Where is Peters next season?

[agibson]

In the end I'm Glad my kid was wrong. Okay?

Wilco can speak for himself, but, for my part, and I bet for many of us, there are no hard feelings. You gave your source perfectly clearly. We all knew it was word of mouth, filtered a couple of times. And, I know lots of us appreciate your enthusiasm and connection to the university and program.

I figure it's good fun to have a mix of speculation, rumors, inside scoops, legitimate reporting, etc, etc. We don't want to be completely irresponsible, or blow anything _too_ far out of proportion. But, what's the internet for?

[Valpower]

Listen pal, I was only reporting what was being said by at least a few kids on campus. Valpo is a small enough campus where word can get around fairly quickly. I highly doubted it as it didn't make sense and I posted as such with rationale behind it but these are 18-22 year old kids and often times they don't make sense. I know my kid doesn't half the time but I still love her anyway. I just threw it out there as there are several others on this board that are connected with inner workings of the program that may have heard the same thing or refuted it fairly quickly. And you know that there are scumbags and slime balls in the rough and tumble world of college basketball that will pounce on an opportunity to steal a kid from a program going through a coaching right? Heck, they'll even try and poach while the coach is still there. In the end I'm Glad my kid was wrong. Okay?

"Listen, pal?" I'm sorry, ValpoDad89, but that seems like an ill-humored reaction to a well-deserved ribbing.  I wasn't going to pile on when rogerwilco satirized you, but I did feel that your insights were rumormongering and didn't say anything. Face it; when you report something apocryphal, don't just be glad that you were wrong; accept the backlash for fueling unsubstantiated worry.

[ValpoFan]

ValpoDad, I hope you are not too sensitive. This forum will be very boring if a joke doesn't get thrown out every now and then 

[rogerwilco]

Listen pal...If you can't appreciate a good "Ferris Bueller's Day Off" reference and a joke, then you need to breathe some helium and lighten up!


It's all in good fun. 


We all hear things. When I was a student, a common story that went around campus was that Bryce Drew kicked people out of his apartment for cursing. Was it true? I don't know. Was it funny? Oh yeah. So, we had many laughs about that. Another tale that drifted around campus was that Bryce used to run in brand-new Polo shirts that he cut the sleeves off of. Was it true? Oh yeah. I saw it. Was it funny? Super funny. Bryce was kinda lame and tone-deaf to what was considered "cool." He was a goody-goody. However, he was authentic.


Relax ValpoDad89. We're all on the same team and we're having fun. It's the off-season! Don't be like Cameron! Be like Ferris!

[ValpoDad89]

I watched a lot of episodes of the Honeymooners when I was younger. Listen Pal is built into my vernacular because of that, so you'll have to forgive me.

[ARCInsider]

People like jokes around here every once in a while.  But most of the funny posters have moved on.

[a3uge]

People like jokes around here every once in a while.  But most of the funny posters have moved on.

RIP LPA, SectionEE.

[covufan]

People like jokes around here every once in a while.  But most of the funny posters have moved on.

Funny, how?

Henry Hill: You're a pistol, you're really funny. You're really funny.

Tommy DeVito: What do you mean I'm funny?

Henry Hill: It's funny, you know. It's a good story, it's funny, you're a funny guy.

[laughs]

Tommy DeVito: What do you mean, you mean the way I talk? What?

Henry Hill: It's just, you know. You're just funny, it's... funny, you know the way you tell the story and everything.

Tommy DeVito: [it becomes quiet] Funny how? What's funny about it?

Anthony Stabile: Tommy no, you got it all wrong.

Tommy DeVito: Oh, oh, Anthony. He's a big boy, he knows what he said. What did ya say? Funny how?

Henry Hill: Jus...

Tommy DeVito: What?

Henry Hill: Just... ya know... you're funny.

Tommy DeVito: You mean, let me understand this cause, ya know maybe it's me, I'm a little fucked up maybe, but I'm funny how, I mean funny like I'm a clown, I amuse you? I make you laugh, I'm here to  ' amuse you? What do you mean funny, funny how? How am I funny?

Henry Hill: Just... you know, how you tell the story, what?

Tommy DeVito: No, no, I don't know, you said it. How do I know? You said I'm funny. How the   am I funny, what the   is so funny about me? Tell me, tell me what's funny!

Henry Hill: [long pause] Get the   out of here, Tommy!

Tommy DeVito: [everyone laughs] Ya  ! I almost had him, I almost had him. Ya stuttering prick ya. Frankie, was he shaking? I wonder about you sometimes, Henry. You may fold under questioning.

[ARCInsider]

People like jokes around here every once in a while.  But most of the funny posters have moved on.

RIP LPA, SectionEE.

RIP LPA, Section EE, SadersoftheLostArc, DMValpo18, Crusader03...the list goes on and on

[agibson]

RIP LPA, Section EE, SadersoftheLostArc, DMValpo18, Crusader03...the list goes on and on

But, mostly anonymous message board and all, you have to wonder how many distinct individuals those five names represent. And whether they're actually gone.

[covufan]

RIP LPA, Section EE, SadersoftheLostArc, DMValpo18, Crusader03...the list goes on and on

But, mostly anonymous message board and all, you have to wonder how many distinct individuals those five names represent. And whether they're actually gone.

LPA still logs in from time to time, but only to read - never posting anything.

[ARCInsider]

RIP LPA, Section EE, SadersoftheLostArc, DMValpo18, Crusader03...the list goes on and on

But, mostly anonymous message board and all, you have to wonder how many distinct individuals those five names represent. And whether they're actually gone.

I believe it has been pretty well established that LAA and Saders are the same person.

[ValpoDad89]

Guys I really can go through a ribbing and justly I deserved it. I don't rumor monger at all. I try and vet the sources my daughter mentioned and her main source who is prominent at every home game and carries the flag and knows things we don't. This gentleman knows and hangs with Max, Trevonn and David . I knew this going in and when he said what he said to her had a time stamp wait on it, but had carried weight to the extent of that I or we didn't know. Hence why I posted it. Hoping someone knew something more than I did.

They (the players) told him (her source at a party) on Saturday when they knew Bryce went to the Final 4 to interview they felt they needed to look. And they were hurt and had no idea where they would be or where the "new staff" would have them so they were looking at options. These kids had some options, they really did. There was contact I can assure you that. If SI can find that out these kids knew sooner there's no way the kids didn't know more than SI either. It is not hard to know you're coach and his #1 Assistsnt go to the Final Foir for anything but.

But none of them, bless their souls did anything but wait. And our choice in Head Coach ameliorated thier concern and here we are. They know like I and everyone else here, their best option is staying and enjoying the ride that Valpo will give them.

And Roger Wilco, despite seeing the movie several times I missed the reference. Great call my friend. Great call cuz you was spot on. And I didn't need to react the way I did. I am passionate about this program, I truly am because I have become so indifferent to my own, DePaul, that I've grabbed the brass ring of my daughter going here and I love rooting for the proverbial underdog that has the potential to be something so special.

[bbtds]

People like jokes around here every once in a while.  But most of the funny posters have moved on.

....AND THEN THERE ARE THOSE OF US WHO ARE FUNNY IN OUR OWN MIND!

[ValpoDad89]

Okay, let's talk about Alec Peters in specific. Alec has declared for the draft but doesn't have an agent, prudent move on his part. Alec has a great inside / out game, that we know. Alec has been on ESPN more than a few times and people know who he is including NBA people. There really isn't more he can do than kick ass in his workouts.

Now if he doesn't like where he's positioned in the draft, he can come back or transfer. Now I looked at 4 year transfers, they are typically looking for playing time or looking at improving their prominence with a lesser program. Alec doesn't have that worry coming back. He's OUR guy, He's this staffs guy. He will continue to be that man and get multiple touches every possesion. He won't get that at say, Michigan State or even Vandy. Plus he has a loyalty to his fellow players and Valpo that you don't see from a kid. Alec is and has been noticed, all he has to do is build on that. NBA first rounders, outside of blue chippers are made at the NBA camps and individual team workouts.

If Alec impresses and leaves us because the higher league called, good for Valpo as we just produced a draft pick. How can the rest of the rest of the HL compete with that on the recruiting trail. If he doesn't like his draft slot or doesn't get drafted, I like his chances coming back...big time.

[d0uble3m]

I don't think anyone has a good idea of where Alec will be next year right now mostly because I think his biggest influence will be the advice he gets from the NBA scouts in the next month.

I do not think he is NBA ready today and judging by what I'm reading at most mock drafts/NBA draft rankings, the experts don't think so either. He will go through the whole NBA workout landscape for two reasons:

1. (And most importantly) For the chance that he shows up nearly everyone in the gym and impresses the hell out of the scouts against the best competition in the world and jumps up 50-80 spots in the current draft rankings. (I've seen him presently sitting at #32 Junior which isn't anywhere close to being drafted if this holds true.)

2. (And most realistically) To get a better idea at where he sits and to get advice on how to use next season to climb the draft ladder. If the feedback that he gets says dominate in the Horizon, set Valpo records, etc., etc., then he will be back. If the consensus advice is that he needs to prove himself against power 5 talent night in and night out, then I think there is a good chance he will be elsewhere next season. I believe that this is the advice that BW received. I think the reality is that after their Junior seasons, neither had the body of work to make a great case for the NBA... Lucky for Alec, the new rule gives him another stage to prove himself to the scouts.

However, I'm nervous the advice he will get will be the latter...

[ValpoDad89]

Double, you bring up good points but what these camps tell you is what you need to work on, now it's up the individual to work on thier deficiencies. They don't talk about potential schools that will help you, they keep it to your individual game. Alec will get advice onto what he needs to do. Valpo can provide him that.

Perspective, Quentin Richardson put DePaul back on the NCAA map back in 2000. He would've been a NBA first rounder had he come out as a freshmen. He didn't. Why? Because the NBA pundits wanted to see him hit from the outside. Q had an inate ability to Rodman and out rebound taller guys. He could do the double hop where he went for a ball, missed it  but could launch himself again to get he board or put back They knew that but wanted a more complete game. He delivered his Sophmore year and did just that. He ended up being a lottery pick rather than a high teen pick where he would've been and made millions because of that.

Can Alec build on what he has right now to be 1st Rounder? If he stays and dominates and adheres to the advices of the Pundits can he build on his draft standing, that's up to him. What I know, Lottich will make him a focal point of this offense. Valpo will get some love from ESPN. He will get big time exposure to do what he does best. I can say this, what you do in the predraft camps and what you do you do I the teams (NBA) that is workouts, go a long way on your draftabilty than what you do in college. In fact college can hurt you some if you are an afterthought on a team.

As far as Vandy goes, they have a very good returning team and potential class. Drew would do more harm than good with that team by courting Peters. He would lose what he has big time.

[vu84v2]

I agree with all of the comments regarding whether Alec will stay or leave, but I would like to add one more perspective. If Alec is not ultimately in the NBA draft (likely) and there is feedback that he needs to somehow prove himself in a Power 5 (6 counting the Big East) conference, he also needs to consider whether options exist where he would start and play big minutes. This reduces the number of possibilities quite a bit, but would leave some options. While I ultimately want him to stay at Valpo, he would (for example) be a very good fit at Kansas given Perry Ellis graduating. This potential opportunity of Peters at Kansas has been mentioned in the local press here. His fit and opportunity gets even better if one of the less developed freshman decided to go into the draft. The point is that there are many moving pieces and no one is going to really know how this shakes out until late May or June.

I would think and hope that Vandy is not an option. Bryce has always been extremely ethical and him going to Vandy would be at least perceived as unethical.

[VULB#62]

I would add that he would only want to go to a P5/6 program that would (1) have an available slot, (2) guarantee him big minutes AND (3) will be a sure thing to be major player in the NCAAT.  Scoring, say 20 PPG and hauling in 7 RPG for a bottom dweller in the B1G or SEC or whatever would bury him.  He'd be better off at Valpo scoring 24 PPG and 9 RPG, getting conference POY, and leading Valpo back to the dance.  The combination of the three criteria reduce the places he could go to.  Obviously Kansas would be ideal.  But how many schools out there are sitting there waiting and keeping a slot available for him to decide by May 25th?

[atkins]

Alec is (and has been since I saw him play years ago) my favorite player on the team, so I hope he returns.  I agree with the view on this thread that Alec is not close to NBA-ready.  I do not think that going to Kansas or any other top program will allow him to be featured as a "hot prospect" for the NBA.  Brandon Wood's time at Michigan State certainly did not enhance his draft status.  In fact, he clearly was a mere mortal compared to the starting members of that team.  I am afraid Alec might incur the same fate, where his weaknesses would be regularly on display on national television.  Why risk it? 

He's already being compared to a Doug McDermott by the national media.  At a top program, just a couple of bad games -- or being relegated to sixth-man status at any point during the season -- would destroy that fine comparison.  As we know, the level of play at the top programs is substantially higher.  I'm not sure Alec would have been able to match-up well against the 2015 Final Four defenders.  At least Valpo will give him the chance to continue to shine and eliminate his weaknesses, thereby positioning him for a realistic shot at the NBA. 

[VULB#62]

The more learned opinions I read here, the more I think a grad transfer would be a huge gamble on Alec's part and the risks would outnumber the benefits.

[a3uge]

The more learned opinions I read here, the more I think a grad transfer would be a huge gamble on Alec's part and the risks would outnumber the benefits.

Alec has a chance to put up insane numbers at Valpo. The Horizon is full of teams that do not play defense and will give Valpo extra possessions. I can't really think of a grad-tran that improved their draft stock switching to a power conference program. Look at the good mid majors that transfered this year - Ike Namwu, Anton Grady... Damion Lee?

[a3uge]

Who was the last Horizon League player to leave early and be drafted? I believe that it was Shelvin Mack but I'm not sure.

Ray McCallum.

[FWalum]

I agree with all of the comments regarding whether Alec will stay or leave, but I would like to add one more perspective. If Alec is not ultimately in the NBA draft (likely) and there is feedback that he needs to somehow prove himself in a Power 5 (6 counting the Big East) conference, he also needs to consider whether options exist where he would start and play big minutes. This reduces the number of possibilities quite a bit, but would leave some options. While I ultimately want him to stay at Valpo, he would (for example) be a very good fit at Kansas given Perry Ellis graduating. This potential opportunity of Peters at Kansas has been mentioned in the local press here. His fit and opportunity gets even better if one of the less developed freshman decided to go into the draft. The point is that there are many moving pieces and no one is going to really know how this shakes out until late May or June.

Josh Jackson, a 6-foot-7 guard and Rivals.com's top-ranked player in the class of 2016, committed to the Kansas men's basketball team on Monday.  While not an exact fill in for Ellis I don't think if I were Alec that I would want to potentially compete with a "one and done" for playing time. This kid doesn't really play like a guard.

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/sports/college/big-12/university-of-kansas/article71267547.html#storylink=cpy

[ValpoDad89]

And that my friends is the big issue with the big time programs. They are over recruiting guys on their rosters as it is now. Most of the real big boys take 4 year guys to fill a need. Defense specialist, outside shooter rather than be a focal point of their team. Plus they don't want to alienate the big time recruits they spent big time on in both money and well, time.