote from: sectionee on September 05, 2012, 07:59:03 PM
I wouldn't be surprised if his numbers dropped a tad just because on paper we have more weapons and Ryan is such an unselfish team first player. I'll throw out a 14 pt, 6 reb, 3 ast per game line for the season. Last season I was begging for him to shoot more and be more selfish at times. Ryan has so many fantastic talents on the court that even when he doesn't shoot 15 times a game he still manages to fill up a box score.
I think you may be right - that his overall numbers might go down. However, I would guess that the number of clutch shots, clutch rebounds, important FTs at the end of the game, etc. will be on our minds during this season.
With so much returning and incoming talent, I wouldn't be surprised if everyone's minutes and points dropped slightly from last year. Valpo's success will just depend on everyone understanding their role and doing it well.
I think -- first of all -- that this is a perfectly valid discussion. Any HL player of the year has a shot to fulfill the ultimate dream. Not necessarily a great shot, but a legitimate shot nonetheless.
That said, I have to chuckle that this discussion was prompted by a blurb in -- of all places -- Bleacher Report. I could probably write a scouting report that would pass muster on that site, and I have no competency in that area.
I know I've said it a couple times on this board before, but it bears repeating:
Friends don't let friends read (or write) for BleacherReport.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on September 13, 2012, 12:58:28 PM
I know I've said it a couple times on this board before, but it bears repeating:
Friends don't let friends read (or write) for BleacherReport.
I'm late to the dance on this one, so I didn't come to this opinion myself, but after I heard it several times, I looked at it with this critique in mind and couldn't really disagree.
After all, the name "Bleacher Report" is kind of a dead giveaway.
While it might not be the most accurate in predictions, at least the Bleacher Report gives me some college basketball stuff to read about over the summer.
Quote from: vubballfan10 on September 15, 2012, 09:04:07 PM
While it might not be the most accurate in predictions, at least the Bleacher Report gives me some college basketball stuff to read about over the summer.
How about "Under the Bleacher Report" by Seymour Butts?
Quote from: vubballfan10 on September 15, 2012, 09:04:07 PM
While it might not be the most accurate in predictions, at least the Bleacher Report gives me some college basketball stuff to read about over the summer.
There are other blogs with college basketball content throughout the summer: Rush The Court, CollegeBasketballTalk just to name two.
http://deadspin.com/5948776/this-is-how-your-bleacher-report-sausage-gets-made?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow (http://deadspin.com/5948776/this-is-how-your-bleacher-report-sausage-gets-made?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)
Quote from: StlVUFan on October 04, 2012, 10:15:04 AM
http://deadspin.com/5948776/this-is-how-your-bleacher-report-sausage-gets-made?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow (http://deadspin.com/5948776/this-is-how-your-bleacher-report-sausage-gets-made?utm_campaign=socialflow_deadspin_twitter&utm_source=deadspin_twitter&utm_medium=socialflow)
Huh?
Stl, I thought you were going to post the secondary link...freaking brilliant SF Chron. plus the comment war is hilarious on the deadspin article.
Damning money quote:
QuoteThe exemplar of contrarian thinking offered within the site's curriculum is a Bleacher Report article titled "Why Tom Brady Is the Most Overrated Quarterback in NFL History."
This piece epitomizes much of what frustrates the site's detractors. The article's author, an affable 19-year-old college sophomore named Zayne Grantham, tells us he still thinks Brady is an overrated "system quarterback" who largely succeeds thanks to his team's capable defenses. (The New England Patriots advanced to the Super Bowl last year with the 31st-ranked defense in terms of passing and overall yardage in a 32-team league.) But even Grantham doesn't believe Brady to be history's most overrated quarterback: "In hindsight, I may not have used that headline. I'll be one of the first to say he's one of the best quarterbacks we've ever seen."
And there you have it: Anyone baited into responding to these hyperbolic stories finds themselves debating a non-starter argument with a teenager from Shreveport who doesn't even buy the premise of his own article.
CBS Sports just came out with their Top 100 college basketball players and...no Broekhoff :(. However Ray McCallum Jr. was #49.
For my own comparison, Gary Harris (freshman Mich St) was #75. I would take Harris over Ryan, but that means Ryan would have cracked the top 100.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/storylist/20512719/2/2012-13-college-basketball-previews/cbssportscoms-top-100-players (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/storylist/20512719/2/2012-13-college-basketball-previews/cbssportscoms-top-100-players)
Quote from: milanmiracle on October 10, 2012, 02:14:01 PM
CBS Sports just came out with their Top 100 college basketball players and...no Broekhoff :(. However Ray McCallum Jr. was #49.
For my own comparison, Gary Harris (freshman Mich St) was #75. I would take Harris over Ryan, but that means Ryan would have cracked the top 100.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/storylist/20512719/2/2012-13-college-basketball-previews/cbssportscoms-top-100-players (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/storylist/20512719/2/2012-13-college-basketball-previews/cbssportscoms-top-100-players)
The notion that an incoming freshman, other than perhaps 10 kids, will have a bigger impact than Rowdy is just silly. Perhaps ten--maybe--should be included but none have actually played at this level. On the other hand, Rowdy won honorable mention all american honors, which put him in what? The top 100 LAST year? So how many of those kids graduated? Who ever wrote the article has no knowledge of less than major conference players and/or major conference recruits.
Quote from: vu72 on October 10, 2012, 07:12:26 PM
Quote from: milanmiracle on October 10, 2012, 02:14:01 PM
CBS Sports just came out with their Top 100 college basketball players and...no Broekhoff :(. However Ray McCallum Jr. was #49.
For my own comparison, Gary Harris (freshman Mich St) was #75. I would take Harris over Ryan, but that means Ryan would have cracked the top 100.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/storylist/20512719/2/2012-13-college-basketball-previews/cbssportscoms-top-100-players (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/storylist/20512719/2/2012-13-college-basketball-previews/cbssportscoms-top-100-players)
The notion that an incoming freshman, other than perhaps 10 kids, will have a bigger impact than Rowdy is just silly. Perhaps ten--maybe--should be included but none have actually played at this level. On the other hand, Rowdy won honorable mention all american honors, which put him in what? The top 100 LAST year? So how many of those kids graduated? Who ever wrote the article has no knowledge of less than major conference players and/or major conference recruits.
As a general rule I agree with what you are saying, and I believe Ryan should have cracked the top 100. Not sure who you would take out, but Ryan should have made it based on last year alone.
I think it's telling though that Ray McCallum was the preseason player of the year, dispite the reigning champ still being eligible for the award. My guess is Ryan wins the award this year as Valpo will finish the regular season with a better record, and he's less prone to the ups and downs.
That said, Gary Harris is a top 10 freshman (or very close)
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/102653/gary-harris (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/102653/gary-harris)
CBSSports.com Top 50 wings
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/20669899 (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/20669899)
:clap:
QuoteCBSSports.com Top 50 wings
I don't see how they could have left out Buffalo's Anchor Bar...
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on October 24, 2012, 09:44:04 PMI don't see how they could have left out Buffalo's Anchor Bar...
You do mean Anchor Bar's Buffalo Wings? :lol: :lol: :lol:
thank you, thank you (bows) : )
Another list from CBS.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/20695545?DB_OEM_ID=22500 (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/20695545?DB_OEM_ID=22500)
Ryan ranked No. 28 in Goodman's Preseason Top 50 Shooters:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/20751921 (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/20751921)
Quote from: wh on October 30, 2012, 01:29:05 PM
Ryan ranked No. 28 in Goodman's Preseason Top 50 Shooters:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/20751921 (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/20751921)
While the list is arbitrary, I'd take Jordan Hulls over all of them, and in my mind it's not close. The last guy I saw who could shoot like that was Alford. What I love about Hulls is he can shoot off the dribble, off curls, off screens or catch and shoot. You have a lot of guys who can do some of those things, but very few can do all of them. Hulls biggest problem is his height and his ability to create his own shot. He got better at creating his own shot as the year went on. I can't wait to see what he does this year...
Quote from: wh on October 30, 2012, 01:29:05 PM
Ryan ranked No. 28 in Goodman's Preseason Top 50 Shooters:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/20751921 (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/20751921)
Of note...3 of the top 10 are originally from Indiana. Jordan Hulls, Scott Wood, and Kellen Dunham
Good to see Ryan getting the national publicity. Doesn't someone here think to rank a kid #9 (Dunham), before he even shoots a three in competition, is either (a) premature or (b) a bit high? Interesting, too, that the Bulldogs get two in the top ten, but are, from what I think I saw in another posting, picked 6th (?) in the A-10. UPDATE: Valpopal noted one more recent prediction having BU in a tie for #1 in the A-10.
Ryan ranked among the top-20 small forwards by NBC Sports:
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/31/position-rankings-the-20-best-small-forwards/ (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/10/31/position-rankings-the-20-best-small-forwards/)
Quote from: VULB#62 on October 31, 2012, 08:06:39 AM
Good to see Ryan getting the national publicity. Doesn't someone here think to rank a kid #9 (Dunham), before he even shoots a three in competition, is either (a) premature or (b) a bit high? Interesting, too, that the Bulldogs get two in the top ten, but are, from what I think I saw in another posting, picked 6th (?) in the A-10. UPDATE: Valpopal noted one more recent prediction having BU in a tie for #1 in the A-10.
I don't think ranking Dunham that high is all that far off. He lead the state of Indiana in scoring and free throw shooting as a senior. He was one of the best shooters in Indiana in awhile. I have heard he routinely beats Clarke in shooting contests in practice. Granted practice isn't a game, but it gives you some idea.
Hasn't Butler had a few "leading the State of Indiana in shooting" types before? Just curiuous.
Quote from: VULB#62 on October 31, 2012, 08:06:39 AM
Good to see Ryan getting the national publicity. Doesn't someone here think to rank a kid #9 (Dunham), before he even shoots a three in competition, is either (a) premature or (b) a bit high? Interesting, too, that the Bulldogs get two in the top ten, but are, from what I think I saw in another posting, picked 6th (?) in the A-10. UPDATE: Valpopal noted one more recent prediction having BU in a tie for #1 in the A-10.
Sounds a little like President Obama being awarded the Nobel Peace Price before he accomplished anything.
Quote from: vu72 on October 10, 2012, 07:12:26 PM
Quote from: milanmiracle on October 10, 2012, 02:14:01 PM
CBS Sports just came out with their Top 100 college basketball players and...no Broekhoff :(. However Ray McCallum Jr. was #49.
For my own comparison, Gary Harris (freshman Mich St) was #75. I would take Harris over Ryan, but that means Ryan would have cracked the top 100.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/storylist/20512719/2/2012-13-college-basketball-previews/cbssportscoms-top-100-players (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/storylist/20512719/2/2012-13-college-basketball-previews/cbssportscoms-top-100-players)
The notion that an incoming freshman, other than perhaps 10 kids, will have a bigger impact than Rowdy is just silly. Perhaps ten--maybe--should be included but none have actually played at this level. On the other hand, Rowdy won honorable mention all american honors, which put him in what? The top 100 LAST year? So how many of those kids graduated? Who ever wrote the article has no knowledge of less than major conference players and/or major conference recruits.
ATLANTA -- Keith Appling scored 19 points, including a brilliant drive with 13.5 seconds left, and No. 21 Michigan State rebounded from a season-opening loss with a 67-64 upset of No. 7 Kansas on Tuesday night.
The Jayhawks (1-1) led 59-54 with 5 minutes remaining, showing signs of taking control in a game that was tight all the way.
But Michigan State (1-1) rebounded behind its brilliant guards.
Freshman Gary Harris scored 18 points, including back-to-back baskets that sparked an 8-0 run. Down the stretch, it was all Appling.
He confused the Kansas defense playing off a screen, winding up with an open 3-pointer with 1:35 remaining that pushed Michigan State to a 65-61 lead. Ben McLemore converted a three-point play, but Travis Releford missed a potential tying 3 at the buzzer.
I want to make it clear, this is not a knock on Ryan in any way, but Gary Harris is the real deal. He is one of the best players as a true freshman on a top 25 team expected to challenge for a Big Ten title. He's got legitimate NBA aspirations.
I'd just like to state the Ryan took 12 shots to score his 20 points while it took another HLPOY candidate 23 shots to score 21 points. Ryan is te definition of efficiency on the basketball court.
Quote from: HC on November 13, 2012, 09:49:52 PM
I'd just like to state the Ryan took 12 shots to score his 20 points while it took another HLPOY candidate 23 shots to score 21 points. Ryan is te definition of efficiency on the basketball court.
So true... Watched them both in the ESPN Marathon - I would way rather have Ryan.... (But have to say that Detroit looked good.)
Quote(But have to say that Detroit looked good.)
Detroit looked like... uhm... Detroit, athletic, erratic and unable to run half court sets when they needed to be disciplined. In free wheeling fast full court games they excell but when it comes down to the last five minutes of a fairly tight game they often come up empty like today.
Quote from: Smj on November 13, 2012, 11:06:37 PM
Quote from: HC on November 13, 2012, 09:49:52 PM
I'd just like to state the Ryan took 12 shots to score his 20 points while it took another HLPOY candidate 23 shots to score 21 points. Ryan is te definition of efficiency on the basketball court.
So true... Watched them both in the ESPN Marathon - I would way rather have Ryan.... (But have to say that Detroit looked good.)
Me too...mostly because I think McCallum is an...(nicer word) jerk.
Ryan named a Horizon League Player of the Week, Bobby listed as one of the Top Newcomers of the Week:
http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/valpos-broekhoff-uics-talton-crittle-collect-weekly-honors.html (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/valpos-broekhoff-uics-talton-crittle-collect-weekly-honors.html)
Quote from: valpopal on November 26, 2012, 10:59:18 AM
Ryan named a Horizon League Player of the Week, Bobby listed as one of the Top Newcomers of the Week:
http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/valpos-broekhoff-uics-talton-crittle-collect-weekly-honors.html (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/valpos-broekhoff-uics-talton-crittle-collect-weekly-honors.html)
I would think that Bobby will win the newcomer of the week award a few times this season
Watching Ryan is like the beauty of Fall. Sadly, unlike years past, when all the leaves are gone they won't be back. Better soak it in while we can.
Some good news to celebrate!
Ryan has been named Horizon League Player of the Week, and Bobby has been named one of the top Newcomers of the Week once again. Ryan has already been the conference Player of the Week two times, and he has to be the early leading contender for the conference Player of the Year once more despite the preseason polls.
"Shooting 55.6 percent from the floor and 50 percent from three-point range, Broekhoff holds an offensive rating of 124.3, per Ken Pomeroy. Among players used between 24 and 28 percent of possessions, Broekhoff's rating is the 12th-best in the nation. At 17.4 points per game and 7.3 rebounds per game, Broekhoff is tied for second in scoring and is third in rebounding in the Horizon League."
http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/valpos-broekhoff-detroits-howard-jr-earn-mens-basketball-weekly-honors.html (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/valpos-broekhoff-detroits-howard-jr-earn-mens-basketball-weekly-honors.html)
Quote from: wh on November 26, 2012, 02:30:57 PM
Watching Ryan is like the beauty of Fall. Sadly, unlike years past, when all the leaves are gone they won't be back. Better soak it in while we can.
And I repeat...
Not surprisingly, Ryan has been named the Horizon League Player of the Week again, his third time this year:
Broekhoff carried the Crusaders in both games, posting 21 points and 10 rebounds in Valpo's win at UIC. The senior's jumper in the lane with 2:23 to play put Valparaiso ahead for good, breaking a 61-61 tie. Finishing the game 7-of-13 from the floor, Broekhoff went 3-of-6 from three-point range.
In Saturday's win, Broekhoff knocked down a career-high seven three-pointers, the first coming four seconds into the game, giving Valparaiso a lead it would never relinquish. With a 0.615 efficiency-per-possession rating, Broekhoff dominated the contest with 26 points and 10 rebounds, giving him a Horizon League-leading five double-doubles on the year.
The reigning Horizon League Player of the Year, Broekhoff sits second in the Horizon League with a 17.0 points per game average, leading the League with 8.3 rebounds per game. Broekhoff is second in both free-throw percentage (90.3) and three-point percentage (47.0). Nationally, Broekhoff's 128.0 offensive rating is 30th, per Ken Pomeroy, while his 67.4 true-shooting percentage is 18th.
http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/valpos-broekhoff-csus-forbes-notch-weekly-awards.html (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/valpos-broekhoff-csus-forbes-notch-weekly-awards.html)
If he keeps this up, there is no way Ray wins POY over Rowdy (unless we choke as a team...knock on wood). I vote Ray Jr for POSOY though!
3 POW awards in the 1st 10 weeks - Wow!
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Don't miss Paul Oren's very fine extensive Times article on Ryan. It is available only online. The print version is much shorter.
http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/star-on-the-horizon-the-ryan-broekhoff-story/article_59ede56e-64fd-11e2-b27a-0019bb2963f4.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/star-on-the-horizon-the-ryan-broekhoff-story/article_59ede56e-64fd-11e2-b27a-0019bb2963f4.html)
Thanks for the link. The mobile version of NWI is running the print version too. Disappointing...it's like comparing the EP/single release with the LP/album release.
However, also disappointing is "Homer and Bryce Drew poured over the video"...what did they pour? (Foster's, probably)
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and Homer supposedly using the word "deceivious"...which...erm...
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Rowdy "taking the reigns"...
Note to NWI: Just because you publish something online-only, it doesn't absolve you from having to edit it.
As other evidence of Rowdy's growth, I've got a couple .mp3 links at the bottom of this post giving some love to my former employer, WVUR. We've had annual Valpo sports award shows, and we gave Ryan our 2010 Reserve of the Year award following his freshman year and our 2012 Valpo Athletics MVP award as a junior. Not only does the first clip briefly detail the origin of his "Rowdy" nickname, but you can hear the change and confidence that has grown over the past few years.
http://www.valpo.edu/student/wvur/media/podcast/050210Reserve.MP3 (http://www.valpo.edu/student/wvur/media/podcast/050210Reserve.MP3)
http://www.valpo.edu/student/wvur/media/podcast/051312-Player.mp3 (http://www.valpo.edu/student/wvur/media/podcast/051312-Player.mp3)
Another great indication of the types of athletes Valpo attracts. Do you see Ray Jr being this humble? Absolutely not...
Thanks Apostle. I missed those two. Probably a product of staring at a computer screen for five hours. Yes, Homer did say "deceivious."
Quote from: valpopal on January 23, 2013, 11:16:39 AMDon't miss Paul Oren's very fine extensive Times article on Ryan. It is available only online. The print version is much shorter.
http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/star-on-the-horizon-the-ryan-broekhoff-story/article_59ede56e-64fd-11e2-b27a-0019bb2963f4.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/star-on-the-horizon-the-ryan-broekhoff-story/article_59ede56e-64fd-11e2-b27a-0019bb2963f4.html)
Fantastic piece! Very high quality, and clearly a lot of leg work (interviews with multiple past teammates, ex-coaches, parents, etc.) A great tribute to a high quality basketball player and a fine young man, and hopefully only a preview of things to come in this season and the future.
Thanks for bringing it to our attention. I read the print version last night, online, and probably wouldn't have seen this version for ages.
I'm very tolerant of the copy editing issues in the online piece - for a small paper I can imagine that it very well might _not_ have been released if there was a requirement that it go through the usual editorial process.
The print version left me pretty unsatisfied. As a game day piece it... maybe mentioned Green Bay only in the side bar? As a reflection on Broekhoff it seemed to... end rather abruptly. (But, as with the editing issues online, I'm equally tolerant of what seem to me editing flows in the print version. I can well imagine they had to decide what to do with the long piece on short notice. Room for all of it? If not, how to hack it down? If the alternative was for it to go permanently into the files - the circular file? - I'm glad they printed the rough edit.)
The complete version is no kind of game preview, but a great reflection.
Nobody blames the writer, PGM (or should) ... that's on the editor (and a source making up words is a traveshamockery).
Bob Odenkirk - Miller Lite's "President of Beers" ad #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9-huLRWFRQ#)
(http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/64368_4Jw4AWLl62Zh4QB.jpg)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 23, 2013, 01:31:37 PM
Nobody blames the writer, PGM (or should) ... that's on the editor (and a source making up words is a traveshamockery).
Bob Odenkirk - Miller Lite's "President of Beers" ad #1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9-huLRWFRQ#)
(http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/64368_4Jw4AWLl62Zh4QB.jpg)
Apostle, I think this picture with the wording is clearly over the line. It more that infers that a black athlete would not be able to use proper English or simply settles for getto eze. I understand the attempt at humor and, ( I hate to give you encouragement) most of your stuff is pretty funny, just not this one.
Another piece on Broekhoff from the Horizon League website: http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/big-game-small-ego-broekhoff-fuels-valpos-success.html (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/big-game-small-ego-broekhoff-fuels-valpos-success.html)
Dude, I know you're old, but guess what? that's how memes work: misspellings and liberal use of grammer (not "getto eze", by which I can only assume you meant something like "ghettoese", if that even existed). I did the same to Rowdy earlier this week.
(http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/6027_rREiM7t0lyATiGW.jpg)
In fact, I do it all the time.
(http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/8326_XUD8UjAau4x2ruJ.jpg)
Perhaps your delicate sensibilities should have been inflamed by similar "mistreatment" of an immigrant...although I also did the same to Kenney, and you didn't complain. Maybe because he's a white male American, I don't know.
(http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/63768_wDi0WjWia6M6Bcr.jpg)
Here's a website (and a clue): http://cheezburger.com (http://cheezburger.com/6972552704)
Oh, and from the longer NWI Times piece... "Buggy"? Really?
Ryan is known as Rowdy. Erik is known as Buggy. Everyone on the team calls him Buggy. Lavonte is known as Te.
Better than the alternatives, I suppose...
(http://ia.media-imdb.com/images/M/MV5BMTc5MDk4OTg4OF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwMzg4MTkzMQ@@._V1._SY317_CR3,0,214,317_.jpg)
Quote from: agibson on January 23, 2013, 02:05:21 PM
Oh, and from the longer NWI Times piece... "Buggy"? Really?
Ryan calls Buggs "Buggy" all the time.
Ryan is probably the most well-spoken basketball player, ever, and is great at breaking down what happened on the floor during a post-game press conference.
Don't blame Paul Oren for the story lengths. The newspaper business is changing and what you see in print will vary greatly from what will potentially be published on-line. We need to embrace change. :)
Quote from: Valpo89 on January 23, 2013, 02:18:44 PMDon't blame Paul Oren for the story lengths.
I think the only blame is given to the Times for cheaping out on an awesome piece.
Quote from: Pgmado on January 23, 2013, 02:17:20 PM
Ryan is known as Rowdy. Erik is known as Buggy. Everyone on the team calls him Buggy. Lavonte is known as Te.
Man. This is what happens when your basketball team is born in the 90's, I guess.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 23, 2013, 02:03:47 PM
Dude, I know you're old, but guess what? that's how memes work: misspellings and liberal use of grammer (not "getto eze", by which I can only assume you meant something like "ghettoese", if that even existed). I did the same to Rowdy earlier this week.
(http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/6027_rREiM7t0lyATiGW.jpg)
In fact, I do it all the time.
(http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/8326_XUD8UjAau4x2ruJ.jpg)
Perhaps your delicate sensibilities should have been inflamed by similar "mistreatment" of an immigrant...although I also did the same to Kenney, and you didn't complain. Maybe because he's a white male American, I don't know.
(http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/63768_wDi0WjWia6M6Bcr.jpg)
Here's a website (and a clue): http://cheezburger.com (http://cheezburger.com/6972552704)
Look, I may be old but I can still kick your a--. Call it what you want, but it was in bad taste.
And "an immigrant" really? To my knowledge Rowdy has no present ideas of settling permanantly in the US. Check the definition.
Quote from: valpotx on January 14, 2013, 11:37:36 AMIf he keeps this up, there is no way Ray wins POY over Rowdy (unless we choke as a team...knock on wood). I vote Ray Jr for POSOY though!
By knock on wood, did you mean it literally? http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=310552674 (http://espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=310552674)
Quote from: vu72 on January 23, 2013, 03:51:36 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 23, 2013, 02:03:47 PM
Dude, I know you're old, but guess what? that's how memes work: misspellings and liberal use of grammer (not "getto eze", by which I can only assume you meant something like "ghettoese", if that even existed). I did the same to Rowdy earlier this week.
(http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/6027_rREiM7t0lyATiGW.jpg)
In fact, I do it all the time.
(http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/8326_XUD8UjAau4x2ruJ.jpg)
Perhaps your delicate sensibilities should have been inflamed by similar "mistreatment" of an immigrant...although I also did the same to Kenney, and you didn't complain. Maybe because he's a white male American, I don't know.
(http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/63768_wDi0WjWia6M6Bcr.jpg)
Here's a website (and a clue): http://cheezburger.com (http://cheezburger.com/6972552704)
Look, I may be old but I can still kick your a--. Call it what you want, but it was in bad taste.
And "an immigrant" really? To my knowledge Rowdy has no present ideas of settling permanantly in the US. Check the definition.
We all just need to settle down. The racism accusations are not needing to be applied here. As Apostle mentioned, he has done that on several other people's memes, whether they are white or non-white. The language he is using comes from the website he quoted, which is the IHazCheezburger site, or something to that effect. It has been around for several years now, and is basically people putting 'cutesy' words to things cats/animals do. I think the racism accusation gets thrown around WAY too much, that the general populace has become hypersensitive to ANYTHING that could be considered as such. This coming from an HR Manager as well.
Quote from: vusupporter on January 23, 2013, 02:02:42 PM
Another piece on Broekhoff from the Horizon League website: http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/big-game-small-ego-broekhoff-fuels-valpos-success.html (http://www.horizonleague.org/blog/big-game-small-ego-broekhoff-fuels-valpos-success.html)
I love that he hints at the disrespect that Detroit showed last year after their win/at the end of the game, without really saying it. A much more humble guy than I would have been at that age...
Quote from: valpotx on January 23, 2013, 04:17:31 PMThe racism accusations are not needing to be applied here.
My thoughts exactly. Thanks, man.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 23, 2013, 04:45:36 PM
Quote from: valpotx on January 23, 2013, 04:17:31 PMThe racism accusations are not needing to be applied here.
My thoughts exactly. Thanks, man.
I agree. But I would keep my eye out for '72 if he ever goes to Florida. ;)
Dude, if living in Florida has taught me anything, it's that the old men that say "i'm old but i could still kick your ass" are actually not the ones to worry about. It's the ones that have the Clint Eastwood look but don't say anything that you have to steer clear of.
(Although I do worry about the ones that are so sure their vocabulary is superior that they miss the fact that you were mocking them with a very intentional choice of words.)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 23, 2013, 10:06:43 PMDude
Whats with this constant use of the title "dude" when addressing people on the forum?
Recent thing, it seems, (dude) ... it can be found 9 times in my last 15 posts (although only 4 times in the vocative case) but 0 in the 35 before that.
I'll leave it to HC to crunch the DPP (dudes per post) numbers, but I'm confident my recent spurt will have me among the conference leaders.
Dude.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 23, 2013, 10:52:07 PM
Recent thing, it seems, (dude) ... it can be found 9 times in my last 15 posts (although only 4 times in the vocative case) but 0 in the 35 before that.
I'll leave it to HC to crunch the DPP (dudes per post) numbers, but I'm confident my recent spurt will have me among the conference leaders.
Dude.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=hnLweMNQoiE&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhnLweMNQoiE (http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=hnLweMNQoiE&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhnLweMNQoiE)
Or
http://www.youtube.com/#/watch?v=hnLweMNQoiE&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhnLweMNQoiE (http://www.youtube.com/#/watch?v=hnLweMNQoiE&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DhnLweMNQoiE)
(http://www.broadbenterprise.com/images/lebowski-dude.gif)
ABIDETH
The dude abides, awesome movie
i love reading these types of back-and-forth type convos, especially when funny quotes or pictures make appearances. thank you all. :)
An Australian perspective on on Broekhoff
http://www.backpagelead.com.au/basketball/8595-broekhoff-goes-off-like-a-pot-of-popcorn (http://www.backpagelead.com.au/basketball/8595-broekhoff-goes-off-like-a-pot-of-popcorn)
A few factual errors, but an interesting read.
Anyone know who won the HL player of the week award each week so far?
Rowdy has won POTW honors a season-high four times
Nov. 12 ..................................... Keifer Sykes, Green Bay
Nov. 19 ................... Kendrick Perry,Youngstown State
Nov. 26 .................................Ryan Broekhoff,Valparaiso
................................................. Gary Talton, UIC
Dec. 3................................... Cole Darling, Wright State
Dec. 10 .................................Ryan Broekhoff,Valparaiso
Dec. 17 ..............................................Daniel Barnes, UIC
Dec. 24 ..................................... Keifer Sykes, Green Bay
Dec. 31 .......................................Ray McCallum, Detroit
Jan. 7 ........................ Kendrick Perry,Youngstown State
Jan. 14....................................Ryan Broekhoff,Valparaiso
Jan. 21..................................... Kevin Van Wijk,Valparaiso
Jan. 28......................................... Alec Brown, Green Bay
Feb. 4 ........................................ Nick Minnerath, Detroit
Feb. 11...................................Ryan Broekhoff,Valparaiso
Feb. 18...................................... Nick Minnerath, Detroit
....................................... Keifer Sykes, Green Bay
Feb. 25..........................................Paris Gulley, Milwaukee
LMGTFY
...
dangit kleiny
Thanks! I asked in this thread because I really want to see Ryan get recognized a player of the year.
Can someone explain why Ray would even be in the running for player of the year when he only recieved player of the week once?
Hopefully Ryan has amazing games for his last two regular season games and can lock up player of the year.
Quote from: KL31NY on February 24, 2013, 05:20:15 PMRowdy has won POTW honors a season-high four times
One more would tie him with Norris Cole and two others for "most ever in a single season", and get him on the top list (many-way tie for 12th, perhaps) for "most in career".
Quote from: Smj on February 24, 2013, 07:41:47 PMCan someone explain why Ray would even be in the running for player of the year when he only recieved player of the week once?
Ryan got player of the year last year without winning player of the week once. Player of the week tends to be about having one (or better two) season-high type games.
via ValpoAthletics
Broekhoff Named Finalist for Lou Henson Award
Valparaiso senior forward Ryan Broekhoff (Frankston, Victoria, Australia/Australian Institute of Sport) was named Monday as one of 25 finalists for the Lou Henson Award, which honors the top mid-major player in college basketball. Fans can participate in the fan vote, which accounts for one-third of the final vote, by visiting VoteLouHenson.com (http://votelouhenson.com).
Quote from: KL31NY on February 25, 2013, 10:04:21 AM
via ValpoAthletics
Broekhoff Named Finalist for Lou Henson Award
Valparaiso senior forward Ryan Broekhoff (Frankston, Victoria, Australia/Australian Institute of Sport) was named Monday as one of 25 finalists for the Lou Henson Award, which honors the top mid-major player in college basketball. Fans can participate in the fan vote, which accounts for one-third of the final vote, by visiting VoteLouHenson.com (http://votelouhenson.com).
Already voted!
Quote from: valpopal on February 25, 2013, 10:12:13 AM
Quote from: KL31NY on February 25, 2013, 10:04:21 AM
via ValpoAthletics
Broekhoff Named Finalist for Lou Henson Award
Valparaiso senior forward Ryan Broekhoff (Frankston, Victoria, Australia/Australian Institute of Sport) was named Monday as one of 25 finalists for the Lou Henson Award, which honors the top mid-major player in college basketball. Fans can participate in the fan vote, which accounts for one-third of the final vote, by visiting VoteLouHenson.com (http://votelouhenson.com).
Already voted!
Make that another vote for Ryan!!
Quote from: vufan75 on February 25, 2013, 11:04:01 AMQuote from: valpopal on February 25, 2013, 10:12:13 AMQuote from: KL31NY on February 25, 2013, 10:04:21 AMvia ValpoAthletics Broekhoff Named Finalist for Lou Henson Award Valparaiso senior forward Ryan Broekhoff (Frankston, Victoria, Australia/Australian Institute of Sport) was named Monday as one of 25 finalists for the Lou Henson Award, which honors the top mid-major player in college basketball. Fans can participate in the fan vote, which accounts for one-third of the final vote, by visiting VoteLouHenson.com (http://votelouhenson.com).
Already voted!
Make that another vote for Ryan!!
I voted 3 times. I might go back and throw some more in later.
Some competition, for sure.
Doug McDermott
Ray McCallum
Nate Wolters
Matthew Dellavedova
The rules say one vote per email address. So, it doesn't seem like it's one of the "once a day" voting games.
But, the site doesn't seem very tightly designed, nor the rules, frankly, very tightly written. You have to "Like" them on facebook. Then you have to enter an email address and a name. But, it doesn't seem to do anything with the email address? It does mention that "irregular" votes will be invalid.
But, it's not very clear on what that means.
It would be easy for them to delete multiple entries per email address. It would be easy for them to delete multiple entries from the same name (though that's not in the rules).
Less clear are google-style multiple email addresses (myname@gmail.com, my.name@gmail.com, my..name@gmail.com). Will those be declared irregular?
So, vote once, for sure! (I did.) It's a little less clear how many times you should vote, and under what circumstances.
Making this 1/3 of the vote doesn't particularly endear me to this Lou Henson award...
Quote from: agibson on February 25, 2013, 01:09:25 PMBut, the site doesn't seem very tightly designed, nor the rules, frankly, very tightly written. You have to "Like" them on facebook. Then you have to enter an email address and a name. But, it doesn't seem to do anything with the email address? It does mention that "irregular" votes will be invalid.
yeah...thought it was strange that i had to agree to several facebook permissions, but oh well. I filled in all of my email addresses and voted for Ryan.
My vote is in for Rowdy.
My vote is in!
Fan voting results thus far for Lou Henson Mid-Majors Player of the Year:
Top 10 Vote-Getters:
Ian Clark, Belmont - 406 votes
Jake Cohen, Davidson - 402 votes
Billy Baron, Canisius - 402 votes
Tommy Brenton, Stony Brook - 361 votes
Ryan Broekhoff, Valparaiso - 323 votes
Jackie Carmichael, Illinois State - 288 votes
Jerelle Benimon, Towson - 262 votes
Zeke Marshall, Akron - 254 votes
D.J. Cooper, Ohio - 250 votes
Isaiah Canaan, Murray State - 246 votes
Go to VOTELOUHENSON.com to cast a vote!
The latest from the Point 3 site is below. Ryan can use our help and he deserves it.
Top 10 Vote-Getters:
Billy Baron, Canisius - 928 votes
Jake Cohen, Davidson - 856 votes
Jerelle Benimon, Towson - 650 votes
Ian Clark, Belmont - 588 votes
Tommy Brenton, Stony Brook - 574 votes
Juan'ya Green, Niagara - 538 votes
Isaiah Canaan, Murray State - 484 votes
Ryan Broekhoff, Valparaiso - 448 votes
Zeke Marshall, Akron - 444 votes
Tyler Haws, BYU - 364 votes
Trying to get your guy the award? Forward this email to all your people or have them go to VOTELOUHENSON.com to cast their own vote!
Anyone who sees most of the VU games think Rowdy has a shot at the NBA? I've just seen 4 games in person the last 2 years and 3 of them have to be among his best (Saturday - Green Bay, earlier this year at Milwaukee and last year Horizon Tournament vs. Butler). Also, how does Rowdy match up vs. Barton from 02? Thanks
Rowdy may get invited to some camps, but won't get drafted. He has the skill set to play in the NBA, but he has to learn to create his own shot more at that level. He has started to do it more this year, so he can definitely get to that point. A worst case scenario is that he will be a highly successful top player in some of the top European leagues, just as Lubos has been. He is one of those 'fill the stat sheet' guys that teams like to have. I see both Lubos and Rowdy as the same type of player, and am highly impressed by both. I think that Rowdy compares favorably to Jae Crowder, who is on the Mavs. I say this having been to several games this year, and thinking that Ryan can do the same exact stuff Jae does: 3 pt shooting, hustle rebounder, good defense, etc, for a 6'6"-6'7" SG/SF.
I like to compare Rowdy to a poor mans Kyle Korver with better defense. Now will that defense hold up in the NBA, I doubt it.
What he has going in his favor is his personality, though. . . (Hear me out; I realize that sounds lame):
So many NBA players flame out because they have never, in their life, NOT been the focus of every time from biddy ball to junior high to HS to AAU to college...and when suddenly they're 11th on a 12 man roster, they just kind of wilt.
Not everyone can be the star always; Rowdy can (and has) handled that in his life. Tayshaun Prince, I think, did an excellent job of becoming a "glue guy" and so can Rowdy.
In fact, that's why less-talented people than Rowdy, like the Ben Wallaces, become 'stars' in a sense, because they do the things that STARZ don't do (rebound, defense, dive for loose balls, not to mention sit on the bench and bide their time putting in long hours after practice).
Heck, if Larry Owens (ORU) can play a few games in the NBA, so can Rowdy! That kid had a terrible offensive game, but was a freakish athlete
true. that dude was like the second coming of Jerome Williams.
in the nba, it's like "do one thing EXCEPTIONALLY WELL or two things REALLY REALLY WELL and we will find a place to fit you in around our particular superstar (or two), depending on his own game and needs, and paternity suit obligations."
Quote from: valpotx on March 12, 2013, 05:06:08 PM
Heck, if Larry Owens (ORU) can play a few games in the NBA, so can Rowdy! That kid had a terrible offensive game, but was a freakish athlete
And that's why he made a roster...it's all about potential in the NBA. They can teach, or try to teach you to shoot, pass, ect...but it's hard to teach quickness and leaping ability.
IF Ryan has any shot at the NBA, he's got to fill a Matt Carroll role, which is basically a spot up 3 point shooter. He has two big weaknesses at the NBA level. Defense and the ability to get his own shot. If he can make his specialty the 3, he might stick on a team that need shooters.
Voting ends this Sunday.
http://votelouhenson.com/ (http://votelouhenson.com/)
if you've not voted yet!
Some of these guys have really taken off. Makes me wonder if there's ballot box stuffing...
Quote
Fan Voting for the Lou Henson Player of the Year ends this Sunday, 17th at 12pm EST.
Top 10 Vote-Getters:
Jerelle Benimon, Towson - 1796 votes
Jake Cohen, Davidson - 1134 votes
Isaiah Canaan, Murray State - 1013 votes
Billy Baron, Canisius - 1010 votes
Ian Clark, Belmont - 862 votes
Tommy Brenton, Stony Brook - 774 votes
D.J. Cooper, Ohio - 765 votes
Juan'ya Green - 616 votes
Ryan Broekhoff, Valparaiso - 538 votes
Zeke Marshall, Akron - 460 votes
Rowdy gets the top photo in this blog
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21899623/the-next-stephen-curry-weve-got-the-12-best-candidates-here (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/21899623/the-next-stephen-curry-weve-got-the-12-best-candidates-here)
"The next Stephen Curry? We've got the 12 best candidates here"
A little weak, perhaps, but the Lou Henson folks apparently just list 25 (Mid-Major) All Americans instead of breaking out a first team, second team, etc.
Ryan's on the list. Noone from Detroit is.
Congratulations!
http://www.louhenson.com/ (http://www.louhenson.com/)
Quote
March 25, 2013
LOU HENSON ALL-AMERICA TEAM
BOSTON (MA) -- The 2013 Lou Henson All-America Team was announced on Monday.
The team includes Travis Bader (Oakland), Billy Baron (Canisius), Jerrelle Benimon (Towson), Tommy Brenton (Stony Brook), Ryan Broekhoff (Valparaiso), Isaiah Canaan (Murray State), Jackie Carmichael (Illinois State), Will Cherry (Montana), Jake Cohen (Davidson), D.J. Cooper (Ohio), Matthew Dellavedova (Saint Mary's), James Ennis (Long Beach), Shane Gibson (Sacred Heart), Juan'ya Green (Niagara), Corey Hawkins (UC Davis), Tyler Haws (BYU), Troy Huff (North Dakota), Lamont Jones (Iona), Zeke Marshall (Akron), Jake Odum (Indiana State), Jamal Olasewere (LIU-Brooklyn), Keith Rendleman (UNC Wilmington), Augustine Rubit (South Alabama), Colt Ryan (Evansville), Taylor Smith (Stephen F. Austin).
Rather than assemble a first team, second team, third team and honorable mention; the Lou Heson All-America team is one squad consisting one 25 players.
The Lou Henson Award is presented annually to the top Mid-Major player in Division I college basketball. The award is named in honor of Lou Henson who retired after a spectacular coaching career that lasted 41 years.
When he left the game in 2005 he was sixth all-time in career Division I wins with 779. He is the winningest coach at both Illinois and New Mexico State. He is one of only 12 coaches in the history of the game to take two schools to the Final Four.
The 2013 Award will be presented at the CollegeInsider.com awards banquet in Atlanta, site of the men's NCAA Basketball Championship.
Travis Bader 6-5 Jr. Oakland
Billy Baron 6-2 Jr. Canisius
Jerrelle Benimon 6-8 Jr. Towson
Tommy Brenton 6-5 Sr. Stony Brook
Ryan Broekhoff 6-7 Sr. Valparaiso
Isaiah Canaan 6-1 Sr. Murray State
Jackie Carmichael 6-9 Sr. Illinois State
Will Cherry 6-1 Sr. Montana
Jake Cohen 6-10 Sr. Davidson
D.J. Cooper 6-0 Sr. Ohio
Matthew Dellavedova 6-4 Sr. Saint Mary's
James Ennis 6-7 Sr. Long Beach
Shane Gibson 6-2 Sr. Sacred Heart
Juan'ya Green 6-3 So. Niagara
Corey Hawkins 6-3 So. UC Davis
Tyler Haws 6-5 So. BYU
Troy Huff 6-5 Jr. North Dakota
Lamont Jones 6-0 Sr. Iona
Zeke Marshall 7-0 Sr. Akron
Jake Odum 6-4 Jr. Indiana State
Jamal Olasewere 6-7 Sr. LIU-Brooklyn
Keith Rendleman 6-8 Sr. UNC-Wilmington
Augustine Rubit 6-7 Jr. South Alabama
Colt Ryan 6-5 Sr. Evansville
Taylor Smith 6-6 Sr. Stephen F. Austin
Quote from: agibson on March 25, 2013, 05:25:57 PM
A little weak, perhaps, but the Lou Henson folks apparently just list 25 (Mid-Major) All Americans instead of breaking out a first team, second team, etc.
Ryan's on the list. Noone from Detroit is.
Congratulations!
http://www.louhenson.com/ (http://www.louhenson.com/)
Quote
March 25, 2013
LOU HENSON ALL-AMERICA TEAM
BOSTON (MA) -- The 2013 Lou Henson All-America Team was announced on Monday.
The team includes Travis Bader (Oakland), Billy Baron (Canisius), Jerrelle Benimon (Towson), Tommy Brenton (Stony Brook), Ryan Broekhoff (Valparaiso), Isaiah Canaan (Murray State), Jackie Carmichael (Illinois State), Will Cherry (Montana), Jake Cohen (Davidson), D.J. Cooper (Ohio), Matthew Dellavedova (Saint Mary's), James Ennis (Long Beach), Shane Gibson (Sacred Heart), Juan'ya Green (Niagara), Corey Hawkins (UC Davis), Tyler Haws (BYU), Troy Huff (North Dakota), Lamont Jones (Iona), Zeke Marshall (Akron), Jake Odum (Indiana State), Jamal Olasewere (LIU-Brooklyn), Keith Rendleman (UNC Wilmington), Augustine Rubit (South Alabama), Colt Ryan (Evansville), Taylor Smith (Stephen F. Austin).
Rather than assemble a first team, second team, third team and honorable mention; the Lou Heson All-America team is one squad consisting one 25 players.
The Lou Henson Award is presented annually to the top Mid-Major player in Division I college basketball. The award is named in honor of Lou Henson who retired after a spectacular coaching career that lasted 41 years.
When he left the game in 2005 he was sixth all-time in career Division I wins with 779. He is the winningest coach at both Illinois and New Mexico State. He is one of only 12 coaches in the history of the game to take two schools to the Final Four.
The 2013 Award will be presented at the CollegeInsider.com awards banquet in Atlanta, site of the men's NCAA Basketball Championship.
Travis Bader 6-5 Jr. Oakland
Billy Baron 6-2 Jr. Canisius
Jerrelle Benimon 6-8 Jr. Towson
Tommy Brenton 6-5 Sr. Stony Brook
Ryan Broekhoff 6-7 Sr. Valparaiso
Isaiah Canaan 6-1 Sr. Murray State
Jackie Carmichael 6-9 Sr. Illinois State
Will Cherry 6-1 Sr. Montana
Jake Cohen 6-10 Sr. Davidson
D.J. Cooper 6-0 Sr. Ohio
Matthew Dellavedova 6-4 Sr. Saint Mary's
James Ennis 6-7 Sr. Long Beach
Shane Gibson 6-2 Sr. Sacred Heart
Juan'ya Green 6-3 So. Niagara
Corey Hawkins 6-3 So. UC Davis
Tyler Haws 6-5 So. BYU
Troy Huff 6-5 Jr. North Dakota
Lamont Jones 6-0 Sr. Iona
Zeke Marshall 7-0 Sr. Akron
Jake Odum 6-4 Jr. Indiana State
Jamal Olasewere 6-7 Sr. LIU-Brooklyn
Keith Rendleman 6-8 Sr. UNC-Wilmington
Augustine Rubit 6-7 Jr. South Alabama
Colt Ryan 6-5 Sr. Evansville
Taylor Smith 6-6 Sr. Stephen F. Austin
Where the heck is Dougie McBuckets on this list?
Argh, dangit. McCallum and, presumably, your McBuckets are on their "overall" list.
http://www.luteolsonaward.com/ (http://www.luteolsonaward.com/)
McBuckets apparently won that award last year.
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March 25, 2013
LUTE OLSON ALL-AMERICA TEAM
BOSTON (MA) -- The 2013 Lute Olson All-America Team was announced on Monday.
The team includes Anthony Bennett (UNLV), Trey Burke (Michigan), Ian Clark (Belmont), Ramon Galloway (La Salle), Erick Green (Virginia Tech), Shane Larkin (Miami), Ray McCallum (Detroit), Doug McDermott (Creighton), Ben McLemore (Kansas), Shabazz Muhammad (UCLA), Mike Muscala (Bucknell), Victor Oladipo (Indiana), Kelly Olynyk (Gonzaga), Mason Plumlee (Duke), Otto Porter, Jr. (Georgetown), Marcus Smart (Oklahoma State), Russ Smith (Louisville), Deshaun Thomas (Ohio State), Jeff Withey (Kansas), Nate Wolters (South Dakota State), Cody Zeller (Indiana).
Rather than assemble a first team, second team, third team and honorable mention; the Lute Olson All-America team is one squad consisting one 21 players.
The Lute Olson Award is presented annually to the nation's top Division I player who has played at least two seasons with his respective team. Freshmen and first-year transfers can be named to the All-America team, but are not eligible to receive the Player of the Year honors.
The award is named in honor of coaching great Lute Olson, who won 780 games in 34 seasons, 24 of which were spent at the University of Arizona. During that stretch he led the Wildcats to 11 Pac-10 Conference titles, 23 consecutive NCAA Tournaments, four Final Four appearances and a National Championship in 1997.
The 2013 Award will be presented at the CollegeInsider.com awards banquet in Atlanta, site of the men's NCAA Basketball Championship.
Anthony Bennett 6-8 Fr. UNLV
Trey Burke 6-0 So. Michigan
Ian Clark 6-3 Sr. Belmont
Ramon Galloway 6-3 Sr. La Salle
Erick Green 6-3 Sr. Virginia Tech
Shane Larkin 5-11 So. Miami
Ray McCallum 6-3 Jr. Detroit
Doug McDermott 6-8 Jr. Creighton
Ben McLemore 6-5 Fr. Kansas
Shabazz Muhammad 6-6 Fr. UCLA
Mike Muscala 6-11 Sr. Bucknell
Victor Oladipo 6-5 Jr. Indiana
Kelly Olynyk 7-0 Jr. Gonzaga
Mason Plumlee 6-10 Sr. Duke
Otto Porter, Jr 6-8 So. Georgetown
Marcus Smart 6-4 Fr. Oklahoma State
Russ Smith 6-0 Jr. Louisville
Deshaun Thomas 6-7 Jr. Ohio State
Jeff Withey 7-0 Sr. Kansas
Nate Wolters 6-4 Sr. South Dakota State
Cody Zeller 7-0 So. Indiana
Rowdy will be playing in the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament later this week. The NBA coach for his team will be Scottie Pippen. Congratulations and good luck to Ryan!
Invited players participating: https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/ROSTERS.html (https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/ROSTERS.html)
Rowdy's Team: https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/K_D_Round_s.html (https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/K_D_Round_s.html)
PS: It appears he will be wearing Bryce's number #24, and unless he's been binge eating the last two weeks, there does seem to be an error in Rowdy's listing, where he is set at 6'7" and 250 lbs! :o
Quote from: valpopal on April 06, 2013, 09:45:42 AM
Rowdy will be playing in the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament later this week. The NBA coach for his team will be Scottie Pippen. Congratulations and good luck to Ryan!
Invited players participating: https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/ROSTERS.html (https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/ROSTERS.html)
Rowdy's Team: https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/K_D_Round_s.html (https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/K_D_Round_s.html)
PS: It appears he will be wearing Bryce's number #24, and unless he's been binge eating the last two weeks, there does seem to be an error in Rowdy's listing, where he is set at 6'7" and 250 lbs! :o
Congrats to Rowdy!!! If he does well he could be nba bound! And if he is 250 lbs then I'm really 6' 4"!
Might be an advantage to have point forward Scottie Pippin as a coach.
Quote from: valpopal on April 06, 2013, 09:45:42 AMRowdy will be playing in the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament later this week.
Neat!
I don't know anything about this tournament, or those like it. What's the scoop?
Is this for real draft prospects? Hopefuls without an outside chance? Some mix? Something else?
Looks like three games.
Quote from: agibson on April 06, 2013, 12:28:16 PM
Quote from: valpopal on April 06, 2013, 09:45:42 AMRowdy will be playing in the Portsmouth Invitational Tournament later this week.
Neat!
I don't know anything about this tournament, or those like it. What's the scoop?
Is this for real draft prospects? Hopefuls without an outside chance? Some mix? Something else?
Looks like three games.
This is for real and for draft prospects. BWood did not get an invite as I recall. Only the lottery picks would skip this sort of tourney. Sure hope he opens some eyes!
The last person we had participate was Dan Oppland. Before that, I think either Grafs and/or just Lubos. This Invitational is only for Seniors, so it is not all NBA level talent. Many international teams go to it as well, so it is mainly to get top talent overseas, and maybe a few secound round NBA guys/NBDL players. Definitely a great thing to be a part of regardless though!!
I've heard this is for NBA prospects, partially to have fill NBDL rosters/NBA Summer League rosters, and to get some exposure to international leagues as well. Not that Ryan probably needs a lot of exposure to international teams, but if he can be a roster filler in the NBA Summer League or in the NBDL, why not take a shot?
Rowdy Named to Second Team of All-International Players:
http://netscoutsbasketball.com/blog/netscouts-basketball-mens-all-international-teams-2/ (http://netscoutsbasketball.com/blog/netscouts-basketball-mens-all-international-teams-2/)
Wasn't sure where I should post this at, but here's the box score from Broekhoff's first game at the PIT. Pretty solid all around game.
https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/uploads/2013GM1.pdf (https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/uploads/2013GM1.pdf)
Broekhoff went for 12 points on 5 of 10 shooting tonight in just 23 minutes of game time. Also had 3 boards and 3 assists, as their team won 91 to 67.
Not a bad night for Rowdy!
https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/uploads/2013GM1.pdf (https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/uploads/2013GM1.pdf)
YEAH K & D ROUNDSCAPING!!!!!!!!
Seriously, sounds like their jerseys are sponsored by the same people that sponsored my 1987 T-Ball league team.
Sounds a tad like the Cape Cod Baseball League, the teams have local sponsors, although they have real team names. Great to hear that Rowdy is doing well, looking like the type of guy that could be some quick energy off the bench for a European team. It would take some time before he became a European team starter, maybe after some kind of physical weight gain, either in terms of muscle build or pounds.
Looks like he's holding his own, at least. Did have three turnovers. And, it seems like a guard (Elijah Johnson) took care of some of the "cleaning up the defensive glass" duties that seemed to be Ryan's for the first two-thirds of Valpo's season.
Not a good night for Ryan:
https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/uploads/2013GM7.pdf (https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/uploads/2013GM7.pdf)
zounds! how many more games does he have?
this might date me but the last breakout performer at the Portsmouth Invite I can remember was Dan Majerle.
Quote from: wh on April 12, 2013, 08:52:02 PM
Not a good night for Ryan:
https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/uploads/2013GM7.pdf (https://www.portsmouthinvitational.com/uploads/2013GM7.pdf)
It would seem the occasional off night shooting for Ryan is not unexpected, is it?
Unless Rowdy has a monstrous game... chances are he won't be drafted into the nba and even if, chances are the scouts have seen enough.
When Broekhoff is off he is OFF! The woes of a guy who primarily is a shooter. I think he needs to sure up his ball handling and finishing abilities if he wants to make it at the next level. Because no matter how good a shooter is, there are gonna be nights when the 3 isn't dropping and when the three wasn't dropping for Rowdy his game has suffered. So he needs to add another dimension to his game, get a little more crafty with the basketball and a better ball handler since he does have the occasional turnover.
No doubt Broekhoff will be playing professional basketball somewhere. Probably not the nba... yet. He definitely has the potential and every year, while he was at Valpo, he has added something to his game. Chances are that will continue as he gets older and matures as a professional. If he can add a few more dimensions to his game, he can be great. Right now I don't believe he is nba ready but in a few years who knows.
I think the sky is the limit for Broekhoff, he just needs a few more seasons to develop a few more skills. He's shown the ability to master and develop new skills year in and year out. It leads me to believe that this pattern will continue.
Best of luck Rowdy! I'll be rooting for ya! :)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 12, 2013, 08:59:48 PMhow many more games does he have?
Just the championship game.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 12, 2013, 08:59:48 PM
this might date me but the last breakout performer at the Portsmouth Invite I can remember was Dan Majerle.
I'm with you ... amazing how slowly news travelled in the pre-internet days! I had never heard of Majerle before I walked into the ABAUSA Invitational Tournament in April, 1988 (couldn't find any info from that year, but here's a blurb about the 1989 tourney. http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1989/NY-Filed/id-a2a6c0ed7b92cc185a027989c4cc3b17 (http://www.apnewsarchive.com/1989/NY-Filed/id-a2a6c0ed7b92cc185a027989c4cc3b17) ). A friend yelled at me to come over and watch Majerle play ... he was unbelievable, especially since no one had heard of him. In just a few months, he went from unknown MAC player, to Portsmouth MVP, to first round draft pick and leading scorer on the '88 Olympic Team. Wow.
Thank you! My thoughts exactly. And then a 3-time All-Star to boot! #25 all-time 3 pointers made reg season; #13 in playoffs. Rated #208 NBA all-time by ELO (!)
I guess bbtds would say the major conferences Majerle missed out on him. :)
QuoteDuring the draft, he was promptly booed when his name was announced over the public address system. Suns coach Cotton Fitzsimmons publicly chastised the Suns fans and told them "you'll be sorry you ever booed this young man".
I was going to say "nowadays that can't happen again" but Jeremy Lin.
Interestingly looked him (Majerle) up and he just started coaching DII Grand Canyon!
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/colleges/articles/20130318grand-canyon-university-names-dan-majerle-basketball-coach.html (http://www.azcentral.com/sports/colleges/articles/20130318grand-canyon-university-names-dan-majerle-basketball-coach.html)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 13, 2013, 03:23:15 PMI guess bbtds would say the major conferences Majerle missed out on him.
Normally I would be saying "galvenās konferences Majerle palaida garām viņu." but I would be further digressing the situation and will hold back.
Thanks to you and WH I now know a Lat more about the Riga-rous language spoken in Raitisland.
I could write a couple grafs about the style of play there but their method of baltics me off.
Ryan Broekhoff busy finishing degree, working out, preparing for a pro career
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/19739542-556/mens-basketball-ryan-broekhoff-busy-finishing-degree-working-out-preparing-for-a-pro-career.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/19739542-556/mens-basketball-ryan-broekhoff-busy-finishing-degree-working-out-preparing-for-a-pro-career.html)
A great guy and humble as can be for such a talent. I suspect he'll have a long career as a pro in Europe and be an outstanding representative of Valpo. Based on his skill set and performance, I just don't see him making it into the NBA anytime soon, but he should be at least an above-average European player. I do hope that Ryan will be able to develop a more-consistent shooting touch and diverse game, which will allow him to inch is way into the NBA in a few years. He certainly deserves it.
I completely agree with atkins, I'm not sure if he quite has NBA potential right now but he certainly has the work ethic and shooting skills to one day develop into an NBA player. I hope he does & wish him nothing but the best. He's a great guy and he deserves every bit of success he receives.
Quote from: atkins on April 27, 2013, 01:11:24 PM
A great guy and humble as can be for such a talent. I suspect he'll have a long career as a pro in Europe and be an outstanding representative of Valpo. Based on his skill set and performance, I just don't see him making it into the NBA anytime soon, but he should be at least an above-average European player. I do hope that Ryan will be able to develop a more-consistent shooting touch and diverse game, which will allow him to inch is way into the NBA in a few years. He certainly deserves it.
Europe and Australia, depending on where his heart and the $$$ take him. The NBA can always use a skilled player with a knack for getting rebounds - I hope that he gets an opportunity.
2013 NBA Pre-Draft Workout & Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pqf1w3Qf5eQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pqf1w3Qf5eQ)
Quote from: wh on June 08, 2013, 06:58:54 PM
2013 NBA Pre-Draft Workout & Interview
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=pqf1w3Qf5eQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?.feature=player_embedded&v=pqf1w3Qf5eQ)
That was terrific! I don't think he missed a shot! ;) Let's hope he gets some workouts
More great workout video of Ryan. Good to see him in a Valpo uniform!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=XZjHLNnwSl8 (http://youtu.be/XZjHLNnwSl8)
Article here:
http://www.cityleaguehoops.net/2013/06/10/ryan-broekhoff-nba-draft-workout/ (http://www.cityleaguehoops.net/2013/06/10/ryan-broekhoff-nba-draft-workout/)
Quote from: valpopal on June 10, 2013, 11:06:38 PMArticle here
I appreciate the article, not least of which because it correctly uses "honing" rather than "homing".
Now if we could just start spelling our topic titles correctly...
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Oppenheimer told us that in the one on one drills, he was the player most likely to dunk on someone.
?!
Interesting to hear that he attended
http://www.adidaseurocamp.com/ (http://www.adidaseurocamp.com/)
They bill it as a pre-NBA draft camp for European players? But presumably it gives him additional exposure _in_ Europe as well.
Have we heard anything more about other workouts or camps, apart from this and the Portsmouth?
Rowdy worked out for the Chicago Bulls this week.
Quote from: valpopal on June 22, 2013, 08:39:31 AMRowdy worked out for the Chicago Bulls this week.
That would be only the second time I would ever root for the Bullz.
I thought I heard he was in Australia last week?
Quote from: agibson on June 23, 2013, 06:28:33 PM
I thought I heard he was in Australia last week?
He was, short trip. At this stage he is burning the candle at both ends trying to gets his skill noticed. Let's all hope he is drafted or, at a minimum, gets a spot in the D League. Go Rowdy!! :dance: :dance:
Quote from: vu72 on June 23, 2013, 06:42:44 PM
Quote from: agibson on June 23, 2013, 06:28:33 PM
I thought I heard he was in Australia last week?
He was, short trip. At this stage he is burning the candle at both ends trying to gets his skill noticed. Let's all hope he is drafted or, at a minimum, gets a spot in the D League. Go Rowdy!! :dance: :dance:
Would love to see him playing with the Mad Ants and Ron Howard.
Rowdy selected to play for Australia at World University Games in Russia:
http://www.basketball.net.au/index.php?id=302&tx_ttnews[tt_news]=2960&tx_ttnews[backPid]=1&cHash=b2cfeafb73 (http://www.basketball.net.au/index.php?id=302&tx_ttnews)
[Tried fixing the link, but the forum apparently won't load full URL. Therefore, you will need to cut and paste the whole thing to get the article.]
[valpo04 edit: Fixed!]
With Rowdy leading the way, the Australian national team has won its first two games in the 2013 Stankovic Continental Cup in China against tough competition: Argentina (62-59)and China (64-59). They have three games remaining against Puerto Rico, Germany, and Nigeria before moving to the World University Games in Russia beginning July 6. Broekhoff's stock is rising for a possible position on a top European team.
Quote from: valpopal on June 29, 2013, 11:55:09 AM
With Rowdy leading the way, the Australian national team has won its first two games in the 2013 Stankovic Continental Cup in China against tough competition: Argentina (62-59)and China (64-59). They have three games remaining against Puerto Rico, Germany, and Nigeria before moving to the World University Games in Russia beginning July 6. Broekhoff's stock is rising for a possible position on a top European team.
The Australian team won two more games this weekend, beating Puerto Rico (72-68) on Saturday and Germany (79-64) on Sunday. They have Monday off and finish with one final game against Nigeria on Tuesday, hoping for an undefeated tournament record before moving to Russia for the World University games that begin next weekend. In those games the Australians have drawn a very difficult early schedule, including a game against the U.S. team, which is in their bracket, on July 11.
Some typical notes about Rowdy's good play this week from the reports:
"When Broekhoff opened his account from long range late in the term the Boomers were cruising with a 19-7 quarter-time advantage..."
"Broekhoff nailed the opening two buckets of the third quarter..."
"When the intensity lifted late in the term Ryan Broekhoff capitalised with five straight fast-break points..."
"Ryan Broekhoff opened the second term with a long bomb and an athletic three-point play in transition..."
Quote from: valpopal on June 30, 2013, 10:46:51 PMRyan Broekhoff opened the second term with a long bomb
excellent to hear, thanks! (if only he'd started off the second term (against Loyola Jan 2) so well :) )
Any internet live video of the University Games? Especially would like to see the US matchup. Is Dellavadova playing for the Boomers? Saw that he will be on Cavs summer league team.
Australians go undefeated 5-0 with win over Nigeria (76-61).
The link earlier in the thread no longer seems to deliver much of anything.
Anyone care to provide some current info for the lazy among us? ;)
What was this opening five game stretch? Related, or not, to the University Games? What's the format for the University Games? (Indeed, any streaming coverage?)
Links to box scores, etc?
Quote from: agibson on July 03, 2013, 10:40:45 AM
The link earlier in the thread no longer seems to deliver much of anything.
Anyone care to provide some current info for the lazy among us? ;)
What was this opening five game stretch? Related, or not, to the University Games? What's the format for the University Games? (Indeed, any streaming coverage?)
Links to box scores, etc?
Here is the schedule of games:
http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/worlduniversity/schedule.html (http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/worlduniversity/schedule.html)
As you can see Rowdy's game vs. the US will be on ESPNU July 11 at 5:30pm Central.
I put together a schedule with the Russia & US time zones for both the USA and Australia teams in the World University games to make it easier to follow when the game is actually played and when it is televised on ESPNU.
July 7th - Sunday
Czech Republic vs Australia 4:30 a.m. ET / 3:30 a.m. CT / 12:30 p.m. Moscow/Kazan Time
USA vs United Arab Emirates 10:30 a.m. ET / 9:30 a.m. CT / 6:30 p.m. Moscow/Kazan Time ESPNU: 7 pm ET/6 pm CT, 7/8/13 3 am ET/2 am CT, 7/9/13 5 am ET/4 am CT
July 8th - Monday
Australia vs Sweden 4:30 a.m. ET / 3:30 a.m. CT / 12:30 p.m. M/K Time
USA vs Czech Republic 5:00 a.m. ET / 4:00 a.m. CT / 1:00 p.m. M/K Time ESPNU: 5 am ET/4 am CT, 7 pm ET/6 pm CT, 7/9/13 3 am ET/2 am CT
July 10th - Wednesday
Canada vs Australia 5:00 a.m. ET / 4:00 a.m. CT / 1:00 p.m. M/KT
USA vs Sweden 2:00 p.m. ET / 1:00 p.m. CT / 9:00 p.m. M/KT ESPNU: 7 pm ET/6 pm CT, 7/11/13 7 am ET/6 am CT
July 11th - Thursday
USA vs Australia 10:30 a.m. ET / 9:30 a.m. CT / 6:30 p.m. M/KT ESPNU: 7 pm ET/6 pm CT, 7/13/13 5:30 am ET/4:30 am CT
July 12th - Friday
Australia vs United Arab Emirates 2:00 a.m. ET / 1:00 a.m. CT / 10:00 a.m. M/KT
Canada vs USA 5:00 a.m. ET / 4:00 a.m. CT / 1:00 p.m. M/KT ESPNU: 5 am ET/4 am CT, 7 pm ET/6 pm CT, 7/13/13 3:30 am ET/2:30 am CT
Add 6 hours to Moscow time to get Melbourne time.
Despite an off game for Rowdy (8 points and 2 rebounds) shooting 1-6 from the field and 0-2 from the 3-point line, Australia easily won its first game, beating Czech Republic 85-57:
http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/worlduniversity/13_mwug_box_06.html (http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/worlduniversity/13_mwug_box_06.html)
That's nothing on the US's 140-46 beat-down of the UAE!
Rowdy started, and in a rather egalitarian division of minutes, played 20. (The highlight of the box might be 6-6 from the FT line.)
From
http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/worlduniversity/schedule.html (http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/worlduniversity/schedule.html)
it looks like Australia took care of Sweden 70-53 today, but I don't see a box score yet.
The top two teams from each pool advance, so having the US in the pool doesn't need to be a fatal flaw. Unless Canada's a threat?
How are the the WUG teams qualified? Seeing teams like Oman, UAE, and a few others, it almost seems like they are just trying to expand the game globally, rather than some type of qualification process.
No given that Australia will advance ahead of Canada. Canada has three high quality D1 players (Heslip, Pangos and Ejim). At least Wiggins decided in early June that he was not going to play on their WUG team.
Quote from: agibson on July 08, 2013, 09:30:41 AM
From
http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/worlduniversity/schedule.html (http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/worlduniversity/schedule.html)
it looks like Australia took care of Sweden 70-53 today, but I don't see a box score yet.
I'm hearing Rowdy had a better game and was one of the high scorers with 11 points against Sweden.
He led Australia with 27 minutes against Sweden. 2nd in points, T1 in defensive rebounds, etc.
http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/worlduniversity/13_mwug_box_22.html (http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/worlduniversity/13_mwug_box_22.html)
I guess one could compare to the Canada-Sweden game, where Canada's margin of victory was similar
http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/worlduniversity/13_mwug_box_12.html (http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/worlduniversity/13_mwug_box_12.html)
I've tried looking around for the qualification standards, but I'm not finding anything. All I can think is that if the country supports a team, they get in? I'd have to agree that the World University Games is a way to globalize a lot of sports that want exposure to other countries in an amateur format, like an AAU-style setup to get kids interested in sports that you can't seem to find on U.S. tv because no one wants to cover anything beyond men's basketball on ESPN.
Australia fell to Canada 92-83.
http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/worlduniversity/13_mwug_box_33.html (http://www.usabasketball.com/mens/worlduniversity/13_mwug_box_33.html)
Looks to have been something of an off-game for Rowdy. I suppose we can hope that he was a focal point of their defense?
Looks like Australia did hold a narrow lead at the start of the 4th quarter.
Here's one write-up
http://islandsportsnews.net/component/content/article/4-basketball/7954-strong-finish-pushes-canada-past-australia (http://islandsportsnews.net/component/content/article/4-basketball/7954-strong-finish-pushes-canada-past-australia)
With this loss, probably Australia needs to beat the US to advance? (Or to get a little help, in the form of a Canada loss somewhere else, etc.)
Hard for Australia to win when Ryan goes 1-9 from the floor and Cody Ellis (SLU) goes 1-7. Arrgghh. Lets hope for a good showing against the US.
For Rowdy only, not Australia, then I will agree :)
Australia with the upset over US (93-84): Rowdy with a double-double (10 points, 12 rebounds; plus 2 assists, 2 steals, and a blocked shot) as his team stays alive! Game replayed on ESPNU at 6 pm Central Time!
Box Score: http://kazan2013.ru/hide/en/-240/Comp/Info/ResultList/BKM400C11 (http://kazan2013.ru/hide/en/-240/Comp/Info/ResultList/BKM400C11)
Quote from: valpopal on July 11, 2013, 12:51:49 PM
Australia with the upset over US (93-84): Rowdy with a double-double (10 points, 12 rebounds; plus 2 assists, 2 steals, and a blocked shot) as his team stays alive! Game replayed on ESPNU at 6 pm Central Time!
Box Score: http://kazan2013.ru/hide/en/-240/Comp/Info/ResultList/BKM400C11 (http://kazan2013.ru/hide/en/-240/Comp/Info/ResultList/BKM400C11)
Thanks for ruining the broadcast for me!!
Good for Rowdy, but a bad loss for the US. I imagine that they overlooked the Aussies
Also, '72, at the beginning of the 4th quarter, Rowdy will hit two 3s, taking them from down 3 to up 3 and a lead they would never relinquish.
You may now resume being the happiest you've ever been about the USA losing.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on July 11, 2013, 01:38:04 PM
Also, '72, at the beginning of the 4th quarter, Rowdy will hit two 3s, taking them from down 3 to up 3 and a lead they would never relinquish.
You may now resume being the happiest you've ever been about the USA losing.
Well, looking at the bright side, at least I won't be biting my fingernails! ;) I wonder how many USA guys have a shot at the NBA (other than McDermott)
Yay Rowdy, Go Aussies!! :thumbsup:
The USA has 15 times more people than Australia. We have the most intricate and sophisticated player development system in the world. We are a basketball and sports crazed people. While this USA team may not have some of our best-of-the-best college players, it is still loaded with 4 and 5 star players from some of the best collegiate programs we have. I don't know whether to be impressed with the Aussies or embarrassed for us. A little of both I suppose.
Of course, like everyone I'm thrilled for Ryan!
Just saw Ryan ice the game for the Aussies. The US just looked like they were thugs, playing like they are used to stateside with all the hard fouls and getting called for fouls in Russia that they don't always get called for here. The US roster had Doug McDermott, Yogi Ferrell, Patrick Hancock, and a few others that I missed in how fast and unaware the announcers seemed to be.
The US needs to really outscore the Canadians and hold them to a low point total, as the point differential now becomes a factor as both the US and Aussies sit at 3-1.
if that is true about point differential, then we have to root for Canada for Australia to advance.
(OR: the not-all-that-unlikely possibility of Canada's loss margin and Australia's rout of UAE to total 105 points.
say the US wins by 20, then Australia needs to win by 85. impossible you say? US and Canada each beat UAE by 94. In that case, US would only have to win by 11, by my math.
yeah, i guess i like that better than rootin' for canooks.)
Ryan Broekhoff grabbing an offensive rebound following his teammates two missed free throws with under 20 seconds left in a close game was the most Ryan Broekhoff thing ever.
The US national team losing in an international tournament has got to be the most US national team thing ever.
* cue DavidRobinsonNoddingSadly.gif
Well, Australia did its part, winning by 88, but didn't have to worry about advanced math, as we spin out again, losing to Canada 94-85 (there I saved you 2 hours of your life).
[pause to insert "CANADA!?!?! whiskey tango FOXtrot!!"]
So, there's the good news, Rowdy & co. advance. Bad news is Lithuania is next, and they are a proverbial buzzsaw.
Actually, Australia was good no matter what. If all 3 teams had tied at 4-1 (with a USA win over Canada), FIBA's second tiebreaker in pool play is point differential in games among tied teams. So since Australia had lost to Canada by 9 and beat USA by 9, they had a 0 point differential, and unless USA had beaten Canada by exactly 9, would have been ahead of one of the two squads.
Quote from: valpopal on July 11, 2013, 12:51:49 PMAustralia with the upset over US (93-84): Rowdy with a double-double (10 points, 12 rebounds; plus 2 assists, 2 steals, and a blocked shot) as his team stays alive! Game replayed on ESPNU at 6 pm Central Time!
Box Score: http://kazan2013.ru/hide/en/-240/Comp/Info/ResultList/BKM400C11 (http://kazan2013.ru/hide/en/-240/Comp/Info/ResultList/BKM400C11)
In an Australian game-high 32 minutes (maybe an Australia tournament high? the minutes had often been rather equally divided).
I don't see much mention of Ryan in the press with Bairstow, probably legitimately, getting more of the press. About all I see is
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Bairstow kept battling the American "bigs" with Ryan Broekhoff (10 points, 12 rebounds) and Mitch Young (12 points) also making huge contributions.
But, it sounds like a fairly solid game from Ryan, if one without too many baskets (maybe he's decided, or been told, that his role isn't primarily offensive?).
Lithuania awaits on Sunday, I think at 11:30 AM central time?
Quote from: vusupporter on July 12, 2013, 09:16:17 AMActually, Australia was good no matter what.
Your posting earlier would have saved me a spreadsheet :)
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20130712/GW0201/307120013/Adreian-Payne-learning-from-John-Beilein-World-University-Games (http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/article/20130712/GW0201/307120013/Adreian-Payne-learning-from-John-Beilein-World-University-Games)
Two things from this article may explain why the United States is struggling in the tournament:
"I really like the style of play that we're playing," he (MSU's Payne) said. "There's no set offense and just letting us play within some type of set. It's more freedom and I like it."
"The biggest challenge for me (Payne) is staying out of foul trouble and adjusting to the style of play because it's less physical than the states," he said.
Comment #1 speaks to lack of discipline: comment #2 to lack of preparation. These are the trademarks of far too many international performances by USA teams.
Sounds like Coaching, but did the US get to play together for a few games like OZ did when they went 6-0 in an earlier tournament?
Just looked at the box score for the UAE / Aussie game... #10 [aka #45] did not participate for the downunder guys...
Quote from: talksalot on July 12, 2013, 02:54:42 PMJust looked at the box score for the UAE / Aussie game... #10 [aka #45] did not participate for the downunder guys...
well come on, then they would have won 200 to negative 7.
OI OI OI
a3uge - you didn't tell the entire story on that rebound. Ryan outhustled and outfought a first team All-American for that rebound after the missed free throw.
Looking at the box score, it looks like the Australia coach rested all of the guys who played a lot of hard minutes against the US. Bairstow and Young barely played in the UAE game. I don't actually know that Ryan is OK, but Broekhoff looked fine at the end of the US game. Bairstow was very impressive against the US (going up mainly against Jefferson and McDermott - though Paine was a complete disaster in that game). Will be fun to see him in the coming season against both Valpo and Kansas.
Quote from: vu84v2 on July 12, 2013, 04:51:26 PM
a3uge - you didn't tell the entire story on that rebound. Ryan outhustled and outfought a first team All-American for that rebound after the missed free throw.
Looking at the box score, it looks like the Australia coach rested all of the guys who played a lot of hard minutes against the US. Bairstow and Young barely played in the UAE game. I don't actually know that Ryan is OK, but Broekhoff looked fine at the end of the US game. Bairstow was very impressive against the US (going up mainly against Jefferson and McDermott - though Paine was a complete disaster in that game). Will be fun to see him in the coming season against both Valpo and Kansas.
Do you know something about a game with MSU?
He was talking about our game against UNM, where Bairstow played
I was referring to Bairstow. He plays for New Mexico.
Not sure if these guys had a lot of time to practice together leading up to this tournament, but the team is coached by Davidson's Bob McKillip and Michigan's John Beilein. If they are just running "sets" is McKillip figuring they should be playing a "pro" style offense?
The only player on the US that looks like he knows what he's doing is Dougie McBuckets. Luke Hancock looked good on offense, but a trainwreck on defense. Guard play on the US was lacking. Payne was completely ineffective.
Brady Heslip (the Canadian little white PG on Baylor) looked good. Guy can shoot and plays withh confidence. Travon Graham (VCU) looked out of place outside of the typical swarm Shaka Smart offense.
Ryan looked great against USA... He made the two threes to put the game in reach and then his rebounding at the end. way to go Ryan - great upset.
I agree!
Haven't rooted against the USA this hard since the San Patricios.
Thought you'd all like to know that the Aussie boys beat Lithuania in their quarter final by 5 to advance to the semis. Rowdy top scored with 14 points and 4 rebounds. Was a tough game with the Aussies clawing their way back after being behind at the end of each quarter. So proud of Ryan and the team, Go the UNIROOS!! :thumbsup:
Quote from: koala on July 14, 2013, 11:29:07 AM
Thought you'd all like to know that the Aussie boys beat Lithuania in their quarter final by 5 to advance to the semis. Rowdy top scored with 14 points and 4 rebounds. Was a tough game with the Aussies clawing their way back after being behind at the end of each quarter. So proud of Ryan and the team, Go the UNIROOS!! :thumbsup:
Great game by Ryan against a really tough team! Rowdy hit key back to back 3-pointers in the 4th quarter to give the Aussies the lead. Final: 60-55
Here's Ryan's stat line:
http://kazan2013.ru/hide/en/-240/Comp/Info/ResultList/BKM400304 (http://kazan2013.ru/hide/en/-240/Comp/Info/ResultList/BKM400304)
Only 1 other Australia player scored in double figures (12). Ryan also led the team in minutes played and was 3-6 from 3. Well done!
Note: Click on "Detailed" toward the top of the page to go to player stats.
The tournament is down to a "final four" - Russia (6-0) vs. Canada (6-0), Serbia (6-0) vs. Australia (5-1). Winners play for the gold medal; losers play for the bronze.
Bracket:
http://kazan2013.ru/hide/en/-240/Comp/Info/BK/Bracket/BKM400000 (http://kazan2013.ru/hide/en/-240/Comp/Info/BK/Bracket/BKM400000)
Are any of the balance of the games on ESPNU??
Quote from: wh on July 14, 2013, 11:49:25 AMRyan also led the team in minutes played and was 3-6 from 3.
Again, that's just half the story. After being buried at the start (down 16-3!) they fought back to make a game of it and AGAIN, back-to-back Rowdy 4th quarter 3s took the lead from the other team and gave Australia a lead they would not relinquish.
Trés impressivo.
Another great game for Ryan and the Austrailian team....
Woohoo the Aussies beat Serbia after being down by as much as 15 to make it to the gold medal game. Wasn't one of Ryan's better games but we won and he gets another chance. Serbia were dirty so it was fantastic to beat them and they didn't like it. We play the winner out of Canada and Russia so the worst we can do is silver and the highest we have ever finished in the past was 7th so a terrific effort by the team. GO AUSSIE UNIROOS!!
The game is on ESPNU right now!
Thanks for posting that the game was on, 72. It was the quarterfinal game. It looks like the semifinal will be aired tonight at 6:00 and the finals will be on tomorrow at 8:00 pm (both times CDT).
Please beat Russia. Nobody likes Russia :)
Gold Medal Game: Russia - Australia (BH1)
ESPNU: July 16 @ 9 pm ET || July 17 @ 6 am ET
The actual game time is 12:30 pm CT, 9:30 PM Kazan time.
Nice to see Rowdy getting big minutes, apparently making key contributions, and certainly fun to see him lead in points for a game (Lithuania).
It took a little digging to find them, but it looks like replays of the Serbia, Lithuania, and US games against Australia are available on ESPN3. Not sure about the final - ESPNU games are normally blacked out live on ESPN3 (at least for non-subscribers; with my like it's available here at the office, but these relpays won't be at home tonight).
Go Uniroos!
Silver medal for Rowdy and the Aussies at the World University Games going down by 7 to Russia. Fantastic effort by the team :thumbsup:
Well, this was fun watching our guy help lead his national team to a Silver. It will be exciting to see what he does next.
Broekhoff didn't have the greatest game - he turned the ball over at the end when Australia had a chance to come back. Ellis from SLU looked especially terrible... Not just at basketball, in the face as well. Guy needs to shave.
Russia had an NBA player and played in front of their home crowd, so Australia was an underdog to begin with.
Quote from: a3uge on July 18, 2013, 12:36:57 AMRussia had an NBA player and played in front of their home crowd, so Australia was an underdog to begin with.
The NYT had an interesting piece related to this.
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/18/world/europe/russia-stacked-team-with-stars-for-world-university-games.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/18/world/europe/russia-stacked-team-with-stars-for-world-university-games.html)
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Russia Stacked Team With Stars for World University Games
By ANDREW E. KRAMER
Published: July 17, 2013
It didn't mention professionals - it was more about Russia stacking their teams with Olympians while other countries sent college-type players. But, the theme was obviously Russia stacking their teams. I don't know what the rules were wrt to amateurism - I wonder how stacked _was_ the Russian team? An NBA player sounds like a good start.
There's a certain tradition, of course, of the home team trying to pack in the medals. And, of Russia and friends stretching boundaries, of course. But, sounds like they opened a new chapter this time.
Australia had a couple of pros as well, but certainly not any NBA types (other than Rowdy! ;))
Excellent results for Australia. Ryan played great. It was great seeing him play again. Really hope to be able to follow his career...
Wait....Russia tried to gain an advantage in something? Say it ain't so 1972 Munich Olympics ;)
Geez, 155 golds, or around half of all available? Russia really likes to pretend that it is still good at stuff, but when other countries are sending competitors such as below, wouldn't you feel embarrassed that you send so many top athletes against kids??
http://wordpress.spfldcol.edu/World-University-Games/ (http://wordpress.spfldcol.edu/World-University-Games/)
Sergey Karasev was a first round pick for the Cleveland Cavaliers, 19th overall this past draft. He was Russia's leading point scorer.*
*Not completely sure if that's true.
Rowdy has signed with Besiktas, a Turkish team!
https://twitter.com/billpotter_HL/status/364433638860914689 (https://twitter.com/billpotter_HL/status/364433638860914689)
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/team/Besiktas_Istanbul/1035?Page=1 (http://basketball.eurobasket.com/team/Besiktas_Istanbul/1035?Page=1)
Congrats Rowdy! I believe that is a good league for him to start in. Hopefully he works his way to the Spanish or Italian leagues, as I believe that they are the best Euro leagues, along with Israel.
Fantastic! Congratulations to Ryan!
According to
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_national_basketball_league_rankings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_national_basketball_league_rankings)
Turkey is maybe 5th or 6th in Europe.
Istanbul's a pretty neat city, too.
It looks like Besiktas won the league in 2012, knocking off the guys who appear to be something like the Yankees of Turkish basketball, Anadolu Efes.
Besiktas finished sixth last year, 19-11, qualifying them for this year's Eurocup competition (2nd tier European international competition - where he could potentially bump into Brandon Wood, whose Hungarian team is in the same competition this coming season).
Besiktas' website is running the headline "Eagles to boost scoring with American 3-point expert".
https://www.bjk.com.tr/en/ (https://www.bjk.com.tr/en/)
Unfortunately.... it refers to Santa Clara's Kevin Foster. And they can't even manage to get the name of his school consistently right in a three-sentence piece.
OK, no surprise, their English site is a little out of date.
We do better in Turkish.
https://www.bjk.com.tr/tr/haber/56223/ (https://www.bjk.com.tr/tr/haber/56223/)
Google translates it as
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Men's Basketball Team, the Australian striker Ryan Broekhoff'u added staff.
Men's Basketball Team continues to work before the transfer to the new season, the Australian striker Ryan Broekhoff two-year contract to be signed with a one year option.
Who is Ryan Broekhoff?
August 23, 1990 Australian-born player, who has played the most recent American College League, Valparaiso University. Australia's national team played in the striker position, playing young players and 2.01 meters tall.
So, Valpo gets a mention. As does the Aussie national team, of course. And I learn that it's a two-year contract with apparently some sort of option (player? club?) for a third.
And I lose a lot in translation. (I can _pronounce_ a _little_ Turkish. Beshiktash? Or is it Beshiktas? But I can understand basically none.)
There seem to be a number of articles in the Turkish media. I'll pass on them for now
In Australian Senior Men's team news, I notice
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/basketball/boomers-squad-without-jason-cadee-and-chris-goulding-8216best-in-years8217/story-fni2uang-1226691467978 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/basketball/boomers-squad-without-jason-cadee-and-chris-goulding-8216best-in-years8217/story-fni2uang-1226691467978)
that Ryan missed the cut for the 15-man roster for a couple of games against New Zealand. But, he does get mentioned by the coach among the prospects
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Lemanis said it was impossible to not be excited about Australia's prospects.
"I'm excited," he said.
"Both Dante and Ben (Simmons) have an athleticism we don't commonly see in this country.
"And Ryan Broekhoff and Cam Bairstow have done well for us and have exciting futures."
Its pronounced Beshiktash. Australia and Turkey share a great deal of respect due to their mutual losses at Gallipoli. Ryan will be loved in Istanbul.
"Iyi canslar", Ryan, Good luck.
Quote from: Mommy Goat on August 05, 2013, 04:57:54 PM
Its pronounced Beshiktash. Australia and Turkey share a great deal of respect due to their mutual losses at Gallipoli. Ryan will be loved in Istanbul.
"Iyi canslar", Ryan, Good luck.
Oh come on Apostle, your style is WAY to obvious as are your goofy names! :o
Quote from: vu72 on August 05, 2013, 08:37:05 PMOh come on Apostle, your style is WAY to obvious as are your goofy names!
...i'm not sure whether to be offended or laugh. not my style, although a historical reference to Gallipoli might be--I'm a stickler for "it's" when it should be thus, and I know zero Arabic. :/
...and I have only ever had one account here, too, btw!
Surrrrrrrrrrrrreeeeeeeeeee Saders ;)
With a name like Mommy Goat, I won't demand respect but would offer the following:
1. Turkey and Australia share mutual admiration that will be a boon for Ryan.
2. I am not LaPorteAveApostle. Due to the informality of this board, I am comfortable with the occasional misplaced contraction but would never be so vapid as to suggest Turks speak Arabic. Mustafa Kemal is rolling in Anitkabir right now. My alleged alter ego and I share very different, but perhaps equally annoying, contempt for bad grammar, on the one hand, and linguistic ignorance, on the other. 75 million Turkish speaking Turks certainly would think the latter error is far graver.
Quote from: vu72 on August 05, 2013, 08:37:05 PMOh come on Apostle, your style is WAY to obvious as are your goofy names!
B+.
I'm pretty sure he was joking. I was torn, myself, between another koala reboot (the more the merrier! she's always welcome here), and some sort of follower of the Turkish league getting on board here.
And, MommyGoat, whoever you are, welcome! (Back?) We'll take anyone who's a fan of, or has some insight into, Australia, Turkey, Ryan, etc.
Quote from: Mommy Goat on August 07, 2013, 06:53:04 AMI am comfortable with the occasional misplaced contraction but would never be so vapid as to suggest Turks speak Arabic.
B+ as well! Would have been at least an A-, except for the seemingly idiosyncratic use of vapid.
Glancing a bit more at Besiktas (bonus points for anyone who can get the diacritical marks going that remind us to pronounce those s's like sh's).
It looks like 75% of the squad turned over since last season? I wonder if that's typical? For the team? For the league?
It looks like _all_ of their international players left since last season, for other European teams.
Looks like they've had a couple of prominent NBA players in the past, but under unusual circumstances.
In 2010, after retiring from the NBA, Allen Iverson signed a two-year, $4M deal with Besiktas.
In 2011, during the NBA lockout, they had Deron Williams on a $5M contract.
They play in so many different kinds of competitions. But, it looks like the season may be roughly late September to mid-May.
They have it up on their English side now. C- for google translate, apparently!
https://www.bjk.com.tr/en/haber/56223/high_scoring_australian_forward_for_besiktas.html (https://www.bjk.com.tr/en/haber/56223/high_scoring_australian_forward_for_besiktas.html)
Here's their version:
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High- scoring Australian forward for Beşiktaş
Eagles continue to boost their roster as they have signed Ryan Broekhoff (born 1990 in Victoria, Australia) to a 1-year contract, with the option of a year extension.
A 6-foot-7 (2.01 m) shooting guard/small forward and an exceptional outside shooter, Broekhoff is former player of Valparaiso University in the United States, where he was named an All-American in 2012. He has representedAustraliain several international competitions.
So, apparently it's a 1-year deal with some kind of an option for a second. Googles translation, apparently not very good, of the original is below.
Quote from: agibson on August 05, 2013, 04:24:29 PMhttps://www.bjk.com.tr/tr/haber/56223/
Google translates it as
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Men's Basketball Team, the Australian striker Ryan Broekhoff'u added staff.
Men's Basketball Team continues to work before the transfer to the new season, the Australian striker Ryan Broekhoff two-year contract to be signed with a one year option.
Who is Ryan Broekhoff?
August 23, 1990 Australian-born player, who has played the most recent American College League, Valparaiso University. Australia's national team played in the striker position, playing young players and 2.01 meters tall.
So, Valpo gets a mention. As does the Aussie national team, of course. And I learn that it's a two-year contract with apparently some sort of option (player? club?) for a third.
And I lose a lot in translation. (I can _pronounce_ a _little_ Turkish. Beshiktash? Or is it Beshiktas? But I can understand basically none.)
Ryan's playing in Istanbul? This could be Giant!!<iframe width="420" height="315" src="//www.youtube.com/embed/AEZOoMqA3hg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe> (//http:////www.youtube.com/embed/AEZOoMqA3hg"%20frameborder="0"%20allowfullscreen></iframe>)
I tried to embed the music video, but I'm not that tech savvy, apparently...
Quote from: valporun on August 07, 2013, 12:41:34 PMRyan's playing in Istanbul? This could be Giant!! I tried to embed the music video, but I'm not that tech savvy, apparently...
I believe this is the video you were looking for. No need to embed the video. This board's format does it for you with just the web address for the youtube file.
They Might Be Giants - Istanbul (Not Constantinople) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wgc3F1XZTAw#)
Didn't They Might Be Giants come to Valpo while we were in school, Run?
"Istanbul (Not Constantinople)" is a 1953 swing-style song, with lyrics by Jimmy Kennedy and music by Nat Simon. The lyrics comically refer to the official 1930 renaming of the city of Constantinople to Istanbul. It also references other renamed cities, specifically the renaming of New York City from New Amsterdam.
"Istanbul (Not Constantinople)" was originally recorded by the Canadian group The Four Lads on August 12, 1953. This recording was released by Columbia Records as catalog number 40082. It first reached the Billboard magazine charts on October 24, 1953, and it peaked at #10. It was the group's first gold record.[3][4]
In honor of the 60th anniversary of the release of "Istanbul" on Monday, 8/12/13, here is the youtube video.
Included with this video is another song The Four Lads are famous for--Standing On the Corner (Watching All the Girls Go By)
FourLads-Istanbul/StandingOnTheCorner (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2dUFEupkb4#)
Hey I am still here lurking in the shadows and still like to read what you all have to say about everything. We are very excited for Ryan to be playing in Turkey. He is currently in camp for selection for the Boomers to play in the 2013 Oceania Championships against New Zealand, we will know if he makes the team in the next few days. Thank you to all the fans that maintain an interest in him. I am looking forward to Valpo's season starting and will keep an eye on how the team is going. G'day to you all from 'Down Under' :thumbsup:
I think they did, or they were there in 1998-99. I do remember hearing a lot of talk about They Might Be Giants having been at Valpo once, tx, but just not sure when it was they were there. Thanks for the info about embedding video here, and yes, there were a handful of Istanbul videos on YouTube, including the cartoon one that you posted, historyman.
Quote from: Mommy Goat on August 07, 2013, 06:53:04 AMMy alleged alter ego and I share very different, but perhaps equally annoying, contempt for bad grammar, on the one hand, and linguistic ignorance, on the other.
I like you already.
Quote from: koala on August 07, 2013, 05:33:35 PM
Hey I am still here lurking in the shadows and still like to read what you all have to say about everything. We are very excited for Ryan to be playing in Turkey. He is currently in camp for selection for the Boomers to play in the 2013 Oceania Championships against New Zealand, we will know if he makes the team in the next few days. Thank you to all the fans that maintain an interest in him. I am looking forward to Valpo's season starting and will keep an eye on how the team is going. G'day to you all from 'Down Under' :thumbsup:
Butler is in Australia and will be playing the Boomers on Saturday. Does anyone know if Ryan will be playing in that game?
If he makes the team then yes.
Please make the team and rain down 3's on Butler for us :)
Quote from: valpotx on August 08, 2013, 01:42:26 AM
Please make the team and rain down 3's on Butler for us :)
what tx said. ;)
Quote from: koala on August 07, 2013, 05:33:35 PMHey I am still here lurking in the shadows and still like to read what you all have to say about everything. We are very excited for Ryan to be playing in Turkey. He is currently in camp for selection for the Boomers to play in the 2013 Oceania Championships against New Zealand, we will know if he makes the team in the next few days. Thank you to all the fans that maintain an interest in him. I am looking forward to Valpo's season starting and will keep an eye on how the team is going. G'day to you all from 'Down Under' :thumbsup:
Glad to hear you're still with us, and thanks for the news!
I totally misunderstood a piece in the Herald Sun a few days ago
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/basketball/boomers-squad-without-jason-cadee-and-chris-goulding-8216best-in-years8217/story-fni2uang-1226691467978 (http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/basketball/boomers-squad-without-jason-cadee-and-chris-goulding-8216best-in-years8217/story-fni2uang-1226691467978)
there I guess the story really was just supposed to be the headline - that Cadee and Goulding weren't going to be at the camp. I misinterpreted it to mean that the roster for the New Zealand games had been set.
I'm very happy to hear that Ryan's at camp, and still in the running! Excellent opportunity just to train with them, and hopefully he'll become a regular on the Senior team.
Ryan gets good mention in some of the recent Basketball Australia news releases
http://www.basketball.net.au/index.php?id=302&tx_ttnews (http://www.basketball.net.au/index.php?id=302&tx_ttnews)[tt_news]=3020&tx_ttnews[backPid]=282&cHash=daf21d67ce
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Teenagers Dante Exum and Ben Simmons along with World University Games stars Cameron Bairstow and Ryan Broekhoff, who led the Emerging Boomers to the silver medal in Russia, will be out to stake their claim for a spot in the final 12.
...
Ryan Broekhoff / 201cm / Guard-Forward / 23 August 1990 / Free agent [in an August 2 story]
and
http://www.basketball.net.au/index.php?id=302&tx_ttnews (http://www.basketball.net.au/index.php?id=302&tx_ttnews)[tt_news]=3026&tx_ttnews[backPid]=282&cHash=c4553caa08
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The Emerging Boomers success at the World University Games has opened the door for Cameron Bairstow and Ryan Broekhoff to force their way into [Head Coach] Lemanis's calculations, while NBL frontcourt trio Luke Nevill, AJ Ogilvy and Anthony Petrie ensure a strong local contingent.
Lemanis will get a chance to test his troops prior to flying out to Auckland when US college powerhouse Butler University come to Canberra to take on the Boomers on Saturday.
Visiting our shores on a four-game tour of Australia, the Bulldogs have been one of the best performed programs in college basketball in recent years, reaching the NCAA Final Four in 2011 and 2012. The Butler team will feature former Australian Emus player Jackson Aldridge who is entering is junior year.
While the game will not be open to the general public, it will be attended by invited guests from the ACT Under 14, 16, 18 and 20 representative teams currently volunteering as part of the Opals and Boomers training camps and the FIBA Oceania Championships. The game will be open to media.
Should be interesting!
I notice Dellavedova is listed as a free agent, as well, though he apparently played for the Cavaliers in the NBA Summer League.
When I saw Ryan didn't make the roster for the New Zealand tune-up I thought he might be out
of contention for the Oceania
Interesting that AJ Ogilvy is playing back home in Australia. I was impressed by him a few years ago when we played Vanderbilt, and figured he would be in Europe somewhere.
Rowdy made the team and today the Boomers beat Butler 96 to 57, Rowdy hit 12 points in 15 minutes of game time. :thumbsup:
Fantastic results all around right there!
What a rude awakening for BU!
:( i was hoping for a hundred, which would have meant free Vegemite for all :)
Quote from: koala on August 10, 2013, 04:07:49 AM
Rowdy made the team and today the Boomers beat Butler 96 to 57, Rowdy hit 12 points in 15 minutes of game time. :thumbsup:
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap:
I'm not surprised about Ryan's performance or the final result. Ryan was HL MVP as a junior in Butler's last year. Undoubtedly, he's better than anyone Butler has. Pretty much a mismatch all the way around.
Quote from: koala on August 10, 2013, 04:07:49 AM
Rowdy made the team and today the Boomers beat Butler 96 to 57, Rowdy hit 12 points in 15 minutes of game time. :thumbsup:
That is just great news for Ryan in making the team, as well as for the Aussies beating Butler handily. :) Makes me want to head over to the Butler fan message board and read the post mortem comments. Will it be the horrible refs, the venue not good enough, the time difference, or just fire the coach now. I would venture to guess several posters on that board will be wailing about the sky falling and life as we know it ending. The Butler guys who post here excluded of course from my broad brush comment. Sorry to vent, but the arrogance of some Butler fans I witnessed in 2012 when Valpo hosted the HL tournament just amazed me.
Now for Ryan, does his good news mean he also is on the Aussie Olympic team, or is there another tryout for that team? Congratulations to Ryan and I wish you nothing but the best and continued success!!!!
First of all, congrats to Ryan for making the team ... that's quite an accomplishment given the level of talent and number of professionals/Olympians on the Boomers roster. Well done.
As for the game, the margin was disappointing, but the outcome certainly didn't come as a surprise. :-[ With Roosevelt Jones injured, Butler certainly isn't as talented or experienced right now as they were last season. Much like Valpo, they'll need some of the young guys to step in a contribute right away. Overall, the experience (and early practices) should be a positive ... we'll see. ::)
Quote from: zvillehaze on August 10, 2013, 02:46:47 PM
First of all, congrats to Ryan for making the team ... that's quite an accomplishment given the level of talent and number of professionals/Olympians on the Boomers roster. Well done.
As for the game, the margin was disappointing, but the outcome certainly didn't come as a surprise. :-[ With Roosevelt Jones injured, Butler certainly isn't as talented or experienced right now as they were last season. Much like Valpo, they'll need some of the young guys to step in a contribute right away. Overall, the experience (and early practices) should be a positive ... we'll see. ::)
Was that Butler/Australia game televised back to Indy?
Advance Australia Fair!
Losing what's his name, who was an amazing shooter, will clearly put pressure on Dunham to fill the void. I read somewhere where he was 0-11 in one of their games. Feeling the obligation to hit the three? Who knows. He'll be fine, as he is a very good player, once the season gets underway.
Quote from: vu72 on August 10, 2013, 04:21:41 PM
Losing what's his name, who was an amazing shooter, will clearly put pressure on Dunham to fill the void. I read somewhere where he was 0-11 in one of their games. Feeling the obligation to hit the three? Who knows. He'll be fine, as he is a very good player, once the season gets underway.
How can you forget Rotnei Clarke? ;)
Quote from: koala on August 10, 2013, 04:07:49 AM
Rowdy made the team and today the Boomers beat Butler 96 to 57, Rowdy hit 12 points in 15 minutes of game time. :thumbsup:
Fantastic! I don't suppose there's a box score?
Huge props to Rowdy on making the senior squad again!
The announcement's at:
http://www.basketball.net.au/index.php?id=302&tx_ttnews (http://www.basketball.net.au/index.php?id=302&tx_ttnews)[tt_news]=3027&tx_ttnews[backPid]=282&cHash=a741c93bdf
fun to see him listed with Besiktas
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Ryan Broekhoff / 201cm / Guard-Forward / 23 August 1990 / Besiktas JK Istanbul (Turkey)
and fun to see him as "Guard-Forward".
I wonder if they're going for a somewhat younger, forward looking squad against a not-overwhelmingly-strong New Zealand team? An 18 year old, a 17 year old, Bairstow from UNM, Rowdy, etc. And still Patty Mills, of course.
In any case, a great honor for Ryan - and very exciting to see him continue his development with the Boomers.
Quote from: bbtds on August 10, 2013, 09:53:18 PM
How can you forget Rotnei Clarke? ;)
I only just saw the he signed in Australia. Interesting...
I don't see too much media coverage of the Butler exhibition. The Indy Star ran a small piece
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130810/SPORTS0605/308100029/Butler-basketball-team-falls-2-1-Australian-tour (http://www.indystar.com/article/20130810/SPORTS0605/308100029/Butler-basketball-team-falls-2-1-Australian-tour)
No mention of Rowdy, but he came up quickly in the comment section.
4m12 for our man Rowdy. Attempted two three pointers, making one. Committed a foul.
Gets a mention in the game report.
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Momentum appeared to be shifted in the Australians favour as the opening period came to a dramatic end, with Ryan Broekhoff making a buzzer-beating three-pointer to give the visitors a 21-18 lead.
A limited role, but good to see him in the rotation. And, can still hit a buzzer beater!
The box score is up at
http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/151/08/71/70/896XOnZhe0J3w/ (http://www.fibalivestats.com/matches/151/08/71/70/896XOnZhe0J3w/)
with a game report at
http://www.basketball.net.au/index.php?id=302&tx_ttnews (http://www.basketball.net.au/index.php?id=302&tx_ttnews)[tt_news]=3037&tx_ttnews[backPid]=282&cHash=791fc8ae53
or, if that link's hard to parse, it's currently the first story in the rotation at
http://www.basketball.net.au/index.php?id=282 (http://www.basketball.net.au/index.php?id=282)
The Boomers came back from a 2nd quarter deficit to notch a 70-59 victory.
They host the All-Blacks (er, Tall Blacks) on Sunday - I think it's probably shortly after midnight Valpo time. It's on TV - so a live stream seems like a possibility, but perhaps at an awkward hour.
Looks like New Mexico's Bairstow managed to foul out in less than 9 minutes! (Assuming 5 gets you out in the international game.) While otherwise recording only a defensive rebound and a missed shot.
It seems like Rowdy's playing, for Besiktas. In the starting five for a Cup game on September 18. Presumably in a win (what's this? a double-elimination cup?) on September 19.
Maybe the league starts October 11.
Again on the 20th.
https://www.bjk.com.tr/tr/haber/56648/nizhny_novgorod_89_besiktas_integral_forex_88.html (https://www.bjk.com.tr/tr/haber/56648/nizhny_novgorod_89_besiktas_integral_forex_88.html)
They seem to often call him Breokhoff. The Turkish reports are more current, and more detailed. But, you have to translate them. And google doesn't love this one...
Broekhoff started on the 20th again, it seems. And his name is mentioned in the report several times. A one point loss. But, I can't quickly discern much more than that...
Starting's good. I don't notice box scores.
This might be Broekhoff scoring 14 in a match about a week before those?
http://skorer.milliyet.com.tr/potanin-kartallari-bu-kez-ucamadi-/besiktas/detay/1763467/default.htm (http://skorer.milliyet.com.tr/potanin-kartallari-bu-kez-ucamadi-/besiktas/detay/1763467/default.htm)
Ryan apparently playing his first pair of league games. If I am reading the box scores correctly, he scored 5 points and had 1 rebound in only 8 minutes on the court in game one; scored 2 points and had 2 rebounds plus an assist and a steal in 17 minutes of the second game:
http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Turkey/2013/1013_1035_6788.asp (http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Turkey/2013/1013_1035_6788.asp)
http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Eurocup/2013/1016_1035_392.asp (http://www.eurobasket.com/boxScores/Eurocup/2013/1016_1035_392.asp)
I think one's a Turkish league game, and the other a Eurocup game (European competition, instead of Turkish). I suppose in soccer even that "Euro_cup" game would still a "league" game, not a "cup" game. Just a "Champions League"/"Europa League" type international league. Anyhow, thanks for the links! Nice to see things are getting started.
When I went to the English language site there was Ryan right on the front page, taking it to the basket.
https://www.bjk.com.tr/images/news/bjk-st-706_1.jpg (https://www.bjk.com.tr/images/news/bjk-st-706_1.jpg)
It's interesting how they have his nationality as Dutch, even though he's Australian. I'm guessing both of his parents were Dutch with a name like Broekhoff.
Using a Dutch passport probably helps them count him as an EU player, not a foreign player. I believe most European leagues have a limit on foreign players.
Quote from: classof2014 on October 17, 2013, 06:45:13 PM
It's interesting how they have his nationality as Dutch, even though he's Australian. I'm guessing both of his parents were Dutch with a name like Broekhoff.
He may be eligible for a dutch passport, might have been eligible to play for the Dutch national team (before appearing for the senior men's Australian team - though I'm not 100% what competitions count), etc. I think that may well be on his father's side. His mother might perhaps have Dutch ancestry as well, but she comes across as Australian in person! Neither Dutch nor Australian presentations a bad thing for sure, I have friends from both places, but not so similar!
Looks like Ryan rode the pine against Galatasaray, probably one of the tougher teams in the Turkish league. But, in the Eurocup games he's playing "first-off-the-bench" type minutes, 17 and 19 per game. 2-3 from long range helping to a career-best 9 points last night, with three assists, a steal, and a rebound. Besiktas just squeaked that one out, 72-70 - maybe a confidence builder they needed after a slow start to group play in the Eurocup.
http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Ryan_Broekhoff/Valparaiso_University/151639 (http://basketball.eurobasket.com/player/Ryan_Broekhoff/Valparaiso_University/151639)
Any bench minutes are good minutes for Rowdy. We have to remember that he is a Rookie, and some European leagues have really good competition among their top teams (Turkey is one of them). It isn't NBA-level, but he will still have to work for his minutes this year.