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And Anthony Allison.

Dwayne Toatley was another EXTREMELY popular transfer player.

Jay was sick and did not travel, Matt was sick went with the team and did not play, even Ryan was just getting over being quite ill if I remember right.   

This. It spoke volumes.

Column was late and lazy.
And riddled with factual errors. How can anyone expect their opinion to be taken seriously when they are continually wrong on the simple facts.

Jason King just reported on Twitter no additional sanctions for Baylor
https://twitter.com/#!/JasonKingESPN/status/190158430521135105

More or less my point:
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/18425185/release-of-ncaa-violations-a-great-day-at-baylor-and-hes-not-kidding

Also, generalizations and accusations that cannot be backed up don't strengthen your argument.  Saying every program has broken rules or done something wrong over the same timespan as Baylor is foolish.

I don't think it is foolish at all. On the contrary, I am trying to point out both the selective outcry when certain schools are found to have broken rules, or committed violations, and also the selective doggedness with which the NCAA goes after certain schools.

I know this will not sit well with many, but Tark -- himself no angel, but at least he wasn't a hypocrite and he called out the NCAA for its corruptness -- was fond of saying, "The NCAA is so mad at Kentucky they just put Cleveland State on probation."

Scott already has faced some penalties self-imposed by the school. The question is whether the NCAA will add to them.

It is a joke. Just because it is a rule doesn't mean it has that much validity. Consider the rule has since been changed. And while the numbers seem like a lot, the reality is it is spread over a period of 2 1/2 years, which is basically 900 days. Those numbers on a proper scale don't seem that bad to me in the world of big-time recruiting.
Also consider also that any program investigated over the span of time the Baylor program was investigated for would be found to have done something wrong. Any program.

Point is, those incidents with K and Williams were just within the past year. Their careers are peppered with such incidents. But over time they have built up the capacity to be insulated from most of these allegations. Scott has not. Lester Earl, Jaron Rush, Chris Duhon.

Interesting take here: http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/09/baylor-fans-should-be-ecstatic-about-the-timing-of-espns-report/

Now that is a very distorted opinion from one writer. He completely misses the fact that Homer was an asst at LSU and the reason Scott Drew took the job at Baylor after only one year of head coaching experience at Valpo.

I am not here to defend Scott, but I don't find that to be a distorted opinion. In fact, I find it to be a very realistic attempt at connecting the dots.
The reporter who broke the story, Jason King, is very close to the Baylor program. Incidentally, he is also the writer who broke the news that Bryce interviewed at Mississippi State. Connect these dots: How would a Big 12 writer with ties to the Baylor program know that Bryce interviewed for an SEC job when that writer covers neither Valpo nor the SEC? And also ask yourself this: who would benefit from that information leaking out to the national media?

I also enjoyed the fact Baylor announced -- on the same day the violation story broke -- that Perry Jones III was leaving for the NBA, and Quincy Miller taking to Twitter to ask Baylor fans what he should do concerning his future. All this stuff is timed and orchestrated for a reason.

The violations story is basically a joke. A 29-month investigation yielded only impermissible phone calls? Oh my goodness! Baylor fans should be happy that is all the NCAA found. Scott Drew and Baylor get the sanctimonious treatment from the NCAA and people want to pile on because they are an easy target and do not have the cache of someone like the great Coach K or Roy Williams -- the sainted ones -- who both have also been involved in recruiting violations within the past calendar year.

Bryce tells Oren he's staying
https://twitter.com/#!/NWIOren

Bryce was not an Associated Press All-American at any time during his Valpo career. That was the honor to which I was referring.

http://www.nwitimes.com/uncategorized/drew-still-proving-a-point/article_b837eeb8-eb2d-52c6-9b77-d243984bad26.html

I know search engines are good but there are many stories on Bryce and many stories on All-Americans. How did you find this story?

That story stuck out in my mind since back then so I searched Bryce's name and added the date parameters and eventually found it.

just a hunch

Bryce was not an Associated Press All-American at any time during his Valpo career. That was the honor to which I was referring.

http://www.nwitimes.com/uncategorized/drew-still-proving-a-point/article_b837eeb8-eb2d-52c6-9b77-d243984bad26.html

Well deserved honor for Ryan.
Bryce did not even receive this recognition in his playing days (much to his chagrin at the time). I think he made out OK in the end!

When we lose Butler, we will replace them with at least one team.  Our conference is much less likely to have future teams poached from it, because we would be losing our only nationally relevant program.  This 'alliance' will continue to have teams poached from it by the highest rated conferences, and they will replace with football-playing FBS programs.  Can you see other HL teams being taken by the higher conferences? 

Yes, you strike while the iron is hot, but Tulsa is not even close to the step up he should take.  You can wallow away in Tulsa recruiting against the other Oklahoma and Texas schools that pilfer the area, and end up out of a job after a few years.  If he makes the jump to another school, I see it after next season when he takes us to the NCAA, and his name is even more talked about by better programs.

I don't necessarily disagree with anything you are saying here, or have said in the other posts. I am just trying to point out the other side of it.
And if you are Bryce, and confident in your abilities, there is no way you think you wallow away in Tulsa, like Doug Wojcik. You see yourself as the next Nolan Richardson, Bill Self or Tubby Smith, who have been previously mentioned as having Tulsa on their resumes.

in a conference situation that is going to be in flux for many years to come

if Butler leaves, will this not be the case with the Horizon as well?

If you just finished your first year as a HC and have everyone coming back, why would you leave now, instead of when better opportunities would come about after an even better second year??

Because you always strike while the iron is hot. Exhibit A: Chris Lowry.

If I weren't interested in a job, I would not interview.

If Bryce believes in his ability as a coach, maybe he looks at the Tulsa opening as an opportunity to succeed in C-USA and to continue to move up the coaching ladder in another couple years. Maybe he looks and sees they have more resources, better facilities, a more supportive administration and then thinks this is his logical next step.

I would not dismiss this report out of hand. And if it's not this job opportunity, there will be others in the very near future.

It's interesting that someone mentioned Bryce and Powell heading to Illinois, because I actually heard something about Scott going to Illinois, though I have no idea if there's any truth to that.

Of course there is no truth to it - there is no opening at Illinois.  Yet.  Nor would a coach about to go into the NCAA tournament even think about leaving.  Three weeks from now, speculation can lead to rumors, which might lead to reality - but not always.

Well, most of the time. I'm remembering a coach who left a good program for one in the desert, and wanted to coach in the tournament.  AD said no, and an assitant won the whole thing.  Can't remember the former coaches name?

It's interesting that someone mentioned Bryce and Powell heading to Illinois, because I actually heard something about Scott going to Illinois, though I have no idea if there's any truth to that.

Of course there is no truth to it - there is no opening at Illinois.  Yet.  Nor would a coach about to go into the NCAA tournament even think about leaving.  Three weeks from now, speculation can lead to rumors, which might lead to reality - but not always.

Well, most of the time. I'm remembering a coach who left a good program for one in the desert, and wanted to coach in the tournament.  AD said no, and an assitant won the whole thing.  Can't remember the former coaches name?

Bill Frieder when he left Michigan for Arizona State.

Can we put one issue to rest. There's no way McCallum didn't know his dunk came with time left on the clock. I clearly noticed him glance at the clock when he started his drive with about :03 left. When the ball went through there was about 1.2 on the clock. The clock actually should have stopped at that time for the ball to be inbounded, but I think everybody was so shocked at what he just did that they let the clock run out. Of all players to perform such a low class act, it comes from the son of a coach.

this.
mccallum had the ball and looked up at the clock, saw there was plenty of time left, THEN swooped in from the wing for the dunk.
Calculated move.

Perhaps the attractiveness of Bryce to other schools might work to our advantage (at least until his dream team comes courting), because VU will believe they have to commit to enhancements in facilities and building the program in order to preserve Bryce's commitment to Valpo.

Excellent, and +1!

As long as Bryce remains hamstrung recruitingwise by having to sell the program through a substandard crap facility, VU is in danger of losing him at any time.  If you think he's going to stick around like his father did for 20 years with substandard facilities when our "arena" is the worst in the league by far, I've got some prime oceanfront real estate to sell you in the middle of the Everglades.

my point exactly. well put

I think someone else brought up the possibility of Bryce leaving, not me.

The Drews are very well-connected in college athletics. Scott has already blazed a trail for Bryce to follow. And you never know what a school is going to be looking for. I would imagine Bryce is an excellent interview with an the type of profile that makes college administrators all hot and sweaty.

I didn't say necessarily it had to be a Big 6 conference, but you never know how dominos fall in the offseason. My only point is this: there is going to come a time when the university has to make additional investments in Bryce and in the program that will be mandated by a couple factors: the success Bryce has had early on, and other suitors willing to give it to him. Matt Painter was almost forced to leave Purdue last year for the same reason.
And please, I am not comparing Bryce to Painter. I am comparing scenarios.

I love the job Bryce has done this year and expect bigger and better things from and for him in the future.  I would not expect him to stay at VU for his entire coaching career, but holy cow, guys, this is his first year. How about letting him get a little more experience before we have him moving on to bigger and better things?

That's not up to us.
It's up to the other schools who are looking for a new head coach and to Valpo.

Bryce is (obviously) an extremely competitive guy.
Having a taste of success this year that he has had, he is going to want to build on it, and not just maintain at the same level.
That will require a stronger commitment from the university. What if they don't step up?

What if Bryce decides, 'You know what? If I want to go to the Final Four, I've got to go somewhere else.'?

Honestly this could happen sooner than later. You don't think schools are gonna come at him hard now after what he did this year?

Bryce leaving valpo is absolutely ridiculous. At least not for some years. Brad Stevens didn't leave Butler, and he easily could have.

Stevens has a lot more resources at his disposal to keep his program at the level at which he wants to compete. Don't forget that.
If Bryce asks for an upgrade in recruiting budget, or assistant pay, and the school turns him down, what then?
My only point is when Butler had success, the school reinvested in the program. If Valpo won't do that for Bryce, then it won't ever do it for anybody and it is time to move on.

oh boy, here we go.
let the speculation commence!