I just attended the Valpo High School game against Lake Central.
LC is loaded, starting with Glenn Robinson III who is going to Michigan.
But, LC also has a very good sophomore - 6-7 Tyler Wideman. The kid already weighs at least 230. He is smooth around the basket.
Bryce needs to offer him a scholarship now, if he hasn't already. But I think Purdue is after him. Wideman scored 23 against Valpo, and it could have been more if they needed him. I think the final was 62-39.
Quote from: Valpo89 on December 02, 2011, 09:34:46 PM
I just attended the Valpo High School game against Lake Central.
LC is loaded, starting with Glenn Robinson III who is going to Michigan.
But, LC also has a very good sophomore - 6-7 Tyler Wideman. The kid already weighs at least 230. He is smooth around the basket.
Bryce needs to offer him a scholarship now, if he hasn't already. But I think Purdue is after him. Wideman scored 23 against Valpo, and it could have been more if they needed him. I think the final was 62-39.
He has a Purdue offer and is being pursued by most of the Big Ten. He would be a great get for Valpo, but it's a long shot for sure.
Word is that SF Alec Peters '13 will take an unofficial visit to Valparaiso this weekend.
(AMAGYLON PRESENTS) Washington Community High School Forward Alec Peters '13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDibamWepbk#ws)
One article I found says he wants to study engineering. Advantage--VALPO!!
lot of down time in that video. looks like he'd be a good get and with lots of other HL teams on that list of supposed suitors it would make signing him even sweeter.
Must be out of touch...is that the standard form of video that players use to communicate to colleges?
Dont get me wrong, nicely done, but wouldnt colleges want to review more than highlights film, such as defensive abilities, rebounding skills, and overall abilities within a team concept. Understood that most analysis now takes place in July during evaluations, perhaps these are another form of marketing the student athlete.
lowposter
Quote from: lowposter on December 16, 2011, 11:09:07 AM
Must be out of touch...is that the standard form of video that players use to communicate to colleges?
Dont get me wrong, nicely done, but wouldnt colleges want to review more than highlights film, such as defensive abilities, rebounding skills, and overall abilities within a team concept. Understood that most analysis now takes place in July during evaluations, perhaps these are another form of marketing the student athlete.
lowposter
Videos like this are just a "foot in the door" move. They generate some interest, get coaches talking. If they like what they see, they will request game film so they can get a look at the entire picture.
What Crusader03 said, marketing pure and simple. All you can tell from the video is that the kid has a nice mid-range jump shot. I hate these things.... and parents pay to have this slick stuff put together. Would rather see just raw video with out the music and closeups. I don't need to have a music credit on a video to help me evaluate a player.
If you see Alec when he is on campus this weekend, don't get too close ;) :
WASHINGTON WINS WITHOUT TOP SCORER
BLOOMINGTON — Washington went on the road without Alec Peters and won, 61-53 over Bloomington on Saturday night.
Washington (4-1) found out Monday that Peters, a 6-foot-7 junior averaging 24 points and eight rebounds, has mononucleosis. He is expected to be sidelined three to four weeks.
"Going on the road without Alec, that's a good win," Washington coach Kevin Brown said.
Keeping Track of Clay Yeo: 31 pts., 8 rebounds—
Facing its third ranked team in five games, a slow start and sporadic play were too much for New Prairie's boys basketball team to overcome on Friday night against Class A No. 7 Triton.
Add to that a solid 1-2 scoring punch from Trojan junior Clay Yeo and sophomore Tanner Shepherd and it proved too much for the Cougars (2-3, 0-1 Northern State Conference) in a 49-41 setback to the Trojans (5-2, 1-0 NSC) at Cougar Gym.
The Valparaiso University-bound Yeo had a big night, scoring 31 points on 12-of-15 shooting. He also grabbed a game-high eight rebounds.
http://heraldargus.com/articles/2011/12/17/sports/doc4eebe3c1246ad113799480.txt (http://heraldargus.com/articles/2011/12/17/sports/doc4eebe3c1246ad113799480.txt)
We sat next to Alec Peters and his Dad, Jeff at the Oakland game. Quality people, seemed very interested in Valpo, liked the coaching staff and the fact that they are young and relate to young players, mentioned that the staff seems to like being at Valpo and appears that the staff would be there for at least the near future so Alec could count on them all being on the staff while he attends , is impressed by our academics, would like to be close to home so family could watch him play as often as possible as their family is very close knit ... Dad said Green Bay also is interested...Jeff asked about the bigger rivalry games coming up at home and figured Butler would be among them...I said you bet they are. I mentioned that it was a Friday night game and would be a sellout for sure and a great Valpo home game experience. I also mentioned the Cleveland State game on a Sunday afternoon and gave him the dates. Both Alec and his Dad sounded very interested in attending saying they would talk to Coach Powell about attending and getting tickets. While it was a surprize that they were next to us they appeard to be impressed by what they had seen during their visit as they got in about 4:30 Saturday afternoon, meeting the Coaches , shoot-around,etc. My impression was that they are very interested in Valpo. He already has offers from IPFW and UIC.
Quote from: valpo64 on December 18, 2011, 08:22:13 PM
We sat next to Alec Peters and his Dad, Jeff at the Oakland game. Quality people, seemed very interested in Valpo, liked the coaching staff and the fact that they are young and relate to young players, mentioned that the staff seems to like being at Valpo and appears that the staff would be there for at least the near future so Alec could count on them all being on the staff while he attends , is impressed by our academics, would like to be close to home so family could watch him play as often as possible as their family is very close knit ... Dad said Green Bay also is interested...Jeff asked about the bigger rivalry games coming up at home and figured Butler would be among them...I said you bet they are. I mentioned that it was a Friday night game and would be a sellout for sure and a great Valpo home game experience. I also mentioned the Cleveland State game on a Sunday afternoon and gave him the dates. Both Alec and his Dad sounded very interested in attending saying they would talk to Coach Powell about attending and getting tickets. While it was a surprize that they were next to us they appeard to be impressed by what they had seen during their visit as they got in about 4:30 Saturday afternoon, meeting the Coaches , shoot-around,etc. My impression was that they are very interested in Valpo. He already has offers from IPFW and UIC.
Quote from: valpopal on December 16, 2011, 05:36:16 PM
Washington (4-1) found out Monday that Peters, a 6-foot-7 junior averaging 24 points and eight rebounds, has mononucleosis. He is expected to be sidelined three to four weeks.
I guess since he has mono he has more time to make some Valpo games?
I saw Coach Powell and Vashil talking with a big young kid about an hour before the game Saturday. Hopefully the kid will put out a better highlight tape for us to enjoy!
Quote from: sectionee on December 18, 2011, 09:13:48 PM
I saw Coach Powell and Vashil talking with a big young kid about an hour before the game Saturday. Hopefully the kid will put out a better highlight tape for us to enjoy!
the parents nor alec had any control of the video put out on this kid. this company picks random kids and puts out the video as a marketing tool for their company.
Here is another recruit with an offer from VU: Jubril Adekoya '13
Adekoya, a 6-foot-6 junior, is making a name for himself -- and his school, which will carry a 6-0 record into the 62nd annual Kankakee Holiday Tournament Dec. 28-30 in Kankakee. He already has scholarship offers from Loyola, Akron, Toledo and Valparaiso and is averaging 16 points and 12 rebounds per game.
"He is the third Division I player in 35 years at Andrew," said coach Mike O'Halloran. "The assistant coach at Valparaiso, (former Illinois star) Roger Powell, said he reminds him of himself. He is very intelligent, knowledgeable and has great leadership skills. And as good a player as he is, he is even better off the court."
http://www.csnchicago.com/12/19/11/Adekoya-attracts-attention-at-Andrew/landing.html?blockID=615026&feedID=629 (http://www.csnchicago.com/12/19/11/Adekoya-attracts-attention-at-Andrew/landing.html?blockID=615026&feedID=629)
Quote from: valpo64 on December 18, 2011, 08:22:13 PM
We sat next to Alec Peters and his Dad, Jeff at the Oakland game. Quality people, seemed very interested in Valpo, liked the coaching staff and the fact that they are young and relate to young players, mentioned that the staff seems to like being at Valpo and appears that the staff would be there for at least the near future so Alec could count on them all being on the staff while he attends , is impressed by our academics, would like to be close to home so family could watch him play as often as possible as their family is very close knit ... Dad said Green Bay also is interested...Jeff asked about the bigger rivalry games coming up at home and figured Butler would be among them...I said you bet they are. I mentioned that it was a Friday night game and would be a sellout for sure and a great Valpo home game experience. I also mentioned the Cleveland State game on a Sunday afternoon and gave him the dates. Both Alec and his Dad sounded very interested in attending saying they would talk to Coach Powell about attending and getting tickets. While it was a surprize that they were next to us they appeard to be impressed by what they had seen during their visit as they got in about 4:30 Saturday afternoon, meeting the Coaches , shoot-around,etc. My impression was that they are very interested in Valpo. He already has offers from IPFW and UIC.
An article froom HoopsIllinois.com on Alec Peters recruiting and his unofficial visit to Valpo.
http://hoopsillinois1.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=407:red-hot-washington-star-alec-peters-visits-valparaiso-talks-about-season-and-recruiting&catid=48:recruiting-news (http://hoopsillinois1.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=407:red-hot-washington-star-alec-peters-visits-valparaiso-talks-about-season-and-recruiting&catid=48:recruiting-news)
Red-Hot Washington Star Alec Peters Visits Valparaiso, Talks About Season And RecruitingWritten by Cavan Walsh
Monday, 02 January 2012 07:45
Washington High School star Alec Peters is one of the hottest prospects in the Class of 2013. Peters, a 6'7 wing, competes on the travel team circuit with the Peoria Irish. Peters is fresh off of taking an unofficial visit to the campus of Valparaiso University over the weekend. He talks about the visit, the high school season and the recruiting process.
Talk about how the season is going after starting off hot then catching mono and coming back?
"The season started off great. I got really upset when I had to sit out four weeks because of mono, especially after starting the season off on a positive note. I was a little winded coming back, but it came back pretty quick. For coming back this quick I feel like I'm playing well."
Talk about how the recruiting process is going at the moment?
"Recruiting is great. I get letters everyday and I get calls a lot. Valpo is really recruiting me hard. I've heard from Nebraska, DePaul, Indiana State, Colorado State, Northeastern, North Dakota State, and Wisconsin-Milwaukee are among the schools recruiting me."
Talk about the visit you have lined up?
"I went to Valpo last night. I plan on visiting UIC and Wisconsin- Milwaukee in the near future."
Talk about your Valpo visit on Saturday?
"Well we got there and Coach Powell showed me the campus and told me a lot about the program. I met with a guy from admissions and we talked about the different things I could major in. I went and talked with Coach Drew and then watched their game. I really like the way they play."
Did they offer you a scholarship?
"Coach Drew said he wants to see me play in person then he will."
also looking at uic and uwm? boy, if we miss out on this kid, it could really hurt!
Interest is picking up for this Valpo recruiting target from the class of 2014 per chicagohoops.com. Sounds like a very nice player who is developing well. Would be a nice pickup if Valpo could actually get a verbal committment and NLI signed, though that is still probably 2 years away. Time will tell, as we've seen many times in the past. Erick Locke is complimentary of Coach Powell as well in article.
http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1351:chicago-brooks-super-sophomore-erick-locke-puts-his-passing-skills-on-displayschools-stepping-up-interest&catid=34:recruiting (http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1351:chicago-brooks-super-sophomore-erick-locke-puts-his-passing-skills-on-displayschools-stepping-up-interest&catid=34:recruiting)
www.chicagohoops.com (http://www.chicagohoops.com) article
Written by Scott Burgess
Wednesday, 25 January 2012 03:33
Class of 2014 Chicago Brooks guard Erick Locke has always been known to put up big point totals. As a sophomore, he is one of the most prolific scorers in the state. Everyone knows he can score, but college coaches and scouts want to see him distribute now. Locke is making the transition to playing the point guard position.
"The adjustment hasn't really been that hard. I've always had an unselfish nature even when I was younger. My instinct is when guys are open I am going to hit them right away. I am starting to understand my role as a point guard, but also understand when I have to take over and score points for my team. I really thought it would be a tougher adjustment, but it is going a lot easier than I thought it would be."
Locke showed those skills off recently at the Whitney Young Shootout against Chicago St. Ignatius. He scored 23 points, but was impressive with his passing. He looked to set up his teammates and had several passes that should have been converted for assists that weren't. You can definitely tell he is making a concerted effort to become a passer. He is also working on his game at the other end of the floor.
"I am really working on my defense. That is how you get on the court in college. I am working on my help defense and keeping guys in front of me. I think I have made my biggest jump there."
He broke down what is new with recruiting.
" Marquette is showing a lot more interest. They recently invited me on campus. I still have interest from Xavier and the Valpo offer. Illinois is also interested. The same schools are raising their level of interest."
Valparaiso assistant coach Roger Powell was on hand to watch him at the Whitney Young Shootout.
"Coach Powell is a great dude. He understands what it takes to make it and be a good ball player. Having him out there means a lot."
Other schools that have shown some level of interest include DePaul, Chicago State, NIU, Bradley, Detroit, Loyola, and Purdue.
Please feel free to post names of any recruits Valpo is targeting or has offered...would like to start putting together as many profiles as possible. The recruiting section of this site could be a really attractive feature if we can make it pretty comprehensive.
ESPN lists two players listed as considering for 2013 (to go along with Yeo and Davidson)
Robert Knar. A point guard. 2 star, 80 grade. http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/137819/robert-knar (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/137819/robert-knar)
Steve Haney. 6'6" forward. 3 start, 90 grade. http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/104906/steve-haney (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/104906/steve-haney)
Here is a recently updated article that has our two guys in the top 20 in Indiana:
http://indianarecruitingguide.com/prospect-rankings/class-of-2013/ (http://indianarecruitingguide.com/prospect-rankings/class-of-2013/)
I think the kid we need is Erik Locke, story above. Nationally ranked and a scoring point.
Quote from: MattCarter on February 19, 2012, 11:14:49 PM
ESPN lists two players listed as considering for 2013 (to go along with Yeo and Davidson)
Robert Knar. A point guard. 2 star, 80 grade. http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/137819/robert-knar (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/137819/robert-knar)
Steve Haney. 6'6" forward. 3 start, 90 grade. http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/104906/steve-haney (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/104906/steve-haney)
Here is an old thread about Haney, who would be great to get but is most likely a long shot:
http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=222.msg3277#msg3277 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=222.msg3277#msg3277)
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Here is an old thread about Haney, who would be great to get but is most likely a long shot:
http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=222.msg3277#msg3277 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=222.msg3277#msg3277)
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Of those who have offered, I only see Iowa State (according to Rivals) as having a significantly higher profile than Valpo.
Interesting recruiting website I ran across on the Loyola message board while browsing. Sort of like the scholarship chart broken down by class year, but including offers made to recruits.
http://verbalcommits.com/schools/179 (http://verbalcommits.com/schools/179)
Quote from: vufan75 on March 11, 2012, 07:29:21 PM
Interesting recruiting website I ran across on the Loyola message board while browsing. Sort of like the scholarship chart broken down by class year, but including offers made to recruits.
http://verbalcommits.com/schools/179 (http://verbalcommits.com/schools/179)
The format looks neat. The data looks very wrong -- a mixture of obsolete and current data.
If Valpo wants to go local for the one scholarship for next year, 6'9 Josh James from Andrean who can shoot and play inside, and averaged around 13-15 ppg, or 6'3 Nick Bollenbacher from Hanover Central who averaged 25 ppg and drives to the bucket a lot.
Bollenbacher would have to have a change of attitude to play at Valpo -- and I doubt that he'd have a lot to contribute on the court at D1 level.
Quote from: valpofan11 on March 11, 2012, 08:29:38 PM
If Valpo wants to go local for the one scholarship for next year, 6'9 Josh James from Andrean who can shoot and play inside, and averaged around 13-15 ppg, or 6'3 Nick Bollenbacher from Hanover Central who averaged 25 ppg and drives to the bucket a lot.
And we'll continue to not make the big dance.
Quote from: hoopfan22 on March 12, 2012, 08:37:30 AM
Quote from: valpofan11 on March 11, 2012, 08:29:38 PM
If Valpo wants to go local for the one scholarship for next year, 6'9 Josh James from Andrean who can shoot and play inside, and averaged around 13-15 ppg, or 6'3 Nick Bollenbacher from Hanover Central who averaged 25 ppg and drives to the bucket a lot.
And we'll continue to not make the big dance.
So he will be the one to put us over the top? I'm not so sure about that.
Quote from: valpofan11 on March 11, 2012, 08:29:38 PM
If Valpo wants to go local for the one scholarship for next year, 6'9 Josh James from Andrean who can shoot and play inside, and averaged around 13-15 ppg, or 6'3 Nick Bollenbacher from Hanover Central who averaged 25 ppg and drives to the bucket a lot.
Leke Solanke over either.
I'm sure all three are fine young men, but none of them would help VU get to the NCAA Tournament.
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 12, 2012, 07:54:40 PM
I'm sure all three are fine young men, but none of them would help VU get to the NCAA Tournament.
LOL
Tell us...who should VU recruit with this year's open scholarship that will get them to the NCAA tournament?
Quote from: Crusader03 on March 12, 2012, 09:41:50 PM
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 12, 2012, 07:54:40 PM
I'm sure all three are fine young men, but none of them would help VU get to the NCAA Tournament.
Nothing against these H.S guys (don't know anything about them) but with so many Seniors on next year's team, I'm guessing that Bryce and Co. will be looking closely at JC players and potential transfers to bridge the experience gap.
LOL
Tell us...who should VU recruit with this year's open scholarship that will get them to the NCAA tournament?
Quote from: wh on March 12, 2012, 10:31:30 PM
Quote from: Crusader03 on March 12, 2012, 09:41:50 PM
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 12, 2012, 07:54:40 PM
I'm sure all three are fine young men, but none of them would help VU get to the NCAA Tournament.
Nothing against these H.S guys (don't know anything about them) but with so many Seniors on next year's team, I'm guessing that Bryce and Co. will be looking closely at JC players and potential transfers to bridge the experience gap.
LOL
Tell us...who should VU recruit with this year's open scholarship that will get them to the NCAA tournament?
Wh...you are probably right to an extent...I'm sure Bryce will have a nice mix of transfers to go along with plenty of young guns.
Let's bring in the "young guns" namely Cantor,McCarthy and Ryan. We need to clean house. ::)
Quote from: Crusader03 on March 12, 2012, 09:41:50 PM
LOL
Tell us...who should VU recruit with this year's open scholarship that will get them to the NCAA tournament?
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Brad Karp.
He's proven he can play in college, averaging 24 ppg at St. Xavier. He's been the national NAIA Player of the Week TWICE. Was named to some sort of national all-academic team. Also averages almost double figures in rebounds. He's grown to 6-5, taller than his playing days at Valpo High School. I think he would love the opportunity to prove he can play in Division I, especially at VU. He would have to sit out a year, then have two years eligibility starting when he turns 22 years old and after VU loses about six seniors.
Quote from: Valpo89 on March 13, 2012, 01:09:47 PMBrad Karp.
He's proven he can play in college, averaging 24 ppg at St. Xavier. He's been the national NAIA Player of the Week TWICE. Was named to some sort of national all-academic team. Also averages almost double figures in rebounds. He's grown to 6-5, taller than his playing days at Valpo High School. I think he would love the opportunity to prove he can play in Division I, especially at VU. He would have to sit out a year, then have two years eligibility starting when he turns 22 years old and after VU loses about six seniors.
Interesting!
I am a big Brad Karp fan. Watched him this winter. Absolutely a stud on the floor. Similar to Matt Kenney in athletisim, probably a better 3 point shooter. Scored 28 against Notre Dame this year.
NAIA player of the week 2 times in February. This young man can play.
Out of high school, Karp had been invited to be a walk on at Valpo, which he was going to accept until a last-minute scholarship opening at St. Xavier was offered to him. Otherwise, he would already be on the team. He is a very dedicated and hard working player. My understanding is that Karp and Valpo still could be a perfect match. As someone else mentioned, Karp would sit next year but would be ideal the following year when all those seniors graduate, and I wouldn't be surprised if Bryce chose to offer this fellow former VHS Viking the open scholarship.
Tonight in the Miami loss we got our first good look at the 3, 4, and 5 play of Broekhoff, Edwards, and Van Wijk all on the floor at the same time. We will no doubt see a lot of that next year and with the depth of big men it should prove very successful. But because we will often be either forced to or elect to go-small we may well need to pick up another guard in order to make the kind of 2012-13 run that many of us are now expecting. We should not go into next season with more usable bigs than we have guards and small forewards.
Part of this issue takes us back to the Tommy Kurth question. What is wrong? Will or can it be addressed? Will he once again be capable of providing us with the solid 10 minutes off the bench that we so desperately needed tonight? If not then a hard decision will have to be made because we need another body that we can throw in there. We saw against Detroit how thin the rotation is when somebody gets into early foul trouble (Boggs). We also saw against Detroits quickness and pressure 4 turnovers by Harris (all I believe off the dribble) and 5 turnovers by Bogan ( mostly bad passes). Jay as yet has failed to convince me that he will ever be able to reach that 1.5 to 1 assist to turnover ratio that coaches desire from their point guard. So if any of you know of any lightning quick lock down defenders who can handle the ball with few turnovers and would be eligible to play next season then that might be just the guy we need. If he can pressure and defend then distribute the ball on the offensive end then I wouldn't care if he has the worst jump shot in the history of the game.
I know this would likely mean that this recruit (jr-college perhaps) might see very little playing time next year, but tonights game was the perfect example that you can almost never have too much depth. With one more guard tonight we might well have advanced in the NIT. Next year lets not get bumped from the NCAA for a similar reason.
Speaking of playing time, are we going to lose any current players because of the lack of such a thing next year? Hopefully not!!
I don't like to speculate on this sort of thing, but something happened at the IUPUI game with Kurth. I don't know what, but he was about to check in then got called back or maybe just refused and Shelton went in to commit the foul. I wouldn't be surprised if he left or was Cam Witted. Whether he stays or ends up out I wish him nothing but the best.
Hadn't thought about the Kurth situation for some time. Clearly he was third on the depth chart but with Harris out why didn't he play at all? Buggs played 40 minutes. Either there is a health issue or he has done something to be black balled by the coach. Homer always said he really liked Tommy's "toughness" and he would be missed while sitting out the injury year. Doesn't make sense, particularly last night with the short bench. Something is up.
Not sure where this should go, so I'll just post it here. Davidson and Yeo have both been named to the Junior All Star team that will face the Indiana All Star team in the "North" exhibition game. I don't believe a game location has been announced yet. Congrats to them both. They don't mention Davidson as a Valpo commit, but assume it's just an oversight on the writer's part.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20120322/SPORTS02/120322022/Indiana-Junior-All-Star-team-chosen-by-IBCA-panel?odyssey=tab (http://www.indystar.com/article/20120322/SPORTS02/120322022/Indiana-Junior-All-Star-team-chosen-by-IBCA-panel?odyssey=tab)|topnews|text|Sports
Quote from: zvillehaze on March 22, 2012, 09:54:22 AM
Not sure where this should go, so I'll just post it here. Davidson and Yeo have both been named to the Junior All Star team that will face the Indiana All Star team in the "North" exhibition game. I don't believe a game location has been announced yet. Congrats to them both. They don't mention Davidson as a Valpo commit, but assume it's just an oversight on the writer's part.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20120322/SPORTS02/120322022/Indiana-Junior-All-Star-team-chosen-by-IBCA-panel?odyssey=tab (http://www.indystar.com/article/20120322/SPORTS02/120322022/Indiana-Junior-All-Star-team-chosen-by-IBCA-panel?odyssey=tab)|topnews|text|Sports
One thing we know for sure is that it won't be held at an NCAA institution. Valpo, ND, Purdue, etc. are all out of the running.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20120322/SPORTS02/120322022/Indiana-Junior-All-Star-team-chosen-by-IBCA-panel (http://www.indystar.com/article/20120322/SPORTS02/120322022/Indiana-Junior-All-Star-team-chosen-by-IBCA-panel)
One has to wonder if Neddenriep knows about anything north of US 30. Triton being about 1 mile south of US 30.
I have pointed this oversight out, and the article has been updated to include Davidson's committment.
Quote from: historyman on March 22, 2012, 10:30:31 AMOne thing we know for sure is that it won't be held at an NCAA institution. Valpo, ND, Purdue, etc. are all out of the running.
I really want to know what the criteria is for the NCAA decisions on these playing venues. Are they allowing exceptions for the IHSAA? Girl's State tournament games were held in Indiana State's arena yet they disallowed the use of campus facilities for things like holiday tournament and the like. If the facility doubles as a community facility and university home court is that ok?? Examples would be the Memorial Coliseum here in Fort Wayne or the Ford Center in Evansville. If these facilities are not allowed to host tournaments then this is a big blow to many communities, and if they are then how can the NCAA discriminate between on campus and off campus sites?
From the Indiana Reruiting Guide
Class of 2013 Prospects
15. Nick Davidson: 6'4" Shooting Guard, Andrean H.S.
Committed: Valparaiso University
One of the best shooters in the state, especially when catching and shooting. Nick also gets to the foul line a lot, where he is a very good free throw shooter. Not exceptionally quick which holds him back some on the defensive end, but his offensive abilities make him a nice prospect.
18. Clay Yeo: 6'5" Shooting Guard, Triton H.S.
Committed: Valparaiso University
Very athletic and a good ball handler. Kind of a sleeper around the state because he attends a very small high school and had to miss the AAU season due to a knee injury. As he packs on some weight his game is really going to take off. I think he is a good "steal" for Valpo.
http://indianarecruitingguide.com/prospect-rankings/class-of-2013/ (http://indianarecruitingguide.com/prospect-rankings/class-of-2013/)
Quote from: FWalum on March 22, 2012, 11:06:25 AM
Quote from: historyman on March 22, 2012, 10:30:31 AMOne thing we know for sure is that it won't be held at an NCAA institution. Valpo, ND, Purdue, etc. are all out of the running.
I really want to know what the criteria is for the NCAA decisions on these playing venues. Are they allowing exceptions for the IHSAA? Girl's State tournament games were held in Indiana State's arena yet they disallowed the use of campus facilities for things like holiday tournament and the like. If the facility doubles as a community facility and university home court is that ok?? Examples would be the Memorial Coliseum here in Fort Wayne or the Ford Center in Evansville. If these facilities are not allowed to host tournaments then this is a big blow to many communities, and if they are then how can the NCAA discriminate between on campus and off campus sites?
My guess is that the Girls HS state tournament schedule was in place before the NCAA issued it's ruling. I think Indiana State coaches are the ones who suffer the most because monies were paid out and venues could not be changed easily. The ISU coaches probably had to vacate their facilities during the state tournament times. That is a complete guess. I wouldn't be surprised to see the IHSAA Girls BB tournament change venues in the next few years.
Quote from: FWalum on March 22, 2012, 11:06:25 AM
Quote from: historyman on March 22, 2012, 10:30:31 AMOne thing we know for sure is that it won't be held at an NCAA institution. Valpo, ND, Purdue, etc. are all out of the running.
I really want to know what the criteria is for the NCAA decisions on these playing venues. Are they allowing exceptions for the IHSAA? Girl's State tournament games were held in Indiana State's arena yet they disallowed the use of campus facilities for things like holiday tournament and the like. If the facility doubles as a community facility and university home court is that ok?? Examples would be the Memorial Coliseum here in Fort Wayne or the Ford Center in Evansville. If these facilities are not allowed to host tournaments then this is a big blow to many communities, and if they are then how can the NCAA discriminate between on campus and off campus sites?
The key in the rules is the "non-scholastic" part of the language. Because the state finals are sponsored by the IHSAA, they can play there, but they can't play summer events.
I don't know why the schools can't play holiday events, but if I recall, it has something to do with the fact that there is an outside entity hosting the event (I think of the Region Rumble with this), rather than one of the schools or the IHSAA.
Maybe some of the "holiday events" being hosted at colleges were being coordinated by boosters associated with the university athletic department, and they were only focusing on certain players or teams playing because of recruiting connections/potential for an athlete on one of those teams coming to that school for college?
I believe I'm correct that the NCAA provides the phones for the NFHS (National Federation of State HS Athletic Associations). The NFHS I heard had to bail out the California Interscholastic Association financially which is now sending ripple effects through out the other state AA's. But it's not good to let your largest member go bankrupt. This in turn has had an effect on the financing that the NCAA has in helping the NFHS. Hopefully it will not become a bigger mess.
Article from Forbes that provides some additional details on the NCAA rule.
http://www.forbes.com/sites/bobcook/2011/12/09/ncaa-kicks-high-school-basketball-tournaments-off-its-campuses/ (http://www.forbes.com/sites/bobcook/2011/12/09/ncaa-kicks-high-school-basketball-tournaments-off-its-campuses/)
Valpo loses out to Fordham on a recruit who had an offer, according to ESPN. Perhaps Bryce knew this when he got the transfers. From Today's New York Post:
Fordham landed a point guard, the position it had long been in search of, Monday night, picking up a verbal commitment from Blair Academy standout Jermaine Myers on his 19th birthday. The Rams hope the Canadian import can be the floor general to lead them back to prominence and mesh well with their array of scoring options like Bryan Smith, Branden Frazier and Chris Gaston.
The 6-foot-1 Myers, who averaged 14 points and nine assists for Blair this winter, chose Fordham over Valparaiso, Western Kentucky, Vermont and Middle Tennessee State.
"I really enjoyed my visit to Western Kentucky and I liked Valparaiso a lot, but when I went to Fordham I fell in love with it," he said. "The coaches are great. The people come out and watch a lot of games, they show a lot of love. ... I think there is an opportunity for me to play right away. I got a really good feel for the campus and New York City was very attractive as well."
He guided Blair to an 18-7 record and the New Jersey Prep A state final, where it lost to nationally ranked St. Benedict's Prep. Blair coach Joe Mantegna said Fordham is getting a leader who does what it takes to win. He could've averaged over 20 points per game for the New Jersey prep school, but created for others instead, though he did have big scoring games when the opportunity presented itself.
"He does what he has to do to win," Mantegna said. "He's the best point guard I've ever had here and we've had some pretty good players. He has a real high IQ, he's won at every level he's been at and he makes everybody on the floor better. He's just a winning player. He's something special."
No mention of facilities again....seems playing time was the deciding factor. Something this fella probably wouldn't see right away at Valpo next season.
Quote from: sectionee on April 10, 2012, 09:25:41 PM
No mention of facilities again....seems playing time was the deciding factor. Something this fella probably wouldn't see right away at Valpo next season.
I guess I'll just keep repeating - facilities DO matter. We have been successful despite inferior facilities for one reason and one reason only - the Drews. If not for them, our program very likely would have fallen on hard times the same way Loyola's has. Like Loyola we would already have had to address the need to revamp the ARC. Instead, the Administration (past and present) has been able to cheat time by riding the coattails of the Drews and ignoring their pleas for help. Unless a facility improvement initiative transitions from the talking stage to the action stage - and soon, the Drew gravy train will surely end.
Quote from: valpopal on April 10, 2012, 03:49:36 PMBlair coach Joe Mantegna said Fordham is getting a leader who does what it takes to win.
It makes you wonder how Joe coaches Blair Academy in New Jersey and stars on
CRIMINAL MINDS once a week too. Of course having expert knowledge of criminal minds must really help in knowing what college coaches like John Calipari, Rick Pitino, Bill Self and others like to see in a player. ;)
Fordham's homecourt is Rose Hill Gym capacity 3,200
I had heard word about this last week, but I didn't want to post until I received confirmation. AD, a 6'7" guard, would be a nice addition if he came to Valpo:
Former Notre Dame guard Alex Dragicevich has visited Northwestern and Loyola (Ill.) and hopes to also tour Boston College and Valparaiso.
Quote from: valpopal on April 13, 2012, 08:30:43 AM
I had heard word about this last week, but I didn't want to post until I received confirmation. AD, a 6'7" guard, would be a nice addition if he came to Valpo:
Former Notre Dame guard Alex Dragicevich has visited Northwestern and Loyola (Ill.) and hopes to also tour Boston College and Valparaiso.
interesting. i didn't know he had decided to transfer from south bend.
espn profile: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51373/alex-dragicevich (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/51373/alex-dragicevich)
Saw him in high school. He's very good and would fit this team greatly!
Wow, he would be a great get. He would present huge match-up problems at either the 2 or 3. Picture a '13-14 line-up with Dority running the point, Jay at the 2, Alex at the 3, Capo at the 4 or 5. Mix in the other strong recruits we have coming in and that team could be every bit as good as we expect next year to be.
based on where he's leaving, and the upward trend shown in the last couple years, i'd bet he ends up in evanston. especially being from northbrook. bc has dropped off the face of the basketball planet, loyola's still a ways away. the realist in me says call it a two-horse race between us and northwestern, and we lose out again.
Another possible recruit:
http://m.nwitimes.com/mobile-touch-2/?disableTNStatsTracker=1#05aadf94-85e1-11e1-a9dc-00163ec2aa77 (http://m.nwitimes.com/mobile-touch-2/?disableTNStatsTracker=1#05aadf94-85e1-11e1-a9dc-00163ec2aa77)
Orris is a 6-3 PG. ESPN/Scout ranking 89.
Your link isn't working for me wh, but here's an ESPN article on Orris and his situation:
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/high-school/post/_/id/2921/illinois-releases-crete-monee-pg-orris (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/high-school/post/_/id/2921/illinois-releases-crete-monee-pg-orris)
For what it is worth, an update on Mooresville Soph. Jacob Johnson (2014). He is also being considered by Purdue, Xavier, Evansville, Indiana State, Northern Colorado, Dayton, and Butler: http://www.thepurplecode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=736 (http://www.thepurplecode.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=736)
Jacob Johnson Dunk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1fxJZ6jMfE#)
Quote from: wh on April 14, 2012, 06:23:42 AM
Another possible recruit:
http://m.nwitimes.com/mobile-touch-2/?disableTNStatsTracker=1#05aadf94-85e1-11e1-a9dc-00163ec2aa77 (http://m.nwitimes.com/mobile-touch-2/?disableTNStatsTracker=1#05aadf94-85e1-11e1-a9dc-00163ec2aa77)
Orris is a 6-3 PG. ESPN/Scout ranking 89.
wh, some of the links you have posted recently seem to be specifically for mobile devices and don't seem to work properly if your are using a standard device.
Quote from: FWalum on April 14, 2012, 11:57:32 AM
wh, some of the links you have posted recently seem to be specifically for mobile devices and don't seem to work properly if your are using a standard device.
Sorry - maybe someone can re-post from their desktop/laptop. The article is in today's NWI Times.
The NWI Times article on Michael Orris and his release from U of Illinois.
http://www.nwitimes.com/high-school/crete-monee/men-s-basketball-michael-orris-granted-release-from-illini/article_142526c8-9665-5852-bd56-4ada336696a2.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/high-school/crete-monee/men-s-basketball-michael-orris-granted-release-from-illini/article_142526c8-9665-5852-bd56-4ada336696a2.html)
He has committed to Creighton, then to University of Illinois. Seems to have a little issue with committment.
lowposter
Quote from: lowposter on April 14, 2012, 01:48:47 PM
He has committed to Creighton, then to University of Illinois. Seems to have a little issue with committment.
lowposter
To be fair, he's leaving Illinois because of the coaching change. I'm not sure why he changed his mind from Creighton though.
i know oriahki's been mentioned earlier in the thread, but for those who haven't heard, he's now off the table. signed a financial aid letter to go to mizzou last night.
Orris flew out and is on a visit to Kansas State today, where Bruce Weber is now coach and who had previously recruited Orris for Illinois. Seems like KSU with Weber would be the leader at this point in the current Orris recruitment.
http://southtownstar.suntimes.com/11820653-522/boys-basketball-cretes-orris-visits-kansas-state.html (http://southtownstar.suntimes.com/11820653-522/boys-basketball-cretes-orris-visits-kansas-state.html)
We can add 5'11" first-team All State guard Dominique Hawkins (2013) of Madison Central (Kentucky) to the list of those who have offers from Valpo:
"Hawkins averaged 19.9 points, 4.3 rebounds and 2.7 assists as a junior.... With one season left, Hawkins has scholarship offers from Eastern Kentucky, Tennessee Tech, Valparaiso and Morehead State."
http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20120414/SPORTS0505/304140082/Kentucky-All-State-Basketball-2011-12-Dominique-Hawkins?odyssey=mod (http://www.courier-journal.com/article/20120414/SPORTS0505/304140082/Kentucky-All-State-Basketball-2011-12-Dominique-Hawkins?odyssey=mod)|newswell|text|Home|s
A couple of Valpo mentions in this article also.
http://blogs.indystar.com/recruitingcentral/2012/04/15/news-and-notes-from-indyball-shootout/ (http://blogs.indystar.com/recruitingcentral/2012/04/15/news-and-notes-from-indyball-shootout/)
Quote from: zvillehaze on April 15, 2012, 10:03:44 AMA couple of Valpo mentions in this article also.http://blogs.indystar.com/recruitingcentral/2012/04/15/news-and-notes-from-indyball-shootout/ (http://blogs.indystar.com/recruitingcentral/2012/04/15/news-and-notes-from-indyball-shootout/)
Namely: "Mooreville's Jacob Johnson is probably a bit under-the-radar at this point, but college coaches are starting to find out about the 6-6 left-handed rising junior. Johnson said Valparaiso, Evansville, Indiana State, Butler, Xavier and Purdue have been in contact and he hopes to visit Butler and Valparaiso this spring. The college interest is all relatively new for Johnson, who averaged 10.7 points and 6.1 rebounds as a sophomore. Didn't get to see him shoot much from the perimeter, but very athletic."
Nice to see that of the interested parties, we get one of two visits from this class of 2014 forward. And the same thing is true of the next guy:
"Fishers point guard Jaylon Brown, who plays with [Maverick] Morgan on the Martin's Wolverines, said Illinois and Minnesota are showing new interest and that he plans to make a visit to Valparaiso soon. USC and Dayton have also made contact. The 6-foot Brown has offers from American, Evansville, Ohio and Toledo. Brown said Butler has also still been showing interest."
see our colors gleam.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 15, 2012, 12:22:09 PM"Fishers point guard Jaylon Brown, who plays with [Maverick] Morgan on the Martin's Wolverines, said Illinois and Minnesota are showing new interest and that he plans to make a visit to Valparaiso soon. USC and Dayton have also made contact. The 6-foot Brown has offers from American, Evansville, Ohio and Toledo. Brown said Butler has also still been showing interest."
I have seen Brown play several times....he is a good one. Pretty good shooter, very quick and athletic.
Dominick Hawkins from Madison Central HS in Kentucky is a load. Saw him this weekend at the Indy Ball. He can bring it.
lowposter
Don't think this has been posted before, but here is a recent (this past year) video of our guy Clay Yeo. Last year he missed the AAU season with an injury so I expect his "stock" to rise a bunch when others see him play.
Clay Yeo (#5)- Basketball Recruiting Video (Triton High School) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-x9yc6WIVJA#ws)
Anyone see the Edwards kid from East Chicago play? Are we on him?
Is Yeo really 6'6"? He doesn't look like it from those videos, unless everyone else is really tall
Who is Clay Yeo playing with this summer?
BTW, there is a HUGE AAU tournament this weekend at Merrillville. The timing has changed. The evaluation period is now 2weeks in April and 2 weeks in July.
The dog and pony show begins next weekend....all over the nation.
lowposter
A big guy that we can't get now is Leke Solanke from MC Marquette who just signed with Stetson apparently.
Quote from: lowposter on April 16, 2012, 04:51:08 PM
Who is Clay Yeo playing with this summer?
BTW, there is a HUGE AAU tournament this weekend at Merrillville. The timing has changed. The evaluation period is now 2weeks in April and 2 weeks in July.
The dog and pony show begins next weekend....all over the nation.
lowposter
I haven't been able to find out who Clay is playing for but am pretty sure Nick is playing for Mean Streets.
I hope it's not Indiana Elite!
Assume your comments on Indiana Elite are based on the IE/Adidas/IU connect....correct?
Big tournament this weekend at Merrillville should be plenty of firepower. The challenge is identification of the players. This is an NCAA sanctioned event.
lowposter
I saw Indiana Elite play last year in Mpls. Had Yoggi Ferrell, Perea, Ethrington etc. Also have seen them play in other years. Always the best of the best and, I'm pretty sure Capo played with those guys.
With one more scholarship available for next year and 4/5 guards graduating in '13, would it make sense for VU to go after a transfer guard that has to sit for one year? Dragcevich from ND, Chennault from Wake Forest, and others come to mind.
Chennault will be staying close to Philadelphia
ALEX ROSSI TO CHOOSE BETWEEN VALPO OR LOYOLA THIS WEEK
(Rossi had an ESPN 92 grade and was a 4-star guard coming out of high school: Scout listed him as a 3-star small forward)
Back home in Chicago, Alex Rossi expects to decide on a new college basketball destination by the end of the week. The former Cal guard said he has offers from Valparaiso and Loyola-Chicago.
He is hoping not to have to sit out a year as a transfer after returning home because of private family issues. The NCAA can waive its transfer rule in the case of hardship situations, as it did a year ago when MoMo Jones went from Arizona to Iona to be closer to his ailing grandmother.
"I don't think I'll have to sit out, but I don't know for sure," Rossi said. "The schools I'm applying to are taking care of that."
Valparaiso is on the Illinois-Indiana border, less than an hour from Chicago. "Both of them are a lot closer than California," he said.
Rossi is awaiting word from the NCAA on whether he would be allowed to accept a scholarship from Loyola, where his godfather is employed.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/beartalk/2012/04/18/basketball-valpo-or-loyola-likely-for-rossi/ (http://www.ibabuzz.com/beartalk/2012/04/18/basketball-valpo-or-loyola-likely-for-rossi/)
Valpo has already contacted Ohio State University's J.D. Weatherspoon (3-star 6'7" forward), who just announced his intention to transfer. So far, he has also been contacted by Toledo, Ohio, Bowling Green, and Kent St.
Rossi is a 6-6 SG. Apparently, he red-shirted as a freshman and only played in 3 games this year due to a lower abdominal injury/hernia. In any event, it would be incredible to get a 6-6 SG that can shoot lights out.
Another for the list of possible recruits: According to the Xavier blog, "Xavier transfer Griffin McKenzie (6'9" forward) hasn't taken any official visits yet, but has narrowed his search to Boston University, Denver, San Francisco, Furman, Dartmouth, Penn, Davidson, Valparaiso, College of Charleston and Cornell."
We could always use a 6'9" guy, let alone from Xavier!
Based on the schools on McKenzie's list he is no stranger to the classroom. Quite selective schools in the east and Davidson is well thought of in the south. And of course Valpo.
I hear 6'7" shooting guard Alec Peters (2013), good size and an excellent 3-point shot, visited campus again this weekend and was given an official scholarship offer. Peters was here on an unofficial visit back in December (see beginning of this thread). He has offers from Albany, IUPUI, IPFW, South Dakota State, UIC, Loyola, Illinois State, UW-Green Bay, and UW-Milwaukee, but he would be a good fit at Valpo, and I wouldn't be surprised to see him accept.
I believe Alec Peters is a strong shooting big man, not a shooting Guard. When we met Alec and his Dad during a game last season his Dad told me Alec"s strong point was that he is a very good 3-point shooter, especially for an inside guy.
Nick Davidson isn't playing AAU this summer. LOL!
Quote from: valpo64 on April 23, 2012, 08:46:39 AM
I believe Alec Peters is a strong shooting big man, not a shooting Guard. When we met Alec and his Dad during a game last season his Dad told me Alec"s strong point was that he is a very good 3-point shooter, especially for an inside guy.
In the following video, Peters seems to spend much of his time outside rather than inside. He is an excellent outside shooter, who recently won a three-point shooting contest. Peters is tall and will get his share of rebounds, but he is a very good outside threat, somewhat like Rowdy, and I would like to see him playing in the 3 spot at Valpo or sometimes in the 4 spot only if needed.
(AMAGYLON PRESENTS) Washington Community H.S. Wing Alec Peters '13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Dpb9AucJlU#ws)
Quote from: hoopfan22 on April 23, 2012, 09:07:46 AM
Nick Davidson isn't playing AAU this summer. LOL!
OK, why? And what's with the LOL??
I'm lol'ing because he got his scholarship offer and said i'm done with AAU. It's actually smart of him to sit out AAU.
Quote from: hoopfan22 on April 23, 2012, 10:26:57 AM
I'm lol'ing because he got his scholarship offer and said i'm done with AAU. It's actually smart of him to sit out AAU.
Butler has had a few commits who either didn't play AAU before their senior year or who played very limited schedules. Gordon Hayward didn't play at all because he was preparing for his last shot at an IHSAA tennis championship.
It would be interesting to hear if there's some other explanation (injury, etc.) for Davidson passing on AAU.
For what it is worth: word is that Valpo has shown some interest in Lexus "Hot Rod" Williams (2013), a 6' guard from Marist of Chicago.
Latest on Ryan Fazekas:
As a 6-7, 180-pound 2015 prospect, Fazekas has an unlimited upside. After one year at Marquette Catholic High School, he has over 15 schools interested in his services, and received an offer at 14 years old from Valparaiso. He has a great touch, and a lethal three-point shot. He's a good catch-and-shoot player, but can put the ball on the floor, and create his own shot. Fazekas is athletic and has good court awareness, always finding open space. He moves well without the ball and gets involved on the glass at both ends of the floor.
Very disciplined for a freshman, Fazekas doesn't take bad shots, and makes good decisions with the ball. With good ball skills, he has a knack for getting to the line and knocking down free throws. He scored a game-high 27 points in his team's last pool play game on Saturday, and was the best player on the floor.
Fazekas needs to continue to gain muscle and adjust to a new position as he grows. He's grown six inches since last summer, put on eight pounds since March, and said he plans on being 6-9 next year. He needs to get better driving through the lane, and could improve finishing down low.
http://www.umhoops.com/2012/04/23/scouting-nike-spring-showdown-part-b/ (http://www.umhoops.com/2012/04/23/scouting-nike-spring-showdown-part-b/)
he plans on being 6-9? last time i checked, your body doesn't give a :censored: how tall you want to be or pland to be. if that's how it worked, i should be about 6 inches taller than i am...
edit: i like how typing a swear invokes the wrath of the auto-censor icon. :)
Valpopal, do you follow Marquette basketball? I'm just wondering if Fazekas has ever said anything about his offer from Valpo. Sometimes players show a lot of loyalty to the first program that shows a lot of interest, even when bigger programs start coming around - other times not (e.g., Hummel, Martin). Do you have any thoughts about this?
Quote from: vuweathernerd on April 24, 2012, 06:49:24 AM
he plans on being 6-9? last time i checked, your body doesn't give a :censored: how tall you want to be or pland to be. if that's how it worked, i should be about 6 inches taller than i am...
edit: i like how typing a swear invokes the wrath of the auto-censor icon. :)
Nice catch nerd. I thought the same thing when I read that last night before I went to bed but didn't process it very well.
I had planned on being a 6-foot-4 point guard on my high school team, but instead I ended up being a 5-foot-8 delivery boy at a local pharmacy.
Quote from: valpopal on April 23, 2012, 08:50:59 PMHe's grown six inches since last summer, put on eight pounds since March, and said he plans on being 6-9 next year. He needs to get better driving through the lane, and could improve finishing down low.
I think what he was saying is that he thinks his growth spurt will end at 6'9". Have you guys ever grown 6 inches in height over the summer? If you had then I bet you could make a prediction of what height your growth spurt will end at.
Is this "recruiting" post a post for any and all recruiting or just kids in a certain year, etc.?
While we're at it, I plan on having a (hair) growth spurt.
New recruit David Chadwick: http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2011-12/11727/chadwick-to-join-valpo-mens-basketball-program/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2011-12/11727/chadwick-to-join-valpo-mens-basketball-program/)
David Chadwick: a familiar name. If I remember correctly, he visited Valpo unofficially a couple of times as a high school senior, which may have caused him some trouble with other schools recruiting him. Chadwick was a Rivals 3-star player out of high school, and he comes from a strong basketball background: his father played at North Carolina under Dean Smith. I think his father is also a pastor.
He will definitely be able to handle the academics at Valpo, as Rice is a VERY tough school to get into, let alone carry a 3.5 gpa. Welcome to another 6'9" guy, who apparently can play outside as well given some 3-pt shots.
Didn't Valpo have basketball connection at Rice?
What rebounding year? After next year Bryce has already reloaded! This is a great get and yes, at one point he did visit Valpo before originally commiting to Washington State and Tony Bennett. A religous kid who was undoubtedly attracted to Valpo because of Bryce and others on the staff.
Here is a writeup from ESPN just after his commitment to Rice:
David Chadwick commits to RiceAccording to sources close to the situation, power forward David Chadwick has given Rice a verbal commitment.
The 6-foot-9 Charlotte, N.C. native originally signed a letter of intent with Washington State's 2009 class but decided to look elsewhere when head coach Tony Bennett took the Virginia job. He is currently spending a prep year at national power Hargrave Military Academy in Virginia.
"David's a power forward who can really score the basketball from inside and out," said ESPN.com's National Recruiting Director Paul Biancardi. "He's got range out to the college 3-point line and is also strong enough to post up and score inside.
"He's got a good set of skills for a 4 man and is an ideal 'pick-n-pop' player who will knock down jumpshots all day. He also gets a bunch of his points from the free throw line where he converts at a high percentage. David really does a great job playing within his capabilities and limits."
Chadwick can also defend his position by using his smarts.
"He's a solid defender who plays good position defense," said Biancardi. "David is also an effective rebounder who blocks out his man with good technique."
Overall, the Owls are getting a good one, according to Biancardi.
"What I like about this commitment is David comes in a year older and stronger and more experienced. His talents and basketball I.Q. allow him to execute well in the halfcourt setting and he'll come in and provide Rice with immediate frontcourt scoring.
"Rice is getting the total package with Chadwick. He's not only a great basketball player but he's an outstanding student and a terrific young man," Biancardi added.
Chadwick joins point guard Travon Abraham (Sacramento, Calif./Sacramento H.S.) and J.R. Reynolds (Chicago/Whitney Young H.S.) in the Owls' 2010 class.
David's dad played for Dean Smith at North Carolina and is a pastor:
http://www.foresthill.org/who-we-are/david-chadwick.html (http://www.foresthill.org/who-we-are/david-chadwick.html)
Quote from: covufan on April 24, 2012, 03:01:08 PM
Didn't Valpo have basketball connection at Rice?
Todd Smith was a long-time assistant there. I think he's been gone for a while now and is at a small school in Houston.
so...a 3-star, but one with glowing comments from the then-director of National Scouting for ESPN...and can't get more than 1 ppg for Rice? What gives?
With all these goody,goody Christians coming to play ball at Valpo,perhaps we should change our fight song to:"Onward Christian Soldiers."
Quote from: setshot on April 24, 2012, 04:47:42 PMWith all these goody,goody Christians coming to play ball at Valpo,perhaps we should change our fight song to:"Onward Christian Soldiers."
gee, call me crazy, but I thought that's what a Crusader already was...
Quote from: setshot on April 24, 2012, 04:47:42 PMWith all these goody,goody Christians coming to play ball at Valpo,perhaps we should change our fight song to:"Onward Christian Soldiers."
You must not follow one of our incoming guys on twitter...goody goody this fellow is not, if you can go by the stuff he tweets.
Chadwick was also being looked by Butler back in 09. This thread was started by wienerhund on the Butler board back in 2009.
QuoteDavid Chadwick - Possible 09 recruit
CHARLOTTE LATIN: David Chadwick, a 6-foot-9 wing/forward who recently got out of his letter-of-intent to play at Washington State, is drawing interest from more than 20 colleges, his father said.
David Chadwick Sr. said his son has been contacted by Rutgers, Colorado, Saint Louis, Creighton, Butler, New Mexico and Princeton, among others.
Chadwick signed with Washington State before coach Tony Bennett, a family friend, took the job at Virginia.
I wonder what if anything is happening in the cases of Michael Orris, Alex Rossi, or Alex Dragicevich, potential recruits or college transfers who either Valpo expressed interest in or vice versa over the last several weeks? If one of them wanted to attend Valpo and play ball, would Bryce be interested in using the remaining scholarship on them or will he save it for next year? Orris is a point guard out of Illinois who with the coaching change decided not to attend U of I, and earlier Creighton. Both of the Alex guys are more shooting guards or maybe small forwards. Orris probably wants to go to a high-major school, but Rossi from Cal and Dragicevich from Notre Dame have been there and seem to be interested in hopefully the playing time mid-major's might have available vs. another high-major school. Rossi is considering Loyola and Valpo, and has a relative who works at Loyola that has to be checked with the NCAA I think? He's battled injury issues while at Cal. Dragicevich has more school's pursuing him, but did mention Valpo as one of the schools he is interested in looking into. Anyone with "sources" hear anything on any of these young men?
For what it is worth, from the Indy Star: Sam Logwood (2014):
Lawrence North forward Sam Logwood, who will be a junior in the fall, picked up his first scholarship offer this week, from Miami of Ohio.
"They saw me play in Merrillville (last weekend) and said they liked my athleticism," said Logwood, a 6-6, 200-pound forward.
Indiana and Purdue also have shown interest, as well as a number of other schools: Ball State, Dayton, Evansville, Indiana State, IPFW, IUPUI, Loyola (Ill.), Michigan, Valparaiso, Wichita State and Xavier.
Quote from: setshot on April 24, 2012, 04:47:42 PM
With all these goody,goody Christians coming to play ball at Valpo,perhaps we should change our fight song to:"Onward Christian Soldiers."
This has nothing to do with him as a player. If he can play, who cares?
Quote from: DMvalpo18 on April 28, 2012, 12:30:35 AM
Quote from: setshot on April 24, 2012, 04:47:42 PM
With all these goody,goody Christians coming to play ball at Valpo,perhaps we should change our fight song to:"Onward Christian Soldiers."
This has nothing to do with him as a player. If he can play, who cares?
this is just setshot getting riled up over what he sees as valpo ignoring its lutheran heritage and not doing enough to keep the student body largely lutheran. don't sweat it.
Anything new on Peters, Rossi, and the kids from ND and X? It's my understanding that Peters wants to commit early and the others are near a decision.
Quote from: valpo64 on April 29, 2012, 05:17:34 PM
Anything new on Peters, Rossi, and the kids from ND and X? It's my understanding that Peters wants to commit early and the others are near a decision.
I hear the same thing about Peters, and I feel good that he is leaning toward Valpo.
Rossi is waiting for a decision from the NCAA whether or not he can transfer to Loyola and not lose a year because he has applied for a hardship exception. Apparently, his Godfather and former high school coach is a first-year assistant coach at Loyola, and there may be a conflict perceived by the NCAA. As usual, the NCAA is taking its time in reaching a decision. It seems that if he can't go to Loyola, Rossi will pick Valpo.
I understand Dragicevich has just scheduled a visit to Oregon State.
Nothing new on Griffin McKenzie except that he is considering a number of schools besides Valpo: last word was that Penn and Davidson were at the top of his list.
some peoples gots to make up their minds quick or they pay their own way to VU.
Quote from: Valpo89 on April 24, 2012, 03:48:42 PM
Quote from: covufan on April 24, 2012, 03:01:08 PM
Didn't Valpo have basketball connection at Rice?
Todd Smith was a long-time assistant there. I think he's been gone for a while now and is at a small school in Houston.
That's what I was remembering. Here is his bio at University of St. Thomas (Texas):
http://www.stthom.edu/Campus_Student_Life/Sports_Athletics/Intercollegiate_Athletics/1_Mens_Sports/Mens_Basketball/Coaches.aqf (http://www.stthom.edu/Campus_Student_Life/Sports_Athletics/Intercollegiate_Athletics/1_Mens_Sports/Mens_Basketball/Coaches.aqf)
I think he took over a new team, after one year at Tulsa and 18 at Rice. In St. Thomas' third season of play, they had a winning record this year.
Not to derail the line of thought on this string, but............
I am a relative newbie on this whole forum (couldn't ya tell?) and I could use some help. And maybe there are a couple of others that are in my boat as well. Anyway, to any of you grizzled vets: I am watching the transferring and recruiting stuff, and I find it facinating. It's almost like an underworld. But, here's my question: Is this a new and aggressive tack taken by Bryce, or was this always the way things were done and Homer did much of the same?
Being from the other side of the world (east coast), in the past, until I found you guys, I only followed VU via the crawler on ESPN. I knew, like everyone else, that foreign players were a strength in the past, but this is (to me ) pretty wild - the harvesting of dissatisfied BB players at other institutions.
I am feeling good about the fact that Valpo has suddenly found a higher gear in a better league (MSO, MBB are already HL champs and Baseball and Softball are on the possible verge of same). I'll be moving to WI within the year and look forward to seeing Valpo play more often -- been basically restricted to Marist in FB and one home FB game (oh, and I can remember a UWM game in MKE in the 90's when I was there on a consulting engagement).
So, thanks for any enlightenment.
Welcome, Alex Rossi!
http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2011-12/11762/rossi-to-join-valparaiso-mens-basketball-program/ (http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2011-12/11762/rossi-to-join-valparaiso-mens-basketball-program/)
Quote from: swiftmutiny on May 02, 2012, 02:15:25 PM
Welcome, Alex Rossi!
http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2011-12/11762/rossi-to-join-valparaiso-mens-basketball-program/ (http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2011-12/11762/rossi-to-join-valparaiso-mens-basketball-program/)
Wow, another HUGE addition to the program. ESPN/Scout ranking 92, 4-star. If he receives a hardship waiver, he will be eligible to play next season. Next year's team is beyond loaded and the following season's roster is already stacked.
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 30, 2012, 07:51:15 PM
Not to derail the line of thought on this string, but............
I am a relative newbie on this whole forum (couldn't ya tell?) and I could use some help. And maybe there are a couple of others that are in my boat as well. Anyway, to any of you grizzled vets: I am watching the transferring and recruiting stuff, and I find it facinating. It's almost like an underworld. But, here's my question: Is this a new and aggressive tack taken by Bryce, or was this always the way things were done and Homer did much of the same?
Being from the other side of the world (east coast), in the past, until I found you guys, I only followed VU via the crawler on ESPN. I knew, like everyone else, that foreign players were a strength in the past, but this is (to me ) pretty wild - the harvesting of dissatisfied BB players at other institutions.
I am feeling good about the fact that Valpo has suddenly found a higher gear in a better league (MSO, MBB are already HL champs and Baseball and Softball are on the possible verge of same). I'll be moving to WI within the year and look forward to seeing Valpo play more often -- been basically restricted to Marist in FB and one home FB game (oh, and I can remember a UWM game in MKE in the 90's when I was there on a consulting engagement).
So, thanks for any enlightenment.
Grizzled vet here. No, the idea of wholesale additions to the team via transfers is very new. Homer added some (Cory Johnson, Brandon Wood, Ron Howard going back a few years) but Bryce has taken it to a new level and I really like it. I'm sure he will continue to recruit and sign high school kids but I'm really thinking he sees something coming together big time over the next couple of years, and, who knows, maybe after a run to the Sweet Sixteen he will take his leave, but I think he is telling guys--"look, we have all the peices in place except YOU, come on over and we can really make a run", or some such phrase ;)
So presume he sits next year and then has three years with us. The kid sound a lot like Rowdy. If he's even close we really have something!!
Uh...he scored 5 points last year
paul
I'm pleased to learn Rossi will be joining Valpo. I have heard some very good things about him. I understand he is fully healthy and a dedicated worker on his game. I believe he should receive the hardship waiver and be able to play in the upcoming season.
The Crusaders will have a very strong team, perhaps even be preseason favorites. More importantly, Bryce is developing a formidable program at just the right time. With the exit of Butler, whichever team appears best in the next few years will build a reputation and become the number one spot for recruits entering the Horizon League.
Quote from: valpopal on May 02, 2012, 04:37:47 PM
I'm pleased to learn Rossi will be joining Valpo. I have heard some very good things about him. I understand he is fully healthy and a dedicated worker on his game. I believe he should receive the hardship waiver and be able to play in the upcoming season.
The Crusaders will have a very strong team, perhaps even be preseason favorites. More importantly, Bryce is developing a formidable program at just the right time. With the exit of Butler, whichever team appears best in the next few years will build a reputation and become the number one spot for recruits entering the Horizon League.
Huh?? Who else would be the preseason favorite other than the defending champion of the regular season who returns everyone. Detroit? No, they lose a bunch? Butler? Nope, they return a bunch but have unknown new guys and lose the heart and soul of the team in Nored. It will be Valpo, and I'd be surprised if we don't get all the first place votes.
Dear Pac-12,
Upon receipt of Alex Rossi, we are now in possession of the "player to be named later" in the "Richie Edwards trade".
Pleasure doing business with you,
VU/HL
PS VU72, amen!
Quote from: vu72 on May 02, 2012, 04:45:31 PM
Quote from: valpopal on May 02, 2012, 04:37:47 PM
I'm pleased to learn Rossi will be joining Valpo. I have heard some very good things about him. I understand he is fully healthy and a dedicated worker on his game. I believe he should receive the hardship waiver and be able to play in the upcoming season.
The Crusaders will have a very strong team, perhaps even be preseason favorites. More importantly, Bryce is developing a formidable program at just the right time. With the exit of Butler, whichever team appears best in the next few years will build a reputation and become the number one spot for recruits entering the Horizon League.
Huh?? Who else would be the preseason favorite other than the defending champion of the regular season who returns everyone. Detroit? No, they lose a bunch? Butler? Nope, they return a bunch but have unknown new guys and lose the heart and soul of the team in Nored. It will be Valpo, and I'd be surprised if we don't get all the first place votes.
Well, we don't exactly "return everyone," especially since two significant contributors, Edwards and Harris, have left. In addition, Butler's bringing in some very good players, including arguably the best 3-point shooter in the nation, not really an "unknown new guy."
Quote from: valpopal on May 02, 2012, 05:06:13 PM
Quote from: vu72 on May 02, 2012, 04:45:31 PM
Quote from: valpopal on May 02, 2012, 04:37:47 PM
I'm pleased to learn Rossi will be joining Valpo. I have heard some very good things about him. I understand he is fully healthy and a dedicated worker on his game. I believe he should receive the hardship waiver and be able to play in the upcoming season.
The Crusaders will have a very strong team, perhaps even be preseason favorites. More importantly, Bryce is developing a formidable program at just the right time. With the exit of Butler, whichever team appears best in the next few years will build a reputation and become the number one spot for recruits entering the Horizon League.
Huh?? Who else would be the preseason favorite other than the defending champion of the regular season who returns everyone. Detroit? No, they lose a bunch? Butler? Nope, they return a bunch but have unknown new guys and lose the heart and soul of the team in Nored. It will be Valpo, and I'd be surprised if we don't get all the first place votes.
Well, we don't exactly "return everyone," especially since two significant contributors, Edwards and Harris, have left. In addition, Butler's bringing in some very good players, including arguably the best 3-point shooter in the nation, not really an "unknown new guy."
Two significant contributors - sure. Replaceable players? I believe so. Our transfers are upgrades as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: vu72 on May 02, 2012, 04:45:31 PMHuh?? Who else would be the preseason favorite other than the defending champion of the regular season who returns everyone. Detroit? No, they lose a bunch? Butler? Nope, they return a bunch but have unknown new guys and lose the heart and soul of the team in Nored. It will be Valpo, and I'd be surprised if we don't get all the first place votes.
You guys need to pay more attention to vu72 ... his analysis is thoughtful and spot on. Valpo is loaded again next year and clearly should get all the first place votes in the preseason poll. I'd say anything less than a 7 seed and Sweet 16 appearance would be an under achievement for that group.
They've been the most talented team in the league for years, but just didn't seem to care about non-conference games and seemed to tighten up in the league tournament, post-season games and other important games near the end of the season. If Bryce can correct those areas, next year could be one to remember.
Quote from: EddieCabot on May 02, 2012, 07:53:11 PMThey've been the most talented team in the league for years
What?? Not sure I agree with that statement if you are saying it about the Crusaders.
Here is title that has been WAY over used. There are about 25 players who could claim that title and next year they could all surrender it to 25 other guys.
Quote from: valpopal on May 02, 2012, 05:06:13 PMarguably the best 3-point shooter in the nation
There are a ton of guys shooting better than 43.8%. Heck, Rowdy shot better than that his sophomore year.
I can't ever tell if EddieCabot is a Butler fan mocking us, or a Valpo fan who sees everything through 150% Valpo-colored glasses
The former.
Quote from: valpotx on May 02, 2012, 10:05:00 PMI can't ever tell if EddieCabot is a Butler fan mocking us, or a Valpo fan who sees everything through 150% Valpo-colored glasses
The former.
For the prosecution:
- commenting primarily on threads relevant to Butler (eg move to A-10, transfers vs HS recruits)
- refers to Valpo in second person ("You've won a conference championship, made an NIT appearance, retained your coach, have excellent facilities and have surpassed Butler in athletics excellence")
- Refers to Butler in first person ("Not sure if we'll be around, but maybe in a few years when all your seniors and juniors are gone, Butler might be able to compete again. I guess we'll see."
- Finally his posting stats (just .083 per day, roughly Butler's team FG% last year)
Quote from: FWalum on May 02, 2012, 09:47:46 PM
Here is title that has been WAY over used. There are about 25 players who could claim that title and next year they could all surrender it to 25 other guys.
Quote from: valpopal on May 02, 2012, 05:06:13 PMarguably the best 3-point shooter in the nation
There are a ton of guys shooting better than 43.8%. Heck, Rowdy shot better than that his sophomore year.
Jeff Goodman of CBS sports seems to think the same of Clarke as I do: "He is arguably the top perimeter shooter in the nation." Obviously, "arguably" means a case could be made for a number of others. However, even if he is just one of the best in the nation, that will still give Butler great improvement over the past season.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 02, 2012, 11:47:52 PM
The former.Quote from: valpotx on May 02, 2012, 10:05:00 PMI can't ever tell if EddieCabot is a Butler fan mocking us, or a Valpo fan who sees everything through 150% Valpo-colored glasses
The former.
For the prosecution:
- commenting primarily on threads relevant to Butler (eg move to A-10, transfers vs HS recruits)
- refers to Valpo in second person ("You've won a conference championship, made an NIT appearance, retained your coach, have excellent facilities and have surpassed Butler in athletics excellence")
- Refers to Butler in first person ("Not sure if we'll be around, but maybe in a few years when all your seniors and juniors are gone, Butler might be able to compete again. I guess we'll see."
- Finally his posting stats (just .083 per day, roughly Butler's team FG% last year)
Love the last point lol
Clarke and the freshman Dunham will give Butler ammo for this year. On paper VU looks outstanding, will the pieces all work together? The best player is Rowdy, as long as he sets the tone, it should be good.
lowposter
Let me add one more thing....championships are won on the court, in the locker room, and in the classrooms....not the preseason roster. No one had VU winning last year.
lowposter
Quote from: valpopal on May 03, 2012, 01:01:41 AMJeff Goodman of CBS sports seems to think the same of Clarke as I do: "He is arguably the top perimeter shooter in the nation." Obviously, "arguably" means a case could be made for a number of others. However, even if he is just one of the best in the nation, that will still give Butler great improvement over the past season.
Quote from: lowposter on May 03, 2012, 06:44:58 AMClarke and the freshman Dunham will give Butler ammo for this year. On paper VU looks outstanding, will the pieces all work together?
I agree with both of you, what I was trying to express is that I don't like all the labeling of "greatest this" or "preseason that". Clarke is a great shooter and will allow Stevens to return to a more traditional Butler offensive philosophy. Yes, VU returns all of its starters from last year, but don't underestimate the significance of chemistry. Chemistry can change dramatically from year to year even if the players remain basically the same. We are adding a number of players that could change the chemistry significantly.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 02, 2012, 11:47:52 PM
The former.Quote from: valpotx on May 02, 2012, 10:05:00 PMI can't ever tell if EddieCabot is a Butler fan mocking us, or a Valpo fan who sees everything through 150% Valpo-colored glasses
The former.
For the prosecution:
- commenting primarily on threads relevant to Butler (eg move to A-10, transfers vs HS recruits)
- refers to Valpo in second person ("You've won a conference championship, made an NIT appearance, retained your coach, have excellent facilities and have surpassed Butler in athletics excellence")
- Refers to Butler in first person ("Not sure if we'll be around, but maybe in a few years when all your seniors and juniors are gone, Butler might be able to compete again. I guess we'll see."
- Finally his posting stats (just .083 per day, roughly Butler's team FG% last year)
Nice research, but I've never hidden that I'm a Butler fan who also has an interest in Valpo. As for my comments, I'm not the only person who thinks that Valpo has had talent ... vu72 has claimed for years that Valpo's players (individually, at least) are more talented than the guys Butler has had.
As a Butler fan, I've also seen first hand how good Valpo can be when they play with focus and purpose. It's hard to believe that the Valpo team beating/nearly beating Butler time and time again is the same team that drops games to the likes of IPFW, IUPUI and Toledo. If Bryce can get them to play consistently at a high level, I don't know why you guys wouldn't expect big things from them. Having so many experienced guys should help in that regard also, IMO.
If I'm not mistaken, he even uses the same handle on both boards.
I took it as straight shooting, myself, FWIW.
Our pick up of Rossi is twice as nice since he doesn't go to Loyola, a league competitor whose message board fans had been counting on him being a Rambler.
Quote from: valpopal on May 03, 2012, 01:34:28 PM
Our pick up of Rossi is twice as nice since he doesn't go to Loyola, a league competitor whose message board fans had been counting on him being a Rambler.
This ^ ;D
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/12271760-452/lazerus-revolving-door-of-transfers-not-fun-for-hoops-fans.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/12271760-452/lazerus-revolving-door-of-transfers-not-fun-for-hoops-fans.html)
Not sure whether to post this under the "Recruiting" thread or the "Transfers" thread--and that's kind of the point of this column by Mark Lazerus.
I think he has a lot of good points, namely:
- Having as many transfers as this is off-putting to fans.
- Fans are more attached to playersthe more time they spend here (so Tonagel > Mo Kone, just as Jim Ford > John Becher). His description of Senior Night conveys this point excellently.
But also:
- Older players are usually better players--both more mature and more polished.
- Everyone is doing it. At least almost all the mid-majors.
- But finally, it works--we end up with better players than otherwise.
As this indicates, I also have mixed feelings about it--I think it's too bad when it doesn't work out, and it's great when it does. That's life:
longer relationships > shorter relationships
but
better relationships > longer relationships
The addition of transfers at Valpo is not new nor is it something of concern. Let's remember that the beginning of the turnaround of the Valpo basketball program into one with a winning tradition began with the addition of two transfers: Casey Schmidt and David Redmon.
I just added a comment on his site which says that transfers can also be popular as was the case with Cory Johnson, one of the most popular players with the fans and students in some time. He was only playing for us two years. Success brings following and player fans. Two years is long enough to get very popular. The new guys will be a big part of our current and future success.
Dwayne Toatley was another EXTREMELY popular transfer player.
And Anthony Allison.
And my all-time fave, Chris Artis.
And on and on.
This is much ado about nothing. This is the way it is in D-I hoops today.
I am sure many on here can remember when freshmen weren't even allowed to play.
I didn't know Toatley was a transfer, but then again, I also didn't know he was a walk-on when I first started at Valpo
Toatley transferred "up" to play with his good bud from Minneapolis, Jared Nuness. Dwane started out at Minnesota Duluth, a D2.
I think I understand where Mark's coming from. Can you imagine how difficult it's going to be to find a parking spot when we start selling out the ARC. Darn these talented transfers anyway!
Chris Artis has emboddied and defined the role of student, athlete, and community member. He was a great transfer.
I dont like the new system and think that it will hurt the recruitment and retention of incoming freshmen. But, this is the system that is in place now.
lowposter
Quote from: lowposter on May 04, 2012, 04:12:47 PM
Chris Artis has emboddied and defined the role of student, athlete, and community member. He was a great transfer.
I dont like the new system and think that it will hurt the recruitment and retention of incoming freshmen. But, this is the system that is in place now.
lowposter
I was going to raise the same question regarding how this impacts the recruitment of high school kids. On a positive note, Valpo has two HS commitments for next year and several more (4?) scholarships available for the recruiting class of '13. I guess time will tell whether Bryce trends back to recruiting HS kids or sticks with picking through the 400+ transfers for guys he likes.
Quote from: valpopal on May 04, 2012, 01:17:49 PM
The addition of transfers at Valpo is not new nor is it something of concern. Let's remember that the beginning of the turnaround of the Valpo basketball program into one with a winning tradition began with the addition of two transfers: Casey Schmidt and David Redmon.
Where would VU Basketball, or Homer, be without these two!
Do I like seeing as many players transfer out as we've seen the last few years? No.
Are transfers across all of Division I Men's Basketball increasing, and now part of the process? Yes.
The VU team has to play with the cards dealt - if we have three transfers out, then we need to replace those players. Would it be nice to add a HS player that could immediately step in with some playing time? Yes. This is unlikely, as the relationship with the HS player needs to be cultivated over 18-36 months, and if we didn't have a scholarship available, then such a player would be looking elsewhere. VU is not in the same position as a Michigan State or IU - where if a scholarship becomes available, and you've kept a dialog with a HS player and told them to wait until signing day, that you could offer a scholarship at the last second, and have the kid change his mind from Northwestern (or some other hypothetical situation). We might be in that position in a few years, but not now. With transfers and JUCO, VU doesn't have to expend a lot of time or resources to get a quality player. It appears that Bryce is doing a good job with the overall recruiting process - despite the number of transfers occurring in Division I basketball.
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 30, 2012, 07:51:15 PM
Not to derail the line of thought on this string, but............
I am a relative newbie on this whole forum (couldn't ya tell?) and I could use some help. And maybe there are a couple of others that are in my boat as well. Anyway, to any of you grizzled vets: I am watching the transferring and recruiting stuff, and I find it facinating. It's almost like an underworld. But, here's my question: Is this a new and aggressive tack taken by Bryce, or was this always the way things were done and Homer did much of the same?
Being from the other side of the world (east coast), in the past, until I found you guys, I only followed VU via the crawler on ESPN. I knew, like everyone else, that foreign players were a strength in the past, but this is (to me ) pretty wild - the harvesting of dissatisfied BB players at other institutions.
I am feeling good about the fact that Valpo has suddenly found a higher gear in a better league (MSO, MBB are already HL champs and Baseball and Softball are on the possible verge of same). I'll be moving to WI within the year and look forward to seeing Valpo play more often -- been basically restricted to Marist in FB and one home FB game (oh, and I can remember a UWM game in MKE in the 90's when I was there on a consulting engagement).
So, thanks for any enlightenment.
I'm quoting myself, but yesterday's dialogue on the transfer environment answered many of the questions I had as expressed in my previous post. It still seems like a bit of an underworld to me.
The other thing that occurred to me is if freshman are recruited into a program that leans on xfers, they may get fidgety with lack of playing time cuz older xfers are brought in above them on the depth chart so they decide to xfer and the cycle is perpetuated. Make sense?
Just read Lazerus' column. He stated the same thing about the self-perpetuating cycle.
I guess it begs the question, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?". Lowposter said, "I don't like the current system". To me, a system sounds like the transfer phenomonen is being driven primarily by coaches pushing players out to create openings for new players. Is it that, or is it the current crop of GenY athletes who want a more immediate return on what is a huge commitment of time and energy? I don't know the answer. It would be interesting to hear from some parents of student athletes who have gone (are going) through this experience.
Quote from: 78crusader on May 02, 2012, 03:55:43 PM
Quote from: 78crusader on May 02, 2012, 03:55:43 PMAlex Rossi Uh...he scored 5 points last year
paul
Thought that this was an interesting quote from an article back in April showing the Cal perspective that seems to explain and negate 78crusader's comment.
QuoteCal Basketball Transfers: Emerson Murray, Alex Rossi
Rossi ... hard to say what happened with Rossi. Scuttlebutt is that there was a family emergency back home and he's heading back to a school closer to Illinois. It's also quite possible that there's an unofficial reason: That his hernia injury never recovered to the point where the coaches thought he'd be able to play at a high level the next several seasons. We'll probably get our answer if Rossi transfers to another D-I program or not.
Whatever the case, it's a bigger blow than Murray, as a healthy Rossi could've provided the Bears with another shooting option to pair alongside Crabbe to free both up for better looks. Rossi has a good shooting stroke that could've opened up the three point line for us. Cal now has only two proven shooters in Cobbs and Crabbe; Kreklow or Wallace will need to provide some scoring punch to keep the offense humming.
Hope he is now in shape and can stay away from the injury bug.
Quote from: wh on May 05, 2012, 10:36:22 AM
I guess it begs the question, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?". Lowposter said, "I don't like the current system". To me, a system sounds like the transfer phenomenon is being driven primarily by coaches pushing players out to create openings for new players. Is it that, or is it the current crop of GenY athletes who want a more immediate return on what is a huge commitment of time and energy? I don't know the answer. It would be interesting to hear from some parents of student athletes who have gone (are going) through this experience.
I'm with you WH on this one. I'm trying to imagine what it must be like to be the parent of the HS star looking to sign, knowing that this dynamic is taking hold. It used to be so simple: have a great HS career, sign with a school at the right level, play 4-5 years at the same place, graduate. Now that is no longer the norm -- the norm is much more complex. As a parent I'd be confused, wary and concerned.
Quote from: VULB#62 on May 06, 2012, 08:46:42 AM
Quote from: wh on May 05, 2012, 10:36:22 AM
I guess it begs the question, "Which came first, the chicken or the egg?". Lowposter said, "I don't like the current system". To me, a system sounds like the transfer phenomenon is being driven primarily by coaches pushing players out to create openings for new players. Is it that, or is it the current crop of GenY athletes who want a more immediate return on what is a huge commitment of time and energy? I don't know the answer. It would be interesting to hear from some parents of student athletes who have gone (are going) through this experience.
I'm with you WH on this one. I'm trying to imagine what it must be like to be the parent of the HS star looking to sign, knowing that this dynamic is taking hold. It used to be so simple: have a great HS career, sign with a school at the right level, play 4-5 years at the same place, graduate. Now that is no longer the norm -- the norm is much more complex. As a parent I'd be confused, wary and concerned.
I would agree with WH and VULB#62 about how recruiting has drastically changed from "achieve awesome grades, play, get awesome stats, and show your acumen towards your sport" to now, "We want you, but might not keep you if you aren't what we thought you were". If I was a parent of a student-athlete being recruited in the current culture of college sports, I would, after some time of seeing the game play out, get to a point of talking my son or daughter into reconsidering what his/her goals are for the sport and his/her goals for education/career, and see if the current culture of college sports recruiting, at least at the D-I level is really worth the time involved, or if they would be better off going to a D-II/III or NAIA program where they can play and go to class, and not just be another number in the crowd.
valporun:
You are making considerable sense with your comments. There is still a tendancy among high school players and or their parents that D1 is a critical level. It is about being happy and making academic progress during your 4 (+) years as a student athlete. I mentioned earlier Chris Artis. He is an outstanding example of a young man who took advantage of his gifts, both on and off the court.
Ditto - Robbie Hummel (just had to get that in).
Most of the VU players fit that category...good solid students, athletes, and citizens. It is the trend that is disturbing. There is a certain amount of vetting and control that goes into recruiting a player over the course of a year (or 2) in high school. Transfers come up quickly and the timing is often short.
Let's hope this all works out.
Meanwhile, my guess is the D2's, NAIA's and D3s will see some pretty decent talent swing their way in the upcoming years.
Lowpposter
With the 2012-13 roster now apparently set, there are still more questions than answers about all of the non-seniors and what each might contribute to next seasons results.
What about Rossi and Kurth, will either be both healthy and available next year? Don't know.
Any chance that Jordan Coleman can show up next fall ready for prime time significant minutes? No clue.
Just how critically important will LaVonte Dority be to the team if he can not join it until mid-season? Absolutely no idea!
And by carefully watching Capobianco and Fernandez standing at mid-court during team warm ups all year, the only thing that I can confidently tell you about their abilities is that nobody in D-1 basketball could have stood there any better. But can they play? All of us are optimistic, but is all of this optimism rational? At least with Edwards and Harris we knew exactly where we stood. Now, with all of these changes and uncertainties I don't know anymore.
I just can't wait for Nov to get here so we begin to get the total picture.
Personally, I am looking forward to the summer.
Basketball tends to "get me thru" the winter months, particularly January and February.
This team is well positioned to make a big impact in the HL and potentially win a game or two post season. It should be fun, but personally, give me a few months of long days, tshirts and shorts, fresh vegetables from the garden, and all the other summer amenities.
lowposter
Valpo picks up a new recruit, PG Lexus Williams for 2013:
http://blogs.post-trib.com/lazerus/2012/05/2013-pg-williams-commits-to-va.html (http://blogs.post-trib.com/lazerus/2012/05/2013-pg-williams-commits-to-va.html)
So much for the "transfer only" theory! Sounds like a bigger, better shooting version of Erik Buggs!! :thumbsup:
Good to know and to have! Perhaps this means they envision Nick Davidson as more of a combo guard--to play off, and then point when Lexus parks it on the bench?
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/drew-lands-third-commit-for-class-of/article_757173c5-354b-51c9-ad32-0c94ceac8867.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/drew-lands-third-commit-for-class-of/article_757173c5-354b-51c9-ad32-0c94ceac8867.html)
Here is Oren's take. ...can we all agree that the problem with Illinois HS basketball is that they have the regional before the sectional? Ridonkyoulous.
I don't think there ever was a "transfer theory". Bryce had a large number of players that would have or will be graduating after the 12-13 season. Bryce may have needed to ( or wanted to ) be able to spread out the recruiting situation to where 3 or 4 would normally graduate any given year. So bring in transfers to even out the number of players in each class and thus provide a more stable situation every year. I expect to see more freshmen recruits from now on with perhaps transfers and jc recruits filling in the wholes as needed. 3 freshmen recruits to start next years recruiting class are an excellent example of what I think is what Bryce is looking for.
Quote from: vu72 on May 09, 2012, 08:16:32 PM
So much for the "transfer only" theory! Sounds like a bigger, better shooting version of Erik Buggs!! :thumbsup:
not much bigger ;)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 09, 2012, 08:47:12 PMcan we all agree that the problem with Illinois HS basketball is that they have the regional before the sectional? Ridonkyoulous.
Juliet:"What's in a name? That which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet."
Bill Tremorlongweapon
Nice picture of Lexus!
http://www.rocwithme.com/college/bryce-drew-valpo-lands-lexus-williams (http://www.rocwithme.com/college/bryce-drew-valpo-lands-lexus-williams)
In high school Lexus is better known as "Hot Rod" Williams. Will he keep this nickname at Valpo?
Quote from: valpopal on May 10, 2012, 09:22:37 AM
In high school Lexus is better known as "Hot Rod" Williams. Will he keep this nickname at Valpo?
Might need to be tuned-up a little.
Does this mean that our 2013 offer to Dominique Hawkins point guard from Madison Central in Kentucky will now be withdrawn? These 2 seem to be very similar type ballplayers. I would think the rest of the 2013 scholarships would go to big guys.
Quote from: justducky on May 10, 2012, 11:35:26 AM
Quote from: valpopal on May 10, 2012, 09:22:37 AM
In high school Lexus is better known as "Hot Rod" Williams. Will he keep this nickname at Valpo?
Might need to be tuned-up a little.
Does this mean that our 2013 offer to Dominique Hawkins point guard from Madison Central in Kentucky will now be withdrawn? These 2 seem to be very similar type ballplayers. I would think the rest of the 2013 scholarships would go to big guys.
I truly believe for Valpo it's make the offer and see if it's accepted and then if too many are accepted then they "work" something out. Or is this against NCAA regulations?
It is very common for a team to offer two similar players. If one accepts, the other offer is withdrawn. I.E. Scott Martin accepts offer from Purdue. Purdue withdraws offer to Matt Howard. Matt Howard leads Butler to two NCAA championship games. Scott Martin transfers to Notre Dame.
Quote from: chef on May 10, 2012, 10:51:10 PM
It is very common for a team to offer two similar players. If one accepts, the other offer is withdrawn. I.E. Scott Martin accepts offer from Purdue. Purdue withdraws offer to Matt Howard. Matt Howard leads Butler to two NCAA championship games. Scott Martin transfers to Notre Dame.
That was both informative and entertaining. Well done, sir ;)
I like what Bryce and crew is doing here. Yeah, I complained somewhat about the transfers in and the transfers out. That is probably out of necessity to be competitive NOW and for the next coupole of years.
This group of '13s is shaping up nicely...returning to players within 50 miles of VU. That creates a local buzz. The Chicago connection is starting to take hold.
The Madison Central PG - Hawkins - is a load. The offer to Williams means Hawkins was probably either leaning another way, or was not ready to commit. Better to take someone who is ready and willing than wait for someone else...who might fly away.
The Howard/Martin comparison is excellent. Martin was the higher level recruit...Howard would have been the missing piece, he was an outstanding college basketball player. Image, if you will...Etwan, Juwan, Robbie, and Matt. What a shame.
Lowposter
Quote from: lowposter on May 11, 2012, 10:52:05 AM
The Howard/Martin comparison is excellent. Martin was the higher level recruit...Howard would have been the missing piece, he was an outstanding college basketball player. Image, if you will...Etwan, Juwan, Robbie, and Matt. What a shame.
Lowposter
They just don't call that many flops in the Big Ten. I read it's one of the reasons, besides getting hurt, that Howard never made it in the Greek League. Also economically the Greeks couldn't afford an expensive American who was playing injured. Americans who produced cheaply were at a premium and Howard wasn't producing.
Greece is the biggest entitlement society across the pond. Their government is broke and seeking a bailout from Germany and other European nations but aren't willing to make any meaningful reductions to social program funding to reduce their incredible national debt. Matt Howard would never fit into a place like that. He works way too hard and doesn't expect to be handed anything. Moreover, Greek professional basketball teams are required to have a specific majority percentage (don't recall the %) of Greek players on each team (more entitlements). So, an American player like Matt could be better than several Greeks on his team and still get cut. He'll be far better off playing somewhere else where hard work and equal opportunity are better valued.
Two foreigners per Greek team.
For what it is worth:
Pike HS 6'6" forward Jamie Rutherford (2013) is currently visiting Butler. He is also receiving interest from UIC, Valpo, Western Michigan, Detroit and SMU.
Quote from: valpopal on May 11, 2012, 01:26:54 PM
For what it is worth:
Pike HS 6'6" forward Jamie Rutherford (2013) is currently visiting Bulter. He is also receiving interest from UIC, Valpo, Western Michigan, Detroit and SMU.
I saw highlights on HTSI from the the Pike vs Park Tudor game from January. I thought Rutherford was better than Yogi Ferrel in that game. Pike knocked off the 2A powerhouse by 12.
Another bit of info: Mack Mercer 6'8" from Plymouth HS (2014) has visited Indiana State and is planning a visit to Valpo.
The Best Shooting Wing In Illinois From 2013?
Peters converted 3-point shots with uncanny accuracy in his Peoria Irish 17-under squad's opening round platinum division tournament contest versus the Chi-Town Diablos. His play throughout the event was instrumental in enabling the Irish to reach the quarterfinals of the tournament. Peters has a smooth, quick release and absolute textbook form when it comes to his shot. If you give him an ounce of room from behind the 3-point stripe it is going to be money just about every time. Again, that is what we are talking about when it comes to the crux of this article. College coaches who have watched Peters have certainly taken notice of this, as he currently holds scholarship offers from the likes of Indiana-Purdue-Ft. Wayne, Illinois State, Illinois-Chicago, Wisconsin-Green Bay, IUPUI, Loyola-Chicago, Valparaiso, and Tulane.
So based on everything that we have examined, who would we go with as the best shooting wing in Illinois from the 2013 class? Right now from everything that we have seen we would give Peters the slight edge.
http://ilprepbullseye.com/Top_Shooting_Wings.html (http://ilprepbullseye.com/Top_Shooting_Wings.html)
PS from Scott Burgess of Chicago Hoops on twitter this morning: "Alec Peters goes for an incredible 45 points in the Irish loss to the Louisville Magic. He was the best I've ever seen him."
More on Alec's 45 pts:
http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1852:alec-peters-snaps-off-45-points-for-peoria-irish&catid=34:recruiting (http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1852:alec-peters-snaps-off-45-points-for-peoria-irish&catid=34:recruiting)
Andrean star reaffirms commitment to the Crusaders:
By Paul Oren Times Correspondent
Sunday, May 13, 2012 7:00 pm
VALPARAISO | When Chicago point guard Lexus Williams gave his verbal commitment to the Valparaiso men's basketball team last week, it looked like at first glance that Bryce Drew was picking up some insurance in case Andrean star Nick Davidson decided to reopen his recruitment.
Spend any amount of time talking to Davidson and it becomes apparent that the senior-to-be can't wait to get started with the Crusaders in the fall of 2013.
"I'm 100 percent committed to Valparaiso," Davidson said. "There's absolutely no doubt about it."
When Davidson talked about the Crusaders, he used words like "we" and "us," and noted that he was bummed out when Valparaiso fell in the Horizon League championship game against Detroit.
"I liked what we did this year, but it just didn't work out," Davidson said. "I was in the crowd for the tournament games and it's a dream to play in front of fans like that. Being in that atmosphere, it was motivation to get back in the gym the next day."
Getting in the gym will be a focal point for Davidson this summer as the Andrean star will be stepping away from AAU Basketball this year. While a lot of players spend the summer before their senior year playing as many games as possible to earn the best college offer they can get, Davidson plans to use his offseason to put on some muscle and play open gym games with his future teammates.
"I'd get to the end of my high school seasons and just be fatigued," Davidson said. "I want to take care of my body and get ready for a successful final year at Andrean, and then make the transition to Valpo."
Davidson and fellow VU commit Clay Yeo (Triton) spent time together watching Valparaiso games this season and now Williams will be added to the mix next year. The three have already been communicating with each other about potential teammates that the coaching staff could sign with the three remaining scholarships for the 2013-14 season.
While Davidson is eager to get his Valparaiso career started, he was disappointed to learn that Butler bolted for the Atlantic 10 and will be out of the Horizon League by the time Davidson and his incoming teammates are on the roster.
"I thought the whole thing was kind of sad," Davidson said. "I have a tremendous amount of respect for Butler and it won't be the same without them on the schedule. It's a packed house and I was looking forward to playing in those games."
I'm not sure why P.O. would say that at first glance it looked like Bryce offered Lexus Williams as insurance in case Nick Davidson reopened his recruiting. Williams is a pure PG and Nick is a 6-4 SG. They're a perfect complement.
Quote from: wh on May 13, 2012, 10:28:21 PMWhile Davidson is eager to get his Valparaiso career started, he was disappointed to learn that Butler bolted for the Atlantic 10 and will be out of the Horizon League by the time Davidson and his incoming teammates are on the roster.
"I thought the whole thing was kind of sad," Davidson said. "I have a tremendous amount of respect for Butler and it won't be the same without them on the schedule. It's a packed house and I was looking forward to playing in those games."
I think Bryce and LaBarbara should be working on getting a non-conference opponent with the stature of a Butler. Maybe Gonzaga, VCU, Princeton or Creighton. Don't offer a 2 for 1 but maybe throw some revenue dollars their way for the game at the ARC. Not large dollars but something in line with the level of a mid-major playing against a slightly higher level mid-major.
It's time to work on those relationships with those coaches and their AD's now.
It would definitely be wise to get another named opponent on the home schedule in losing the Butler games for the rest of eternity (they will never schedule us). Something to get the stands packed and give the environment that Davidson is speaking about.
I think we might have a better shot at a Xavier or Dayton. A team with some quality RPI consistency over a long period of time, not just recent years with a coach who might jump to the high major with the next big offer. I sorta like bbtds's list of Gonzaga, VCU, Princeton, and Creighton, but I don't know that any of these teams would really want to travel to Valparaiso, Indiana for a November-December game? I bring up Xavier and Dayton because they would bring decent to large travel parties with them, that wouldn't have to worry about plane tickets and endless hours in airport check-in/security lines. It really works nicely for Xavier or Dayton to have a Saturday game because it makes it more of a day trip for their fans, and an overnight stay for the team by bus, rather than plane tickets, so the revenue sharing idea would work better if we can get an A-10 team with a name that only has to bus to Valpo, rather than fly into Indy or Chicago to bus to Valpo.
Quote from: valporun on May 14, 2012, 11:56:20 AM
I think we might have a better shot at a Xavier or Dayton. A team with some quality RPI consistency over a long period of time, not just recent years with a coach who might jump to the high major with the next big offer. I sorta like bbtds's list of Gonzaga, VCU, Princeton, and Creighton, but I don't know that any of these teams would really want to travel to Valparaiso, Indiana for a November-December game? I bring up Xavier and Dayton because they would bring decent to large travel parties with them, that wouldn't have to worry about plane tickets and endless hours in airport check-in/security lines. It really works nicely for Xavier or Dayton to have a Saturday game because it makes it more of a day trip for their fans, and an overnight stay for the team by bus, rather than plane tickets, so the revenue sharing idea would work better if we can get an A-10 team with a name that only has to bus to Valpo, rather than fly into Indy or Chicago to bus to Valpo.
Honestly Dayton fans are the best in college basketball and would bring too many. They pack in and almost fill the Dayton Arena for the "First Four," the play-in games for the NCAA tournament, for teams they don't even follow paying prices that range from $25 to $50 or more. Xavier fans have not been too bad but their team certainly has a rotten reputation for confrontation. One of their players broke a drinking fountain at Hinkle Fieldhouse 3 or 4 years ago by trying to bust it off the wall. I bet the Xavier & Butler fans are really going to have plenty to talk about when this rivalry gets really going on a once or twice a year basis with conference positioning on the line.
my aunt and uncle and now two cousins are ud alums/students. playing the flyers would be perfectly fine for me. one more reason to harass them. :)
Until its facility is completely updated, the basketball program is at a complete disadvantage for drawing teams to the ARC, IMO. What would help a school like VU as far as home scheduling is for the HL to get into some sort of "challenge" with another conference like the MVC for 3-5 years if possible. That would force at least one game at home every other year against an opponent from a quality mid-major conference. Perhaps when the MWC/MVC challenge expires the HL could approach the MVC. One other alternative would be for the HL to arrange some sort of scheduling alliance between itself and one other conference like the CAA, or even the Big West or WCC so that you can get guaranteed 1 for 1's as part of the alliance itself.
The only other option is to schedule "home" games in Chicago as has been done in the past.
Quote from: crusaderjoe on May 14, 2012, 06:17:04 PM
Until its facility is completely updated, the basketball program is at a complete disadvantage for drawing teams to the ARC, IMO. What would help a school like VU as far as home scheduling is for the HL to get into some sort of "challenge" with another conference like the MVC for 3-5 years if possible. That would force at least one game at home every other year against an opponent from a quality mid-major conference. Perhaps when the MWC/MVC challenge expires the HL could approach the MVC. One other alternative would be for the HL to arrange some sort of scheduling alliance between itself and one other conference like the CAA, or even the Big West or WCC so that you can get guaranteed 1 for 1's as part of the alliance itself.
The only other option is to schedule "home" games in Chicago as has been done in the past.
Unless you are planning to increase capacity to say, 12000, and then, find a way to fill it, the capacity of the ARC isn't the issue. Whether or not we need a renovation (which I certainly agree on) is another issue. If we take the Loyola model, we maybe increase capacity to about 6000 from 5500 and make everyone more comfortable with nice chairs. Loyola is a bigger school (16000 students), with a larger alumni base in their backyard, an still can't see why they want more seating.
Being in the mighty A-10 isn't the answer either. As pointed out by wh, five of the A-10 schools have a smaller capacity than the ARC. The advantage they have, if any, is their location primarily in bigger cities or near more colleges. Even so, take a look at Richmond with a seating capacity exceeding 9000. Last year they brought in American, Hampton, Sacred heart, Iona, Old Dominion and Liberty. Other than good games with Iona and Old Dominion, does their home schedule make your heart race? Look at another A-10er in LaSalle. They brought in Lafayette, Robert Morris, Rider, Northeastern, Bucknell, Army and Boston U. Hardly the ACC.
Other A-10s have apparently scheduled home and homes with Horizon teams as St. Bonnie had Cleveland State at their place last year and Fordham had Loyola. I doubt they would have gone there without a return game. I'm sure Butler will want to keep an Horizon team or two on their schedule as well.
I like the idea of a conference challenge and the Valley, being one of the top 10 would be great, but the MAC is more likely. I also like scheduling "name" team from the Ivy or Patriot league. Bringing in Harvard or Yale or Princeton sure wouldn't hurt our RPI and would draw some local attention. We should also look at a home and home with an A-10 other than Butler. St. Bonnie, Fordham, LaSalle, St. Joes, GW or even Richmond would be great on our home schedule and would certainly entertain the idea.
Who is talking about capacity? This has to be at least the third or fourth time someone has raised a capacity argument when a discussion breaks out regarding the ARC. No one on this board as far as I know has ever advocated for a 10,000+ seat arena. For me personally, I feel that the magic number is between an expandable 7K and 7500 as a multi-purpose type venue. Not to go off tangent but since we are talking about capacity, this is Indiana--not Minnesota or Missouri. Basketball is king. Three of the largest high school gyms in the nation are located in NWI. All exceed 7K. VU needs to be right on par with these facilities given the backdrop of where this institution is located. Anything else screams small time from a public perception standpoint and from a marketing standpoint, IMO.
It was suggested that VU should throw money at teams like Gonzaga or Dayton to come to the ARC. Where's this money going to come from? The general fund? Probably not. It will probably come from a split from ticket sales, which means that in order to at least break even, VU will have to charge more per those games than "normal." And this is where VU becomes hamstrung because the ARC is crap. While someone might be willing to shell out a hypothetical $30.00-$40.00 for a Purdue or Marquette because those teams come from BCS conferences, the buying public in general will not be willing to do so on a repetitive basis for another mid-major given that the venue has one concession stand, terrible sight lines and a terrible seating configuration, and uncomfortable seating. The ARC is not a historical venue where the amenities may be garbage but the experience of taking in a game at the venue outweighs those limitations like the old Orange Bowl. So it is hamstrung.
Hell, when I flew up to see Butler a year ago I stood on the track so I could watch the game from behind the basket in order to see plays break out along with about 50 other Butler and VU fans. I stood for three hours, and this is after I traveled over 1200 miles to come to a game. Now I realize that I was there for only one game but to fill the ARC and bring in good teams on a repetitive basis, you are going to have to draw people from Lake County to fill seats for these games. That ain't happening with the venue VU has in place now. Otherwise, it would have already happened. Given the ARC is lacking in many respects, capacity does play a part because it affects revenue.
I guess I' lost on this one. Are you saying that renovating the ARC will make more good teams willing to come there? Why would more concession stands, restrooms etc make a Gonzaga come to Valpo if the revenue generated isn't enough to pay them for the visit? That is the capacity issue. If you are telling me that people will pay significantly more for a seat after a renovation then it makes some sense. Loyola has done just that but their non-conference schedule isn't any better than Valpo's.
As I pointed out, A-10 teams face the same problem. It isn't the venue, although I think to some extent people will pay more if they have good views and comfortable seats, it's mid-major basketball. People have limited interest across the board, except a Gonzaga, Xavier or Dayton which would all argue, and correctly, that they no longer fall into this category via national rankings.
'72, you had raised the capacity issue in your post so I responded to it. I never contended that the capacity of the ARC was in issue as it relates to drawing teams there. But since you mentioned capacity, I kind of rolled with it in my response. Sorry for the confusion. I do think capacity is important though from a multi-purpose venue standpoint.
My contention simply is that the ARC currently hampers home scheduling in general. Further, if VU is going to throw money at a Gonzaga or another mid-major in order to get them to come to the ARC, Valpo will have an easier time collecting revenue to do so by selling those programs and the general public a remodeled arena with better amenities. As it stands right now, I think VU is in a difficult position to do so given the ARCs current limitations.
Since you brought up capacity, let me just say one other thing about some of the smaller venues in the A-10. Comparing their situations to Valpo's in some respects is like comparing apples and oranges. Take Hagan Arena at SJU for example. Yes, Hagan only seats 4200, which is smaller than the ARC. But on the other hand, Hagan is also a historical venue, having been built in in the 1940's, so it has a historical element to it as a draw. It was also completely remodeled two years ago. Also too, SJU also has access to the Palestra. Valpo has no historical tie in to the ARC, has no remodeled venue, and has no "fall back" arena as SJU does. Therefore, comparatively speaking, as between VU and SJU and their respective venue capacities, it's not as big a deal as it might appear that the ARC is larger than Hagan Arena. VU doesn't necessarily have an advantage one way or another because it has the larger venue.
this topic is getting a long way away from "recruiting" as I understand recruiting...facilities are one thing but I think of recruiting as info regarding signees or potential ones
Quote from: valpo64 on May 17, 2012, 05:53:58 PM
this topic is getting a long way away from "recruiting" as I understand recruiting...facilities are one thing but I think of recruiting as info regarding signees or potential ones
Getting back to "recruiting": word is that Mack Mercer 6'8" from Plymouth HS (2014) will visit Valpo June 6.
Late last night (1/31) Plymouth's Mack Mercer, a 6'8" Sophomore received a phone call from Xavier and was urged to take a visit to campus soon. Mercer also told the Indiana Recruiting Guide that he has been hearing from Butler, Notre Dame, Valparaiso, and Indiana State.
Mercer has visited Indiana State and will visit Valpo June 6. The coaches from Indiana State indicated that they will likely extend an offer on June 15, the first day college coaches can call 2014 prospects directly. With Mercer's visit the first week of June, perhaps Valpo will offer on June 15 as well.
One of the more skilled and physical prospects in the class of 2013 is Elkhart (Ind.) Memorial combo guard Markese McGuire (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/viewprospect.asp?Sport=2&pr_key=104018). The 6-foot-3 junior has enjoyed a fine spring with Spiece Higher Level and currently holds offers from UIC, Northern Illinois, Evansville, Mercer, Gardner Webb and
Valparaiso. Dayton and Davidson are among the programs that have also taken a look.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/highschool/05/24/basketball.recruiting.montrezl.harrell/index.html#ixzz1vqOM70ip (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/highschool/05/24/basketball.recruiting.montrezl.harrell/index.html#ixzz1vqOM70ip)
Quote from: valpopal on May 21, 2012, 09:39:33 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on May 17, 2012, 05:53:58 PM
this topic is getting a long way away from "recruiting" as I understand recruiting...facilities are one thing but I think of recruiting as info regarding signees or potential ones
Getting back to "recruiting": word is that Mack Mercer 6'8" from Plymouth HS (2014) will visit Valpo June 6.
Any word on how Mercer's visit went?
Link to rosters for the first Indiana-Kentucky Junior All Star Games. Davidson and Yeo playing in the Friday game.
http://blogs.indystar.com/recruitingcentral/2012/06/11/indiana-rosters-for-indiana-kentucky-junior-all-star-games/ (http://blogs.indystar.com/recruitingcentral/2012/06/11/indiana-rosters-for-indiana-kentucky-junior-all-star-games/)
Quote from: wh on June 08, 2012, 04:46:18 PM
Quote from: valpopal on May 21, 2012, 09:39:33 PM
Quote from: valpo64 on May 17, 2012, 05:53:58 PM
this topic is getting a long way away from "recruiting" as I understand recruiting...facilities are one thing but I think of recruiting as info regarding signees or potential ones
Getting back to "recruiting": word is that Mack Mercer 6'8" from Plymouth HS (2014) will visit Valpo June 6.
Any word on how Mercer's visit went?
I haven't heard yet about Mercer's VU visit, but he did visit Ball State today and received an offer on the spot. I wouldn't be surprised by a VU offer soon.
Latest news on Alec Peters:
"The Rocwithme.com crew was in full force this weekend at the Peoria Richwoods Shootout, and they were not disappointed. Teams from all over the state showed up to compete but one player shined more than the rest. Alec Peters of shootout champion Washington High School put on a show all weekend long. Peters is a Rocwithme.com regular and showed why. On Sunday Peters had games of 31 and 25 points and grabbed double digit rebounds. As mentioned in a previous article Peters is currently sitting on 12 mid-major offers, but with his play this weekend high major schools are starting to take notice. Schools like Penn State, Clemson, Washington St, Stanford, and Nebraska had all called Alec prior to the shootout and now they should start doing a little more. University of Wisconsin has popped up on the radar and has invited Peters to their Elite camp this week. The 6'7 SF is one of the best shooters to come through the state of Illinois since Indiana University sharpshooter Matt Roth, who happened to attend the same high school."
http://www.rocwithme.com/alec/alec-peters-rocwithmecom-mvp-rhs-shootout (http://www.rocwithme.com/alec/alec-peters-rocwithmecom-mvp-rhs-shootout)
I just read that Milos Kostic decomitted from Northwestern. He is a Class of '13 kid. Could he be a possible Valpo guy?
http://www.sippinonpurple.com/2012/6/8/3073035/cruitin-milos-kostic-decommits-brad-north-macan-wilson-commit (http://www.sippinonpurple.com/2012/6/8/3073035/cruitin-milos-kostic-decommits-brad-north-macan-wilson-commit)
apparently his recruiting coach (after he left Noll) is Ivan Vujic!?!?!? I think he should put in a good word for his alma mater if his current employer won't admit him. Lord knows there are scholarships available...
Quote from: vu72 on June 14, 2012, 11:17:04 AM
I just read that Milos Kostic decomitted from Northwestern. He is a Class of '13 kid. Could he be a possible Valpo guy?
I hear he is looking at attending Dayton.
Northwestern Schadenfreude:
http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=179&f=1606&t=9049555 (http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=179&f=1606&t=9049555)
Dayton speculation:
http://www.udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21120 (http://www.udpride.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21120)
Basically it boils down to 3 Croatian AAU teammates; one got admitted, the other two went to a podunk school and didn't test well (should've stayed at Noll, dude), and had their tickets pulled. Now the first to get dropped, Brzoja, is looking at Dayton, but their dance card is full: http://northwestern.scout.com/2/1192368.html (http://northwestern.scout.com/2/1192368.html).
So...your guess is as good as mine. If Kostic wanted to go to Dayton, it would only be because Brzoja was there too. But he won't be...so he is probably still up in the air.
Kostic entered Noll as a 6'8" freshman and is now a 68" senior. The word is Noll was not too disappointed that he left a year ago. I havent seen him play since last June, so I have no idea of his progress.
Mercer is a very nice player (watched him recently) and will improve with age. He has excellent low post skills, but favors going to his left. That of course can be worked on. He has 3 point range. He needs to work on his rebounding and defensive skills, but let's not lose track of the fact that he is a junior who is pushing 6'9". His frame will fill out nicely. Could be a 6'10 - 250 pounder by junior year in college, perhaps more.
This is one to keep your eye on. It is understood why Ball State offered him.
lowposter
Am interested to hear what the status of Alec Peters is currently...I had been under the impression that he was leaning toward Valpo. He an his Dad told me at a VU b=ball game late in the year that he intended to decide and sign during the early signing period. At that time he spoke very well of Valpo, especially of Bryce and the young staff and appeared to be leaning toward Valpo. Sounds like he could be a great find if we can get him.
I believe Friday, June 15, is the first day coaches can make unlimited direct contact with recruits from the class of 2014. I assume we can expect an increase in activity.
Quote from: valpo64 on June 14, 2012, 09:53:32 PM
Am interested to hear what the status of Alec Peters is currently...I had been under the impression that he was leaning toward Valpo. He an his Dad told me at a VU b=ball game late in the year that he intended to decide and sign during the early signing period. At that time he spoke very well of Valpo, especially of Bryce and the young staff and appeared to be leaning toward Valpo. Sounds like he could be a great find if we can get him.
Ah, I was just trying to recall who had said they had an encounter with Alec and his Dad at one of our home games this past season. So it was you, 64. It's not often that one of us has an opportunity to help influence the decision of such an important recruit. If Alec decides to bring his considerable talents to Valpo, you deserve kudos for being a great ambassador :).
By the way, I'm being serious. Like anywhere in life, a friendly welcome from someone you don't know in an unfamiliar setting can go a long way in leaving a lasting positive impression.
According to ESPN, in addition to previously mentioned Steve Haney, Valpo now has offers out to two others from the 2013 class: Toby Hegner (6'9" PF) and Jubril Adedkaya (6'6" SF). All are rated two-star recruits by ESPN, three-star ratings by Rivals.
Perhaps someone more in the know than I could set up a 2013 offer list in a separate thread, to keep track of all the offerees?
Quote from: valpopal on June 15, 2012, 10:48:05 AM
According to ESPN, in addition to previously mentioned Steve Haney, Valpo now has offers out to two others from the 2013 class: Toby Hegner (6'9" PF) and Jubril Adedkaya (6'6" SF). All are rated two-star recruits by ESPN, three-star ratings by Rivals.
Apparently, Toby Hegner committed to Creighton today.
Please help some of us less educated in the rules of recruiting...when is the actual early signing period? As of today, are the coaches permitted to contact recruits? How long is that period for actual contact?
Quote from: valpo64 on June 18, 2012, 07:38:43 PM
Please help some of us less educated in the rules of recruiting...when is the actual early signing period? As of today, are the coaches permitted to contact recruits? How long is that period for actual contact?
This covers the early signing period question:
http://basketball.about.com/od/recruiting/a/signing-dates.htm (http://basketball.about.com/od/recruiting/a/signing-dates.htm)
This should cover the "July" question:
http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/basketball+resources/july+coaches+primer (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/basketball+resources/july+coaches+primer)
Quote from: valpopal on June 15, 2012, 10:48:05 AM
According to ESPN, in addition to previously mentioned Steve Haney, Valpo now has offers out to two others from the 2013 class: Toby Hegner (6'9" PF) and Jubril Adedkaya (6'6" SF). All are rated two-star recruits by ESPN, three-star ratings by Rivals.
I am hearing that Jubril Adekaya (Adekoya?) has committed to Valpo. I am waiting for an announcement.
Update: Confirmed commitment by Adekoya: http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Jubril-Adekoya-113777 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Jubril-Adekoya-113777)
Adekoya has also tweeted news of his commitment to Valpo.
Valpo Lands Meanstreets Star Jubril Adekoya (http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1976:valpo-lands-meanstreets-star-jubril-adekoya&catid=34:recruiting)
QuoteJubril Adekoya of Andrew High School is a 6'6 forward that is everywhere on the court. He is a high energy player that fills the stat sheet every game he plays. Adekoya constantly shows improvement in his perimeter game, and he is a hard-nose player on both ends of the court. The 2013 prospect is one person that always has a major effect on the game with his all-around skill set and his gritty play.
Source (http://www.rocwithme.com/high-school/going-work-jubril-adekoya-victor-law-malek-harris)
fluff Q&A:
http://southtownstar.suntimes.com/sports/10487843-419/q-and-a-with-jubril-adekoya-andrew-basketball.html (http://southtownstar.suntimes.com/sports/10487843-419/q-and-a-with-jubril-adekoya-andrew-basketball.html)
his twitter page (said he committed Monday, in conv. with friend Jamar Morris)
http://twitter.com/#!/jboogie_23 (http://twitter.com/#!/jboogie_23)
roc-wit-me's take
http://www.rocwithme.com/high-school/going-work-jubril-adekoya-victor-law-malek-harris (http://www.rocwithme.com/high-school/going-work-jubril-adekoya-victor-law-malek-harris)
Quote from: valpopal on June 14, 2012, 11:34:47 PM
I believe Friday, June 15, is the first day coaches can make unlimited direct contact with recruits from the class of 2014. I assume we can expect an increase in activity.
I wonder if Kelvin Sampson is all atwitter over the new NCAA rules on contact and social media? ;)
Quote from: covufan on June 20, 2012, 04:14:55 PM
Quote from: valpopal on June 14, 2012, 11:34:47 PM
I believe Friday, June 15, is the first day coaches can make unlimited direct contact with recruits from the class of 2014. I assume we can expect an increase in activity.
I wonder if Kelvin Sampson is all atwitter over the new NCAA rules on contact and social media? ;)
Just ask him. Text to "ohnoididnt"
What a good get for Coach Drew...I'm guessing a nice get by Coach Powell. The class of 2013 is looking better and better!
In one of the papers this morning the Chicago connection was noted. Apparently not since Jarryd Loyd and Vince Humprey signed with Valpo have we had two Chicago area kids in the same class. No doubt Coach Powell has had a lot to do with this and wonder whether or not he will succeed Bryce when he does leave the program. Coach Gore has more seniority but Powell carries the bigger name and perhaps better connections, at least in Illinois.
In any event, the 2013-2014 team will have four kids from Chicago. I expect that kids like Lexus Williams and now Jabril will have any impact on influencing others to follow. Alex Peters would be the fifth Illinois player and make for a complete five man team coming in. Let's hope so...
Do you have the link, VU72?
I would reach out to Sampson. I hear he's in the mood for textual healing.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on June 21, 2012, 11:28:15 AM
Do you have the link, VU72?
I would reach out to Sampson. I hear he's in the mood for textual healing.
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/crusaders-land-highly-touted-chicago-forward/article_1ca76974-ff4a-5e7c-b89d-efc258642eb9.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/crusaders-land-highly-touted-chicago-forward/article_1ca76974-ff4a-5e7c-b89d-efc258642eb9.html)
Sounds like it was a great thing for us to have Lexus and Nick already verbally committed (with Jabril), since all 3 have known each other for quite some time! If Vashil develops into his body and gets some offense (based on reports from fans on here), it sounds like we should be able to replace some solid production after next season.
Quote from: valpotx on June 21, 2012, 01:11:04 PM
Sounds like it was a great thing for us to have Lexus and Nick already verbally committed (with Jabril), since all 3 have known each other for quite some time! If Vashil develops into his body and gets some offense (based on reports from fans on here), it sounds like we should be able to replace some solid production after next season.
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I'm pretty sure we will be loaded after next year. Besides Vashil and his possibilities, we bring back Bobby and Lavonty and add Alex Rossi and David Chatwick. Jordan Coleman also returns plus this highly regarded class. So in all likelihood the freshman will all be backups and then ready to take over their sophomore year. looks very solid! Even when these guys are sophomores we will still have Chadwick, Rossi and Vashil for another year!
Thanks for the link, vu72! Sorry--I hadn't gotten around to reading Oren yet today (I read the Times & Post nearly every day, even though i've been gone from the region for three years)! Figured it might be a Chicago paper that said that.
Yeah--looking at our eligibility chart, we are going to be good for a long time (long time measured in college sports generations, anyway).
Speaking of our eligibility chart, last week I got an email from Will Phipps, asking to add Coach Powell to the list of editors of the chart--he said they had plenty of charts, but they liked ours! So congrats to the board!
One more thing: Oren calls this "one of the most anticipated freshmen classes in Valparaiso history."
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Do we think that is so? I mean, easily in recent memory perhaps, when recruiting classes are often NOT freshmen, but still...when the dust settles and the ink dries we'll have to weigh these things. :)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on June 21, 2012, 04:23:19 PMOne more thing: Oren calls this "one of the most anticipated freshmen classes in Valparaiso history."
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Do we think that is so? I mean, easily in recent memory perhaps, when recruiting classes are often NOT freshmen, but still...when the dust settles and the ink dries we'll have to weigh these things.
I think it could be, at least since the Kenny Harris Freshman class.
Quote from: covufan on June 21, 2012, 06:06:54 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on June 21, 2012, 04:23:19 PMOne more thing: Oren calls this "one of the most anticipated freshmen classes in Valparaiso history."
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Do we think that is so? I mean, easily in recent memory perhaps, when recruiting classes are often NOT freshmen, but still...when the dust settles and the ink dries we'll have to weigh these things.
I think it could be, at least since the Kenny Harris Freshman class.
I think some people tend to jump the gun when making those kind of proclamations. It's like saying Glenn Robinson winning the NBA title with the Spurs was one of the greatest moments in NWI sports history. I don't think anyone should be able to say or write something like that unless they are at least 50-60 years old.
Quote from: covufan on June 21, 2012, 06:06:54 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on June 21, 2012, 04:23:19 PMOne more thing: Oren calls this "one of the most anticipated freshmen classes in Valparaiso history."
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Do we think that is so? I mean, easily in recent memory perhaps, when recruiting classes are often NOT freshmen, but still...when the dust settles and the ink dries we'll have to weigh these things.
I think it could be, at least since the Kenny Harris Freshman class.
Lets approach this subject from another direction. I think that we can all in general agree that we would like to be a program that could consistantly compete well with the bottom half of the Big Ten and the top half of the A-10. So lets say that Nebraska, Penn State, Northwestern, Dayton, Butler, and Xavier all have 6 seniors going into next season and all so far have verbal commitments from guys named Lexus Williams, Jubril Adekoya, Clay Yeo and Nick Davidson. What is the reaction from their fan bases?
http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/valparaiso-s-anticipated-class-of/article_1704ff6a-bc80-11e1-8d61-0019bb2963f4.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/valparaiso-s-anticipated-class-of/article_1704ff6a-bc80-11e1-8d61-0019bb2963f4.html)
...someone's been reading our mail...if you're still reading this, paul, you might ask the Times why your blog doesn't load unless you click the RSS feed...
For what it is worth: I don't remember seeing here that 6'6" JUCO first-team All-American Karrington Ward (2013) recently tweeted that he has an offer from Valpo. He also has offers from Wichita State, DePaul, Seton Hall, Bradley, Baylor, Florida State, and others.
http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1983:karrington-ward-a-hot-recruiting-target&catid=34:recruiting (http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1983:karrington-ward-a-hot-recruiting-target&catid=34:recruiting)
I just noticed that a story was written on the recruiting power of Coach Powell. Roger's hiring could be the second most important staff hiring next to either Scott Drew or Bryce.
http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1984:powell-emerging-as-a-force-at-valpo&catid=34:recruiting (http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1984:powell-emerging-as-a-force-at-valpo&catid=34:recruiting)
Quote from: bbtds on June 23, 2012, 03:16:07 AM
I just noticed that a story was written on the recruiting power of Coach Powell. Roger's hiring could be the second most important staff hiring next to either Scott Drew or Bryce.
http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1984:powell-emerging-as-a-force-at-valpo&catid=34:recruiting (http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1984:powell-emerging-as-a-force-at-valpo&catid=34:recruiting)
This article reflects very positive compliments I have heard from local coaches about Powell. It is good to see the local talent in Chicago and Northwest Indiana giving Valpo a serious look once again due to Bryce and Powell. This also should be favorable for drawing fans to the ARC.
VU should load up with Coach Powell's connections quickly. I do not see him staying here much longer. He is bigger than VU and my guess is at some point in time down the road, it will be mentioned his first college job was with Valparaiso University.
Great job of tapping into that Chicago market.
lowposter
I agree with you 100%. I kind of thought the Illinois might have given him an interview when they had their vacancy.
Quote from: sectionee on June 24, 2012, 01:10:41 PM
I agree with you 100%. I kind of thought the Illinois might have given him an interview when they had their vacancy.
Are you serious? A Big Ten school hiring a guy who had a total of ONE year coaching experience and that as an assistant? No. My guess is that Bryce will be gone in a couple of years, maybe after next if we go to the dance and win a game or two. My next guess is that Roger will be given the opportunity to be our next Head Coach and that he will hold that position for couple of years or longer depending on how successful he is. Being a good recruiter is one thing but being a Head Coach is quite another.
My guess is Bryce will be gone after one more year and the next head coach will be a current head coach of an NAIA powerhouse who was one of the best point guards in VU's history. Coaching issue will then be solved for years to come. Coach Powell will be a force to be reconned with in the recruiting wars of Illinois and will be a head coach within 7 years, if not sooner.
This is a very special situation this year, the stars are alligned. Enjoy it.
lowposter
Quote from: lowposter on June 25, 2012, 08:20:18 AM
My guess is Bryce will be gone after one more year and the next head coach will be a current head coach of an NAIA powerhouse who was one of the best point guards in VU's history. Coaching issue will then be solved for years to come. Coach Powell will be a force to be reconned with in the recruiting wars of Illinois and will be a head coach within 7 years, if not sooner.
This is a very special situation this year, the stars are alligned. Enjoy it.
lowposter
You may be correct but that outcome doesn't follow what Mark LaBarbera said when Bryce was considering Miss State. He essentially said that Bryce leaving was a foregone conclusion, contract or not, and that a "succession plan" of sorts needed to be/was in place alla Butler's theory. Butler has lost several coaches to bigger programs and the successor has always been an assistant not an outsider.
Let's hope we have a few years with this group of coaches but I am a realist regarding loyalty in today's world.
Quote from: lowposter on June 25, 2012, 08:20:18 AM
My guess is Bryce will be gone after one more year and the next head coach will be a current head coach of an NAIA powerhouse who was one of the best point guards in VU's history. Coaching issue will then be solved for years to come. Coach Powell will be a force to be reconned with in the recruiting wars of Illinois and will be a head coach within 7 years, if not sooner.
This is a very special situation this year, the stars are alligned. Enjoy it.
lowposter
I hope Bryce stays longer, especially with the strong recruiting class coming to VU in 2013. Then, if Bryce eventually leaves, even though our "NAIA coach" would be a fine selection, there are a number of reasons to expect Powell would be the first to be interviewed for the head coaching position: he is a good coach; he is an excellent recruiter; many of the players would be ones Powell recruited; he would represent continuity with Bryce's style of coaching; like Bryce, he has NBA experience, which adds credibility and authority in the eyes of young players; he is a compelling personality; he is a man of faith pleased to be at a religious university; he is from the area and has great connections with the region's high school coaches; he enjoys the University and the Valparaiso community; he is young and energetic; he would be the first African American head basketball coach at Valpo, etc.
You guys are probably right. I wasnt aware of the comment made by the AD.
lowposter
Valpopal - I know this diverges a bit from the topic, but do you really feel that an important factor in hiring athletic coaches or faculty is that they are "people of faith"? If so, who chooses the right faith for coaches and faculty? If someone has a strong jewish, muslim, hindu, buddhist, catholic or liberal protestant faith - are they eligible? And if they are not eligible, is that ethical?
Quote from: vu84v2 on June 25, 2012, 01:13:15 PM
Valpopal - I know this diverges a bit from the topic, but do you really feel that an important factor in hiring athletic coaches or faculty is that they are "people of faith"? If so, who chooses the right faith for coaches and faculty? If someone has a strong jewish, muslim, hindu, buddhist, catholic or liberal protestant faith - are they eligible? And if they are not eligible, is that ethical?
Good question, though not about what I suggested. I was certainly not indicating that one's personal beliefs should be a qualification. I personally know excellent members of the university from the many faiths you list. Please note the brief piece I wrote on this topic: "he is a man of faith pleased to be at a religious university." I was only pointing out that as a person of faith Powell feels comfortable at a religious institution like Valparaiso, nothing more, and I think it is important that the candidate enjoy being at Valpo.
From today's Indianapolis Star.....
Mooresville forward Jacob Johnson has visits lined up to Valparaiso (Monday), Butler (Tuesday) and Indiana State (Wednesday).
Plymouth 6-8 junior Mack Mercer picked up offers from Ball State and Indiana State.
Michigan City Marquette sophomore Ryan Fazekas will visit Illinois on Wednesday.
Richmond sophomore guard Joel Okafor picked up an offer from Wright State
Warren Central 2012 grad Brent Calhoun has reopened his recruitment (or had it reopened for him by Detroit). The 6-8 Calhoun took an official visit to Niagara over the weekend and will likely visit Winthrop this week as well.
I would imagine this is Roger Powell's last season at Valpo. He already has too many recruiting victories not to be picked up by a power-conference school who sees all of his plusses.
I have to agree with that assertion. With some of the wins he has on the recruiting side, a larger will school will definitely bring him into the fold as an AC. I don't see him as a viable option as a Valpo HC in the future, as he will be given that opportunity somewhere else first.
valpopal - thank you for the very thoughtful answer. Your points are well take and I agree that Valparaiso is a very good environment.
I think we all kinda knew what ValpoPal meant by a man of faith. In my brain I immediately went to a secular version: Quality? -- I can't always describe it, but I know it when I see it. Powell impresses me in the same way. Great dialogue though.
In thinking about it, it seems that having a "coaching succession" plan makes a lot of sense. I think that you always worry about the impact on new recruits as well as the reputation that your program is just a stepping stone. But when you think about it, all programs other than the very upper echelon (Duke, NC, Michigan State, Kansas, etc.) all face this to some extent. Businesses face the same challenges with top management - you need to have a plan to develop and/or bring in good leaders in case your leader retires, takes on a different challenge, etc. Kansas faced this with Danny Manning leaving for the Tulsa head coaching job (I don't mean to be excessively Kansas-centric). He was credited with developing the best big man development program in the country with Robinson, the Morris twins, Cole Aldrich, etc. all being great examples of developing successful big men. They just had to have a succession plan to replace Manning (my guess is that Powell is probably the Valpo version of Danny Manning as a coach at Kansas).
As far as head coaches, my guess is that many tell recruits that they will be there during the player's four years at the school - even if they have potential ideas to go elsewhere. I would also guess that highly ethical people like Bryce are more honest (but general) and communicate the strength of the program and the university's commitment to continuity of a quality program. Again, I don't know Bryce - this is just my opinion based on the previous highly ethical practices of him and his father.
Coaching succession is a great idea--but I do have to poke a couple of holes in your "upper echelon" argument. Every 3 or 4 years MSU has to deal with an Izzo-to-the-NBA situation--as did Duke with Krzyzewski--and dare I remind the Kansas fan that a certain coach left them to go to another "upper echelon school"? ;)
Don't forget that many of today's current recruiting issues are more "parental pressure" because the parent only looks at the money, rather than the reality of what their student-athlete is as a player. Some live too vicariously because they weren't as good, or didn't have the same drive their kid does, so rather than just being real about what the kid can be, they want to be the kid and hope for always being on tv and the starter that gets all the talk, when the kid needs time to develop into the player he will become. Men's basketball is one of the worst culprits of this philosophy because of the money involved with AAU teams, television contracts and exposure on ESPN/CBS, and how the sport is so high profile with all the potential prospects and overhype. We're sorta seeing this with the news about Jared Sullinger's back and how his dad is handling the discussion with the media and NBA scouts with the draft coming up, and now Sullinger might not be as highly drafted as previously expected.
Quote from: valporun on June 26, 2012, 10:30:13 AMWe're sorta seeing this with the news about Jared Sullinger's back and how his dad is handling the discussion with the media and NBA scouts with the draft coming up, and now Sullinger might not be as highly drafted as previously expected.
While I agree with your general premise, I don't feel your example could be more wrong. Satch Sullinger, from everything I've seen and read, has been an ideal sports dad--and I'm a Michigan Man, fergodsakes.
LaPorte - You are absolutely right that the upper echelon programs have to deal with possible succession, though I believe it is less of an impact since there are fewer places to go. Your point on Williams leaving is correct, and Kansas always has to have some minimal concern about T Boone Pickens enabling a "blank check" for Okla St. to hire away Self. The good news is that Self seems to really like it here and now his son is walking on to play at KU.
And for clarity...while I am a Kansas fan now, my first loyalty is to Valparaiso.
I agree with you--and while I am a Michigan Man, my first loyalty will be to Valpo, for various reasons.
This was brought home to me rather forcefully when I realized VU could play UM in the softball regional...thankfully it didn't come down to that.
I will never forget going to Crisler Arena when I was at UM to cheer on Jeannette Gray and the Lady Crusaders in the WNIT...after standing with about a dozen other VU fans and cheering us to victory, I said to the guys next to me--"you know what the best part is?" and showed them my UM ID card :)
Your comment about the women's team is similar to my experience going to the men's tourney game at Washington. I counted 5 people (including me) supporting Valpo.
Quote from: valpopal on February 20, 2012, 12:28:23 PM
Quote from: MattCarter on February 19, 2012, 11:14:49 PM
ESPN lists two players listed as considering for 2013 (to go along with Yeo and Davidson)
Robert Knar. A point guard. 2 star, 80 grade. http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/137819/robert-knar (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/137819/robert-knar)
Steve Haney. 6'6" forward. 3 start, 90 grade. http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/104906/steve-haney (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/104906/steve-haney)
Here is an old thread about Haney, who would be great to get but is most likely a long shot:
http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=222.msg3277#msg3277 (http://www.valpofanzone.com/forum/index.php?topic=222.msg3277#msg3277)
Word is that Steve Haney has committed to UCF.
Peters would be the "capstone" for the class of '13. He is getting interest all over the place!
http://www.chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2064:sizzling-alec-peters-visits-a-pair-of-schools&catid=34:recruiting (http://www.chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2064:sizzling-alec-peters-visits-a-pair-of-schools&catid=34:recruiting)
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Quote from: valpo64 on May 17, 2012, 05:53:58 PM
this topic is getting a long way away from "recruiting" as I understand recruiting...facilities are one thing but I think of recruiting as info regarding signees or potential ones
Getting back to "recruiting": word is that Mack Mercer 6'8" from Plymouth HS (2014) will visit Valpo June 6.
Any word on how Mercer's visit went?
Mercer reports receiving three offers thus far. I believe they are Indiana State, Ball State, and Kent State. No word on an offer from VU yet.
Quote from: vu72 on July 05, 2012, 09:55:36 PM
Peters would be the "capstone" for the class of '13. He is getting interest all over the place!
http://www.chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2064:sizzling-alec-peters-visits-a-pair-of-schools&catid=34:recruiting (http://www.chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2064:sizzling-alec-peters-visits-a-pair-of-schools&catid=34:recruiting)
Peters just received three more offers: Rice, St. Louis, and Boston College. Would love to see him at Valpo!
http://www.rocwithme.com/alec/alec-peters-gets-three-offers-start-july-period (http://www.rocwithme.com/alec/alec-peters-gets-three-offers-start-july-period)
Quote from: valpopal on July 16, 2012, 06:38:09 PM
Mercer reports receiving three offers thus far. I believe they are Indiana State, Ball State, and Kent State.
Well, at least Mercer would be
STATING the obvious if he said he was going to
STATE.
Any thoughts of getting Andrew Dakich, a coach-ready-to-be, who might run the offense in the years 2013 to 2017?
And then who knows if he might be the Valpo coach of the future. He's not really a Region guy with growing up in Bowling Green, OH and Zionsville (north Indy area). I don't think Dan, his father, would be too unhappy if Andrew played at Valpo.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20120718/SPORTS/207190328/As-son-former-coach-Andrew-Dakich-shows-he-student-basketball?odyssey=tab (http://www.indystar.com/article/20120718/SPORTS/207190328/As-son-former-coach-Andrew-Dakich-shows-he-student-basketball?odyssey=tab)|topnews|text|IndyStar.com
Quote from: bbtds on July 19, 2012, 01:10:00 AM
Any thoughts of getting Andrew Dakich, a coach-ready-to-be, who might run the offense in the years 2013 to 2017?
And then who knows if he might be the Valpo coach of the future. He's not really a Region guy with growing up in Bowling Green, OH and Zionsville (north Indy area). I don't think Dan, his father, would be too unhappy if Andrew played at Valpo.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20120718/SPORTS/207190328/As-son-former-coach-Andrew-Dakich-shows-he-student-basketball?odyssey=tab (http://www.indystar.com/article/20120718/SPORTS/207190328/As-son-former-coach-Andrew-Dakich-shows-he-student-basketball?odyssey=tab)|topnews|text|IndyStar.com
In 1988 when Smith left Valpo, I thought that Valpo should hire Dan Dakich - he was young, hungry, knew the region, and was well respected. Having known of Homer Drew's Bethel teams, I was still pleasantly pleased. After a few rough years, it really worked out for Valpo and Homer. Dakich was too young, but may have been ready to learn how to be a head coach, ala Dane Fife.
Quote from: bbtds on July 19, 2012, 01:10:00 AM
Any thoughts of getting Andrew Dakich, a coach-ready-to-be, who might run the offense in the years 2013 to 2017?
And then who knows if he might be the Valpo coach of the future. He's not really a Region guy with growing up in Bowling Green, OH and Zionsville (north Indy area). I don't think Dan, his father, would be too unhappy if Andrew played at Valpo.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20120718/SPORTS/207190328/As-son-former-coach-Andrew-Dakich-shows-he-student-basketball?odyssey=tab (http://www.indystar.com/article/20120718/SPORTS/207190328/As-son-former-coach-Andrew-Dakich-shows-he-student-basketball?odyssey=tab)|topnews|text|IndyStar.com
Has Zionsville had any point guards that had any success?
Has Zionsville had any point guards that had any success?
Does the name Brad Stevens ring any bells?
http://www.thedepauw.com/brad-stevens-from-player-to-coach-1.2137227#.UAhO_2FfHLI (http://www.thedepauw.com/brad-stevens-from-player-to-coach-1.2137227#.UAhO_2FfHLI)
BF(DePauw MBB coach): He (Stevens) developed into a really good leader. He had to make a lot of adjustments because he was a guy who let you know he's been really big scorer in high school, and that part of his game didn't really translate as well to the college game.
He was the guy who really helped us develop the more talented young players his senior year. He was a great leader and great captain for our group. He really was helpful - just kind of spring board. That group with those freshmen when he was a senior was the group that ended up about three possessions away form the Final Four and ranked as high as No. 2 and finished the season ranked No. 4 in the country. It was as good of a team I've ever had in my time here and it started Brad's senior year.
And a side note on Stevens: BF: Our big thing now is texting. He's a big social media, email and texting kind of guy. We exchanged messages Tuesday so we're in pretty good communication. When it gets down to NCAA tournament time, time is really a premium for those guys so the last thing I'm going to be doing is calling up and bugging him especially this time of year.
I'm thinking of Andrew Dakich as a future coach and a coach on the floor.
P.S. You can hear Dan Dakich everyday on WNFI (ESPN radio) on the internet at http://www.1070thefan.com/listen/ (http://www.1070thefan.com/listen/)
Greg Rakestraw (former IUPUI pbp announcer & UIndy grad) is sitting in for Dan today.
Quote from: bbtds on July 19, 2012, 01:23:23 PM
Has Zionsville had any point guards that had any success?
Does the name Brad Stevens ring any bells?
http://www.thedepauw.com/brad-stevens-from-player-to-coach-1.2137227#.UAhO_2FfHLI (http://www.thedepauw.com/brad-stevens-from-player-to-coach-1.2137227#.UAhO_2FfHLI)
BF(DePauw MBB coach): He (Stevens) developed into a really good leader. He had to make a lot of adjustments because he was a guy who let you know he's been really big scorer in high school, and that part of his game didn't really translate as well to the college game.
He was the guy who really helped us develop the more talented young players his senior year. He was a great leader and great captain for our group. He really was helpful - just kind of spring board. That group with those freshmen when he was a senior was the group that ended up about three possessions away form the Final Four and ranked as high as No. 2 and finished the season ranked No. 4 in the country. It was as good of a team I've ever had in my time here and it started Brad's senior year.
And a side note on Stevens: BF: Our big thing now is texting. He's a big social media, email and texting kind of guy. We exchanged messages Tuesday so we're in pretty good communication. When it gets down to NCAA tournament time, time is really a premium for those guys so the last thing I'm going to be doing is calling up and bugging him especially this time of year.
I'm thinking of Andrew Dakich as a future coach and a coach on the floor.
That is exactly who I was thinking of!
Quote from: covufan on July 19, 2012, 01:09:04 PMHas Zionsville had any point guards that had any success?
Here's one that's pretty good ... http://www.elonphoenix.com/news/2012/3/13/MBB_0313124231.aspx?path=mbball (http://www.elonphoenix.com/news/2012/3/13/MBB_0313124231.aspx?path=mbball) Lot of schools in Indiana must be wondering how they let him get away.
Quote from: zvillehaze on July 19, 2012, 03:13:58 PM
Quote from: covufan on July 19, 2012, 01:09:04 PMHas Zionsville had any point guards that had any success?
Here's one that's pretty good ... http://www.elonphoenix.com/news/2012/3/13/MBB_0313124231.aspx?path=mbball (http://www.elonphoenix.com/news/2012/3/13/MBB_0313124231.aspx?path=mbball) Lot of schools in Indiana must be wondering how they let him get away.
Isenbarger. Has to be related to a name I remember from IU football, right?
Quote from: covufan on July 20, 2012, 04:23:20 PM
Isenbarger. Has to be related to a name I remember from IU football, right?
Be careful ... you're showing your age! ;D His uncle John was on IU's last Rose Bowl team in '68. Dad Phil was on IU's '81 National Championship basketball team. Jack's a good player and better kid ... glad to see him doing so well.
Quote from: zvillehaze on July 20, 2012, 08:06:44 PMBe careful ... you're showing your age! His uncle John was on IU's last Rose Bowl team in '68. Dad Phil was on IU's '81 National Championship basketball team
I was going to bring that age thing up but am glad that Z-ville did it instead. So there was a John who and he played what? :
For many many years I was a casual IU football fan but a hard core IU basketball fan, but my memories of John are still far clearer than of Jacks father Phil. I think I was late to the 81 bandwagon by righting them off too early. Very gradually over many decades I've completely forgotten where Bloomington Ind. is located. So do they still play basketball down there?; and is Lou Watson still coaching?
Quote from: justducky on July 20, 2012, 10:24:38 PM
Quote from: zvillehaze on July 20, 2012, 08:06:44 PMBe careful ... you're showing your age! His uncle John was on IU's last Rose Bowl team in '68. Dad Phil was on IU's '81 National Championship basketball team
I was going to bring that age thing up but am glad that Z-ville did it instead. So there was a John who and he played what? :
For many many years I was a casual IU football fan but a hard core IU basketball fan, but my memories of John are still far clearer than of Jacks father Phil. I think I was late to the 81 bandwagon by righting them off too early. Very gradually over many decades I've completely forgotten where Bloomington Ind. is located. So do they still play basketball down there?; and is Lou Watson still coaching?
Yep, just north of Smithville and Lake Monroe and fighting I-69 (the building of the extention from Indy to Evansville) till the day they die.
They've had a few coaches since Lou and some man named Creen thinks they still play basketball if you call it that. ;)
As of 12:54 p.m. CDT Marist is playing Bogan, tape, on CN100 (channel 4 on Comcast) with Valpo recruit Lexus Williams #15 playing for the red shirted Marist.
Quote from: historyman on July 21, 2012, 12:56:34 PM
As of 12:54 p.m. CDT Marist is playing Bogan, tape, on CN100 (channel 4 on Comcast) with Valpo recruit Lexus Williams #15 playing for the red shirted Marist.
Will also be replayed at 4 p.m. CDT for those who missed it.
It was one heck of an exciting finish, and I'm sure it's the reason they show it so often, and well worth viewing at 4:00 p.m.
Although the Valpo recruit, Lexus Williams, does make some very recognizable errors, his enthusiasm and leadership are well exhibited in this sectional game against Bogan.
Reminder: An Illinois sectional is the equivalent of an Indiana regional.
http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2128:alec-peters-gives-latest-on-his-recruiting&catid=34:recruiting (http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2128:alec-peters-gives-latest-on-his-recruiting&catid=34:recruiting)
Per Alec Peters, Washington, IL HS:
"A lot of schools showing interest right now are Butler, Clemson, Oklahoma, Iowa State, and a lot of Big 12, Pac 12, and ACC schools. It is going real good right now. Hopefully by the end of the month we will have a nice list so we can sit down and plan visits."
Any schools standing out right now?
"Definitely interested in Illinois State, Butler, Valparaiso, Green Bay, and Boston College."
"Somewhere I can go and play right away and make an immediate impact. Somewhere I don't want to be recruited over. A place with good academics, which it is hard to find a school that doesn't have good academics. Some place I can fit in good and have a good relationship with the coaching staff."
"I would really like to make a decision before my high school season whether it is at the end of August or in November. I would like to sign early."
Valpo sounds like a really good fit for Alec.
Unless I'm confusing him with someone else, I recall reading somewhere that he also wants to go where his family can watch him play in person as much as possible - another advantage Valpo.
intriguing that we're somehow standing out amongst the likes of clemson, oklahoma, iowa state, and numerous other big 12/pac 12/acc schools. he must've had one hell of a visit when he came to campus.
I'm not sure it's that surprising, nerd...the one high major he mentions is the only high major that has given him an offer (according to reports). A lot of times recruits will list schools who are showing interest who may never intend to offer a scholarship.
Rivals reports that St Louis has also extended an offer to Alec Peters.
wh...I was the one who talked about Alec Peters when he and his Dad visited the campus..They sat next to us at the game. They said he would like to be close so family could watch him, mentioned that academics were important but he especially liked our young coaching staff and the closeness of the entire staff. Alec said he really liked Bryce and that he had the impression that the staff enjoyed being at VU and thought it was a stable staff...he felt the coaches would all be there while he was in school. He and his Dad were very impressive and he sure would be as great catch if he comes with us. I would think we have a great shot in getting him.
Quote from: valpo64 on July 24, 2012, 08:23:14 PM
wh...I was the one who talked about Alec Peters when he and his Dad visited the campus..They sat next to us at the game. They said he would like to be close so family could watch him, mentioned that academics were important but he especially liked our young coaching staff and the closeness of the entire staff. Alec said he really liked Bryce and that he had the impression that the staff enjoyed being at VU and thought it was a stable staff...he felt the coaches would all be there while he was in school. He and his Dad were very impressive and he sure would be as great catch if he comes with us. I would think we have a great shot in getting him.
Ah, that's it exactly. Thanks for jogging my memory. Let's keep our fingers crossed.
Here is a very good video interview with Peters about his decision. Peters would be a perfect fit for VU, and I think he would be the crucial piece to succeed Rowdy and assure at least a couple of Valpo visits to the NCAA tournament during his tenure at VU:
http://www.cinewsnow.com/sports/Washingtons-Alec-Peters-on-Recruiting-163485226.html (http://www.cinewsnow.com/sports/Washingtons-Alec-Peters-on-Recruiting-163485226.html)
Another recruit who was at some point offered by Valpo per Scott Burgess at ChicagoHoops.com on 7-24-12.
http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2130:lance-whitaker-talks-uic-bu-offers&catid=34:recruiting (http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2130:lance-whitaker-talks-uic-bu-offers&catid=34:recruiting)
Lance Whitaker Talks UIC, BU Offers
Written by Scott Burgess
Tuesday, 24 July 2012 05:48
The heart and soul of a talented Illinois Wolves 17U squad is Bartlett High School guard Lance Whitaker. The rising senior had a huge weekend at the NY2LA Sports Under Armour Summer Jam. He played lockdown defense throughout the weekend and shot the ball well from the perimeter.
After his big weekend Whitaker picked up an offer from UIC on Monday morning.
"I've been in contact with them over the last few weeks. They came and watched the tournament this past weekend and they basically just gave me a call this morning and let me know they wanted to offer me."
On Monday night he would pick up another one courtesy of Boston University after speaking with their head coach.
"My dad was talking to him and he said he wanted to talk to me. So we talked for about 10 minutes and he just told me he wanted to offer me."
Whitaker is an honor student that sports a 28 ACT score. The guard says he also holds offers from Valparaiso and SIU-Edwardsville.
"I am still in contact with Valpo and SIU-Edwardsville. I have been talking to Eastern Kentucky, Northern Illinois, and Siena."
He spoke about getting his game all the way back to the high level he is playing at after coming off an ACL injury.
"I feel like I have improved a lot with my knee. I am feeling stronger than ever. I have been working on getting my game back to normal."
knee injury...yikes. unless his name is Robbie Hummel, I'm staying away! :o
Quote from: valpopal on July 25, 2012, 10:36:31 AM
Here is a very good video interview with Peters about his decision. Peters would be a perfect fit for VU, and I think he would be the crucial piece to succeed Rowdy and assure at least a couple of Valpo visits to the NCAA tournament during his tenure at VU:
http://www.cinewsnow.com/sports/Washingtons-Alec-Peters-on-Recruiting-163485226.html (http://www.cinewsnow.com/sports/Washingtons-Alec-Peters-on-Recruiting-163485226.html)
The interview of Alec Peters is from a Peoria TV station so that is why they talk about Illinois State as much as they do. This TV station also reaches Bloomington/Normal.
Quote from: zvillehaze on July 20, 2012, 08:06:44 PM
Quote from: covufan on July 20, 2012, 04:23:20 PM
Isenbarger. Has to be related to a name I remember from IU football, right?
Be careful ... you're showing your age! ;D His uncle John was on IU's last Rose Bowl team in '68. Dad Phil was on IU's '81 National Championship basketball team. Jack's a good player and better kid ... glad to see him doing so well.
Not really. As a high school student I went to a few IU games, and was reading the records. Isenbarger was all over the rushing records, at least until AT. Forgot about the '81 team and his father. If Jack were 6'8", I'm sure his recruiting would have been different!
Quote from: covufan on July 26, 2012, 01:21:17 PMBe careful ... you're showing your age
You would be showing your age if you recalled the "punt John punt, punt John punt" chant.
Quote from: VU75 on July 26, 2012, 05:09:21 PM
Quote from: covufan on July 26, 2012, 01:21:17 PMBe careful ... you're showing your age
You would be showing your age if you recalled the "punt John punt, punt John punt" chant.
I don't remember the chant or even hearing about it. I take it the offense was Isenbarger left, Isenbarger right, Isenbarger up the middle, then punt. The fans wanted Isenbarger to punt as well.
Quote from: covufan on July 30, 2012, 03:15:56 PM
Quote from: VU75 on July 26, 2012, 05:09:21 PM
Quote from: covufan on July 26, 2012, 01:21:17 PMBe careful ... you're showing your age
You would be showing your age if you recalled the "punt John punt, punt John punt" chant.
I don't remember the chant or even hearing about it. I take it the offense was Isenbarger left, Isenbarger right, Isenbarger up the middle, then punt. The fans wanted Isenbarger to punt as well.
I know John, but I'm a little too young to remember him at IU. I'd never heard about the chant, but here's the story behind it. (Sorry for getting off topic, but it's the summer!)
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1080545/1/index.htm (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1080545/1/index.htm)
I'll be honest, Haze, I initially thought that was the most irrelevant link posted in a recruiting topic, but it was the funniest thing I've read in a while. Thanks for that.
Quote from: VU75 on July 26, 2012, 05:09:21 PMYou would be showing your age if you recalled the "punt John punt, punt John punt" chant.
Since we are way off topic I wonder if VU75 can remember an Isenbarger quick-kick which was probably a call from the bench but buried maybe Purdue? in a big hole? One of you old timers must have told me about it, otherwise I would have no recollection of the event. If memory serves me correctly I think John might have played maybe 5 years with the 49ers and may have done a little punting there also.
If you guys get tired of talking IU football we could always switch to swimming or gymnastics because I don't think anybody is going to refocus on VU basketball until after the closing ceremonies. ::)
what does this have to do with Valpo b-ball recruiting??
Quote from: valpo64 on July 31, 2012, 07:18:03 PM
what does this have to do with Valpo b-ball recruiting??
Not a thing ... my apologies for wandering off track.
On the recruiting front, Alec Peters (Valpo offer) received an offer from Butler today.
6'3 2013 PG/SG A.J. Riley reports he is transferring from Peoria Manual HS in Illinois to attend La Lumiere Prep in LaPorte, Indiana. Riley is a Rivals 3-star player who has received a number of offers already, including one from Creighton, and who I know has been under consideration by Valpo. Perhaps the near proximity to Valpo and strengthened academics at La Lumiere will convince Riley and the Valpo coaches that he will be a better fit at VU.
Apparently, he will be joining Jalen James at La Lumiere, who is a 6'2 2013 3-star PG with offers from places like Illinois, to create an all-star back court.
I'm in Valpo vacationing and seeing a friend.
I saw Vashil Fernandez at the ARC working with some kids at a basketball camp (along with other VU players including Rowdy). His footwork looks much improved but his outside shot still needs lots of improvement. Although I do realize that most only expect him to rebound, block shots and make occasional put backs, it would be nice if he could hit the jumper.
Not to many 6'10" guys have an outside jumper besides Kevin Love and KG.
Quote from: mrvalpo on August 04, 2012, 07:31:54 AM
I'm in Valpo vacationing and seeing a friend.
I saw Vashil Fernandez at the ARC working with some kids at a basketball camp (along with other VU players including Rowdy). His footwork looks much improved but his outside shot still needs lots of improvement. Although I do realize that most only expect him to rebound, block shots and make occasional put backs, it would be nice if he could hit the jumper.
I was at the VU camp this past week and Ryan Fazekas from Michigan City Marquette who is a 6'6 sophomore was at the ARC talking to Diebler, Gore, and Drew. Fazekas is a very good player who has more good things ahead of him at MCM. Fazekas also confirmed he is staying at MCM, and not returning to Chesterton, which had been spread through some rumors. Fazekas has only one offer so far and that is from VU.
Quote from: sectionee on August 04, 2012, 09:45:51 AM
Not to many 6'10" guys have an outside jumper besides Kevin Love and KG.
must be a kevin thing. durant can do it too.
Quote from: valpo64 on July 31, 2012, 07:18:03 PM
what does this have to do with Valpo b-ball recruiting??
One of the recruits is named Isenbarger, whose father played IU basketball and uncle played IU football.
2013 potential recruit Alec Peters continues to build an impressive list of offers:
COLLEGE CHOICES
School Interest Offer Visit Recruited by
Albany Medium Offered None
Boston Coll. Medium Offered None
Butler Medium Offered None
Drake Medium Offered None
Green Bay Medium Offered None
Illinois St. Medium Offered None
IPFW Medium Offered None
Loyola Chicago Medium Offered None
Wis. Milwaukee Medium Offered None
Rice Medium Offered None
Saint Louis Medium Offered None
San Diego St. Medium Offered None
Southern Ill. Medium Offered None
Ill. Chicago Medium Offered None
Valparaiso Medium Offered None
W. Michigan Medium Offered None
I also read that Washington State offered him a couple of days ago. As several posters have noted, he would make an excellent addition to an already very strong Crusader recruiting class.
According to the NWI Times, VU recruit Nick Davidson's former Andrean teammate, center Josh James (6'9", 220 lbs), has decided to spend a year at prep school rather than attend St. Joseph's and has re-opened his recruiting for 2013:
"Former Andrean basketball standout and Times All-Area selection Josh James has reclassified and will not be attending St. Joseph's College to play basketball. The 6-foot-9 James is attending Quakerdale Prep School in New Providence, Iowa, and will now be considered a member of the class of 2013. He has re-opened recruiting immediately."
James was a 3.8 gpa student at Andrean, so he apparently is going to the prep school to work on preparing his game for a division I program rather than because of his grades. He was averaging more than 14 points and 8 rebounds per game alongside Davidson at Andrean. Perhaps a year of refinement and strengthening would make him someone to consider joining Davidson again for VU.
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/maturity-faith-family-help-andrean-s-josh-james-endure/article_9e6ccbd5-d113-5c1f-ba56-7b3a8cbf817f.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/maturity-faith-family-help-andrean-s-josh-james-endure/article_9e6ccbd5-d113-5c1f-ba56-7b3a8cbf817f.html)
Peters visiting BC:
Boston College Basketball: Wing Alec Peters Visiting Campus This Weekend
by Brian Favat on Aug 19, 2012 3:56 PM EDT in Boston College Basketball
Alec Peters, a 6-foot-7 power forward from Washington, Illinois, is on campus this weekend for his official visit. The wing plays for Washington High School (IL) and the Peoria Irish AAU team. Peters claims offers from over a dozen programs, including Butler, Loyola Chicago, Wisconsin-Milwaukee, Rice, Saint Louis, San Diego State, Southern Illinois, Illinois-Chicago and Valparaiso.
The Chicago Sun-Times ranks Peters as the #10 local prospect in the Class of 2013.
Plain and simple, he's the best shooter in Illinois. Yes, he's limited athletically. But when you're 6-7, fundamentally sound with a good I.Q., crafty and can shoot the ball the way he does, you're a wanted man. He plays the game right and is a must-get recruit for any mid-major plus type program involved with him.
Donahue and the Eagles don't have anyone signed to the Class of 2013 just yet, but do have offers out to seven non-committed players -- Peters among them. The other non-committed players on BC's radar include SF Wayne Selden (Boston, MA), C Kennedy Meeks (Charlotte, NC), SG Sindarius Thornwell (Lancaster, SC), SF B.J. Johnson (Ardmore, PA), SG Sam Singer (Miami, FL) and PF Samuel Dingba (Salisbury, CT).
Barring any roster attrition, Boston College has 1-2 scholarship roster spots available for the 2013 recruiting class.
Per the Indy Star...
Butler, Peters move on
Written by David Woods
It doesn't appear that Alec Peters, a 6-foot-8 wing from Washington, Ill., will become a Butler basketball player.
Peters' high school coach, Kevin Brown, said in an e-mail that Butler's offer "had some strings attached with it due to them needing 2013 scholarships for other positions." Translated, that means coach Brad Stevens is targeting guards now that two post players, Nolan Berry and Andrew Chrabascz, have committed to the Bulldogs.
Butler almost always has a surplus of guards, so it's possible the Peters situation could be revisited. For now, Butler is seemingly looking at the 2013 guards mentioned previously –5-foot-8 point Tahj Shamsid-Deen, Decatur, Ga.; 6-foot-1 Kyle Davis, Chicago, and 6-foot-2 Jaylon Tate, Chicago.
Peters played for the Peoria Irish summer team. He originally had mostly mid-major offers but is now attracting attention from high majors. A Chicago blogger labeled him "the best pure shooter" in Illinois' 2013 class. He comes from the same high school as former Indiana University 3-point specialist Matt Roth.
Peters visited Boston College last weekend and has visits scheduled to Valparaiso, St. Louis and Illinois State. His high school coach said Peters turned down offers from Air Force, Utah and Washington State and has picked up interest from Tennessee and Missouri.
Of Peters, coach Brown wrote:
"Coach stevens was very honest with us and we all have a tremendous amout of respect for him. He is an incredible coach and person. At this time as much as he likes coach stevens and butler he is looking at his other options with immediate scholarships. I do not want to go into exact details with scholarship."
I understand Peters is scheduled to officially visit VU again on the weekend of Sept. 15. He would be a perfect fit at Valpo.
Quote from: IndyValpo on August 23, 2012, 12:12:26 PM
Per the Indy Star...
Butler, Peters move on
Written by David Woods
It doesn't appear that Alec Peters, a 6-foot-8 wing from Washington, Ill., will become a Butler basketball player.
Peters' high school coach, Kevin Brown, said in an e-mail that Butler's offer "had some strings attached with it due to them needing 2013 scholarships for other positions." Translated, that means coach Brad Stevens is targeting guards now that two post players, Nolan Berry and Andrew Chrabascz, have committed to the Bulldogs.
Butler almost always has a surplus of guards, so it's possible the Peters situation could be revisited. For now, Butler is seemingly looking at the 2013 guards mentioned previously –5-foot-8 point Tahj Shamsid-Deen, Decatur, Ga.; 6-foot-1 Kyle Davis, Chicago, and 6-foot-2 Jaylon Tate, Chicago.
Peters played for the Peoria Irish summer team. He originally had mostly mid-major offers but is now attracting attention from high majors. A Chicago blogger labeled him "the best pure shooter" in Illinois' 2013 class. He comes from the same high school as former Indiana University 3-point specialist Matt Roth.
Peters visited Boston College last weekend and has visits scheduled to Valparaiso, St. Louis and Illinois State. His high school coach said Peters turned down offers from Air Force, Utah and Washington State and has picked up interest from Tennessee and Missouri.
Of Peters, coach Brown wrote:
"Coach stevens was very honest with us and we all have a tremendous amout of respect for him. He is an incredible coach and person. At this time as much as he likes coach stevens and butler he is looking at his other options with immediate scholarships. I do not want to go into exact details with scholarship."
This article tells "the rest of the story" but not the full story. When Peters was offered at the end of July there were 2 scholarships available. They were looking for one front court player and one back court. Had Peters accepted then (which he didn't), he would be a Bulldog right now. Instead, 4 days later another similar type player from RI accepted, which left Peters out in the cold. Happens all the time- first come, first serve.
I point this out because the article makes it sound like they made him some sort of conditional offer, which they did not.
Quote from: wh on August 24, 2012, 01:39:45 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on August 23, 2012, 12:12:26 PM
Per the Indy Star...
Butler, Peters move on
Written by David Woods
It doesn't appear that Alec Peters, a 6-foot-8 wing from Washington, Ill., will become a Butler basketball player.
Peters' high school coach, Kevin Brown, said in an e-mail that Butler's offer "had some strings attached with it due to them needing 2013 scholarships for other positions." Translated, that means coach Brad Stevens is targeting guards now that two post players, Nolan Berry and Andrew Chrabascz, have committed to the Bulldogs.
Butler almost always has a surplus of guards, so it's possible the Peters situation could be revisited. For now, Butler is seemingly looking at the 2013 guards mentioned previously –5-foot-8 point Tahj Shamsid-Deen, Decatur, Ga.; 6-foot-1 Kyle Davis, Chicago, and 6-foot-2 Jaylon Tate, Chicago.
Peters played for the Peoria Irish summer team. He originally had mostly mid-major offers but is now attracting attention from high majors. A Chicago blogger labeled him "the best pure shooter" in Illinois' 2013 class. He comes from the same high school as former Indiana University 3-point specialist Matt Roth.
Peters visited Boston College last weekend and has visits scheduled to Valparaiso, St. Louis and Illinois State. His high school coach said Peters turned down offers from Air Force, Utah and Washington State and has picked up interest from Tennessee and Missouri.
Of Peters, coach Brown wrote:
"Coach stevens was very honest with us and we all have a tremendous amout of respect for him. He is an incredible coach and person. At this time as much as he likes coach stevens and butler he is looking at his other options with immediate scholarships. I do not want to go into exact details with scholarship."
This article tells "the rest of the story" but not the full story. When Peters was offered at the end of July there were 2 scholarships available. They were looking for one front court player and one back court. Had Peters accepted then (which he didn't), he would be a Bulldog right now. Instead, 4 days later another similar type player from RI accepted, which left Peters out in the cold. Happens all the time- first come, first serve.
I point this out because the article makes it sound like they made him some sort of conditional offer, which they did not.
Agree with wh ... kids know that offers may go away if other players accept first.
As for Peters, I've heard very good things about him and think he'd be a really nice player at Valpo. I thought he would've been a good fit at Butler, but they just ran out of scholarships. In one of his earlier interviews, he mentioned that he wanted to have a chance to play right away. With Valpo graduating Broekhoff, KVW and others, there should be an opportunity to sell him on the chance for immediate playing time. Good luck.
Is it just me, or does it seem that Butler is really expanding their recruiting to a national level? Granted they played in 2 NCAA championship games and that does open the doors to national recruiting, but Butler always had a ton of Indiana players on their team.
Perhaps the move to a tougher conference is opening the doors for that level of player, but there sure wasnt anything wrong with the players they recruited.
Best of luck to them and if they are expanding their recruiting to more of a national level, this should open the door to more quality Indiana and Illinois players to VU and others. Example is Alec Peters.
lowposter
Quote from: lowposter on August 25, 2012, 05:47:46 AM
Is it just me, or does it seem that Butler is really expanding their recruiting to a national level? Granted they played in 2 NCAA championship games and that does open the doors to national recruiting, but Butler always had a ton of Indiana players on their team.
Perhaps the move to a tougher conference is opening the doors for that level of player, but there sure wasnt anything wrong with the players they recruited.
Best of luck to them and if they are expanding their recruiting to more of a national level, this should open the door to more quality Indiana and Illinois players to VU and others. Example is Alec Peters.
lowposter
They had a Florida kid on their roster now for a couple of years, but I understand your point. Valpo certainly has recruited much further away than Butler with our international history, although Butler now has a kid from Australia as well, just not at the level of Rowdy.
I think the "breakthrough" recruiting wise may belong to Valpo in that we seem to now be able to attract kids locally or from Chicago which we have failed at previously.
Quote from: lowposter on Today at 05:47:46 AM
Is it just me, or does it seem that Butler is really expanding their recruiting to a national level? Granted they played in 2 NCAA championship games and that does open the doors to national recruiting, but Butler always had a ton of Indiana players on their team.
Perhaps the move to a tougher conference is opening the doors for that level of player, but there sure wasnt anything wrong with the players they recruited.
Best of luck to them and if they are expanding their recruiting to more of a national level, this should open the door to more quality Indiana and Illinois players to VU and others. Example is Alec Peters.
lowposter
Maybe we should get a section just for Butler talk. I thought it was a good idea to purposefully try and limit the Butler talk since they left our conference. It is no more relevant to talk about Butler than it is to talk about Evansville or Notre Dame, both Div.1 schools in the state of Indiana, not run by the state, who are not in the Horizon League, at least not yet.
historyman, I understand your opinion on the Butler talk, but we're comparing them to us, in recruiting, based on Alec Peters, so this Butler discussion is relevant. If we were just reminiscing about how we wish Butler was still in the HL, then yes..I would agree that this should be in a different category. I like the recruiting discussion about Peters, sounds like a good kid that could be fruitful in our program.
Quote from: valporun on August 25, 2012, 10:20:00 AM
historyman, I understand your opinion on the Butler talk, but we're comparing them to us, in recruiting, based on Alec Peters, so this Butler discussion is relevant. If we were just reminiscing about how we wish Butler was still in the HL, then yes..I would agree that this should be in a different category. I like the recruiting discussion about Peters, sounds like a good kid that could be fruitful in our program.
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I like your muted opinion, but, this kid would be a HUGE get for Valpo and really open some eyes concerning Bryce's recruiting stature. He is getting high major offers, not just looks. His stock has gone through the roof this last summer. He would be the "icing" on our recruiting class.
The discussion had turned to what kind of recruits Butler was getting due to their 2 National Championship games. I think it is fine to talk about how Butler's change in recruiting will affect Valpo's recruiting but so will Evansville's and Notre Dame's change in recruiting. Valpo fans still have a sense that Butler's actions affect Valpo more. They simply don't.
Historyman: It appears that you are becoming the Censor-In-Chief. Why? :o
Quote from: setshot on Today at 11:09:35 AM
Historyman: It appears that you are becoming the Censor-In-Chief. Why?
I just like to point out that in the past we have had a fixation with Butler, myself included, that was irrational and makes Butler seem more important than they really are to Valpo. In reality Butler is no different to Valpo than Evansville or Notre Dame which are also private schools within Indiana that are not in our conference. I think it's important now to keep that within perspective. Butler will soon be as irrelevant in the A-10 as Evansville has been in the Mo Valley lately.
historyman, thou art a prophet. i second that emotion.
Quote from: historyman on August 25, 2012, 11:02:30 AM
The discussion had turned to what kind of recruits Butler was getting due to their 2 National Championship games. I think it is fine to talk about how Butler's change in recruiting will affect Valpo's recruiting but so will Evansville's and Notre Dame's change in recruiting. Valpo fans still have a sense that Butler's actions affect Valpo more. They simply don't.
Very well stated. What Butler does going forward has absolutely no impact on Valpo. They play in a different conference and recruit different kids (Peters being the once a decade exception). Now that they don't share a conference, the teams won't be playing and really have very little in common. Things will go back to the way they were before 2006, when you didn't care what Butler was doing.
Scott Burgess @scott_chihoops
Class of 2013 Washington HS SF Alec Peters will be taking officials the next two weekends to Illinois St Sept 8 and Valpo Sept 15.
One source reports that Valpo and Illinois State may be Peters' top 2 choices and final 2 official visits. I'm hoping that the fact that he began his search with an unofficial visit to Valpo and is ending it with an official visit says that we are his top choice at this point.
Makes sense, since he will have a chance to play solid minutes as a FR at Valpo, and we are a better program/school than Illinois State
I think Valpo COULD INDEED become a peer and then make a case they are "better program" than Illinois State. I can buy "better school".
But realistically I think they are an MVC school that has contended and won that tournament over the last few years.
Of course Peters may pick Valpo for the reasons you say and the school itself. Hope he does. Would be a key "get".
Quote from: crusadermoe on September 04, 2012, 09:12:06 AM
I think Valpo COULD INDEED become a peer and then make a case they are "better program" than Illinois State. I can buy "better school".
But realistically I think they are an MVC school that has contended and won that tournament over the last few years.
Of course Peters may pick Valpo for the reasons you say and the school itself. Hope he does. Would be a key "get".
And working with Bryce - a coach that has NBA playing experience.
Quote from: covufan on September 04, 2012, 11:16:41 AM
Quote from: crusadermoe on September 04, 2012, 09:12:06 AM
I think Valpo COULD INDEED become a peer and then make a case they are "better program" than Illinois State. I can buy "better school".
But realistically I think they are an MVC school that has contended and won that tournament over the last few years.
Of course Peters may pick Valpo for the reasons you say and the school itself. Hope he does. Would be a key "get".
And working with Bryce - a coach that has NBA playing experience.
... as well as Roger Powell, who also has some NBA experience and like Peters is an Illinois product.
Quote from: valpopal on September 04, 2012, 12:16:39 PM
Quote from: covufan on September 04, 2012, 11:16:41 AM
Quote from: crusadermoe on September 04, 2012, 09:12:06 AM
I think Valpo COULD INDEED become a peer and then make a case they are "better program" than Illinois State. I can buy "better school".
But realistically I think they are an MVC school that has contended and won that tournament over the last few years.
Of course Peters may pick Valpo for the reasons you say and the school itself. Hope he does. Would be a key "get".
And working with Bryce - a coach that has NBA playing experience.
... as well as Roger Powell, who also has some NBA experience and like Peters is an Illinois product.
... and was a physical player who played the same position at Illinois that Peters will be playing. Who better to prepare him to be successful at the next level?
Quote from: crusadermoe on September 04, 2012, 09:12:06 AM
I think Valpo COULD INDEED become a peer and then make a case they are "better program" than Illinois State. I can buy "better school".
But realistically I think they are an MVC school that has contended and won that tournament over the last few years.
Of course Peters may pick Valpo for the reasons you say and the school itself. Hope he does. Would be a key "get".
Where do you get the information that they are a better program? Outside of this last season where they finished runner-up in the tournament (#4 in regular season), they are typically a low to mid-table team in the MVC, which we would be better than. I don't see anything that would put them above us, as they haven't been to the NCAA tournament since 1998, and like us, have some recent tier 2/3 tournaments...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_State_Redbirds_men's_basketball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_State_Redbirds_men's_basketball)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Conference_Men's_Basketball_Tournament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Conference_Men's_Basketball_Tournament)
Agreed - we are in the process of separating ourselves from mids like Illinois State. In the last 2 seasons our record and RPI were better, we won a regular league title, and went to the NIT. With the talent we have in place and more on the way, the 2 programs shouldn't be anywhere close going forward. Our program is on the upswing big time.
Quote from: valpotx on September 04, 2012, 02:09:14 PM
Quote from: crusadermoe on September 04, 2012, 09:12:06 AM
I think Valpo COULD INDEED become a peer and then make a case they are "better program" than Illinois State. I can buy "better school". But realistically I think they are an MVC school that has contended and won that tournament over the last few years.
Of course Peters may pick Valpo for the reasons you say and the school itself. Hope he does. Would be a key "get".
Where do you get the information that they are a better program? Outside of this last season where they finished runner-up in the tournament (#4 in regular season), they are typically a low to mid-table team in the MVC, which we would be better than. I don't see anything that would put them above us, as they haven't been to the NCAA tournament since 1998, and like us, have some recent tier 2/3 tournaments...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_State_Redbirds_men's_basketball (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illinois_State_Redbirds_men's_basketball)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Conference_Men's_Basketball_Tournament (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_Valley_Conference_Men's_Basketball_Tournament)
And you can "buy" that Valpo is a better school? Really? ISU isn't in the same league academically and I think Peters is focused on academics as well. I would think that Boston College may be our biggest competitor now that he has dropped Butler from his list.
Quote from: vu72 on September 04, 2012, 02:25:03 PM
And you can "buy" that Valpo is a better school? Really? ISU isn't in the same league academically and I think Peters is focused on academics as well. I would think that Boston College may be our biggest competitor now that he has dropped Butler from his list.
Great for Valpo to make his final list and they should have a good chance. IMO, it's really hard to pick a favorite because all of us know very little about what's most important to him. But before counting ISU out, here are a few things that
could be working in their favor:
1. Proximity. 45 minutes from home versus 3 1/2 hours to Valpo. Could be important if his parents/family want to attend most/all of his games.
2. Playing time. He's stated he wants to be able to play/contribute right away. He may be able to do that better at ISU, instead of trying to break into a loaded Valpo rotation.
3. Facilities. I haven't toured the entire campus, but Redbird Arena is one of my favorite college venues in the midwest.
4. Conference affiliation and tournament. The MVC has consistently been more highly rated (in RPI and NCAA bids) than the Horizon and it's hard to beat Arch Madness.
All that stuff may matter a lot or may not matter at all. That's why it's so difficult for outsiders to figure out what kids are going to decide.
Quote from: wh on September 04, 2012, 02:24:15 PM
Agreed - we are in the process of separating ourselves from mids like Illinois State. In the last 2 seasons our record and RPI were better, we won a regular league title, and went to the NIT. With the talent we have in place and more on the way, the 2 programs shouldn't be anywhere close going forward. Our program is on the upswing big time.
Whether or not we are a program that is now prepared to pull well ahead of theirs, plus the academics could be the deciding factors; or not. There is always some pressure on talented kids to play for the local team and by this standard Illinois St. would have the edge.
My question is more about why shouldn't both Illinois St. and Bradley be regularly on the schedule? They are both MVC, nearby mid majors who likely have just as much trouble getting quality home games as we do. If Peters does commit to Valpo I wouldn't be surprised to see a home and away attempted with one or both but I would like to see it even if he goes elsewhere.
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 04, 2012, 04:37:27 PM
2. Playing time. He's stated he wants to be able to play/contribute right away. He may be able to do that better at ISU, instead of trying to break into a loaded Valpo rotation.
If Peters comes to Valpo, I have no doubt he will get major playing time his first year, most likely as a starter. He will step perfectly into the spot vacated by Rowdy's graduation.
Quote from: valpopal on September 04, 2012, 05:22:24 PM
Quote from: EddieCabot on September 04, 2012, 04:37:27 PM
2. Playing time. He's stated he wants to be able to play/contribute right away. He may be able to do that better at ISU, instead of trying to break into a loaded Valpo rotation.
If Peters comes to Valpo, I have no doubt he will get major playing time his first year, most likely as a starter. He will step perfectly into the spot vacated by Rowdy's graduation.
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I think that spot will go to Alex Rossi. Peters sounds more like a four rather than a three although his good shooting would make him a possiblity at the three. The question is, can he defend the 3, and I think we all will see Rossi's defense very soon.
So then what about the four spot? It would appear that either Bobby or David Chadwick would be the starter with Vashil as the backup at the five, maybe he starts with David as the backup. Peters then could be the backup at the four and still get playing time, ala Richie Edwards and then step into a starting role the next year.
It seems to me as though Peters is clearly a 4, especially in the HL. That's what he is listed at on rivals.com:
http://http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Alec-Peters-142859 (http://http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/basketball/recruiting/player-Alec-Peters-142859)
Not that it is too early but here is an idea for the rotation in 2013-14 if Valpo gets Peters
5: Bobby Capobianco Vashil Fernandez
4: Alec Peters David Chadwick
3: Alex Rossi Jabril Adekoya
2: Jordan Coleman Clay Yeo Nick Davidson
1: Lavonte Dority Tommy Kurth Lexus Williams
72, you are too caught up on defense. Bryce played a ton of zone very effectively. If the guy can defend his area and double team the way Valpo does out of that zone he can play any spot on offense.
I can only tell you what was said to me, regarding Rowdy's ability to play the 3, and it came from a VERY highly placed unnamed source: "it depends on his ability to guard the 3"
I'll leave it at that.
We are talking about winning College basketball games and not about Rowdy's shot at playing in he NBa right? Your high ranked unnamed source told you something everybody already knows?! I think this would be an interesting topic on a different thread. Please forgive my typos, it's tough typing on an IPod.
the topic was whether or not Rowdy could/would play the 3 in college. The pro question never came up.
How that fits in recruiting is beyond me...I assumed the conversation was on Peters position since thats what all the previous posts were about. Regardless yes Ryan can play the three in college. He has the length and the smarts to make up for whatever he might give in quickness...and we play zone a lot.
Here is some video of Alec Peters that I don't believe has been posted yet. It's video in 2 games that Alec Peters played in against Morton, IL HS and Peoria Central which are 2 of Washington HS's biggest rivals according to the Bradley Braves message board
(AMAGYLON PRESENTS) Washington Community H.S. Wing Alec Peters '13 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Dpb9AucJlU#ws)
News story on WMBD channel 31 in Peoria on Alec Peters during the summer after their sectional loss.
http://centralillinoisproud.com/fulltext?nxd_id=259412 (http://centralillinoisproud.com/fulltext?nxd_id=259412)
I believe that the first part of this video was already posted on this message board but if you keep watching you will see that the total interview from beginning to end is also on the end of this video. It comes from WHOI channel 19 in Peoria.
http://www.cinewsnow.com/sports/Washingtons-Alec-Peters-on-Recruiting-163485226.html (http://www.cinewsnow.com/sports/Washingtons-Alec-Peters-on-Recruiting-163485226.html)
Just in case you haven't had enough yet here is some more video on Alec Peters. This time the video is from an AAU tournament that Peters played in for his AAU team, the Peoria Irish.
Alec Peters 2013 Washington (IL) at the GRBA Championships (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QHrxnB6r4Yo#ws)
@petersalec: Big thanks to the ISU coaches and players for showing me what the red birds are all about this weekend
@petersalec: Also bigger thanks to @Ekey22 for being a great host.
Alec's Valpo visit is this coming weekend.
Tweet from last evening ... interesting because I didn't know Tennessee was involved.
Gavin Sullivan@PeoriaIrish: Tennessee is in to watch 2013 Wing Alec Peters tonight & will be watching 2014 PG Marcus Bartley tomorrow morning!
Quote from: zvillehaze on September 10, 2012, 03:15:11 PM
Tweet from last evening ... interesting because I didn't know Tennessee was involved.
Gavin Sullivan@PeoriaIrish: Tennessee is in to watch 2013 Wing Alec Peters tonight & will be watching 2014 PG Marcus Bartley tomorrow morning!
late arrival to the party, it sounds like. hopefully their interest doesn't spook him and he commits to valpo. :)
According to an update about Alec Peters, the Valpo coaches will conduct a home visit this week before he comes to VU on the weekend.
Alec Peters Talks Illinois State Official Visit
Chicago Hoops - Recruiting
WRITTEN BY SCOTT BURGESS
MONDAY, 10 SEPTEMBER 2012 18:25
One of the most highly contested races for a recruit in the state of Illinois is for the services of Washington High School small forward Alec Peters.
The Peoria Irish star had a huge summer that made him a priority recruit for several programs. One of those is Illinois State where he officially visited over the weekend.
"When I got there we met with Coach Muller and we talked for a while about my game and everything. I got to play with their guys both days. I got to meet the President and the AD too."
There were several aspects of the visit that impressed Peters.
"I was really happy to find out that the whole team does everything together. Me and Paris (Lee) were with them all the time. The campus environment was surprising as well. They all love the Redbirds."
Illinois State also hosted their big verbal commitment in Proviso East guard Paris Lee on his official visit. Was Lee in Peters ear about pulling the trigger on a commitment?
"Paris is awesome. Yeah he was recruiting me harder than Coach Muller was at times! We really got to know each other a lot and really have a strong relationship."
Peters spoke about what stands out about Illinois St in his eyes.
"I like the team atmosphere. The coaches are always around for you. They made me feel more at home. Their team is on the right path."
Next up on Peters agenda is an official visit to Valparaiso this upcoming weekend September 14-16.
That doesn't sound like a resounding positive review of his ISU visit, as it seems like he is more complimenting them on the direction they are moving, not necessarily that he wants to be a part of it.
Wonder how the coaches in-home visit with Alec Peters went this week? Also wondering if Alec Peters is on his official visit as planned this weekend. I saw on Twitter that there was a death in his family later in the week. Certainly could understand if his visit was rescheduled.
Quote from: wh on September 11, 2012, 08:26:27 PMNext up on Peters agenda is an official visit to Valparaiso this upcoming weekend September 14-16.
Is Peters watching a good Valpo football game today?
Rescheduled due to death in family.
@prepbullseye: Per @PeoriaIrish 6'7 2013 WF Alec Peters has rescheduled his official visit to Valparaiso for this coming weekend.
6h Scott Burgess @scott_chihoops
Washington 2013 SF Alec Peters will be at Valparaiso this weekend for his official visit. Big visit for both Valpo and Peters.
Retweeted by Alec Peters
Quote from: wh on September 21, 2012, 08:28:15 PM
6h Scott Burgess @scott_chihoops
Washington 2013 SF Alec Peters will be at Valparaiso this weekend for his official visit. Big visit for both Valpo and Peters.
Retweeted by Alec Peters
I understand that 2013 Valpo commits Clay Yeo, Jubril Adekoya, and Lexus Williams will be on campus this weekend as well. (I'm not sure about Nick Davidson, though he is certainly near enough to stop by campus anytime.) It would be nice if Alec Peters decided to join that strong incoming group of players.
Alec Peters
@petersalec
On they way to valpo! Looking forward to a great visit!
4:16pm - 22 Sep 12
If we can land Alec, it will be a great coup indeed. Think about this: Alec holds offers from over 20 schools including offers from the ACC, the PAC-12, Conference USA, the Big West, the A-10, the Missouri Valley,and the Horizon with plenty of other interest from schools including those in the Big Ten.
Not to put too much value on the decision, but I think it could be the biggest win since Lubos Barton, or perhaps even Bryce Drew.
I know about his other offers, but when you look at the teams Alec Peters is considering as finalists and you think about the priorities he might have, Valpo seems to be the best fit for a number of reasons.
Just ticking them off: The young coaching staff with NBA experience would be a benefit to him, especially Drew and Powell who would be best suited to sharpen Alec's strengths. He will fit right in with the team at his position and in style of play. The current team should do very well and serve as a springboard to gain attention for next year's team when he arrives. He will have excellent teammates from the current team, and a strong incoming class he will be joining in 2013. Valpo offers a premium academic opportunity, which gives added value to the scholarship. The university is close enough to home for family to visit by driving, but it is just far enough for him to feel independent. I understand Alec is religious, and Valpo has a strong religious tradition.
You never know what criteria cause a player to make his choice, but I feel good that Valpo checks off almost all of the boxes.
Quote from: valpopal on September 24, 2012, 09:58:13 AM
I know about his other offers, but when you look at the teams Alec Peters is considering as finalists and you think about the priorities he might have, Valpo seems to be the best fit for a number of reasons.
Just ticking them off: The young coaching staff with NBA experience would be a benefit to him, especially Drew and Powell who would be best suited to sharpen Alec's strengths. He will fit right in with the team at his position and in style of play. The current team should do very well and serve as a springboard to gain attention for next year's team when he arrives. He will have excellent teammates from the current team, and a strong incoming class he will be joining in 2013. Valpo offers a premium academic opportunity, which gives added value to the scholarship. The university is close enough to home for family to visit by driving, but it is just far enough for him to feel independent. I understand Alec is religious, and Valpo has a strong religious tradition.
You never know what criteria cause a player to make his choice, but I feel good that Valpo checks off almost all of the boxes.
Good points all. He is also quoted as saying he wants to go where he can play right away. That opportunity should be available, given the volume of minutes that will be played by this year's seniors.
My understanding is that he wants to study engineering. Valpo's undergrad engineering college is ranked 17th in the nation by US News. The other candidates don't matchup in this regard.
Quote from: vu72 on September 24, 2012, 11:14:48 AM
My understanding is that he wants to study engineering. Valpo's undergrad engineering college is ranked 17th in the nation by US News. The other candidates don't matchup in this regard.
For the most part I would agree. I'm not sure people from Rice would agree, as they have an excellent engineering program. However, if staying close to home is preferred, Valpo could be towards the top of his rather nice list.
I keep hoping to see someone quote a tweet that says he's ready to wear brown and gold.
What was the name of the player from a few years ago that was close to signing with Valpo and then was recruited away by Tennessee?
Quote from: humbleopinion on September 24, 2012, 03:50:47 PM
I keep hoping to see someone quote a tweet that says he's ready to wear brown and gold.
What was the name of the player from a few years ago that was close to signing with Valpo and then was recruited away by Tennessee?
Not exactly what you're hoping for, but positive nonetheless:
1h Alec Peters @petersalec
Great coaches and community here at Valpo1:22 PM - 24 Sep 12 · Details
1h Alec Peters @petersalec
This has been a great weekend!1:19 PM - 24 Sep 12 · Details
Quote from: humbleopinion on September 24, 2012, 03:50:47 PM
I keep hoping to see someone quote a tweet that says he's ready to wear brown and gold.
What was the name of the player from a few years ago that was close to signing with Valpo and then was recruited away by Tennessee?
Coincidentally, Peters apparently received an offer from Tennessee today, which doesn't change my opinion that Valparaiso is the best fit for him. I hope Alec and his family agree.
Quote from: vu72 on September 24, 2012, 11:14:48 AM
My understanding is that he wants to study engineering. Valpo's undergrad engineering college is ranked 17th in the nation by US News. The other candidates don't matchup in this regard.
Valpo is ranked 17th among schools that
don't offer a doctorate in engineering. Who knows where you'd place on the list of all schools...but my guess is much, much lower. Not trying to bash your program; I'm sure it's great. But, I think it's unfair to say nobody else matches up with you. You're comparing apples and oranges.
Quote from: BigDFromUIC on September 24, 2012, 08:32:49 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 24, 2012, 11:14:48 AM
My understanding is that he wants to study engineering. Valpo's undergrad engineering college is ranked 17th in the nation by US News. The other candidates don't matchup in this regard.
Valpo is ranked 17th among schools that don't offer a doctorate in engineering. Who knows where you'd place on the list of all schools...but my guess is much, much lower. Not trying to bash your program; I'm sure it's great. But, I think it's unfair to say nobody else matches up with you. You're comparing apples and oranges.
Thanks for interjecting something into which you know very little. First off, I presume Alec will be seeking an UNDERGRADUATE degree so your "don't offer a doctorate" doesn't make any sense at all. Next I'll simply say that if you look at Valpo's engineering site, you will see reference to a solar furnace. It will allow Valpo UNDERGRADS to do research at a level unheard of at almost any engineering program. Valpo is the ONLY undergraduate institution with such a device. MIT has been to Valpo to see what is going on. How do you like them "apples"??
And for the record, I should have said that Valpo's engineering program was superior to the front runners. I'm sure Rice's program is terrific as well, but I doubt
Alec is leaning toward the Owls.
http://www.valpo.edu/engineering/solar/index.php (http://www.valpo.edu/engineering/solar/index.php)
Quote from: vu72 on September 24, 2012, 09:28:22 PM
Quote from: BigDFromUIC on September 24, 2012, 08:32:49 PM
Quote from: vu72 on September 24, 2012, 11:14:48 AM
My understanding is that he wants to study engineering. Valpo's undergrad engineering college is ranked 17th in the nation by US News. The other candidates don't matchup in this regard.
Valpo is ranked 17th among schools that don't offer a doctorate in engineering. Who knows where you'd place on the list of all schools...but my guess is much, much lower. Not trying to bash your program; I'm sure it's great. But, I think it's unfair to say nobody else matches up with you. You're comparing apples and oranges.
Thanks for interjecting something into which you know very little. First off, I presume Alec will be seeking an UNDERGRADUATE degree so your "don't offer a doctorate" doesn't make any sense at all. Next I'll simply say that if you look at Valpo's engineering site, you will see reference to a solar furnace. It will allow Valpo UNDERGRADS to do research at a level unheard of at almost any engineering program. Valpo is the ONLY undergraduate institution with such a device. MIT has been to Valpo to see what is going on. How do you like them "apples"??
And for the record, I should have said that Valpo's engineering program was superior to the front runners. I'm sure Rice's program is terrific as well, but I doubt
Alec is leaning toward the Owls.
You may want to think twice before accusing somebody of knowing very little when a quick search at US News proves that you're the one that knows very little. My logic makes perfect sense. US News ranks engineering schools separately....there are those that offer doctorate degrees and those that don't. However, for each group, the
undergraduate program is ranked. For instance, MIT is ranked as having the #1 undergrad engineering program amongst schools that offer doctorates. Immediately, this would drop you to #18 (if you think your program is better than MIT's, you're off your rocker)...then drop Valpo much further when you bring in Stanford, CIT, Berkeley, UIUC, Michigan, etc.
So, someone like Peters should not just look at the list Valpo is in. If you were a counselor advising him to discount MIT for Valpo, I'd fire you in a heartbeat.
I don't have access to the full set of rankings, nor do I know who the front runners for Peters are, but I am curious why you think you're ahead of the front runners. What we have here is homerism at its finest. You point to one example of a solar furnace? I can guarantee you that MIT and most of the other schools on the doctorate list are doing many things that Valpo couldn't even think about doing (and in a wide variety of areas). You simply can't compete with the resources (both amount of teachers/researchers and money) that these big doctorate schools funnel into cutting-edge research and education.
There are about 180 engineering programs in the undergraduate group (MS terminal) and 150 in the doctorate group. Both have a small pct. of outstanding programs all the way down to some real slugs and everything between - really no different than any other degree program. The fact that one group offers a doctorate does not in and of itself make that group superior. It also does not mean that their BS degrees are superior just because they happen to also offer a doctorate in that degree program. Case in point - Chicago State. They offer doctorate programs. In their case it simply represents one more level of educational mediocrity. The bottom line is if the two decks were merged, Valpo's very highly regarded Engineering program would still be a frontrunner when comparing undergraduate programs (apples to apples). Yes, they would be behind MIT and some other best-of-the-best Engineering schools in the other group, but they would definitely be ahead of the majority of average and below average programs in that group - especially when compared to a lot of secondary state schools with the usual array of average programs and lower admission standards.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch. It appears that neither of the 2 other reported front runners - Boston College and Illinois State - has an Engineering program. ISU offers Engrg. Tech., which is a lower level general engrg. degree.
Quote from: humbleopinion on September 24, 2012, 03:50:47 PMWhat was the name of the player from a few years ago that was close to signing with Valpo and then was recruited away by Tennessee?
I believe you are talking about Chris Lofton. Despite being named Mr. Basketball in Kentucky, neither Louisville or Kentucky thought that Lofton had what it took to be a big time D1 guard. It appeared that all the major D1 programs had filled their scholarships and so VU went a courting. We had an opportunity to get Lofton but then Tennessee came in and snatched him up at the last second. Lofton became on of the best three point shooter in college basketball history.
Quote from: wh on September 24, 2012, 11:43:11 PM
There are about 180 engineering programs in the undergraduate group (MS terminal) and 150 in the doctorate group. Both have a small pct. of outstanding programs all the way down to some real slugs and everything between - really no different than any other degree program. The fact that one group offers a doctorate does not in and of itself make that group superior. It also does not mean that their BS degrees are superior just because they happen to also offer a doctorate in that degree program. Case in point - Chicago State. They offer doctorate programs. In their case it simply represents one more level of educational mediocrity. The bottom line is if the two decks were merged, Valpo's very highly regarded Engineering program would still be a frontrunner when comparing undergraduate programs (apples to apples). Yes, they would be behind MIT and some other best-of-the-best Engineering schools in the other group, but they would definitely be ahead of the majority of average and below average programs in that group - especially when compared to a lot of secondary state schools with the usual array of average programs and lower admission standards.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch. It appears that neither of the 2 other reported front runners - Boston College and Illinois State - has an Engineering program. ISU offers Engrg. Tech., which is a lower level general engrg. degree.
If Boston College and ISU are the front-runners and don't have engineering, then you are certainly correct in saying Valpo would be ahead of them. My problem with vu72's statement is that saying Valpo is #17 in the nation is misleading. It's only #17 among non-doctorate schools. It's not #17 overall. You can't even say that Valpo would definitely be ahead of a majority of average programs. How do you know? Sure, you'd be above a school like Chicago State, but there is no way to tell where Valpo would fit in overall if you merged the lists. And, you can't really merge them because it
is apples and oranges...this is the whole reason for two lists. The doctorate schools, on average, have more resources at their disposal and, therefore, attract big-time researchers/professors, and this funnels down to the students in terms of advanced research opportunities, advanced graduate level courses (which may be taken by undergrads), and so on. The non-doctorate schools simply don't offer the same opportunities to the same degree. And I'm not saying there are no advantages to attending a non-doctorate engineering program like Valpo's...I'm sure there are things you get there (smaller class size, more personal attention, etc.) that you can't get at a school like MIT, or even UIC.
Quote from: BigDFromUIC on September 25, 2012, 08:14:19 AMMy problem with vu72's statement is that saying Valpo is #17 in the nation is misleading. It's only #17 among non-doctorate schools.
Your try at knocking what I said has only one problem. I didn't say that it was #17 in the nation.
Here is a copy of my original post:
My understanding is that he wants to study engineering. Valpo's undergrad engineering college is ranked 17th in the nation by US News. The other candidates don't matchup in this regard.Note the "undergrad" notation. It was a broad statement and I added later, I should have said "among the supposed leaders", with no disrespect to the academic reputation of a school like Rice.
Schools with and without doctorate programs are ranked separately for a reason - they are very different types of schools and the faculty is compensated and promoted via very different standards. There are pluses and minuses to each. Valpo engineering has great research for a non-doctorate school and great people who lead those research efforts. That said, if you really want to work with top researchers you will find more potential opportunities at large well-renowned public and private schools (or a few special private ones).
Valpo is a truly great engineering school because of teaching and the hands on personal nature of the faculty. At the big doctorate schools, you will have 100s of people in your math, science and lower level engineering courses and the course will mostly be taught by TAs. Valpo has faculty teach every class at every level, the class sizes are smaller and far more personal, and the help and support plentiful. Few doctorate schools could reach Valpo in its quality of teaching and working with undergraduates because of how the programs are structured....along with the great nature of the people.
Found this report from the Chicago Sun-Times, which ranks the Illinois top 25 players in the class of 2013. If we get Peters (ranked No.11) we would have 3 in the top 25.
http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2012/08/after_dust_has_settled_the_top.html (http://blogs.suntimes.com/hoopsreport/2012/08/after_dust_has_settled_the_top.html)
I'm impressed with the write-ups on all three. These are the kind of kids Valpo needs and, conversely, Valpo is the kind of school that will optimise these kids as persons as well as athletes.
I didnt see Peters this summer, but Taphorn (rated just below Peters) is flat out a shooter. If Peters is rated the best shooter, over Taphorn, then this kid can flat out stroke.
Taphorn is going to Northwestern and is limited in his game (spot up shooter), but has the size to be effective on the wing.
Should be an interesting game when Washington and Pekin meet.
lowposter
Quote from: valpopal on September 24, 2012, 05:46:49 PM
Quote from: humbleopinion on September 24, 2012, 03:50:47 PM
I keep hoping to see someone quote a tweet that says he's ready to wear brown and gold.
What was the name of the player from a few years ago that was close to signing with Valpo and then was recruited away by Tennessee?
Coincidentally, Peters apparently received an offer from Tennessee today, which doesn't change my opinion that Valparaiso is the best fit for him. I hope Alec and his family agree.
Just checked the Tennessee fan boards. They seem puzzled by their offer to Peters, a couple calling it "a head scratcher" and indicating they believe he'd get very little playing time if he went there. If Alec comes to Valpo, I believe he works his way into the starting lineup his freshman year.
Similar to the Pearl Tenn. teams, their roster is built on speed and athleticism from top to bottom. In general, that's how the SEC rolls. Martin must be thinking it never hurts to have someone who can shoot the ball in certain situations.
Penetrate and kick...gotta have someone on the perimeter to make the defense pay to pack the lane.
Anybody have a Chicagohoops membership? There is an article just posted concerning Alec and his visit to Valpo.
Regarding Alec Peters:
Gavin Sullivan @PeoriaIrish
Big Day Today!!! Fall League In the Morning & my man @petersalec makes his choice tonight! Pumped for the day ahead!
Roy Schmidt @prepbullseye Per @PeoriaIrish 6'7 2013 WF Alec Peters will announce his college choice tonight. Will choose from between IL St, Valpo or BC.
thanks, prepbullzeye. gotta feel good about us being the last visit before the announcement.
now, if we could just get HLN to livestream... : )
Alec Peters tweet from last night:
Alec Peters
@petersalec
God is great!
10:25pm - 29 Sep 12
Alec has taken his time and has undoubtedly given this decision much thought, and probably some prayer as well. Whatever he decides I hope it works out well for him.
I am hearing Peters selected Valpo, and I am waiting for official word!
Quote from: valpopal on September 30, 2012, 06:32:18 PM
I am hearing Peters selected Valpo, and I am waiting for official word!
Just got a confirmation; Welcome Alec Peters! :thumbsup:
This is just GREAT news!!!! I am so happy that Alec chose Valpo, given the multitude of scholarship offers he had. A VERY big "get" for Valpo, and personally I look forward to watching Alec and the whole incoming recruiting class for 2013 develop during their college years, personally as outstanding young men committed to excelling in the classroom as well as on the basketball court. And our coaching staff deserves a big "well done" on putting together this kind of recruiting class for Valpo!!! IMO, we are so blessed at Valpo to have the type of coaches that we do.
WELCOME to the VALPO family, Alec!!
The link below is from earlier this evening in the Illinois Prep Bulls-eye announcing Alec's Valpo commitment.
http://ilprepbullseye.com/Peters_Valpo.html (http://ilprepbullseye.com/Peters_Valpo.html)
And Alec's tweet announcing his decision:
"Committed to Valparaiso!!! #Crusaders #ValpoBound"
These stood out to me from the article:
"Another factor that very much came into play with Peter's decision is something that actually has very little to do with basketball. It is the fact that Peters has strong religious convictions and he felt that Valparaiso offers him the opportunity for spiritual development which coincides with his beliefs. From a basketball standpoint, there is no question that Peters can step in at Valpo and be an immediate impact player in the Horizon League."
And....
"Above everything else, he and his family feel a very close relationship with Drew. Peters hit it off with the Crusaders head coach from the moment that he began recruiting him and is excited about the opportunity to play for him."
Duh! Who wouldn't?
And....
"What is also most significant about Peters' commitment is that it firmly establishes Crusaders assistant coach Roger Powell as an elite recruiter in Illinois. Powell was the lead recruiter on all three of Valpo's Illinois-based commitments in the 2013 class."
What a hire!
He could have played in the ACC for a religiously affiliated university (BC) yet he chose little 'ole VU. Cool!
VU had better find a higher position/ more $$$ for Coach Powell. He will attract considerable attention very quickly at a higher level (University of Illinois?). He mined the Illinois talent pool quite well.
Was there anyone that VU "missed" in their recruiting? Not sure if he had anything to do with Yeo or Davidson, but he definately pulled in the Illinois talent, a market which has been a minor factor lately.
lowposter
Awesome get from the sounds of it! Hopefully we can keep Powell around for another year or two, but I am sure he will get his opportunities. The thing I worry about is whether or not Bryce will coach some of these guys each time they commit past this year. He will be getting even better offers after this season...
Quote from: justducky on June 21, 2012, 10:21:22 PM
Quote from: covufan on June 21, 2012, 06:06:54 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on June 21, 2012, 04:23:19 PMOne more thing: Oren calls this "one of the most anticipated freshmen classes in Valparaiso history."
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Do we think that is so? I mean, easily in recent memory perhaps, when recruiting classes are often NOT freshmen, but still...when the dust settles and the ink dries we'll have to weigh these things.
I think it could be, at least since the Kenny Harris Freshman class.
Lets approach this subject from another direction. I think that we can all in general agree that we would like to be a program that could consistantly compete well with the bottom half of the Big Ten and the top half of the A-10. So lets say that Nebraska, Penn State, Northwestern, Dayton, Butler, and Xavier all have 6 seniors going into next season and all so far have verbal commitments from guys named Lexus Williams, Jubril Adekoya, Clay Yeo and Nick Davidson. What is the reaction from their fan bases?
On June 21 I posted the question above and no one was willing to attempt an answer. Today I can add Alec Peters name to that list and will again ask for your opinions. I think that another way that I could phrase this would be to ask for an assessment of this recruiting class by any top 100 div-1 program (other than Valpo).
There are no simple right answers and I have no "gotcha" responses so feel free to stick your neck out.
Honestly, I think schools like Dayton might be excited about the class....particularly Peters.
However, Xavier, Butler etc would not be high on this group. Xavier has a 5-star committed. Butler has two 3-stars. Same for Nebraska and Northwestern. Penn State has three 3-stars.
Our group just doesn't have the (Rivals/ESPN) "star power." Our guys range from not-rated to 2 stars. That said, I think we have an under-the rader group of a 4 star (Peters), 3 star (Davidson) and very high upside 2 stars (Yeo, Adekoya, Williams) that could easily push into 3 star respect. Throw in Chadwick who was a 3-star and the class looks even better.
So, those teams wouldn't be happy with this class...but I couldn't care less. This is a dynamite group that is going to out-perform most people's expectations.
And to think, there is still one open slot for next year and probably two as Tommy Kurth will have eligibility but will have graduated and presumably will want to get on with his career but, could decide to stay to take advantage of a year of graduate school.
When I look at the depth chart, acknowledging that my assumptions are based on high school evaluations in some cases, it will be as deep a team, in 13-14 as we will have this coming year. Presume Bryce will hold the one/two slots for powerhouse transfers to help with the following year when we will be relying much more on our younger players.
Isn't today the first day for early NLI signings for Class of 2013 recruits? Any word on ours?
I saw via Paul Oren's twitter account that everyone appeared to have signed their's this morning minus Davidson. And the only reason he did not know about Davidson was because he does not have a twitter account. Exciting day for everyone.
Here's one:
Triton Athletics @tritontrojanfan
It's official! @ValpoBound5 "Clay Yeo" signs his letter of intent to play basketball for @ValpoUCrusader in 2013 pic.twitter.com/YTe4kvEB
Retweeted by Clay Yeo
I'd not seen his twitter account before! @ValpoBound5 indeed.
Also
@AnthonyKunder
S/O to my lil big cousin @ValpoBound5 for officially becoming a Crusader this morning. #CrusaderNation #Family pic.twitter.com/6go0f0ao
Quote from: valpo4life on November 14, 2012, 01:53:32 PM
I saw via Paul Oren's twitter account that everyone appeared to have signed their's this morning minus Davidson. And the only reason he did not know about Davidson was because he does not have a twitter account. Exciting day for everyone.
I've lost track, who's "everyone" aside from Davidson and Yeo?
I can't seem to find Oren's tweet...
Adekoya, Peters and Williams
Clay Yeo signed at 8:00am this morning. :thumbsup:
Hopefully all sign! I am sure that it doesn't hurt that we are kicking the crap out of teams early in the schedule
Quote from: chef on November 14, 2012, 02:14:26 PM
Adekoya, Peters and Williams
Ah - cool. Thanks.
So, it seems like the google docs version
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlQ2tPhus3WCdElfelJobS1BOXVfU09YU19UbENmdWc&pli=1#gid=0 (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlQ2tPhus3WCdElfelJobS1BOXVfU09YU19UbENmdWc&pli=1#gid=0)
is more up to date than the version posted here
http://www.valpofanzone.com/2012/02/17/valparaiso-crusaders-scholarship-grid/ (http://www.valpofanzone.com/2012/02/17/valparaiso-crusaders-scholarship-grid/)
Here's twitter links for four, where it's pretty clear that at least three have signed. Peters has twitter, but it's not 100% obvious he signed. Davidson's a tweet refusenik, apparently.
Williams
https://twitter.com/smooveLex (https://twitter.com/smooveLex)
Yeo
https://twitter.com/ValpoBound5 (https://twitter.com/ValpoBound5)
Adekoya
http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php/2011-08-04-18-06-26/207-jubril-adekoya-talks-valpo-signing (http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php/2011-08-04-18-06-26/207-jubril-adekoya-talks-valpo-signing)
https://twitter.com/JBoogie_Rocks (https://twitter.com/JBoogie_Rocks)
Peters is at
https://twitter.com/petersalec (https://twitter.com/petersalec)
where it doesn't seem to specifically stated that he signed - but it seems like all
signals are "go".
And, he was pretty excited that his math teacher let his class watch the NIU game (and tweet about it!).
And Davidson who reportedly doesn't tweet.
Was Peters waiting to sign after school got out in a big signing party at school? Even if he signed it this morning, and mailed it, they send extra copies for the school signing party event for local media and high school friends.
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/article_85841b8f-8419-5076-9008-fc8718a3b9c0.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/basketball/college/article_85841b8f-8419-5076-9008-fc8718a3b9c0.html)
Davidson signed...
This class is going to do some really great things in the next four years!
I believe Peters is scheduled to have an official signing later today, which will complete the signings of a terrific incoming class of freshmen.
Awesome news to have them all on board. Also great to see that they communicate freely with each other on Twitter already, and seem to be building up a bond before even touching campus
The VU Athletic site just released a story of 4 signees. Peter is not among them. Why would they not wait for a delayed signing?
Update: Peters says he will sign his Valpo letter of intent tomorrow. Apparently, he has been waiting for his parents to get home from an out of town trip.
For those looking for good news after last night's Nebraska game, I can report that Alec Peters just signed his Valpo letter of intent, and all of the impressive incoming class are now on board to start in 2013!
Congratulations to our 5 future Crusader stars - Jubril, Clay, Alec, Lexus and Nick! My best to all of you for a fun and exciting senior season.
Why hasn't there been an official release concerning Peters signing? Makes you want to say Huh??
He did confirm that he signed on Twitter, but it was delayed because his parents were out of town.
http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php/2011-08-04-18-06-26/226-alec-peters-excited-to-join-valpo (http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php/2011-08-04-18-06-26/226-alec-peters-excited-to-join-valpo)
Alec Peters Excited To Join Valpo
Category: Latest News
Published on Saturday, 17 November 2012 05:17
Written by Scott Burgess
Valparaiso landed a monster recruiting class in 2013 led by three Illinois prospects. Their biggest get might have been Washington High School small forward Alec Peters.
He is an elite shooter with great size and a strong body. He became one of the biggest recruiting battles of the summer and fall before his commitment to Valpo. Friday night Peters made it official and had his signing ceremony.
"It feels great!!! Time to start playing ball now!! Feels great to officially join the Valpo family!"
He is excited to play with his incoming freshman class.
"I can't wait. Lex, Jubril, Clay, and Nick are all guys I can't wait to start playing with. We expect to do some big things there and really feel like we will have a great chemistry right away."
Quote from: vu72 on November 19, 2012, 09:32:13 AM
Why hasn't there been an official release concerning Peters signing? Makes you want to say Huh??
"Patience, Grasshopper." Peters signed late Friday. In the meantime, there has been a weekend during which the basketball team has been on the road the whole time. Valpo can't say anything until the coaching staff receives the letter of intent in hand, plus Bryce has been a bit busy at Nebraska and Kent State. ;)
Quote from: valpopal on November 19, 2012, 10:08:28 AM
Quote from: vu72 on November 19, 2012, 09:32:13 AM
Why hasn't there been an official release concerning Peters signing? Makes you want to say Huh??
"Patience, Grasshopper." Peters signed late Friday. In the meantime, there has been a weekend during which the basketball team has been on the road the whole time. Valpo can't say anything until the coaching staff receives the letter of intent in hand, plus Bryce has been a bit busy at Nebraska and Kent State. ;)
Well, OK, another valium and I'll be fine... ;)
Bryce did need to get the LOI in hand first, before he could pass along any information to Aaron and the Sports Info staff, who were all busy with events going on this weekend. Aaron was probably in Nebraska and Ohio, one GA was probably in Indy with the women's basketball team, and the other might have been with volleyball, or one of the other sports.
A short video clip from Alec's NLI signing:
http://centralillinoisproud.com/fulltext?nxd_id=287972 (http://centralillinoisproud.com/fulltext?nxd_id=287972)
Nice Valpo shirt!!
Andrean beats Roosevelt by 55 in opener
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/andrean-beats-roosevelt-by-in-opener/article_5e71fc55-9934-568b-aeab-a2acb2669357.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/andrean-beats-roosevelt-by-in-opener/article_5e71fc55-9934-568b-aeab-a2acb2669357.html)
Several action photos of Davidson in the on-line article
Andrean senior guard Nick Davidson had 12 first-quarter points and 16 at the half with Valparaiso University coach Bryce Drew looking on. Davidson signed with the Crusaders on Wednesday.
He said it was about the fifth time that Drew saw him play. Davidson finished with a team-high 18 points with six rebounds and three steals.
Peters reportedly had 25 points and 11 rebounds in his first game last night with coach Powell there to watch him.
Okay - so any of these guys going to start as freshman?
Quote from: Smj on November 22, 2012, 02:08:06 PMOkay - so any of these guys going to start is freshman?
I've tried, but it's impossible to read your line in anything other than an Eastern European accent.
As far as next year (even though it is way too early)...it might be hard when we could field all returning players like so:
1--Dority
2--Coleman
3--Rossi
4--Fernandez or Chadwick
5--Capobianco
But sure, anything is possible, since we are bringing in guys that could play 1-5...
Too funny on the accent. I read an article somewhere that said this freshman group could have an immediate impact on the program. Just made me wonder if people were thinking someone would be a starter... Watched some youtube videos and they definitely look like a good grouping of talent.
Quote from: Smj on November 22, 2012, 03:43:00 PM
Too funny on the accent. I read an article somewhere that said this freshman group could have an immediate impact on the program. Just made me wonder if people were thinking someone would be a starter... Watched some youtube videos and they definitely look like a good grouping of talent.
wouldn't surprise me at all to see a couple of next year's freshmen crack the starting lineup. maybe not at the start of the year, but by the end of the year, quite possibly. but they should have an impact from day 1. too bad we aren't eligible for another early season tourney for a couple more years. getting them all gelled together in august would be huge.
Yeo had 25 points in Triton's opening game last night.
yeah--everyone knows the "emphasis" is on this year, and we will do some great things, but next year, we will be just as deep:
1--Dority / Lexus Williams
2--Coleman / Nick Davidson
3--Rossi / Clay Yeo
4--Fernandez / Alec Peters
5--Capobianco / Jubril Adekoya
To say nothing of Chadwick, who could play 3 & 4 (and others above could double as well, but just to point out we could easily go 9 deep next year too!
You are correct, but next year every back up you listed will be a freshman. A very talented freshman, but still a freshman.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on November 22, 2012, 09:13:34 PM
yeah--everyone knows the "emphasis" is on this year, and we will do some great things, but next year, we will be just as deep:
1--Dority / Lexus Williams
2--Coleman / Nick Davidson
3--Rossi / Clay Yeo
4--Fernandez / Alec Peters
5--Capobianco / Jubril Adekoya
To say nothing of Chadwick, who could play 3 & 4 (and others above could double as well, but just to point out we could easily go 9 deep next year too!
Pretty good depth chart, but I'd make a few adjustments. I'd prefer Fernandez/Chadwick at the 5, Capobianco/Adekoya at the 4. Also, I think Peters would be great at the 3, possibly as the starter, and I believe Rossi is better as backup to Coleman at the 2 position. Obviously, much of this will be determined by the results we see throughout the season by our present players, and there are still two important roster spots that might go to impact transfers.
That is true, Pal, but I don't think Chadwick's game is well-suited for the 5. Although, what do we know? We haven't seen him suit up yet, and won't for months :/
Point being that we won't rebuild next year.
WE RELOADIN'
This thread is getting long....
Sorry if this has already been posted but yesterday i was able to find some great game videos on the internet. (not just recruiting clips showing their best plays. Alec, lexus and jubril had full games online. Great to see because it shows actual game footage instead of the couple amazing plays.
Alec:
http://www.highschoolcube.com/event/south-miami-vs-washington-2012-state-farm-tourname-302187 (http://www.highschoolcube.com/event/south-miami-vs-washington-2012-state-farm-tourname-302187)
http://www.highschoolcube.com/schools/washington-community-high-school-washington-illinois/channels/athletics/basketball/boys-basketball (http://www.highschoolcube.com/schools/washington-community-high-school-washington-illinois/channels/athletics/basketball/boys-basketball)
Lexus
http://www.highschoolcube.com/highlight/lexus-williams-hits-a-huge-thr-2407 (http://www.highschoolcube.com/highlight/lexus-williams-hits-a-huge-thr-2407)
(killer ending - even though announcer loses his composure)
Jubril
http://www.highschoolcube.com/highlight/andrew-s-jubril-adekoya-nails--2460 (http://www.highschoolcube.com/highlight/andrew-s-jubril-adekoya-nails--2460)
http://www.highschoolcube.com/schools/victor-j-andrew-high-school-tinley-park-illinois (http://www.highschoolcube.com/schools/victor-j-andrew-high-school-tinley-park-illinois)
Nick
http://vimeo.com/m/39898424 (http://vimeo.com/m/39898424)
Clay
http://touch.dailymotion.com/video/xpd4ch_region-sportsdesk-triton-vs-marquette-bball-sectional-51-championship-2012_sport (http://touch.dailymotion.com/video/xpd4ch_region-sportsdesk-triton-vs-marquette-bball-sectional-51-championship-2012_sport)
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=nzkkfZKcb1M&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DnzkkfZKcb1M (http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=nzkkfZKcb1M&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DnzkkfZKcb1M)
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I9QG0QiGAYM (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=I9QG0QiGAYM)
Quote from: vu72 on November 19, 2012, 10:39:28 AM
Quote from: valpopal on November 19, 2012, 10:08:28 AM
Quote from: vu72 on November 19, 2012, 09:32:13 AM
Why hasn't there been an official release concerning Peters signing? Makes you want to say Huh??
"Patience, Grasshopper." Peters signed late Friday. In the meantime, there has been a weekend during which the basketball team has been on the road the whole time. Valpo can't say anything until the coaching staff receives the letter of intent in hand, plus Bryce has been a bit busy at Nebraska and Kent State. ;)
Well, OK, another valium and I'll be fine... ;)
The official announcement about Peters is now on the Valpo Athletics web site:
. . . Peters, a 6'7" forward, averaged nearly 18 points per game last season as a junior for Washington, while also grabbing better than six rebounds per contest. Peters helped lead Washington to 26 victories and a berth in the 3A Peoria Sectional title game last season. A career 43% 3-point shooter, Peters has already made 121 career triples and also shot 87% from the free throw line in 2011-2012.
"We're very excited to be able to welcome Alec as part of the Valpo family," said Drew. "Alec fits our program perfectly – he is an extremely skilled player, one of the best shooters in the state of Illinois and is a tremendous student as well."
http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2012-13/12204/valpo-mens-basketball-signs-peters-to-round-out-recruiting-class/ (http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2012-13/12204/valpo-mens-basketball-signs-peters-to-round-out-recruiting-class/)
On the night of Valpo's official announcement that Alec Peters had signed his letter of intent, Alec scores 40 points!
Quote from: valpopal on November 23, 2012, 11:21:53 PM
On the night of Valpo's official announcement that Alec Peters had signed his letter of intent, Alec scores 40 points!
http://www.highschoolcube.com/event/washington-vs-peoria-notre-dame-2012-state-farm-to-302196 (http://www.highschoolcube.com/event/washington-vs-peoria-notre-dame-2012-state-farm-to-302196)
(Washington is tghe "visitor" on the scoreboard due to the tournament despite the game being played at Washington, IL HS)
They do mention quite a bit that Alec is going to Valpo. Some really nice publicity to the Chicago and downstate Illinois communities about the kind of talent Valpo is attracting.
Davidson has monster game:
Andrean boys finish strong in 3A grudge match
Steve Hanlon steve.hanlon@nwi.com
Andrean 78, Lew Wallace 65
Nick Davidson scored 26 points to lead the 59ers.
MERRILLVILLE | Inside a minute to play Tuesday night, Andrean coach Carson Cunningham and Lew Wallace coach Melvin Yancey were at midcourt jawing at each other.
The "discussion" lasted long enough for the officials to come over and end it.
Things like this happen when the No. 3 team in the state, Andrean, and the Class 3A No. 11 Hornets, get together for a little hoop throw down.
It was the game regionites wanted to see last March in the regional. It never happened as the Hornets lost in the semifinal.
But there was an edge to this game, won by Times No. 2 Andrean 78-65.
"They came into our house and disrespected us," Andrean senior D.J. Gonzalez said. "They played dirty. We felt like we were disrespected, so we responded."
Gonzalez spoke of teammate Ben Davidson, who left to get stitches after a shot to the face in the first half. It was Gonzalez, though, who had two huge steals in the fourth quarter that he took the other way and converted to keep the Hornets (1-1) at arm's length away.
The game was tied at 39 with two minutes left in the third quarter. Twice Wallace had the ball with a chance to take a lead but couldn't make it happen. The Hornets had 23 turnovers on the night.
The 59ers (2-0) had 20 assists, with Valparaiso University signee Nick Davidson leading the way. He had 26 points, nine rebounds, seven assists and six steals.
"Nick had a monster game," Cunningham said. "That's why I keep saying this. He is the most efficient and productive guard in the state."
Cunningham also praised Skyler Moss, who scored 19 points and had seven rebounds and kept the Hornets' big men in foul trouble.
It was a one-point game when Montrell Humphrey left with his fourth foul in the third quarter. When he returned, the lead had jumped out to eight for the hosts.
"That gave them a bounce," Yancey said.
The 59ers were 22-of-28 from the line and were in the double bonus with 10 seconds left in the third quarter. The Hornets were 10-of-15.
"We have to learn to play four quarters of good basketball," Yancey said. "Our half-court defense was suspect. We have a lot of room to grow and I believe we will. Andrean is a good ball club.
"We have to cut down on our turnovers and do a better job ballhandling. And we will."
Charles Cooper led Wallace with 19 points. Keante Bridges added 17.
With the mentioning of the Andrean coach, it got me thinking that over the last 8 seasons or so at DePaul (Men's Basketball), has the best coach on campus been in the History Department? I always thought he was a coach on the floor in his time at Purdue.
59ers (2-0) had 20 assists, with Valparaiso University signee Nick Davidson leading the way. He had 26 points, nine rebounds, seven assists and six steals.
"Nick had a monster game," Cunningham said. "That's why I keep saying this. He is the most efficient and productive guard in the state."
Collectively, these are crazy numbers for a 32-minute game - 1 rebound short of a D/D, and flirting with a T/D. If he continues to put up numbers like this, he's a shoo-in for the IN All-Star team (despite the anti-Region bias).
any chance we might be able to go after that forward also mentioned in the article? we could use a little more interior depth in the coming years.
Skylar Moss is a load. Unfortunately he is about 6'4". At 235 pounds he punishes people in the post. He has an assortment of lowpost moves that collects fouls from the opposition. He doesnt play taller that 6'4" as he is not a leaper, but has outstanding footwork and strength. Think of a non leaping Charles Barkley or Adrian Dantley.
Because of his height he will probably end up NAIA. He will play in college, it is a matter of finding the right fit for him.
lowposter
Did I see a MattCarter tweet that Adekoya went for 33 and 19 tonight?! The kid was on twitter apologizing for letting the fans down since they lost. What a team first attitude, expect nothing less of a Valpo recruit.
Quote from: HC on November 30, 2012, 09:49:22 PM
Did I see a MattCarter tweet that Adekoya went for 33 and 19 tonight?! The kid was on twitter apologizing for letting the fans down since they lost. What a team first attitude, expect nothing less of a Valpo recruit.
Here is what I saw:
Andrew Basketball @tboltbasketball
Bolts fall 59-53 to Thornton
Adekoya-33 (17-19 FT school record) 21 boards school record Great crowd/rally
Quote from: HC on November 30, 2012, 09:49:22 PM
Did I see a MattCarter tweet that Adekoya went for 33 and 19 tonight?! The kid was on twitter apologizing for letting the fans down since they lost. What a team first attitude, expect nothing less of a Valpo recruit.
Thornton 59, Andrew 53
Justin Taylor had 21 points and 7 rebounds for Thornton.
Jubril Adekoya had a career-high 33 points and school-record 21 rebounds in the Andrew (1-4) loss.
Another MONSTER game by one of our high profile recruits. I've never seen anything like this before from Valpo recruits - and the season is just underway. :o
Not to be outdone, Yeo scores 31:
NorthWood holds off Triton in season opener
Posted: 11/30/2012 at 11:20 pm
NAPPANEE — NorthWood needed to burn just 53 seconds to win its season opener, but Triton wasn't making it easy.
Every time the Panthers crossed mid court, the Trojans swarmed. Three times, Triton wrapped up NorthWood guards at the top of the key. Three times, NorthWood burned frustrated timeouts.
With 23.7 seconds left, a 2-point lead and no timeouts left to save them, Panther guard Tommy Klem broke through the Triton wall and found Zach Zurcher under the basket.
Zurcher's layup kissed the glass, securing a 66-62 NorthWood win.
"It felt so good," Zurcher said of that final shot. "Everyone goes crazy, to know we're about to get that win in that first game."
When Triton's Clay Yeo and Tanner Shepherd took control to score 52 of the Trojans' 62 points, Zurcher and Jonathan Wilkinson fought back to score 42 of NorthWood's 66 points.
Yeo seemed unstoppable for most of the game, scoring 31 points, including a perfect 4-4 from the free throw line and three 3-pointers.
Zurcher said Yeo's 32-point performance against NorthWood in last year's opener had been a focus in practice during the week. Considering the Panthers held him to 31 points this time around, call it a minor success.
Triton — Clay Yeo 12-20 4-4 31,
Not sure yet how much he scored or if he sat much of the game while the second team played, but Alec Peters' Washington team won over East Peoria this evening by the score of 66-8; halftime score was 40-0!
Quote from: valpopal on December 01, 2012, 09:36:27 PM
Not sure yet how much he scored or if he sat much of the game while the second team played, but Alec Peters' Washington team won over East Peoria this evening by the score of 66-8; halftime score was 40-0!
Must have been very bitter sweet for Jason Jenkins, a graduate of East Peoria High.
EP can look to improve on that bitter taste of total defeat on Jan.25 because they play the Panthers again at Washington.
Quote from: valpopal on December 01, 2012, 09:36:27 PM
Not sure yet how much he scored or if he sat much of the game while the second team played, but Alec Peters' Washington team won over East Peoria this evening by the score of 66-8; halftime score was 40-0!
Looks like Peters scored 16 points in limited action as nine players on his team scored. Most points scored by a player for East Peoria: 2!
Washington basketball wins at East Peoria, 66-8
EAST PEORIA —
Washington boys basketball coach Kevin Brown is known around the coaching circle as a defensive guru, but Saturday night's effort may have been his team's best ever.
The Panthers held East Peoria scoreless for more than the first two quarters in a 66-8 Mid-Illini Conference victory.
The point total for East Peoria (1-5, 0-1) was the team's lowest since the Journal Star began keeping game-by-game records in 1956-57.
In a game that Washington could've overlooked on the schedule, its intensity was on display from the opening tip.
"We've got seven seniors, and the easiest way to stress that is, if those seniors don't make sure that we're ready to go, then there's a situation where we're going to plateau somewhere in there," Brown said.
Washington (5-0, 1-0) scored the first 40 points of the game, and didn't allow East Peoria to get on the scoreboard until the 7:16 mark of the third quarter.
The Raiders finished 4-for-35 from the field, 0-for-10 from on 3-pointers and 0-for-9 from the free-throw line.
"They're good, and this is the basketball hotbed of Illinois, and to be the best team in the hotbed, you've got to be pretty good," East Peoria coach Matt Wright said. "Even the guys (who) aren't huge contributors still do things exactly the way they're supposed to do them."
Seniors Alec Peters and Mason McCoy led nine Washington scorers with 16 points apiece. Senior Tucker Harlan added 14 points for the Panthers, who showed their ability to play as a team.
"The biggest thing about this entire game was unselfishness, whether it be offense or defense," Brown said. "A lot of times in a game like this, people just start firing shots, so you lose who you are. I thought our kids did a great job tonight of staying for 32 minutes of who we are."
That unselfishness led to some open opportunities on the offensive end, and a high shooting percentage for Washington. The Panthers finished at 53 percent (23-for-43) from the floor, and 15-for-19 from the free-throw line.
Four players scored two points apiece for East Peoria.
Josh Herman can be reached at 686-3214 or jherman@pjstar.com.
Andrean comeback stuns Bowman
John Luke | The Times
MERRILLVILLE | Never say die was the theme on Saturday night inside a packed gymnasium at 5959 Broadway, as two of the region's top powers faced off for the first time ever.
Times No. 2 Andrean erased an 18-point second-half deficit and went on to defeat No. 5 Bowman 73-68 on Saturday night.
"It was a really hard-fought game," Andrean coach Carson Cunningham said. "I was impressed with our guys, they stuck with it. Many of them have been playing varsity for several years. We were down and they looked at me and said, 'Coach, we've got this.'"
When asked if he gave his team any kind of Knute Rockne speech during a timeout in the final 16 minutes, the Andrean coach went into Carson Cunningham mode.
"Hey, we're not plitting the atom here," Cunningham said. "We're not bouncing proteins off each other. We picked up our defense and I told the guys if they had a clean look, 'Knock the apple down.'"
Nick Davidson led the stunning for the 59ers (3-0). The Valparaiso University-bound point guard was ice from the free-throw line, hitting 20 of 21 for the game, including 14 of 14 in the second half.
He finished with 28 points, including 23 in the second half.
Bowman (0-3) missed 14 free throws in the fourth quarter and was 14-of-33 from the line for the game. Andrean was 15-of-17 from the line in the fourth quarter and outscored the Eagles 32-12.
"That was the game," Bowman coach Marvin Rea said. "We're a young team and we have to learn how to win games. Free throws was the game. They knocked down theres, we didn't."
Andrean's Collin Wojcik's 3-pointer with three minutes left tied the game at 63 and Andrean never relinquished the lead after that. It was Wojcik's first game of the year after sitting out with an injured ankle.
Skyler Moss contributed 18 points and 12 rebounds for the 59ers after settling down from early foul trouble.
Bowman's Antonio Pipkin led his team with 18, Justin King added 17, Davon Dillard scored 12 and D'Mario Smith had 10.
"Bowman has a great team," Cunningham said. "This was just a great comeback by my guys. I'm very proud of them."
Have to love good FT shooters!
Impressive win by Andrean. Davidson certainly can shoot FTs!. That is a very experienced 59er squad.
The big man, Skylar Moss continued to inflict damage in the lane with a double double. He is a load, unfortunately a tad undersized.
Sounds like the incoming class is having a great start to their senior season.
lowposter
"Nick Davidson led the stunning for the 59ers..."??????
He's wicked with the tazer, I guess.
??? ::)
Quote from: StlVUFan on December 02, 2012, 12:48:56 PM
"Nick Davidson led the stunning for the 59ers..."??????
He's wicked with the tazer, I guess.
??? ::)
Give the writer a break. After all, he's not "plitting" atoms. ;)
Quote from: wh on December 02, 2012, 01:35:50 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on December 02, 2012, 12:48:56 PM
"Nick Davidson led the stunning for the 59ers..."??????
He's wicked with the tazer, I guess.
??? ::)
Give the writer a break. After all, he's not "plitting" atoms. ;)
Or "bouncing 'proteins' off each other". Where did this guy screw up a fun comment from the coach?
Local paper talking about last nights game with Clay and his team.
The Trojans jumped on them early with a 16-2 run and never let off of the accelerator. Clay Yeo started the scoring with a breakaway dunk which got the crowd going. He dropped in 36 points along with eight rebounds, three assists, two blocks and three steals for a nice all-around game.
Triton's defense helped hold the Warriors to only 13 points in the first half as the Trojans led 45-13 at the break.
It was more of the same in the third as they were able to push their lead out to 65-24, which let them go deep in their bench for most of the fourth quarter.
Final 75-44 ;)
Quote from: lowposter on December 02, 2012, 07:02:48 AM
Davidson certainly can shoot FTs!.
He made 20 of his 28 points from the line? Is this common in high school?
20 free throws is a pretty good month for most high schoolers!
I don't think 20 points from the free-throw line is normal, but depending on the opponent, and what the game plan, can't say it isn't unusual for some players to keep driving on the same weak opponent for layups, get fouled, and go to the free-throw line time and again.
20 points from the line is almost unheard of in a "normal" high school game. But Bowman likes to play full throttle at all times, I'm sure Nick was fouled even more than the times he actually was sent to the free throw line.
Quote from: lowposter on December 05, 2012, 04:10:54 PM
20 free throws is a pretty good month for most high schoolers!
it'd probably be a pretty good month for dwight howard too. ooh, too soon?
It doesn't appear that scoring will be a problem in the future:
- Jubril Adekoya had a career-high 33 points and school-record 21 rebounds
- He (Clay) dropped in 36 points along with eight rebounds, three assists, two blocks and three steals for a nice all-around game.
- The Valparaiso University-bound point guard (Nick) was ice from the free-throw line, hitting 20 of 21 for the game, including 14 of 14 in the second half.
He finished with 28 points, including 23 in the second half.
- On the night of Valpo's official announcement that Alec Peters had signed his letter of intent, Alec scores 40 points!
An avg. of 34 ppt in a 32 min. game = 42 in a 40 min. game. Not bad!
We're going to need another ball.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 05, 2012, 08:01:13 PM
We're going to need another ball.
I'm not going to name names, but some of these new recruits will not be scoring anywhere close to what they did in HS.
Quote from: milanmiracle on December 06, 2012, 11:52:19 AM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 05, 2012, 08:01:13 PM
We're going to need another ball.
I'm not going to name names, but some of these new recruits will not be scoring anywhere close to what they did in HS.
I totally agree. It's a lot different game from high school to Div. I. On the other hand would you rather have the guy putting up 30+ points in high school or the guy scoring 10-15 points in high school.
Quote from: milanmiracle on December 06, 2012, 11:52:19 AMI'm not going to name names, but some of these new recruits will not be scoring anywhere close to what they did in HS.
Oh I totally agree. I was joking per usual.
It's ever thus--look at the dropoff from college to the pros--same thing. Everyone's always a scorer in biddy ball, and then as they "level up" they either learn how do do the gritty things, or get cut. There just isn't room for everyone to be a scorer.
I don't remember Valpo every having a player that averaged anywhere close to what they did in H.S. Tracy Gipson and Casey Schmidt were probably the closest. If my memory is correct Bryce averaged 25 a game in his Sr. year at VHS, but never more than 19 a game at VU.
Quote from: chef on December 06, 2012, 01:26:29 PM
I don't remember Valpo every having a player that averaged anywhere close to what they did in H.S. Tracy Gipson and Casey Schmidt were probably the closest. If my memory is correct Bryce averaged 25 a game in his Sr. year at VHS, but never more than 19 a game at VU.
Perhaps Chris Ensminger.
Quote from: milanmiracle on December 06, 2012, 11:52:19 AM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 05, 2012, 08:01:13 PM
We're going to need another ball.
I'm not going to name names, but some of these new recruits will not be scoring anywhere close to what they did in HS.
Then again, Loyola Marymount averaged 122 points a game for an entire season in 1990. ;)
Still amazes me to think about it...
Quote from: IndyValpo on December 06, 2012, 02:43:56 PM
Quote from: chef on December 06, 2012, 01:26:29 PM
I don't remember Valpo every having a player that averaged anywhere close to what they did in H.S. Tracy Gipson and Casey Schmidt were probably the closest. If my memory is correct Bryce averaged 25 a game in his Sr. year at VHS, but never more than 19 a game at VU.
Perhaps Chris Ensminger.
Chris Ensminger? He didn't even play varsity basketball until his senior year in high school. He was recruited based on his summer performance. I seem to recall maybe 14 points per game as a high school senior? Chris was a big gamble that paid off. But if you know anyone who saw one of his first college games, in a tournament at Baylor, ask about the significance of the name Andre Branch. Bonus points to anyone who can say what Andre Branch did to Chris Ensminger.
Quote from: wh on December 06, 2012, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: milanmiracle on December 06, 2012, 11:52:19 AM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 05, 2012, 08:01:13 PM
We're going to need another ball.
I'm not going to name names, but some of these new recruits will not be scoring anywhere close to what they did in HS.
Then again, Loyola Marymount averaged 122 points a game for an entire season in 1990. ;)
Still amazes me to think about it...
By far one of my top 5 favorite teams of all time! If Hank would have lived, they'd have won the whole thing. They had shooters, defenders, athletes and two pure scorers in Kimbal the Gathers. They were still a great team after Hank died, but they were special with him.
If anybody wants to see great defense, go watch UNLV from the same timeframe.
Quote from: milanmiracle on December 06, 2012, 06:31:45 PM
Quote from: wh on December 06, 2012, 04:22:41 PM
Quote from: milanmiracle on December 06, 2012, 11:52:19 AM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 05, 2012, 08:01:13 PM
We're going to need another ball.
I'm not going to name names, but some of these new recruits will not be scoring anywhere close to what they did in HS.
Then again, Loyola Marymount averaged 122 points a game for an entire season in 1990. ;)
Still amazes me to think about it...
By far one of my top 5 favorite teams of all time! If Hank would have lived, they'd have won the whole thing. They had shooters, defenders, athletes and two pure scorers in Kimbal the Gathers. They were still a great team after Hank died, but they were special with him.
If anybody wants to see great defense, go watch UNLV from the same timeframe.
Not only that, but UNLV beat them at their own game, if I recall correctly.
GOOGLEWHACK!
Searching for "andre branch" "chris ensminger" gets you that rara avis, the GOOGLEWHACK!
...which however is not helpful for answering the above question, unfortunately.
I know we have a few posters that follow NWI HS hoops. Does anyone know anything about Zack VanHook from Lowell? Is he someone we might want to consider?
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/lowell-s-zack-vanhook-stepping-into-some-big-shoes/article_d6a17590-8fa5-5e28-bd8e-c88fd85f3258.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/lowell-s-zack-vanhook-stepping-into-some-big-shoes/article_d6a17590-8fa5-5e28-bd8e-c88fd85f3258.html)
QuoteVanHook has heard from Cornell, Stetson, Alabama-Huntsville and Texas A&M-Corpus Christi.
Eh...pass. The next Scott Blum?
Reports on Friday's games:
Alec Peters scored 22 points in just about 10 minutes of play in the first half (7-7 from the field), sat most of the second half in foul trouble (46 fouls were called in the game), and wound up with 26 points as his team won easily, 58-32.
Jubril Adekoya had 19 points, including a couple of power dunks, and 16 rebounds in his team's victory over the previously unbeaten Stagg, 66-56.
Lexus Williams of Marist scored 7 points and had 9 rebounds in a loss to an elite Notre Dame team, 65-51. Apparently, Marist's leading inside player is out for the season with an injury, which means Williams needs to do more rebounding. According to his coach: "Rebounding is an issue for us, and it's not going away. It is going to have to be everybody's job. Size is an issue for us."
Quote from: valpopal on December 08, 2012, 12:23:22 AMAccording to his coach: "Rebounding is an issue for us, and it's not going away. It is going to have to be everybody's job. Size is an issue for us."
Sounds like he wants an LX:
(http://image.motortrend.com/f/auto_shows/sema/2011/1110_sema_2011_lexus_lx_570/35637583+w623+h388+cr1+ar0/Lexus-LX-570-by-JT-Grey-Racing-front-three-quarter.JPG.jpg)
but our Lexus is more of an IS C:
(http://i.t.com.com/i/lumiere/2009/10/13/ct10_lexus350c-720-50078153-20091013_121703-320x240.jpg)
OH YEAH FOLKS GET READY FOR THE NEXT FIVE YEARS OF THIS
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 06, 2012, 08:11:30 PM
GOOGLEWHACK!
Searching for "andre branch" "chris ensminger" gets you that rara avis, the GOOGLEWHACK!
...which however is not helpful for answering the above question, unfortunately.
Thanks for the effort, LaPorte.
Andre Branch jumped OVER Chris Ensminger for a dunk. Chris was probably midway between the free throw line and the hoop. I believe it was the first game of Ensminger's career, when he was all legs and NO upper body at all. I'm pretty sure VU played Centenary in the second game the next day at the Dr. Pepper Classic, and won. The stories I wrote back then (1993?) are not archived online anywhere, because there was no such thing as "online" back then.
Quote from: Valpo89 on December 08, 2012, 01:58:26 PMThe stories I wrote back then (1993?)
Pjank, is that you?
I think a few years later you would blame my rock band for a Vikings loss to KV, speaking of things that aren't on the interwebs but should be :)
Nick Davidson's 28 points helps 59ers take the Battle of Broadway
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/nick-davidson-s-points-helps-ers-take-the-battle-of/article_48f8801d-652e-506f-8e8e-3d8702009776.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/nick-davidson-s-points-helps-ers-take-the-battle-of/article_48f8801d-652e-506f-8e8e-3d8702009776.html)
We have some real solid guys coming in. Nice to not have to rebuild.
So... I watched some of these recruits playing and what I liked the most is something that they probably will stop doing in college ball. Mid-range jumpers, and some of them look good at them. (it is a lost art at the college level - I think players are told to step back and take the three - i say, step forward a bunch and increase your odds.)
i think we have a great few years ahead of us - Starting in a few days when conference games start...
Last night, Alec Peters' Washington team played a good opponent that apparently tried a slow-down approach, but Washington won 33-20. Interestingly, Peters was matched against a highly-regarded Northwestern recruit, Nathan Taphorn, and despite the slowdown Peters scored a double-double (13 points on 6-10 from the field and 10 rebounds). Defensively, Taphorn was kept to 0-8 on field goal attempts and held scoreless for the first time in his three years as a varsity player. Perhaps this is an indication Peters can play some defense as well!
Quote from: valpopal on December 09, 2012, 05:39:26 PM
Last night, Alec Peters' Washington team played a good opponent that apparently tried a slow-down approach, but Washington won 33-20. Interestingly, Peters was matched against a highly-regarded Northwestern recruit, Nathan Taphorn, and despite the slowdown Peters scored a double-double (13 points on 6-10 from the field and 10 rebounds). Defensively, Taphorn was kept to 0-8 on field goal attempts and held scoreless for the first time in his three years as a varsity player. Perhaps this is an indication Peters can play some defense as well!
This game on hscube?
I have seen Taphorn...he can flat out shoot. Those low scoring games are not much fun.
BTW, Andrean keeps rolling. There are game highlights on You Tube. Nick Davidson had another great game. The Merrillville team is explosively talented, not much size, but the jets go from 0 to 60 in blink of the eye.
lowposter
Quote from: lowposter on December 11, 2012, 11:10:58 AM
I have seen Taphorn...he can flat out shoot. Those low scoring games are not much fun.
BTW, Andrean keeps rolling. There are game highlights on You Tube. Nick Davidson had another great game. The Merrillville team is explosively talented, not much size, but the jets go from 0 to 60 in blink of the eye.
lowposter
Any highlights of the Merrillville vs. Andrean game anywhere? The highlights I have seen of Nick Davidson weren't all that great (meaning the highlights) but he seemed fine. The YouTube video I saw was mostly of him shooting free throws. I need to see more against better competition
Quote from: milanmiracle on December 11, 2012, 02:56:35 PMI need to see more against better competition
May I suggest something in a November 2013, monsieur?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 11, 2012, 03:27:58 PM
Quote from: milanmiracle on December 11, 2012, 02:56:35 PMI need to see more against better competition
May I suggest something in a November 2013, monsieur?
Very nice...got me to chuckle.
Hopefully I can see more of him before then, either that or I'll have to check out an Andrean game.
You Tube highlight video from the Andrean's O.T. win over Merrillville. Nick scored 26 of his 28 points in the 2nd half and O.T.
Nick is No. 15 in red. Not much to see until the 8:20 mark of the video, where it says "Nick Davidson steps up in crunch time." From that point to the end is where he did all his damage, including scoring the winning basket on a put back of a missed free throw.
Region Sportsdesk- Merrillville vs Andrean (BBall 2012) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4HaHU4PXNI#ws)
Triton dominates second half
Posted: 12/12/2012 at 1:15 am
WATERFORD MILLS — Leading perennial state power Triton by three at halftime, the Bethany Christian Bruins were thinking upset.
But led by All-State candidate Clay Yeo, the Trojans outscored Bethany 49-10 in the second half and cruised to a 72-36 victory.
The Valparaso University-bound Yeo scored 37 points to lead the Triton turnaround, while teammate Tanner Shepherd added 17.
The Bruins, who host their own Holiday Tournament on Saturday, were led by Caleb Morris' 15 points.
No. 1 Andrean 73, Wheeler 53
Nick Davidson led the way with a game-high 24 points.
Andrean led 40-23 at halftime, with much of the damage coming from the early favorite for Player of the Year, Nick Davidson. The Valparaiso University signee had 17 points at the break. Like much of this luke-warm winter Davidson was unstoppable.
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/toporski-keeps-times-no-andrean-on-top/article_c84a017e-1104-5a66-afbf-77079675c42f.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/toporski-keeps-times-no-andrean-on-top/article_c84a017e-1104-5a66-afbf-77079675c42f.html)
Nick is averaging 25.2 ppg after 5 games (according to my unofficial calculations).
Clay is averaging 34 ppg after 4 games.
Nice to see Kevin Barnes of Wheeler doing well...I coached the grade school girls when he was on the grade school boys. He was good even then.
Quote from: wh on December 13, 2012, 11:47:53 PM
Clay is averaging 34 ppg after 4 games.
Here are cumulative stats for six games. http://www.amoraconsulting.net/clients/etpearl/school_info.php?id=1190&rost=1 (http://www.amoraconsulting.net/clients/etpearl/school_info.php?id=1190&rost=1)
Game by game results and box scores. http://www.amoraconsulting.net/clients/etpearl/school_info.php?id=1190&schd=1 (http://www.amoraconsulting.net/clients/etpearl/school_info.php?id=1190&schd=1)
I started this thread 1 year and 12 days ago. Amazing you guys have kept it going for so long. And my original intention was just to talk about the kid from LC, Tyler Wideman.
Quote from: Valpo89 on December 08, 2012, 01:58:26 PM. I'm pretty sure VU played Centenary in the second game the next day at the Dr. Pepper Classic, and won. The stories I wrote back then (1993?) are not archived online anywhere, because there was no such thing as "online" back then.
Game #2 of the 1992-93 season Dr. Pepper Classic @ Baylor (Bears 104-Vu 87); Game 2: Centenary 92, Valpo 89... we then came home to lose to Evansville by 7, beat Ball State... then lost to Brown, Niagara, Butler, Wright State and Northern Illinois on our way to a 12-16 season. Not sure what the question was...
Triton HS and Clay Yeo will play at New Prairie tonight (Dec 14) at 7:00 cst. This may be as close as they come into our area this season and the LaPorte county blizzards are not yet blowing, so something to consider. Nick Davidson and Andrean will also be playing tonight against Kankakee Valley at Wheatfield 7:30 and depending on my available time I might lean that direction.
I noticed that Triton had earlier played Plymouth with Triton losing 63-43. Yeo had 15 in that game and 6-9" Mack Mercer ( a junior that we have discussed before) had 19. So far Mercer has a 19.8 average and I think he may be still verbally uncommited?
Quote from: justducky on December 14, 2012, 12:36:08 PMTriton HS and Clay Yeo will play at New Prairie tonight (Dec 14) at 7:00 cst
Oops! That game is actually at Triton (Bourbon Indiana) and that would elliminate the short drive advantage. Sorry for the confusion.
Looks like Marist High School game is streaming on hscube tonight....
Alec Peters scores 31 points to keep his team undefeated: "...Washington led 21-17 with 4:52 to play in the half, then hit four 3-pointers in a row — three by Peters — to make it 33-17 with three minutes left."
http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1353220370/Washington-boys-prevail-over-the-Potters (http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1353220370/Washington-boys-prevail-over-the-Potters)
Clay Yeo again outscores opposing team with 29 points: "The Trojans outscored the Cougars 24-6 in the second half and Yeo netted 29 points in a 51-27 victory in the Northern State Conference opener for both teams. Senior star Yeo, for the second straight game, outscored the entire other team. The Valparaiso University recruit fired in 37 points Tuesday night during a 72-36 road win at Bethany Christian."
http://www.staceypageonline.com/2012/12/14/defense-plus-yeo-equal-triton-win/ (http://www.staceypageonline.com/2012/12/14/defense-plus-yeo-equal-triton-win/)
Nick Davidson leads all in scoring and rebounds in win: "To be honest, we've got a lot of things we need to work on," said Andrean senior guard Nick Davidson, who led all scorers with 24 points and pulled down a team-high eight rebounds. "Give Wheeler credit. They played really hard, but this wasn't one of our best efforts."
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/highschools/17001123-419/boys-basketball-niners-not-completely-pleased-with-win.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/highschools/17001123-419/boys-basketball-niners-not-completely-pleased-with-win.html)
Lexus Williams scores 14 and gets 7 steals in loss:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/ct-spt-1215-prep-bkb-st-viator-marist-20121214,0,1015069.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/ct-spt-1215-prep-bkb-st-viator-marist-20121214,0,1015069.story)
Jubril Adekoya leads team to victory: Andrew 49 Bradley 39, Adekoya 18 points, 14 boards [No link available yet]
Clay Yeo: WSBT Outstanding Student Athlete (Nice Video):
http://www.southbendtribune.com/sports/highschoolsports/wsbttv-outstanding-student-athlete-20121214,0,2541626.premiumvideo (http://www.southbendtribune.com/sports/highschoolsports/wsbttv-outstanding-student-athlete-20121214,0,2541626.premiumvideo)
For anybody who might now be ready to throw in the towel and focus on next year I see that Warsaw will travel to Triton for a Tuesday (Dec 18) night H.S. matchup at 6:30 central. Warsaw may be the best remaining regular season opponent on the Triton schedule and should be a real test for Clay Yeo's abilities and potential. Anybody up for chartering a bus? :)
I did make it to a Nick Davidson game and saw someone with an excellent 3 point stroke who if overplayed can actually drive toward the paint and if stopped pull up to take good looking 12 to 16 foot jumpers. I know that shot is relic from past generations but I am kind of hoping that our entire incoming class can shoot it like him. No they were not playing a great opponent but Andrean H.S. and Davidson were both very impressive.
Quote from: justducky on December 17, 2012, 11:47:29 PMFor anybody who might now be ready to throw in the towel and focus on next year I see that Warsaw will travel to Triton for a Tuesday (Dec 18) night H.S. matchup at 6:30 central. Warsaw may be the best remaining regular season opponent on the Triton schedule and should be a real test for Clay Yeo's abilities and potential. Anybody up for chartering a bus?
Why did I talk myself out of going? 17 lead changes, some last few second Yeo heroics, a controversial Yeo charging call which might have ended all Warsaw hope a minute earlier, Yeo with 33 of Tritons 49 points vs Warsaw with 47. Sounded like (from WRSW Warsaw) a number of local high school teams were there including Tippy Valley, Northwood and Plymouth and that Mack Mercer and the Plymouth team went on the floor to congratulate Yeo and the Trojans. But I decided to stay home :'(
Yeo has monster game in win over 4-A Warsaw:
http://www.staceypageonline.com/2012/12/18/yeo-lifts-trojans-in-thriller/ (http://www.staceypageonline.com/2012/12/18/yeo-lifts-trojans-in-thriller/)
I hope we are not overhyping these recruits but they do sound like players we could really use.
"My job is a lot easier having a player like Clay," said Triton coach Jason Groves. "You give him the ball and he will make something happen. He wanted the ball in his hands. He said coach give me the ball in that final timeout and I told him he didn't have to worry about that.
The final play saw Yeo get the ball, give it up to a teammate while losing his balance and nearly traveling, and then get it right back to launch his heroic final shot.
I have confidence in my self in those situations and I also trust my teammates. They got me the ball and set the screen and I give them a lot of credit. I just want to make the shot when given the opportunity like tonight and pay them back."
The Tigers led 40-35 early in the final quarter on a jumper by John Swanson. Triton rallied to take a 44-42 lead with 2:19 left on a clutch 3-pointer from the baseline by Darren Harrell, his only basket of the game, off a great pass from Yeo as he was double teamed.
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Quote from: bbtds on December 19, 2012, 01:56:17 AMHe said coach give me the ball in that final timeout and I told him he didn't have to worry about that.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on December 19, 2012, 11:28:17 AM
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Was thinking the same thing! Thanks!
Quote from: bbtds on December 19, 2012, 01:56:17 AM
I hope we are not overhyping these recruits but they do sound like players we could really use.
Posting game stories about our recruits is not "overhyping" them. Their performances, some of which have been spectacular, speak for themselves. That said, I think we all recognize that great high school performances don't automatically translate to greatness at the next level. Jay Harris, who averaged something like 28 or 29 points in his senior year in high school, is a good case in point.
Quote from: wh on December 19, 2012, 02:32:46 PMThat said, I think we all recognize that great high school performances don't automatically translate to greatness at the next level. Jay Harris, who averaged something like 28 or 29 points in his senior year in high school, is a good case in point.
I totally agree. Here's hoping one or two of the recruits turn out to be Ryan Broekhoffs instead of Jay Harrises.
I watched Clay a few times and i think his game will translate well into college level play....
FYI, Nick Davidson and the Andrean 59ers are traveling to Indy to take on the Space Pioneers of Northwest High School tomorrow/Saturday. I think I'll head to the east side (tournament is being played at John Marshall-38th and Mitthoefer) for this game and see one of Valpo's recruits who are doing all this scoring. Game time is 4:00 p.m. EST.
I remember a tornado landing directly across 38th street from John Marshall in an apartment complex a few years back. Many people I talked to thought the school had been wiped out after they gave the location of the tornado touchdown on TV.
It appears the big game at John Marshall will be the game tonight/Friday between Indy Pike and East St Louis at 9:30 p.m.
EDIT: I just realized that the Valpo game will last into Andrean's game at John Marshall so I will not be going to see Nick Davidson play.
I thought about seeing the 2nd half of the Andrean/Northwest game but never did make it. Maybe if I knew Tom Crean was there I might have gone
Here's the Times story on Andrean's win.
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/davidson-leads-andrean-in-total-team-win-in-indy/article_804def07-3d84-5518-8bb2-52f7686d5d21.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/davidson-leads-andrean-in-total-team-win-in-indy/article_804def07-3d84-5518-8bb2-52f7686d5d21.html)
Nick Davidson and his Andrean teammates were getting ready for Saturday's game at Indianapolis Marshall High School when the senior guard saw an old face walking toward him.
Indiana University coach Tom Crean walked over to greet the Munster lad. As a freshman, Crean invited Davidson down for a visit. It thrilled the kid.
"I've loved Indiana basketball since I was little," said Davidson, who has signed to play for Bryce Drew and Valparaiso next year.
Crean wished Davidson good luck and told him he'd followed this season and congratulated him on a great run so far.
But the fact Crean never gave a scholarship offer was a bit of motivation for Davidson as The Times No. 1 'Niners took on Indianapolis Northwest in IPSAC/Midwest Showcase.
"Maybe just a little bit," Davidson said. "Even if it's someone you respect, you want to show them that you have something worth watching."
Davidson played a splendid game in Andrean's 77-74 white-knuckle win over the Pioneers (3-3). He had 22 points and eight assists to earn the MVP trophy.
Northwest led 43-34 at the half.
"Whenever we have a bad first half we usually come out all fired up," Toporski said. "My guys did a great job kicking it out to me in the corner. This was a big win for us. They gave us a great game and we came back and got the win."
Crean can keep his cotton picking hands off our recruit! Bryce needs to schedule a game with IU in 4 years when Davidson is a senior. I'm sure Nick will be highly motivated.
Quote from: bbtds on December 22, 2012, 11:02:15 PM
I thought about seeing the 2nd half of the Andrean/Northwest game but never did make it. Maybe if I knew Tom Crean was there I might have gone
Here's the Times story on Andrean's win.
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/davidson-leads-andrean-in-total-team-win-in-indy/article_804def07-3d84-5518-8bb2-52f7686d5d21.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/davidson-leads-andrean-in-total-team-win-in-indy/article_804def07-3d84-5518-8bb2-52f7686d5d21.html)
Nick Davidson and his Andrean teammates were getting ready for Saturday's game at Indianapolis Marshall High School when the senior guard saw an old face walking toward him.
Indiana University coach Tom Crean walked over to greet the Munster lad. As a freshman, Crean invited Davidson down for a visit. It thrilled the kid.
"I've loved Indiana basketball since I was little," said Davidson, who has signed to play for Bryce Drew and Valparaiso next year.
Crean wished Davidson good luck and told him he'd followed this season and congratulated him on a great run so far.
But the fact Crean never gave a scholarship offer was a bit of motivation for Davidson as The Times No. 1 'Niners took on Indianapolis Northwest in IPSAC/Midwest Showcase.
"Maybe just a little bit," Davidson said. "Even if it's someone you respect, you want to show them that you have something worth watching."
Davidson played a splendid game in Andrean's 77-74 white-knuckle win over the Pioneers (3-3). He had 22 points and eight assists to earn the MVP trophy.
Northwest led 43-34 at the half.
"Whenever we have a bad first half we usually come out all fired up," Toporski said. "My guys did a great job kicking it out to me in the corner. This was a big win for us. They gave us a great game and we came back and got the win."
Crean can keep his cotton picking hands off our recruit! Bryce needs to schedule a game with IU in 4 years when Davidson is a senior. I'm sure Nick will be highly motivated.
If Crean suddenly decided he wanted Nick (even after he signed his NLI), he would stab Bryce in the back in a heart beat to get him. Look no further than the unholy Crean/Mark Adams alliance to understand the lack of character involved here.
Does anyone hear anything about how Chadwick is in practice? In my mind, I am hoping he slots into Kevin's role next year, but not sure if he is that type of player.
Didn't see this mentioned: Peters had another double-double (20 points, 10 rebounds) in the game this weekend as his team continued undefeated. He was 12-12 at the free throw line!
http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1233661261/Limestone-boys-trim-deficit-to-one-late-but-Washington-is-gone-in-60-seconds (http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1233661261/Limestone-boys-trim-deficit-to-one-late-but-Washington-is-gone-in-60-seconds)
Alec Peters sank a baseline jumper with 5:06 to play that gave Washington its largest lead at 44-33.
Washington had built its earlier 11-point lead by holding Limestone scoreless for nearly a six-minute span of the third and fourth quarters.
.....two free throws from Peters was part of a six-point run that put the hosts up 55-48 with 10 seconds remaining.
Washington led 22-20 at halftime.
Peters was 4-for-10 from the field and scored 20 without a 3 attempt. His 12-for-12 shooting on free throws included eight makes in the fourth quarter. The Valparaiso recruit had 10 rebounds and two blocks.
"He (Peters) just kept plugging away," Brown said. "He was incredible on defense and went hard to the boards."
Adams had 11 rebounds. He and Peters combined for nine of 15 offensive boards for Washington.
i really hope peters can come in and give us even 70% of the production he's shown thus far this season. i like what i see in every single update posted about him.
Anyone have a clue about what his defense is like? I mean there is the High School Cube video from around Thanksgiving, but now that he has a few more games under him for this season, can he stick to his man, what is he like in a zone, does he try to steal the ball, or does he look like another Ryan type of player?
Alec Peters had 19 points in the first half tonight, outscoring the opposing team by 7, then seems to have been rested much of the second half (since Washington will play Evanston tomorrow morning in a tournament quarterfinal game), but he wound up with 23 points and was the leading rebounder with 6:
"Valparaiso recruit Alec Peters scored 19 of his 23 in the first half for Washington (10-0). 'Alec came out sharp and Tucker was a threat on the offensive and defensive ends,' Washington coach Kevin Brown said. Peters shot 7-for-13 from the field and led all rebounders with six."
http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1922383718/Pekin-tournament-roundup-Potters-pull-off-surprise-Knights-Panthers-hosts-win?zc_p=1 (http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1922383718/Pekin-tournament-roundup-Potters-pull-off-surprise-Knights-Panthers-hosts-win?zc_p=1)
Peters had his second outstanding game in less than 24 hours, scoring 23 points in his team's 57-28 victory over Evanston. Once again, Peters was outscoring the other team at the half, as he had 17 points and Evanston had 14. Apparently, Washington was able to rest Alec once more in the second half, since they have a third game to play this evening.
Quote from: valpopal on December 28, 2012, 01:19:09 AM
Alec Peters had 19 points in the first half tonight, outscoring the opposing team by 7, then seems to have been rested much of the second half (since Washington will play Evanston tomorrow morning in a tournament quarterfinal game), but he wound up with 23 points and was the leading rebounder with 6:
"Valparaiso recruit Alec Peters scored 19 of his 23 in the first half for Washington (10-0). 'Alec came out sharp and Tucker was a threat on the offensive and defensive ends,' Washington coach Kevin Brown said. Peters shot 7-for-13 from the field and led all rebounders with six."
http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1922383718/Pekin-tournament-roundup-Potters-pull-off-surprise-Knights-Panthers-hosts-win?zc_p=1 (http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1922383718/Pekin-tournament-roundup-Potters-pull-off-surprise-Knights-Panthers-hosts-win?zc_p=1)
Tonight's game for Washington against Springfield Lanphier will be audio broadcast online at 6:30 at this website: http://www.sportsradio1450.com/ (http://www.sportsradio1450.com/) If you have the time to listen, I'd suggest it. Pekin is a good tournament with long standing tradition, especially when two of the top-ranked teams in this year's field have been relegated to the consolation bracket in #2 Rockford Boylan and #4 Limestone. I'm going to definitely be checking this one out.
Not our recruit anymore, but NC State v Western Michigan on ESPNU/ESPN3 right now. Austin Ritchie playing for Western Mich. Had two blow-bys past Tyler Lewis, who was an McDs AA and a really good player, although a freshman and has had lapses on D. Western starting to fallbehind as the half ends.
Playing his third game in about 24 hours, Peters scored 16 and had 6 rebounds, plus 2 steals and 2 blocks; in contrast, the other team's 4-star player, Larry Austin (a top-50 player in the nation according to ESPN), was held to 6 points and 2 rebounds. Still, Alec's team blew a 12-point fourth quarter lead to lose 49-47 on a last-second tip-in, the team's first loss of the year. Alec Peters' scoring for the three games in approximately 24 hours: 59 points.
Quote from: valpopal on December 28, 2012, 03:34:42 PM
Peters had his second outstanding game in less than 24 hours, scoring 23 points in his team's 57-28 victory over Evanston. Once again, Peters was outscoring the other team at the half, as he had 17 points and Evanston had 14. Apparently, Washington was able to rest Alec once more in the second half, since they have a third game to play this evening.
Quote from: valpopal on December 28, 2012, 01:19:09 AM
Alec Peters had 19 points in the first half tonight, outscoring the opposing team by 7, then seems to have been rested much of the second half (since Washington will play Evanston tomorrow morning in a tournament quarterfinal game), but he wound up with 23 points and was the leading rebounder with 6:
"Valparaiso recruit Alec Peters scored 19 of his 23 in the first half for Washington (10-0). 'Alec came out sharp and Tucker was a threat on the offensive and defensive ends,' Washington coach Kevin Brown said. Peters shot 7-for-13 from the field and led all rebounders with six."
http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1922383718/Pekin-tournament-roundup-Potters-pull-off-surprise-Knights-Panthers-hosts-win?zc_p=1 (http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1922383718/Pekin-tournament-roundup-Potters-pull-off-surprise-Knights-Panthers-hosts-win?zc_p=1)
In his fourth game of the weekend, Peters helped Washington get back to winning with a double-double by putting up 21 points and grabbing 10 rebounds. Total scoring by Peters for the Weekend: 80 points!
Quote from: valpopal on December 29, 2012, 11:54:44 AM
Playing his third game in about 24 hours, Peters scored 16 and had 6 rebounds, plus 2 steals and 2 blocks; in contrast, the other team's 4-star player, Larry Austin (a top-50 player in the nation according to ESPN), was held to 6 points and 2 rebounds. Still, Alec's team blew a 12-point fourth quarter lead to lose 49-47 on a last-second tip-in, the team's first loss of the year. Alec Peters' scoring for the three games in approximately 24 hours: 59 points.
Quote from: valpopal on December 28, 2012, 03:34:42 PM
Peters had his second outstanding game in less than 24 hours, scoring 23 points in his team's 57-28 victory over Evanston. Once again, Peters was outscoring the other team at the half, as he had 17 points and Evanston had 14. Apparently, Washington was able to rest Alec once more in the second half, since they have a third game to play this evening.
Quote from: valpopal on December 28, 2012, 01:19:09 AM
Alec Peters had 19 points in the first half tonight, outscoring the opposing team by 7, then seems to have been rested much of the second half (since Washington will play Evanston tomorrow morning in a tournament quarterfinal game), but he wound up with 23 points and was the leading rebounder with 6:
"Valparaiso recruit Alec Peters scored 19 of his 23 in the first half for Washington (10-0). 'Alec came out sharp and Tucker was a threat on the offensive and defensive ends,' Washington coach Kevin Brown said. Peters shot 7-for-13 from the field and led all rebounders with six."
http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1922383718/Pekin-tournament-roundup-Potters-pull-off-surprise-Knights-Panthers-hosts-win?zc_p=1 (http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1922383718/Pekin-tournament-roundup-Potters-pull-off-surprise-Knights-Panthers-hosts-win?zc_p=1)
Another typical double-double for Adekoya last night: "Andrew 66, Bremen 41: Jubril Adekoya totaled 24 points and 11 rebounds for Andrew."
Alec Peters will be in the building this evening per his twitter account. Looks like Clay Yeo will be joining him.
Side note: it's been really fun watching these recruits putting up ridiculous stats during their senior seasons. The coaching staff seems to really have a good handle on the recruiting aspect of the game!
On the positive side, Alec Peters and Jubril Adekoya had "average" games in their teams' victories this weekend.
Peters: 23 points, 12 rebounds, 5 steals, and 1 block
Adekoya: 22 points, 13 rebounds
On the negative side, Clay Yeo, averaging 29 points per game this season, did not play in his team's victory this weekend due to a concussion.
You would think that Yeo and Davidson almost have to be on the Indiana All Stars if they continue the way they have played. As for Peters, probably a lock for First Team all Illinois. Not sure about Williams or Adekoya. If they are getting adequate press they should be considered for state wide honors.
Alec Peters had 27 points and 7 rebounds last night. Here is a video with many of Alec's highlights as he does it all—3 pointers, rebounds, blocks, steals, assists, drives, etc.
http://www.cinewsnow.com/news/local/REWIND--Washington--58--Metamora--47-186580771.html (http://www.cinewsnow.com/news/local/REWIND--Washington--58--Metamora--47-186580771.html)
Video interview with Lexus Williams where he talks about playing with Jubril Adekoya and Alec Peters at Valpo next year:
Lexus Williams and LJ McIntosh Talk Centralia & College (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RHJtgVO-gXo#ws)
I've spent some time in Centralia, IL on my job and I can't imagine what the folks from Southern Illinois thought of those bright red bow ties those guys from Chicago Marist were wearing.
"Well, Marge, did you see those fellers in the red bow ties. Where they singing gospel music at the Baptist church?"
Yeo scores 23 in a loss to Culver. http://www.thepilotnews.com/content/culver-triton-split-doubleheader-trojan-trench (http://www.thepilotnews.com/content/culver-triton-split-doubleheader-trojan-trench)
My daughter was at the game and said Clay was a good player, but didn't have a very good game. She was probably talking through most of the game, so take that for what it's worth! :twocents:
SLU transfer Keith Carter is headed to Valpo. He'll be a mid-year transfer. Thus, he'll be eligible at the end of first semester next season. Carter finished second to Jabari Parker in last year's Illinois Mr. Basketball vote. Another great get.
OMG THIS IS
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COMMENCE FREAKOUT!
Early scouting reports forthcoming...
He will start the 1st minute he is eligible next year! He will be a HL star!
Keith Carter (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D_WIiNbyjYk#)
Wow is this going to be a fun few years !! Starting Thursday Night!!! And they are all pronounce-able. Not an Igbavboa or Hrvoje in the mix! (yet)
Wow this is fantastic! A great add to go along with the incoming guys and the few returners!
Early scouting reports (but I think this merits a "Hello" post, but maybe that's something for down the pike, like, the offseason, when I'm not going abroad etc.)
KEITH CARTER
6-0, 175
Proviso East Class of 2012 (Alma mater of Michael Finley, Shannon Brown, Dee Brown, Jacob Pullen, oh, and Doc Rivers etc. etc.)
20 ppg / 5 apg for the state runners-up.
First offer: University of Toledo
Also: Creighton, Northern Illinois, first Loyola (originally committed), then St. Louis (obv.).
This time around: Auburn, Cleveland State, Cal State-Fullerton and Valparaiso (obv.)
why he transferred: http://saintlouis.scout.com/2/1251329.html (http://saintlouis.scout.com/2/1251329.html)
SCOUTING BLURBS
the late Rick Majerus: "my best recruit since Andre Miller"
Joe Henricksen, Sun-Times: "Arguably the best scorer in the class. He has good speed and deceptive athleticism but lacks the great explosiveness. High character kid who does what's needed for his team."
MaxPreps: Honorable Mention; Top-50 player in class of 2012! "Jabari Parker and Simeon were all that stood in the way of an unbelievably special season for Proviso East, which went 32-1 and received 20 points and five assists per outing from the future Billiken."
Jabari Parker: "is that the dude that was behind me for that mr. basketball? like right behind?"
truth219: whatever that guy only scored three points a game this year and quit on his team.
We still had 4 OOC games left this year when Lavonte became eligible. Next year one of our OOC home games is St. Louis. I hope it's after Keith becomes eligible. It would be a great story within a story.
It was a great get for Saint Louis and a great get for Valpo.
I sure as heck didn't think he would end up at Valpo after the way the Crusaders played at Chaifetz Arena.
I had heard some very detailed rumors on the Saint Louis board that Carter was unhappy with Majerus not returning to the Billikens and knew that it was likely he would be leaving if Saint Louis didn't hire a new coach. I was surprised he left so early out of Saint Louis. Let's hope Bryce and the coaching staff will be able to keep Keith Carter happy.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 15, 2013, 09:32:06 PM
OMG THIS IS
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COMMENCE FREAKOUT!
Early scouting reports forthcoming...
I shouldn't have found this funny, nonetheless I'm rolling on the floor! :rotfl:
let me start my truth219 grumbling...
--he wanted to redshirt with the injury. they didn't want him to.
--they had him play 3 games.
--because of that, he has three years here (hopefully) instead of four. LIKE DORITY grumble grumblecakes.
Remind anyone of how miniscule an offense caused Persephone to have to spend half her year in Hades?
A few comments regarding Carter:
This from ESPN: Majerus said in the summer that Carter could be the best lead guard he had recruited since Andre Miller at Utah
From the St. Louis webpage:
Four-year letterwinner at Proviso East High School in Maywood, Ill., a western suburb of Chicago ... garnered first-team All-State plaudits from the Associated Press and Chicago Tribune as a senior after the point guard helped Proviso East to a runner-up finish in the 4A state championship ... averaged more than 20 points per game and five assists per game his senior year ... helped the Pirates to a 32-1 record as a senior ... earned All-Conference honors his junior and sophomore seasons ... named MVP of the Proviso West Tournament his senior year after averaging more than 17 ppg during the four-game tourney ... was the runner-up for Mr. Basketball 2012 in voting conducted by the Chicago Tribune.
Though I haven't seen an official announcement yet by VU, I see Carter has tweeted his choice and has already been added to the board's Tentative Eligibility Chart. That is great news!
Add Carter to the five freshmen recruits (Adekoya, Davidson, Peters, Williams, and Yeo), plus Chadwick, hopefully a healthy Rossi and with Dority on the court for the full year, as well as one more open spot—perhaps a big man transfer—and we are looking at the best class of new players in terms of potential ever at Valpo!
It will be a challenge to get them all working together as a unified team in the beginning next season, especially with so many freshmen and Carter probably joining the team second semester, but it will be an exciting class to follow for a few years.
I have to say that on paper Bryce has done a good job of recruiting and putting together a team for the future. I think a lot of credit also has to go to Coach Powell as well, since four of the new recruits (Adekoya, Carter, Peters, and Williams) plus Dority are from Illinois.
I have lots of enthusiasm for this year's team, and I will miss the graduating seniors, but it is nice to realize that there will be exciting times to anticipate next year as well rather than the typical lull often experienced during a rebuilding year.
First Bryce gets a transfer from ole miss (bogan).... Now he gets a player with the same name as a player that was playing for ole miss back in 1998...
1998 tournament:
"When play resumed Sesay missed his second free throw, and after a battle for the loose ball Valparaiso was awarded possession after Ole Miss guard Keith Carter knocked the ball out of bounds. This left Valpo with 2.5 seconds to get off a shot, and forced inbounder Jaime Sykes to put the ball in play from the far end of the court."
Just watched some scouting videos and this kid is athletic.... This should be a fun rebuilding period.....
Wednesday (1/16) is the last date to register late for spring semester. Look for a Mr. Carter around campus today.
I think it is great that this coaching staff can keep going into Illinois and grab up the state's top talent.
(http://nbccollegebasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/carter.jpeg?w=142)(http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ole/sports/m-baskbl/import/LVVMRKJYUYLVFHH.20090210180916.jpg)
I can see how y'all might get them mixed up. But hey, if ours turns out like theirs, I'm ok with that.
"The 1999 Associated Press All-America honorable mention team member also left his name firmly placed in the Ole Miss record books. Carter finished his career strong in 1998-99, scoring 542 points and hitting 77 three-point field goals, still the fifth-highest season total in Rebel history. His 1,682 career points ranks sixth all-time, and his 249 three-pointers set a school record at the time and still ranks second in the Rebel records. His success on the court also garnered him All-SEC first team honors and a nomination for the Naismith Player of the Year award in 1999."
Quote from: Smj on January 15, 2013, 11:13:21 PMinbounder Jaime Sykes
well i guess that explains the prowess with the baseball throw.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 16, 2013, 08:21:40 AM
(http://nbccollegebasketballtalk.files.wordpress.com/2012/12/carter.jpeg?w=142)(http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/ole/sports/m-baskbl/import/LVVMRKJYUYLVFHH.20090210180916.jpg)
I can see how y'all might get them mixed up. But hey, if ours turns out like theirs, I'm ok with that.
"The 1999 Associated Press All-America honorable mention team member also left his name firmly placed in the Ole Miss record books. Carter finished his career strong in 1998-99, scoring 542 points and hitting 77 three-point field goals, still the fifth-highest season total in Rebel history. His 1,682 career points ranks sixth all-time, and his 249 three-pointers set a school record at the time and still ranks second in the Rebel records. His success on the court also garnered him All-SEC first team honors and a nomination for the Naismith Player of the Year award in 1999."
Carter was the Ole Miss star of the game, as I recall. I know for sure he was the Chevy MVP for Ole Miss. But I thought as well he was their best player in that game.
(http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc6/c44.44.550.550/s160x160/282887_10151385368172813_1163300004_n.jpg)
You know who else is similar to Keith Carter (the Woody Harrelson one, not the Wesley Snipes)?
Season high 3pters: KC 77, Lubos 74
Career 3pters: KC 249, Lubos 244
Career points: KC 1682, Lubos 1675
weird...
It's official. We can now welcome Keith Carter to Valpo:
http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2012-13/12311/keith-carter-joins-crusader-mens-basketball-program/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2012-13/12311/keith-carter-joins-crusader-mens-basketball-program/)
Holy crap, awesome news. I didn't think we had a chance, but apparently we have some great recruiters! I would have to think that Bryce will stay long enough to see how this class develops in a few years, and since he has shown he can get these types at Valpo, maybe keep him around a la Brad Stevens :)
Quote from: valpotx on January 16, 2013, 02:31:25 PM
Holy crap, awesome news. I didn't think we had a chance, but apparently we have some great recruiters! I would have to think that Bryce will stay long enough to see how this class develops in a few years, and since he has shown he can get these types at Valpo, maybe keep him around a la Brad Stevens :)
And if we can't keep him, I hope his career is more like Collier or Matta - leave for several mediocre years and return as AD, or some good success with a chance for a national championship.
I would almost guarantee that one of the incoming freshman next year will redshirt and we will bring in a transfer who will sit out next season and be a junior for the 2014-15 season. This will make our class distribution much more balanced and give one of the freshman, who might fall short on playing time, an extra year to develop.
I was just thinking that. Because it's Carter, my money's on Lexus Williams; last year I might have said Davidson, but no more...
GOOD PROBLEMS TO HAVE...no longer is our thirteenth man the other (unwanted) half of twins but now a three-star :)
Cliche Warning: We're not rebuilding... we're reloading! (can't say I didn't warn you)
Davidson only had 14 and 8 tonight in a loss to Chesterton. I was told Coach Drew was seen at the Chesterton game last week, watching Holba. Not sure how reliable that is, but I can't imagine there is a lot of interest.
I was at the Chesterton-Munster game.
Bryce was definitely in attendance, sitting behind a basket.
He is interested in Holba, for sure. There was even a "scout" from Baylor there. :)
Quote from: Valpo89 on January 17, 2013, 01:58:29 PM
I was at the Chesterton-Munster game.
Bryce was definitely in attendance, sitting behind a basket.
He is interested in Holba, for sure. There was even a "scout" from Baylor there. :)
Pray tell, who is "Holba"???
Matt Holba, a 6-7 or 6-8 sophomore from Chesterton. He's very athletic, has to pretty much play inside right now but has the green light to shoot the three.
He's a guy who "always has his motor running," according to one coach I talked to earlier in the season.
Another told me he thinks he has a better upside than Rob Hummel. He is stronger as a sophomore than Hummel was as a HS sophomore.
It has been written, I believe, that Valpo has already offered. But it is expected the bigger schools will start offering soon. And this won't be a Zach Novak situation where they would pull an offer due to a weight gain or something like that. Holba doesn't have the frame.
Quote from: Valpo89 on January 17, 2013, 03:47:16 PM
Matt Holba, a 6-7 or 6-8 sophomore from Chesterton. He's very athletic, has to pretty much play inside right now but has the green light to shoot the three.
He's a guy who "always has his motor running," according to one coach I talked to earlier in the season.
Another told me he thinks he has a better upside than Rob Hummel. He is stronger as a sophomore than Hummel was as a HS sophomore.
It has been written, I believe, that Valpo has already offered. But it is expected the bigger schools will start offering soon. And this won't be a Zach Novak situation where they would pull an offer due to a weight gain or something like that. Holba doesn't have the frame.
If I didn't know better, I would swear you're a sports reporter or something. ;) You offered up great insight from unnamed sources in the know, but kept your personal opinions to yourself. Well done! That said, what do you think about this kid?
I could certainly be wrong about the interest in Holba, I did think he was older then a Soph. He had a nice game stat wise against Andrean the other night.
Holba is a very good basketball player who will only improve. More upside than Robbie Hummel? Not sure about that, time will tell. He must develop more face the basket skills and ballhandling plus defense to be considered with Robbie. He has time to do so.
He is very athletic and will be heavily recruited not only for basketball but also football, as a wide receiver. I had him for 16pt/14r and 5 blocks last night against Andrean and was clearly the best player on the court IMHO.
And remember...only a sophomore.
lowposter
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 16, 2013, 08:20:02 PMGOOD PROBLEMS TO HAVE...no longer is our thirteenth man the other (unwanted) half of twins but now a three-star
Not a great idea to criticize Mike Oppland when he is known to read this board sometimes. :-[
New Alec Peters interview video with some highlights:
http://www.cinewsnow.com/sports/high-school/Washington-Panthers-on-Prep-Rally-187401801.html (http://www.cinewsnow.com/sports/high-school/Washington-Panthers-on-Prep-Rally-187401801.html)
Quote from: historyman on January 17, 2013, 11:32:42 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 16, 2013, 08:20:02 PMGOOD PROBLEMS TO HAVE...no longer is our thirteenth man the other (unwanted) half of twins but now a three-star
Not a great idea to criticize Mike Oppland when he is known to read this board sometimes. :-[
I liked the Oppland twins, and both have been playing in Europe since college. Glad to see that he turned around his career at Cal College, and has been able to play professionally
Quote from: historyman on January 17, 2013, 11:32:42 PMNot a great idea to criticize Mike Oppland when he is known to read this board sometimes.
LOL that wasn't who I was referring to, actually. I was thinking of ... well, maybe I shouldn't say. Let's just say if you can remember Homer's early days you'll remember.
No, it's not the Jenkinses either. Sheesh.
HINT: Think "...goes to washington."
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 18, 2013, 08:50:54 AM
Quote from: historyman on January 17, 2013, 11:32:42 PMNot a great idea to criticize Mike Oppland when he is known to read this board sometimes.
LOL that wasn't who I was referring to, actually. I was thinking of ... well, maybe I shouldn't say. Let's just say if you can remember Homer's early days you'll remember.
No, it's not the Jenkinses either. Sheesh.
HINT: Think "...goes to washington."
It's always great to have a Smith brothers reference on the board. Well done.
John Mutka referred to them as the cough drop brothers. I always got a kick out of that.
You guys are my new favorite posters.
Could you explain "cough drop brothers", though? Or is it obvious and I'm missing it?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on January 18, 2013, 10:52:32 AM
You guys are my new favorite posters.
Could you explain "cough drop brothers", though? Or is it obvious and I'm missing it?
http://www.thesmithbrothers.com/wellness-products-pages-3.php (http://www.thesmithbrothers.com/wellness-products-pages-3.php)
This should explain it.
huh. thanks. that's luden-crous.
Here's some good news on Adekoya from Friday night action.
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/illinois/adekoya-means-goodbye-for-outmanned-thornwood/article_5faaa672-3b04-5f71-8ccf-2ea85bdd49e6.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/illinois/adekoya-means-goodbye-for-outmanned-thornwood/article_5faaa672-3b04-5f71-8ccf-2ea85bdd49e6.html)
Clay Yeo had 24 points and 8 rebounds Friday night in a tough loss, 50-48.
Fazekas, who has an offer from Valpo, visits Northwestern:
http://www.hoops247.com/index.php/modules-menu/495-fazekas-talks-northwestern-visit (http://www.hoops247.com/index.php/modules-menu/495-fazekas-talks-northwestern-visit)
Quote from: valpopal on January 22, 2013, 04:27:34 PM
Fazekas, who has an offer from Valpo, visits Northwestern:
http://www.hoops247.com/index.php/modules-menu/495-fazekas-talks-northwestern-visit (http://www.hoops247.com/index.php/modules-menu/495-fazekas-talks-northwestern-visit)
Based on the quality of transfers and high school recruits Bryce has been able to attract over the past year, I doubt he is any longer interested in "solid Mid Major prospects," as the description goes. Is this kid considered a top tier player?
Quote from: wh on January 22, 2013, 04:53:11 PMIs this kid considered a top tier player?
Wouldn't you want to eat Northwestern's lunch?
Were I him, only my inordinate love for Valpo plus how hideous I look in purple would keep me from flinging myself into the arms of a B1G school.
All in all, still a little early to say. One of the things John Beilein has done exceptionally well is project people--not many wanted Tim Hardaway, OSU didn't want Trey Burke, Nick Stauskas was hardly on any American radars...if Bryce can look at someone and see where they could be, that will separate him from being a good coach and a legendary one.
Quote from: wh on January 22, 2013, 04:53:11 PM
Quote from: valpopal on January 22, 2013, 04:27:34 PM
Fazekas, who has an offer from Valpo, visits Northwestern:
http://www.hoops247.com/index.php/modules-menu/495-fazekas-talks-northwestern-visit (http://www.hoops247.com/index.php/modules-menu/495-fazekas-talks-northwestern-visit)
Based on the quality of transfers and high school recruits Bryce has been able to attract over the past year, I doubt he is any longer interested in "solid Mid Major prospects," as the description goes. Is this kid considered a top tier player?
Yes, he is only a sophomore (2015) and received his offer from Bryce as a freshman.
Quote from: wh on January 22, 2013, 04:53:11 PM
Quote from: valpopal on January 22, 2013, 04:27:34 PM
Fazekas, who has an offer from Valpo, visits Northwestern:
http://www.hoops247.com/index.php/modules-menu/495-fazekas-talks-northwestern-visit (http://www.hoops247.com/index.php/modules-menu/495-fazekas-talks-northwestern-visit)
Based on the quality of transfers and high school recruits Bryce has been able to attract over the past year, I doubt he is any longer interested in "solid Mid Major prospects," as the description goes. Is this kid considered a top tier player?
Per this article ( http://www.insidethehall.com/2012/06/25/2015-wing-ryan-fazekas-attracting-big-ten-interest/#more-22252 (http://www.insidethehall.com/2012/06/25/2015-wing-ryan-fazekas-attracting-big-ten-interest/#more-22252) ) and his Rivals profile, Fazekas appears to be getting interest from several Big Ten schools. I've never seen him play, so he may or may not be what Valpo is looking for. He sounds very similar to Peters and Yeo, so he may be redundant.
Fazekas is two years younger than the incoming class. Many project that he'll be one of the top 5 Indiana players from the class of 2015. If he ends up at Valpo, they'll find a spot for him.
McDonald all American nominee Yeo :thumbsup:, squared off against Fazekas last year in the Sectionals for most of the night. (Its on you tube) Fazekas was a go to guy last year for the team. Good skills and floor smarts.
Quote from: hungry4moreYeo on January 23, 2013, 06:54:53 AM
McDonald all American nominee Yeo :thumbsup:, squared off against Fazekas last year in the Sectionals for most of the night. (Its on you tube) Fazekas was a go to guy last year for the team. Good skills and floor smarts.
Link?
Quote from: Smj on January 24, 2013, 12:33:52 AM
Quote from: hungry4moreYeo on January 23, 2013, 06:54:53 AM
McDonald all American nominee Yeo :thumbsup:, squared off against Fazekas last year in the Sectionals for most of the night. (Its on you tube) Fazekas was a go to guy last year for the team. Good skills and floor smarts.
Link?
He only has 3 posts. He needs 5 posts to post a link. hungry4moreYeo could post the link without the
http and we could all add it when we pasted the link in the browser.
Or he could just post twice more and then put the link in his 6th post.
Seven players from Indiana made the nomination list, also including Hamilton Southeastern's Zak Irwin, Mishawaka Marian's Demetrius Jackson, LaPorte La Lumiere's Torren Jones, Ben Davis' Tony Wills and Triton's Clay Yeo.
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20130117/BLOGS06/130119550/0/vid (http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20130117/BLOGS06/130119550/0/vid)
Quote from: wh on January 24, 2013, 05:32:56 AM
Seven players from Indiana made the nomination list, also including Hamilton Southeastern's Zak Irwin, Mishawaka Marian's Demetrius Jackson, LaPorte La Lumiere's Torren Jones, Ben Davis' Tony Wills and Triton's Clay Yeo.
http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20130117/BLOGS06/130119550/0/vid (http://www.journalgazette.net/article/20130117/BLOGS06/130119550/0/vid)
Awesome - when do we know if he is playing?
Think the letter said Feb 12th they will post whos playing.
Working on the link of last years game.
Found the link but, the video has been removed due to a copy right claim
January 26, 2013
Boys basketball
Yeo carries Trojans
Triton superstar Clay Yeo erupted for a game-high 36 points to lead the Trojans to a 55-43 Northern State Conference boys basketball win at Jimtown Friday. Tanner Shepherd chipped in 10 points for the Trojans. Triton plays at Argos Tuesday.
Peters scores 21 in Washington victory:
http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1926914040/Panthers-pick-apart-East-Peoria-boys (http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1926914040/Panthers-pick-apart-East-Peoria-boys)
Are you more confident in the players we have returning or the incoming freshman?
Quote from: truth219 on January 31, 2013, 09:08:53 PMAre you more confident in the players we have returning or the incoming freshman?
I'm more confident in the incoming freshman going farther in their junior and senior years. I think there will be the usual learning curve for this incoming freshman class.
Someone said we are not rebuilding... We are reloading. I think we will have some pains as players transition to "the college game". i have watched games for each of the incoming players and it is a lot of talent. Question is can Bryce get them playing together and potentially in different roles.
I hear Alec Peters scored 49 points and pulled down 16 rebounds in a pair of wins this weekend. I also saw where a couple of observers were comparing him favorably to former Butler forward Gordon Hayward.
Quote from: valpopal on February 10, 2013, 11:41:22 AM
I hear Alec Peters scored 49 points and pulled down 16 rebounds in a pair of wins this weekend. I also saw where a couple of observers were comparing him favorably to former Butler forward Gordon Hayward.
http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1037508438/Washington-boys-hand-Central-their-worst-loss-in-nearly-four-decades-72-32 (http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1037508438/Washington-boys-hand-Central-their-worst-loss-in-nearly-four-decades-72-32)
Washington boys hand Central their worst loss in nearly four decades, 72-32 By ADAM DUVALL
of the Journal Star
Posted Feb 09, 2013 @ 11:22 PM
PEORIA —
It's pretty safe to say that Washington is playing its best basketball at the right time of year.
The Class 3A No. 3-ranked Panthers (24-1) dominated Central 72-32 in a nonconference boys basketball game Saturday.
The Lions (9-14) suffered their most lopsided defeat since Dec. 12, 1975 — a 79-37 loss at Richwoods.
"They just outmanned us," Central coach Dan Ruffin said. "Bigger and stronger and more efficient."
Washington's offense — hitting 67.3 percent (31 of 46) of its shots — proved to be very efficient, especially in the first quarter.
Alec Peters scored 10 of his game-high 25 points as Washington led 19-11 after the opening eight minutes. These two played for the 3A Peoria Sectional title last season.
"We couldn't have jumped out to a better start," the Valparaiso recruit said, "and just the overall energy of our team was a little greater."
At one point in the first quarter, though, Central's Josh Augusta matched Peters basket-for-basket.
Augusta, a 6-foot-5 Missouri football recruit, had six of his team-high 12 points in the first period. His layup at the 5:03 mark tied the game at 7. But Washington, which has won 13 in row, closed out the quarter on a 12-4 spurt.
"Whenever he wants to get space, he gets his space," said Peters, who matched up with Augusta for most of the night.
From there, it was all Washington's defense. Central was limited to just three points on three shot attempts, turned the ball over seven times and went a 5:59 stretch of the second quarter without a field goal.
The Lions, who went 6 of 11 from the field in the first half, trailed 35-14 at halftime.
"Early on, we were fine," Ruffin said, "but then our offense wasn't fluid and attacking enough."
Washington started the third quarter on an 11-point run, scored 37 second-half points — 32 in the paint — and got 13 points from Peters.
"When you're getting point-blank looks from 2 or 3 feet away, that can really take the air out of the defense," Panthers coach Kevin Brown said.
Notes: Washington's Troy Adams had 11 points and a game-high six rebounds. ... Central played a second straight game without leading scorer Myles Boone (ineligible).
Adam Duvall can be reached at 686-3214 or aduvall@pjstar.com.This is really huge stuff. That is last year's 3A state champ they beat so badly. Wow!
One concession though. Peoria Central was playing without their leading scorer.
http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1037507785/Washington-boys-remain-perfect-in-Mid-Illini-with-63-32-victory-over-Morton (http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1037507785/Washington-boys-remain-perfect-in-Mid-Illini-with-63-32-victory-over-Morton)
Washington boys remain perfect in Mid-Illini with 63-32 victory over Morton
By JOHNNY CAMPOS
of the Journal Star
Posted Feb 08, 2013 @ 11:22 PM
MORTON —
By the time the Morton boys basketball team got into scoring mode Friday night, Washington was off and running.
The visiting Panthers scored the first 18 points of the Mid-Illini Conference game and cruised to a 63-32 win in the Potterdome.
Senior Alec Peters led Washington (23-1, 11-0) with 24 points and eight rebounds.
With the win, Washington remained perfect in the conference, 21/2 games ahead of idle Metamora with three games left.
"I don't know that we've really talked about being undefeated in the conference," Panthers coach Kevin Brown said. "But we're trying to put ourselves in a position to be able to take care of our own business and win the conference."
Peters scored 10 points in the first period, including a layup on a feed from Cade Jackson that put Washington ahead 18-0 with 1:26 left in the quarter.
Jackson also had a hand in helping the Panthers jump out to the early lead, with three steals in the first period.
"Cade Jackson really disrupted them with his defense," Brown said.
"And Troy Adams was flying to the boards, and we've got to have that out of him."
Peters had 17 of his points by intermission, helping the Panthers take a 32-12 lead at the break.
"The only positive out of this game is that we responded," Morton coach Jarrett Brown said. "It seems like we're doing that a lot — responding.
"Once we settled in at the two-minute mark of the first quarter, and then on to halftime, I thought we fought for things. But we can't be responsive, and we've got to be a little more attack-minded."
A layup by Dominic Carrol on a Grant Johnson assist gave Washington its biggest lead at 51-20 with less than a minute left in the third period.
Brent Waibel led Morton (3-19, 1-10) with eight points.
Johnny Campos can be reached at 686-3214 or at jcampos@pjstar.com. Follow him on Twitter at@johnnycampos59.
Clay Yeo had 31 points last night in a win over Rochester. I wonder how many games he has scored 30 or more? Has to be several.
Quote from: wh on February 13, 2013, 09:55:08 PM
Clay Yeo had 31 points last night in a win over Rochester. I wonder how many games he has scored 30 or more? Has to be several.
Six.
http://www.amoraconsulting.net/clients/etpearl/playerlog.php?id=5175 (http://www.amoraconsulting.net/clients/etpearl/playerlog.php?id=5175)
Very excited for our new class next year. It will be nice to have some youth that will hopefully play all 4 years at Valpo. I love the transfers we have gotten, but it is fun watching a young player grow over his full college career.
Washington is currently #3 in the AP Illinois 3A boys basketball poll:
http://seasonpass.suntimes.com/news_article/show/225988?refferal=rss&referrer_id=599124 (http://seasonpass.suntimes.com/news_article/show/225988?refferal=rss&referrer_id=599124)
Metamora, Washington's fellow conference member in the Mid-Illini Conference, is tied for 12th in the 3A poll.
Washington is the only school with one loss in the 3A top 10.
Class 3A
School W-L Pts Prv
1. Morgan Park (12) 25-2 120 1
2. Orr 23-2 92 2
3. Washington, Ill. 24-1 91 3
4. East St. Louis 16-6 68 5
5. Cahokia 24-3 66 4
6. North Chicago 23-2 64 6
7. Lincoln 23-4 48 8
8. Peoria Manual 16-6 29 9
9. Hillcrest 17-6 18 10
(tie) Springfield Southeast 19-5 18 NR
Others receiving votes: Peoria Notre Dame 12, Quincy Notre Dame 10, Metamora 10, Champaign Centennial 7, Normal U-High 3, Limestone 2, Hampshire 1, North Lawndale 1.
Washington goes to 25-1; Alec Peters 21 pts/15 boards
http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1037512177/Washington-boys-put-Mid-Illini-title-under-wraps (http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1037512177/Washington-boys-put-Mid-Illini-title-under-wraps)
Clay Yeo had 27 pts/8 boards/5 assists in Triton's win over No.9 Tippecanoe Valley (3A)
http://www.thepilotnews.com/content/trojans-play-complete-game-senior-night-win-over-tippy-valley (http://www.thepilotnews.com/content/trojans-play-complete-game-senior-night-win-over-tippy-valley)
Trojans play complete game in Senior Night win over Tippy Valley
The game was back and forth for most of the first quarter, with both teams trying to figure each other out. Neither team was able to mount any kind of run and Valley would hold a one-point lead at the end of one, 13-12.
The second quarter saw the Vikings get out to a 9-2 run in the first three minutes, which prompted Triton coach Jason Groves to call a quick time out to stop the momentum. Down 22-14, the Trojans came out firing after the time out, with sophomore Skyler Reichert nailing a 3 followed by a steal by Clay Yeo, who took it the length of the court for a dunk.
• TRITON 65,
TIPPECANOE VALLEY 59
At Bourbon
Score by Quarters
Triton: 12 32 51 65
Tippy Valley: 13 27 40 59
TRITON (65): Clay Yeo 27, Tanner Shepherd 21, Seth Glingle 10, Skyler Reichert 3, Joey Corder 2, Cody Shively 2, Darren Harrell 0, Bryson Mosier 0, Trenton Cooper 0, Drew Mosson 0; Totals: 28 7-12 65
TIPPY VALLEY (59): Tanner Andrews 15, Alex Thacker 14, Ben Shriver 11, Nick Kindig 9, Jacob Ritchey 7, Chainey Zolman 3, Jarred Littlejohn 0; Totals: 22 12-16 59
3-pointers: Triton 2 (Yeo, Reichert), Tippy Valley 3 (Thacker, Ritchey, Kindig); Rebounds: Triton 30 (Yeo 8, Shepherd 6, Glingle 5, Corder 4), Tippy Valley 20 (Kindig 5, Shriver 4, Thacker 3, Andrews 3); Assists: Triton 12 (Yeo 5, Shively 3), Tippy Valley 9 (Kindig 4, Andrews 2, Ritchey 2); Steals: Triton 4 (Yeo 2, Shepherd, Glingle), Tippy Valley 7 (Andrews 4, Ritchey, Kindig, Shriver); Turnovers: Triton 11, Tippy Valley 9; Fouls (fouled out): Triton 16 (none), Tippy Valley 14 (none).
Records: Triton 14-5 Tippy Valley 16-3
Saw this picture on Alec Peters' twitter posted yesterday. Thought it was pretty cool. Me and my future teammate Jubril Adekoya (http://instagram.com/p/WGUmpWq_Yi/)
Quote from: FWalum on February 25, 2013, 11:19:38 AM
Saw this picture on Alec Peters' twitter posted yesterday. Thought it was pretty cool. Me and my future teammate Jubril Adekoya (http://instagram.com/p/WGUmpWq_Yi/)
Looks like it was taken at the ARC
Quote from: vu72 on February 25, 2013, 12:07:19 PMLooks like it was taken at the ARC
72 has the first post in the Hall of Fame.
This will not be joining it there ;)
Quote from: FWalum on February 25, 2013, 11:19:38 AMSaw this picture on Alec Peters' twitter posted yesterday. Thought it was pretty cool. Me and my future teammate Jubril Adekoya (http://instagram.com/p/WGUmpWq_Yi/)
I guess he'll learn to say "My future teammate and I" when he gets to Valpo. :)
They were at Saturday's game.
Quote from: bbtds on February 10, 2013, 12:02:37 PMfollowed by a steal by Clay Yeo, who took it the length of the court for a dunk.
It's good to see that at least one of our incoming freshmen can dunk the ball. That is something I wonder about on the present team. Too many unnecessarily acrobatic dribble-then-shoot-layup moves when a strong dunk would be an obvious move. Going up strong is something this team does not do particularly well (aside from Buggs, ironically).
I agree somewhat, but found Rowdy's one handed rebound tip dunk and Kevin's dunk (perhaps the most emphatic dunk we have seen in a while) to be quite strong tonight. Was really nice to see them do this in almost uncharacteristic fashion.
Coleman is quite athletic and can put the ball down easily, I just hope he gets a little stronger in the off season.
Quote from: FWalum on February 26, 2013, 11:18:14 PMKevin's dunk (perhaps the most emphatic dunk we have seen in a while) to be quite strong tonight
Yeah, that play was unusual in a number of respects! Kevin dribbling more than six feet. Kevin dunking. Kevin with a pretty emphatic celebration after the basket.
Maybe he needs a running start to be comfortable dunking?
Quote from: agibson on February 26, 2013, 11:28:12 PMQuote from: FWalum on February 26, 2013, 11:18:14 PMKevin's dunk (perhaps the most emphatic dunk we have seen in a while) to be quite strong tonight
Yeah, that play was unusual in a number of respects! Kevin dribbling more than six feet. Kevin dunking. Kevin with a pretty emphatic celebration after the basket. Maybe he needs a running start to be comfortable dunking?
It seemed both Kevin and Rowdy put emphatic exclamations on their dunks (how often do Kevin or Rowdy actually dunk?) in an effort to claim the momentum for the game. It was really great to see because you could really see how badly these seniors wanted this HL title won at the ARC. Maybe Bryce has started to loosen the strings on these seniors in the final games of their college careers.
Clay Yeo with 22 last night in win over Knox. Triton faces host Culver Community on Friday ... Culver won 46-42 at Triton in January.
Quote from: FWalum on February 26, 2013, 11:18:14 PMI agree somewhat, but found Rowdy's one handed rebound tip dunk and Kevin's dunk (perhaps the most emphatic dunk we have seen in a while) to be quite strong tonight. Was really nice to see them do this in almost uncharacteristic fashion.
I thought the exact same thing and was happy to see both of those moves. Let's hope it's a sign of things to come!
FEBRUARY MADNESSYesterday: Nick Davidson and Andrean advance to sectional semifinal with amazing defense in 48-23 win over the host KV Kougars: http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/andrean-calumet-boys-advance-at-k-v/article_b2dd6945-521c-5246-a285-ba0e22e15a9b.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/andrean-calumet-boys-advance-at-k-v/article_b2dd6945-521c-5246-a285-ba0e22e15a9b.html)
Quote"We started getting some turnovers and getting some layups and that kind of got into our offense, especially down low," guard Nick Davidson said. "We either scored or we got guys cutting to the basket for easy layups."
Davidson finished with a game-high 15 points and dished out four assists.
"Davidson made some fabulous passes because they were bringing so much attention to him, and our guys cut well," Cunningham said.
..."We're not looking anything past the sectionals," Davidson said. "We're just taking it one game at a time, and we got Rensselaer on Friday."
FEBRUARY MADNESS:
ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE BORDER EDITIONYesterday: Alec Peters and the 28-1 Washington Panthers beat Morton 61-32.
Next:4A Regional title is Friday vs. Limestone. That should rock. badumpCHING.gif
http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1522329992/Limestone-Washington-boys-to-face-off-for-Class-3A-regional-title (http://www.pjstar.com/sports/preps/x1522329992/Limestone-Washington-boys-to-face-off-for-Class-3A-regional-title)
QuoteTroy Adams added 13 points for Washington, while Alec Peters, was being shut down by Morton.
Peters went just 3-for-6 from the floor and scored a season-low eight points, but finished with 13 boards.
"He's a Division I player that didn't quit," Brown said. "He had to find satisfaction with his teammates scoring.
"He went out and rebounded. The key was that the other guys scored because he never quit moving."
Lexus Williams and the 18-10 Marist Redhawks advanced to a 4A Regional final as well with a victory over Hyde Park. Williams had 19 points and 7 assists.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-26/sports/ct-spt-0227-prep-bkb-marist-hyde-park-20130226_1_marist-coach-gene-nolan-lexus-williams-hyde-park (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-26/sports/ct-spt-0227-prep-bkb-marist-hyde-park-20130226_1_marist-coach-gene-nolan-lexus-williams-hyde-park)
Next: Friday's reward is a second game in a week span against Jabari Parker & Simeon, who beat them by 26 in the prequel. Oh well. At least Lexus played well there:
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-23/sports/ct-spt-0224-prep-bkb-simeon-marist-20130223_1_kendrick-nunn-jabari-parker-simeon-coach-robert-smith (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-23/sports/ct-spt-0224-prep-bkb-simeon-marist-20130223_1_kendrick-nunn-jabari-parker-simeon-coach-robert-smith)
QuoteValparaiso-bound guard Lexus Williams was the only player able to make a dent in Simeon's defense in the first half, totaling 11 of his 16 points as Simeon took a 30-16 halftime lead. - See more at: http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-23/sports/ct-spt-0224-prep-bkb-simeon-marist-20130223_1_kendrick-nunn-jabari-parker-simeon-coach-robert-smith#sthash.VsxtT0Ls.dpuf (http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2013-02-23/sports/ct-spt-0224-prep-bkb-simeon-marist-20130223_1_kendrick-nunn-jabari-parker-simeon-coach-robert-smith#sthash.VsxtT0Ls.dpuf)
Tonight: Jubril Adekoya and 14-11 Andrew vs. Stagg in IHSA 4A Regional semifinal.
MARCH MADNESS™:
ON THE WRONG SIDE OF THE CIGARETTE TAX EDITIONYesterday: Jubril Adekoya and the 14-12 Andrew Thunderbolts lost a 59-58 heartbreaker in double overtime to Stagg in the 4A regional semifinal, despite leading by nine at half and despite
22 points from JBoogie. When he fouled out with 1:04 to go in the first OT, Andrew didn't fold though, giving up two late leads in each OT.
http://seasonpass.suntimes.com/news_article/show/233284-white-stagg-sink-andrew-in-thriller- (http://seasonpass.suntimes.com/news_article/show/233284-white-stagg-sink-andrew-in-thriller-)
He had this to say to the papers:
Quote"This hurts a little but I'm just proud of the team," said Adekoya, who will attend Valparaiso in the fall. "We fought as hard as we could."
and (ironically) was less laconic on twitter:
QuoteJust wanted to give a big thanks to Andrew, the community, and everybody who rode with us and supported us from the jump. Wasn't always pretty but you all hung with us til the end. Love you all for that. Couldn't ask for a better team to put my hard hat on with and go to work with everyday and I mean that. Easily the best 4 years of my life and I'm sorry I couldn't leave everybody with a little more to hang on to. Out of 8th grade I had the option of going to a CPS school or a catholic school, but I stayed home where I knew we could make something happen. Nobody believe in us but I made it my mission to put us on the map. I'm just proud man and I know I'm getting lengthy but my thanks can just go for days. Thanks again everybody and its love to everybody that rode with us man I'm gonna miss it #THUNDERUP #⚡
Classy kid, and you can catch a glimpse of why he signed with us in there, as well as one of why we're glad he did.
Next: against, I don't know, Athletes-Inaction or something. High school's OVA, man. Sorry.
Tonight: --
Alec Peters and 28-1 Washington vs. Limestone for a 4A regional title.
--
Lexus Williams and 18-10 Marist tilt at a windmill named JABARI PARKER and Simeon in another 4A regional final. #shocktheworld
MARCH MADNESS™: the real kind
Tonight:
--Clay Yeo leads Triton against the hosts of the Class A Culver Community Sectional semifinal, trying to avenge one of their few defeats on the year. (VU recruit Ryan Fazekas and Marquette could be waiting in the final...)
--Nick Davidson leads 18-3 Andrean against Rensselaer Polytechnic in the Class 3A KV Sectional semi.
MARCH MADNESS®:
the kind that spawns Jimmy Chitwoods annually
Yesterday
--Nick Davidson and Andrean throttled Rensselaer 66-38. Davidson led the way with 13 points and the Bombers' season came to an end at his hand, just like it has every year since he was a freshman.
http://www.nwitimes.com/high-school/hanover-central/andrean-to-meet-hanover-for-k-v-title/article_a87d2170-e637-53d4-87d2-f48bb67ac4e1.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/high-school/hanover-central/andrean-to-meet-hanover-for-k-v-title/article_a87d2170-e637-53d4-87d2-f48bb67ac4e1.html)
Maybe that's why he's not going to St. Joseph...he's not very popular there.
Next: Davidson tries to make it four sectionals in four years in the championship versus 15-7 Hanover Central, a rematch of last year destined to end as it did then: with a 59er victory!
--Clay Yeo sat the last 7 minutes of the 3rd quarter with foul trouble (yeah, you're remembering correctly, HS quarters are still only 8 minutes) but came back in the 4th to score 11 of his game-high 16 points and turn at 28-22 lead into a secure 44-32 win over Culver Community, avenging an earlier loss.
Next: Tonight Yeo leads Triton into battle with Ryan Fazekas and Marquette, who dispatched Westville easily (81-46) behind 20 points and 16 boards from the sophomore. Fazekas converted three Bruce Lindner 3-pointers in the game (old-school three-point plays). Sounds like a tough kid. Going to be a good game!
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/marquette-s-bigs-too-much-for-westville-at-culver-sectonal/article_ce03e15c-29a8-5b91-b55b-a6de781c5e63.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/marquette-s-bigs-too-much-for-westville-at-culver-sectonal/article_ce03e15c-29a8-5b91-b55b-a6de781c5e63.html)
MARCH SADNESS:
well that's what happens when your state is inept at governanceYesterday --
Alec Peters and 28-1 Washington (man they play a lot of games over there) are now, shockingly, 28-2 after a season-ending upset, 69-64, in the 3A regional final. Peters had a Broekhoff stat line for the year: 22 pts & 9 boards per game (both of which led the area) and 1.8 steals, shooting a particularly Rowdyesque 53.6 / 44.3 / 83.3 (!).
After the game, Peters continued Illinois' future Crusaders' habit of saying introspective things that show maturity:
(http://oi46.tinypic.com/dzhz7l.jpg)
The oldest tweet in that series prompted a coach's reply and a bit of touching digital man-hug:
(http://oi48.tinypic.com/2qamdlz.jpg)
Next: i dunno, probably like the United World All-Stars of Slovenia & Latvia or something. In the words of Something Corporate: "high school's over".
--As most expected,
Lexus Williams and Marist became the latest in a long line of Illinois HS basketball teams to see their seasons shipwrecked by the force of nature that is Jabari Parker and Simeon, 66-31. When Williams and Tx-PanAm-bound teammate LJ McIntosh put up 35 combined on Simeon last week, Simeon reacted as though they had lost that game, when in fact they had won by 26. The Marist duo were put on lockdown and had just four points through the first three quarters (they trailed by the footballesque score of 30-7 at half). Williams battled foul trouble all game, picking up two quick ones early and never really recovering.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/simeon/ct-spt-0302-prep-bkb-simeon-regional-final-20130301,0,6865663.story (http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/highschool/simeon/ct-spt-0302-prep-bkb-simeon-regional-final-20130301,0,6865663.story)
After the game Williams (@smoovelex) kept the streak alive to 3 future Crusaders already maturing and observed
QuoteFeeling down but what a great 4 years I had playing for Marist! I loved every moment. From a win to a loss. It was all memorable!
Also on Twitter, user MBarry15 posted this picture with the observation "Simeon has more assistant coaches than Marist has points." (I have a feeling he and I would get along.) Seriously, what is this, pee-wee football?
(http://oi46.tinypic.com/e8kf1k.jpg)
At least Williams and
Jubril Adekoya were named All-Area Honorable Mention earlier in the day:
http://seasonpass.suntimes.com/news_article/show/233276?referrer_id=596370 (http://seasonpass.suntimes.com/news_article/show/233276?referrer_id=596370)
Next: what, Setshot's favorite D3 sacrificial lamb? OK, ok, high school's not over, just HS basketball.
Trition wins and faces Marquette tonight in the Culver sectional final.
http://www.thepilotnews.com/content/trojans-beat-culver-head-final (http://www.thepilotnews.com/content/trojans-beat-culver-head-final)
Apostle, come IHSA regional/sectional play, the varsity head coach brings all of his coaches, varsity assistants, sophomore level, and freshman level coaches to the bench with him. Gives some of them experience coaching in a game that means more than just building up program basics and traditions. Yes, it looks like the end of our bench, with transfers, managers, and eligible players sitting out with injuries, but this happens all over, as a part of program expectations, since so many programs bring up potential sophomores and freshmen to fill a couple more roster spots, so they can get experience being with varsity, even if they don't play at all.
Quote from: valporun on March 02, 2013, 10:45:27 AM
Apostle, come IHSA regional/sectional play, the varsity head coach brings all of his coaches, varsity assistants, sophomore level, and freshman level coaches to the bench with him. Gives some of them experience coaching in a game that means more than just building up program basics and traditions. Yes, it looks like the end of our bench, with transfers, managers, and eligible players sitting out with injuries, but this happens all over, as a part of program expectations, since so many programs bring up potential sophomores and freshmen to fill a couple more roster spots, so they can get experience being with varsity, even if they don't play at all.
So you're saying a team needs
EIGHT assistant coaches? That would mean that their varsity has two assistants, then the JV coach, two JV assistants, a freshman coach and two freshman assistants (assuming that would be the breakdown)?????? To have that many guys on the bench is absurd...how on earth do you actually "use" these coaches during a game? Is each one assigned a player (which would also be absurd)?
Edit: Sorry, that all came across as harsh, but I don't feel like changing it...I certainly didn't mean it that way...I was too busy laughing at the picture and just got going...I guarantee you that several (most?) of these guys are volunteers (perhaps even parents, uncles, brothers, etc.) who are basically trying to get on their resume that they were an assistant at Simeon and they coached Jabari Parker...and they'll all try to be the one who takes credit for working individually with him (not that I blame them...)
Nope, two or three varsity coaches (one of which is also the head JV coach), two sophomore coaches, two freshmen coaches, and one of the "coaches" may also be the athletic trainer. You may have a volunteer coach or two, but all coaches in the state of Illinois have to be certified by the state athletics association, whether they are a teacher, who is certified with their teaching certifcation, or a coach who took a certification course through the state that teaches coaching philosophy, ethics/morals, and first aid. Schools aren't allowed to have non-certified coaches on their staff, or they lose right to participate in IHSA sanctioned playoffs/championships.
Certified and volunteer are not mutually exclusive. And, if they're paying that many guys to be coaches, the better have the best damn arts program in Illinois. I'm not arguing with you, I just think it's ridiculous.
Chicago is its own ballgame when it comes to what they'll spend money on, compared to the rest of the state. You have to be "Certified" through the state, or you can't coach, whether you are paid or not. I was a certified volunteer track and cross country coach at my old high school, and if you weren't certified, you couldn't coach. The team with any uncertified coach would lose the right to play in IHSA-sponsored state championship rounds because the coach wasn't certified by the state. They checked on this regularly.
I know you aren't arguing with me, but each state has different requirements of their coaches, but the certification standards are becoming almost essential everywhere, with so many unethical coaches just looking to pad records and getting ineligible kids on their teams. I know a lot of people in the communities I live around don't like this need to be certified, because all they are wanting is for our programs to be able to compete with Chicago, but a lot of the coaches they are saying we should have coaching are the types that aren't looking out for the best in the student's education and future, but his ego.
Coaches, smoaches. They can sit behind the bench, can't they? Think how far that pushes the players into the frickin' hallway.
Ridonk.
Apostle, in Chicago, the gyms are big enough that the players sit in chairs, and there is enough space to sit 8 coaches. Heck, watch a lot of these games, and you'll see each coach from all three levels, sitting on the varsity bench, even if 6 of those coaches are acting as statisticians/advisors/managers, and not actually coaching individual players. It's just an expectation of the system that is Chicago Public School League basketball. It is a completely different basketball brand in CPS, and they are constantly petitioning the IHSA to let them have their own state championship for just CPS because they don't want to have their kids' college recruiting be hindered by playing the smaller suburban schools in regional and sectional play.
Dude, I'm saying that
a) the guy who took it knows all that unless for some reason that's his first postseason game ever
and
b) the fact remains that they have more coaches than Marist had 1st half points.
Quote from: ValpoHoops on March 02, 2013, 10:52:27 AM
So you're saying a team needs EIGHT assistant coaches? That would mean that their varsity has two assistants, then the JV coach, two JV assistants, a freshman coach and two freshman assistants (assuming that would be the breakdown)?????? To have that many guys on the bench is absurd...how on earth do you actually "use" these coaches during a game? Is each one assigned a player (which would also be absurd)?
It happens. Here's the roster from Lawrence North HS in Indy from a few years ago. http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x409/zvillehaze/LNRoster.jpg (http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x409/zvillehaze/LNRoster.jpg) That's 6 varsity coaches, 2 JV coaches and 2 freshman coaches. Of course, maybe they just figured that every guy 6'5" or over needed their own coach ... who knows?
MARCH MADNESS®:
the kind that has less class the more classes it hasTonight --
Nick Davidson and Andrean manhandled Hanover Central 69-47 (leading 48-14 at half) for Davidson's fourth sectional title. Top
that, homeboy.
11 pts, 6 assists:
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/andrean-boys-win-th-straight-sectional-title/article_a2913859-3095-59c4-9a61-8b15088758b9.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/andrean-boys-win-th-straight-sectional-title/article_a2913859-3095-59c4-9a61-8b15088758b9.html)
QuoteIt doesn't get any better for Andrean.
"It really can't," Davidson said. "This senior class can go out saying that they've never lost a sectional game, and that's pretty impressive.
"We've won four sectionals in a row and it just goes to the credit to the coaching staff and the kid's willingness to work and get better and to never be satisfied. This one is really sweet and we're going to enjoy it, but we know if we keep working hard and keep our heads we can really do some damage."
...
"In the first quarter we got a little rhythm going and that carried over into the second quarter," Davidson said. "It's just so much fun, and that's why you play the game for moments like that. You're having fun out there with your teammates and just enjoying it."
Next: Davidson and Andrean try to finally break their antepenultimate round jinx in the 3A Plymouth regional vs. Gary Wallace
--
Clay Yeo ensured that last year's one-point victory over #8 Marquette in the sectional final was repeated, scoring over 2/3 of his team's points in a 47-46 semi-upset.
QuoteClay Yeo won a sectional title for Triton on Saturday night. The Valparaiso-bound senior scored 32 points and grabbed 10 rebounds... The offense revolves around getting him the ball.
That last line got an autobid to the NCOS (National Championship of Obvious Statements).
The game write-up also has some of the nice bitter statements the losing coaches always give when they (feel they)'ve been jobbed and are forced to talk with a reporter within 5
minutes months of the final buzzer.
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/triton-squeaks-by-marquette/article_9d54190a-1543-5324-9bfb-2f35ca39df88.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/triton-squeaks-by-marquette/article_9d54190a-1543-5324-9bfb-2f35ca39df88.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter)
QuoteYeo did pick off a pair of key passes in the final minute, including one on the Blazers' final inbounds play with three seconds left to seal the victory for Triton (17-5).
Next: vs. winner of FW Canterbury vs. Lakewood Park (Monday because FWC girls won state title today). Triton hosts their own regional, so if Clay was getting the calls at Culver, just imagine...or don't, if you're a Bowman fan. Triton lost last year but was champion his sophomore year.
Quote from: zvillehaze on March 02, 2013, 10:11:01 PM
It happens. Here's the roster from Lawrence North HS in Indy from a few years ago. http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x409/zvillehaze/LNRoster.jpg (http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x409/zvillehaze/LNRoster.jpg) That's 6 varsity coaches, 2 JV coaches and 2 freshman coaches. Of course, maybe they just figured that every guy 6'5" or over needed their own coach ... who knows?
Yikes, how does one public HS district that is based on geographic limits and has 'only' 2500 kids, have a roster with: 7-0 (1), 6-10 (1), 6-9 (3) and 6-7 (4) players ???
That runs contrary to the rules of both genetics and probability. That is, unless there is some recruiting shenanigans and/or surreptitious mid-night moves going on.
But I guess in their defense, there was not a single 6-6 guy on the roster. :popcorn:
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 03, 2013, 08:35:00 AM
Quote from: zvillehaze on March 02, 2013, 10:11:01 PM
It happens. Here's the roster from Lawrence North HS in Indy from a few years ago. http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x409/zvillehaze/LNRoster.jpg (http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x409/zvillehaze/LNRoster.jpg) That's 6 varsity coaches, 2 JV coaches and 2 freshman coaches. Of course, maybe they just figured that every guy 6'5" or over needed their own coach ... who knows?
Yikes, how does one public HS district that is based on geographic limits and has 'only' 2500 kids, have a roster with: 7-0 (1), 6-10 (1), 6-9 (3) and 6-7 (4) players ???
That runs contrary to the rules of both genetics and probability. That is, unless there is some recruiting shenanigans and/or surreptitious mid-night moves going on.
But I guess in their defense, there was not a single 6-6 guy on the roster. :popcorn:
When you live in Indy you can choose which HS to go to.
Aha! So Lawrence is sort of a basketball magnet school ? Similar to a high school that specializes in, say, music and art, or science?
IHSAA officially would have a problem with a student choosing a school to play basketball. However, it's hard to make the case. The IHSAA may rule that the transfer would be for athletic purpose (when any reasonable person in the state could figure out what was going on), but when it gets to court, you'd practically need to have a video of the kid saying that he was transferring for athletic purposes to make the IHSAA ruling stick.
Quote from: Kyle321n on March 03, 2013, 11:08:14 AM
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 03, 2013, 08:35:00 AM
Quote from: zvillehaze on March 02, 2013, 10:11:01 PM
It happens. Here's the roster from Lawrence North HS in Indy from a few years ago. http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x409/zvillehaze/LNRoster.jpg (http://i1180.photobucket.com/albums/x409/zvillehaze/LNRoster.jpg) That's 6 varsity coaches, 2 JV coaches and 2 freshman coaches. Of course, maybe they just figured that every guy 6'5" or over needed their own coach ... who knows?
Yikes, how does one public HS district that is based on geographic limits and has 'only' 2500 kids, have a roster with: 7-0 (1), 6-10 (1), 6-9 (3) and 6-7 (4) players ???
That runs contrary to the rules of both genetics and probability. That is, unless there is some recruiting shenanigans and/or surreptitious mid-night moves going on.
But I guess in their defense, there was not a single 6-6 guy on the roster. :popcorn:
When you live in Indy you can choose which HS to go to.
Where did you hear this?
Within Marion County there are 10 school districts. I don't believe you can switch school districts unless going to a private school.
Indy Public Schools (IPS) is by far the subpar school district and a lot of their students attend private schools such as Cathedral, Roncalli, Brebeuf Jesuit, Cardinal Ritter, Lutheran, Scecina Memorial, Heritage Christian, Covenant Christian, etc.
Maybe within the IPS district you can choose which of the public high schools you go to. Broad Ripple, Northwest, Arsenal Tech, Shortridge, Crispus Attucks, Washington. Arlington, John Marshall, Manual and Howe.
Within each school district there is usually only one high school......Franklin Township(southeast)=Franklin Central, Decatur Township(southwest)=Decatur Central, Warren Township(east central)=Warren Central, Washington Township(north central)=North Central, Pike Township(northwest)-Pike, Wayne Township(west central)=Ben Davis.
There are some school districts with 2 high schools......Perry Township (south central)=Perry Meridian and Southport, Lawrence Township (northeast)=Lawrence Central and Lawrence North. Along with some independent suburbs that have their own schools outside of the township school districts......Beech Grove(in Perry Township but independent school district), Speedway(in Wayne Township but independent school district).
Within the suburb of Lawrence, in Lawrence Township which includes the area of the former Ft. Harrison, which is one of the better suburban areas within Marion County, Lawrence North has become known as the basketball school and Lawrence Central has become known as the football school.
Some families have moved into the Lawrence Township school district just so they can play sports. The well known ones are the Conleys, Mike Conley, JR, and Greg Oden and his mother. The Oden's moved from Terre Haute. Mike Conley SR grew up in Chicago and gained employment as an agent in the Indy area. They moved to Lawrence because of LN's basketball coach, Jack Keefer. Another good basketball player on those LN teams was one Brandon McPherson.
Here's the thing, though. If they don't need that in college or the NBA, where the stakes are higher and the games far more numerous, then they don't need that in high school.
And if you're going to play the "teaching kids" card, then there should be 42 coaches on every middle school bench.
again. RIDONK.
From Alec Peters on Twitter (https://twitter.com/petersalec):
QuoteMr. Basketball finalist #blessed
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 03, 2013, 11:46:48 AM
Aha! So Lawrence is sort of a basketball magnet school ? Similar to a high school that specializes in, say, music and art, or science?
Um, sort of. It's kind of that way all over the city. Not all that long ago Indianapolis Pike had 7 D1 players on it's roster at the same time. There are soo many good players down here it's crazy.
*IF I remember correctly that Lawrence North team didn't win sectionals.
Quote from: milanmiracle on March 06, 2013, 02:07:56 PM
Quote from: VULB#62 on March 03, 2013, 11:46:48 AM
Aha! So Lawrence is sort of a basketball magnet school ? Similar to a high school that specializes in, say, music and art, or science?
Um, sort of. It's kind of that way all over the city. Not all that long ago Indianapolis Pike had 7 D1 players on it's roster at the same time. There are soo many good players down here it's crazy.
*IF I remember correctly that Lawrence North team didn't win sectionals.
There were at least 7 DI guys on that Lawrence North team, and you're correct, they lost to North Central in the sectional finals. North Central lost to eventual state champ Brownsburg the following week.
MARCH MADNESS®:
the kind that gets regionals and sectionals in the proper orderSaturday --
Nick Davidson and Andrean broke their regional jinx in winning two-in-a-day, the way it used to be in days when boys were men, shorts were short, and tattoos were as rare as a small school winning it all.
For the day, Davidson had
30 points, 12 in a 71-56 semifinal win over Gary Lew Wallace and 18 to go along with
10 assists in the 70-60 OT final over host & nemesis Plymouth.
Andrean 71, Lew Wallace 56 (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/andrean-boys-win-th-straight-sectional-title/article_a2913859-3095-59c4-9a61-8b15088758b9.html)
Andrean 70, Plymouth 60 (OT) (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/andrean-survives-ot-thriller-to-head-to-semistate/article_e40f6056-b8c5-512f-91f3-ddcfa24c7965.html)
Quote"We know (6'9" Plymouth forward Mack Mercer) is a good player and scouted by a lot of good teams, but we were able to really attack him coming off of ball screens and stuff like that," Niners senior Nick Davidson said. "We were able to get him into foul trouble in the early stages of the game and that went over.
"When he came out of the game we knew we needed to attack that paint, he made it very difficult. When he came out of the game, you could tell that it really opened up."
Davidson, who scored 10 of his 18 points in the third quarter, secured a double-double with 10 assists. He had eight of those assists in the second half.
Next: Davidson and 22-3 Andrean play Saturday for the 3A semistate title in the afternoon game in Huntington against 22-4 FW Concordia. Ooh! A Catholic-Lutheran battle! BRING IT.
--
Clay Yeo led the way for Triton in a similarly successful Saturday, first avenging last year's regional loss to Tab-Gerardot-alma-mater Fort Wayne Canterbury, with 17 points in a Broekhoff-like performance (there I said it). He shut down his counterpart, holding FWC's star Trent VanHorn, to 11 points on 3 of 17 shooting.
Triton 44, FW Canterbury 41 (http://www.staceypageonline.com/2013/03/09/trojans-exhale-savor-win-over-cavs/)
QuoteMuch as it did in the win against Culver in the sectional semis, Triton had to navigate a bulk of the third quarter with a foul-ridden Yeo on the bench. And again, a host of Trojans stepped forward to chip in.
..."That's what this team is all about," [Triton coach Jason] Groves said. "They know that Clay is the main man, but they know their role. When he isn't doing things, they know they have to step up. Our kids are unselfish, they don't care who gets the credit. They recognized the situation and saw Clay was in foul trouble, and they all stepped up."
Yeo again set himself apart in the fourth quarter, scoring Triton's last five points and coming up with a pair of big blocks. His 17 points were stacked with just a 3-of-10 conversion from the floor, but Yeo hit all 11 of his free throws. Toss in nine rebounds, five assists and six huge blocks and it was another Yeo-man's effort.
That last line got an autobid to the NCOJIWEM (National Championship of Obvious Jokes I Wouldn't Even Make).
The championship game left Triton on fumes as their opponent Pioneer had won the earlier game (over Gary 21st Century) by a comfortable 63-49 margin. Nevertheless, playing at home for the last time brought out the best in Our Man In Bourbon, who poured in 35 points on 13 of 17 shooting to restore his 27 ppg average from the earlier game. Oh, and by the way his team won by 12 too.
Triton 53, Pioneer 41 (http://www.staceypageonline.com/2013/03/09/trojans-do-it-again-reclaim-glory/)
QuoteAs he has done all season, and for the second time in the course of Saturday's do-or-die scenarios, Clay Yeo was a class above the rest. Yeo shot an outstanding 13-for-17 from the floor, including three from long-range, to finish with 35 points. In another do-it-all platform for Yeo, each passing opportunity warranted another chance to offer more than just chucking the ball at the hoop and seeing what happens. Yeo added five rebounds, three blocks, two steals, an assist and sent the partisan crowd into hysterics after throwing down his first dunk of the playoffs.
"Oh my God, this is awesome, it's great. Just look at it, people are everywhere," Yeo said, reminding us he is still a kid after performing like someone past his years thus far in the tourney. "I know everybody and I'm going to get a thousand hugs. This is going to be awesome."
Yeo's dunk was actually a key moment in the second half, as the sequence had Yeo flush a steal for two, then come back down a trip later and spin to the hoop for two more. After being fouled on a made bucket, Yeo put Triton up 31-26 and the separation between the Trojans and Panthers had officially begun.
Next: The 19-5 Trojans advance to the 1A semistate in the afternoon game at Lafayette Jeff (too bad they couldn't put them in the same one as Andrean so VU fans could go cheer for both) versus perennial power#6 Lafayette Central Catholic (18-8).
For his career, Yeo has 1,950 points, 615 coming this year.
So far.
BONUS Clay Yeo twitter fun...
1) after the sectional championship:
(http://oi47.tinypic.com/2yzh3dx.jpg)
i dunno...maybe it's all the dunking?
2) shout-out from former teammate and VU walk-on hero-legend:
(http://oi46.tinypic.com/2ywxw9l.jpg)
3) thoughts on the GB game, retweeted from a friend :)
(http://oi50.tinypic.com/fk4rq0.jpg)
Not sure if this affects our recruiting him positively or negatively, but 2015 F/C Matt Holba (who holds a VU offer) is leaving Chesterton and moving with his family to Indianapolis, where he will play for upstart and 3A defending champs Guerin Catholic. 10 ppg, 7 rpg, 2 bpg as a sophomore for the 13-9 Trojans, who lose their latest star big man (Mitch McGary, anyone?)...
NWI: http://www.nwitimes.com/high-school/chesterton/basketball-football-standout-holba-leaving-chesterton/article_5882540b-52b7-5fea-be43-d676a671561d.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/high-school/chesterton/basketball-football-standout-holba-leaving-chesterton/article_5882540b-52b7-5fea-be43-d676a671561d.html)
P-T (login required): http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/18793428-556/matt-holba-to-transfer-from-chesterton-to-guerin-catholic.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/18793428-556/matt-holba-to-transfer-from-chesterton-to-guerin-catholic.html)
Here are some interesting tidbits for the Concordia Andrean game.
- There will be a ton of VU alumni at the game. The high school is more closely affiliated to VU because of a fair amount of alums on the faculty and staff.
- You will be watching 2 VU recruits not just 1. Junior DJ McCall from Concordia visited VU about 3 weeks ago and has been wearing a VU hoodie ever since. As far as I know he has not been offered by anyone other than Chicago State, but there appears to be interest from VU.
McCall is very young 6'6"and still growing and can be compared to Jordan Coleman athletically. He has good ball handling skills and is sometimes called on to play the point.
Here is a link to a local station that has video of the Concordia Norwell regional championship game and some bonus coverage of Triton vs Canterbury. Concordia Triton video (http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/sports/high-school/Concordia-3A-Regional-Champs-New-Haven-Norwell-Luers-Beaten-in-Finals-196724131.html?vid=a)
For those from "Da Region" interested in watching an extended video of Concordia in a good game against 4A Homestead before the Andrean game here it is.
12-22 Homestead 48 | Concordia 55 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0x3r9Zf49g#ws)
Concordia is an interesting team with a lot of experience. 4 of the starting 5 are seniors and all 4 will either play college basketball or football.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 12, 2013, 07:45:21 AM
Not sure if this affects our recruiting him positively or negatively, but 2015 F/C Matt Holba (who holds a VU offer) is leaving Chesterton and moving with his family to Indianapolis, where he will play for upstart and 3A defending champs Guerin Catholic. 10 ppg, 7 rpg, 2 bpg as a sophomore for the 13-9 Trojans, who lose their latest star big man (Mitch McGary, anyone?)...
NWI: http://www.nwitimes.com/high-school/chesterton/basketball-football-standout-holba-leaving-chesterton/article_5882540b-52b7-5fea-be43-d676a671561d.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/high-school/chesterton/basketball-football-standout-holba-leaving-chesterton/article_5882540b-52b7-5fea-be43-d676a671561d.html)
P-T (login required): http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/18793428-556/matt-holba-to-transfer-from-chesterton-to-guerin-catholic.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/18793428-556/matt-holba-to-transfer-from-chesterton-to-guerin-catholic.html)
Crap! Guerin from Noblesville in Hamilton County is tough enough. They and LCC will be having a battle for the Archbishop's title every year. This will be no altar boy battle. The Knights and the Golden Eagles (Marquette and ORU-imagine) are very tough. Tougher than Andrean and Bishop Noll.
http://www.guerincatholic.org/ (http://www.guerincatholic.org/)
http://www.lcss.org/centralcatholic/Home.aspx (http://www.lcss.org/centralcatholic/Home.aspx)
With the new IHSAA system for advancing schools that win often LCC will most likely be a 1A in 3A and Guerin will be a 3A in 4A. But when it comes to battling each other class doesn't matter.
Quote from: bbtds on March 12, 2013, 09:40:44 AMbattle for the Archbishop's title
Really? Has the seat of Lafayette-in-Indiana (http://www.dol-in.org/index.cfm?load=page&page=100) been elevated to such lofty heights already? ;)
Speaking of Guerin, thanks for the link--looks like
VU's own Mark Duray (early-mid 90s?) is the Director of Fine Arts there!
More video of Concordia's D J McCall versus Bishop Luers (the Blackmon brothers, IU commits). The highlights start at 1:26 with the first of McCall's 3 dunks not long after that time.
12/14/12 Friday Night Highlight Zone Part 1 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRYegWZVp3k#ws)
Since this is in today's news, I thought I'd note that this player has had an offer from Valpo:
http://www.kentucky.com/2013/03/11/2552144/waiting-begins-for-sweet-sixteen.html (http://www.kentucky.com/2013/03/11/2552144/waiting-begins-for-sweet-sixteen.html)
Quote from: FWalum on March 12, 2013, 12:30:00 PMthe first of McCall's 3 dunks
man! that guy sure goes up effortlessly (and especially not being taller than everyone else on the court either)!
I love this monster thread, but perhaps we could get a "recruiting" sub-board, where individual people could have their own thread (eg McCall, even this Hawkins guy who doesn't seem that interested) and people could weigh in on them individually?
guys like FW who have coached etc could give their personal scout's take, etc., all the available data and updates could be posted there?
or would that fractionalize our board too much?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 12, 2013, 03:39:31 PM
Quote from: FWalum on March 12, 2013, 12:30:00 PMthe first of McCall's 3 dunks
man! that guy sure goes up effortlessly (and especially not being taller than everyone else on the court either)!
I love this monster thread, but perhaps we could get a "recruiting" sub-board, where individual people could have their own thread (eg McCall, even this Hawkins guy who doesn't seem that interested) and people could weigh in on them individually?
guys like FW who have coached etc could give their personal scout's take, etc., all the available data and updates could be posted there?
or would that fractionalize our board too much?
that's really not a bad idea. i get rather confused from time to time trying to sort out who's who, but a sub-board with individual threads for each recruit would definitely make things easier. at least in my opinion.
Unfortunately, Hawkins is out of our league (pun intended). He might be a reach for a team like Butler or Purdue, but he's certainly out of our reach.
Quote from: atkins on March 12, 2013, 08:50:32 PM
Unfortunately, Hawkins is out of our league (pun intended). He might be a reach for a team like Butler or Purdue, but he's certainly out of our reach.
I understand what you are saying, but most would not have thought we could have received a commitment from one of the top 5 candidates for Illinois POY.
I agree . we have recruited very well this year. Hawkins is a point guard. Do we really need another PG as a recruit with 2 coming in next year. I would like to see another center or power forward signed. Hawkins states that he is a BIG Kentucky fan and wants to play for them. Kentucky has not offered ( according to verbalcommits.com ... a very interesting web site ) . He stated he has not heard from Valpo recently. Maybe getting Keith Carter changed plans.
yes we need a point gaurd
Even with Keith Carter and Lexus Williams and Lavonte Dority ( who can be used in a pinch ) > Don't forget that Nick Davidson can also play point. I still say we need another power guy.
We don't know if lexus will pan out, carter can't play til december, and with dority at the point were not sucsessful
Quote from: truth219 on March 12, 2013, 11:57:38 PMWe don't know if lexus will pan out, carter can't play til december, and with dority at the point were not sucsessful
I can't believe I'm debating this on this night of all nights.
We don't know if Lexus Williams will pan out? Guess what? We don't know if some Kentucky kid you just heard of that really doesn't want to go here will pan out either! Let's cut the kid a break since Lexus hasn't even BEEN TO PROM YET!
We have 13 scholarships for 5 positions. 2-3 is the average number to have per position, and that's exactly what we have: 2.6 point guards.
Let others have opinions, christ you act like your better than everyone especially me
just better than you in the "let's not have 5 point guards on a 13-player roster" department.
that's all.
and you can still have your wrong opinion. i'm certainly not preventing you.
only the mods can do that.
although...hmm...
I think this trip to the dance will be great for our committed recruits.... Such great motivation because they see it can be done.
Might even open the door for some transfers and others that were sitting on the fence.
Great time for VU basketball!
:-)
Quote from: Smj on March 13, 2013, 08:07:54 AM
I think this trip to the dance will be great for our committed recruits.... Such great motivation because they see it can be done.
Might even open the door for some transfers and others that were sitting on the fence.
Great time for VU basketball!
:-)
Making the dance never hurts recruiting, nor does being on TV, or having your program recognized nationally. Maybe this opens the door, if even just a crack, for a bigger and better recruit. Let's not forget that it took an Indiana Mr. Basketball to get Valpo to the Sweet 16, and while an Indiana Mr. Basktball isn't coming here anytime soon, it's going to take that quality of player to get where they all want to go.
It will definitely help give us more exposure to upcoming transfers. They will see that we are a transfer-friendly program that can get you playing time and an NCAA bid :)
Number of the incoming frosh were in the ARC last night, and it was very good for them to see the game, the championship presentation, the cutting of the nets and the general family picnic atmosphere of team, families, students, alums and friends on the court afterwards.
Anybody going to the Andrean Concordia Semi-State game on Saturday? I am very interested to see Nick Davidson be matched up with Marq Rogers from Concordia. Rogers is almost always matched up defensively with the opponents best player and will play defensive back next year for the Montana Grizzlies. He and Deshaun Thomas had some good battles when Marq was just a freshman. I wonder if the coaching staff will have anyone there to watch Davidson and McCall?
Quote from: FWalum on March 14, 2013, 12:54:51 PMAnybody going to the Andrean Concordia Semi-State game on Saturday? I am very interested to see Nick Davidson be matched up with Marq Rogers from Concordia. Rogers is almost always matched up defensively with the opponents best player
Should be interesting. VU and Andrean are similar in that they are deep, senior-led with everybody prepared to score. So maybe Rogers holds Davidson in check but Andrean still finds a a way to win? Sound familiar? Give us your take on just how good Nick is or isn't, but I think he might be able to someday reach near Matt Kenny type production levels.
Myself if I get out, will head for Jeff HS primarily to see the Central Catholic- Triton (Clay Yeo) game. Carmel-Merrillville also could also be a good one.
Then it sounds as if Andrean and Concordia are very similar experience wise. Concordia starts 4 seniors with McCall being the 5th starter and a junior. The starting 5 go 6'6", 6'5", 6'5" 6'5" and 6'3". Everybody but the point guard can score on any given night with McCall being the leading scorer. Concordia is pretty long but does not have the bulk that Andrean has from what I have heard. CLHS is not a great outside shooting team and relies a lot on transition baskets.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 12, 2013, 10:42:43 AM
Quote from: bbtds on March 12, 2013, 09:40:44 AMbattle for the Archbishop's title
Really? Has the seat of Lafayette-in-Indiana (http://www.dol-in.org/index.cfm?load=page&page=100) been elevated to such lofty heights already? ;)
With so many Catholic high schools in Indy under Archbishop Tobin in Indy I assumed LCC was under this Archbishop too.
well, it's under it in the sense that the AB is the metropolitan for the entire state of indiana, but Lafayette is its own diocese.
In states with smaller concentrations of Catholics, there are fewer dioceses (e.g. Arkansas, which is all the Diocese of Little Rock), but Indiana has the archdiocese of Indy, plus the dioceses of Gary (represent!), Evansville, Fort Wayne-South Bend, and Lafayette.
So LCC is in Lafayette, not Indy (obv) but where it gets tricky is that the southeast corner of that diocese, the area that's exploded recently, is there too, even though they would be considered part of the Indy metro area. So Guerin is in Lafayette(-in-Indiana the full name because of Louisiana), not Indy.
So they are indeed battling for the Bishop's title, but it's the bishop of Lafayette not the AB of Indy.
That's surely more than you ever cared to know :)
My stream-of-consciousness, light-hearted musings re: the incoming class -- based what I have personally observed (which is not too much) and what has been communicated by friends and relatives who have seen various guys play over the last couple of years: I think next year's team will soon be on the road to becoming special. Yeo and Peters are impressive. Yeo, in particular, is not afraid to aggressively take the ball inside and dunk it (something that this year's team doesn't like to do, apparently) or hit the outside shot. He's quick and agile. He needs to bulk up, but I see Yeo as a more-talented and more-athletic version of Ryan as a freshman. Peters is a tough, hard-nosed three-point shooter who drills shots -- Like Rotnei Clarke but much taller -- but who can also do some of the same things as Yeo. For those who know IU basketball history, both Yeo and Peters remind me a lot of Randy Wittman, which is a real compliment to them. As for Davidson and Lexus...they are pure and smart point guards. Both can shoot the ball -- including pull-up jumpers. Carter is very, very good. I think Carter has the point locked-down as soon as he is eligible. I don't know anybody who has been able to tell me about Jubril Adekoya, so he must be our secret weapon. We do, however, need to find an agile power forward.
Finally, am I being too optimistic to believe that Vashil will be a force next year? I think Yeo needs to teach him how to go up strong and just dunk the ball, and he needs to stop watching Kevin dribble and shoot a layup from two feet out.
Just musings, but still fun!
Quote from: atkins on March 15, 2013, 10:47:53 AM
My stream-of-consciousness, light-hearted musings re: the incoming class -- based what I have personally observed (which is not too much) and what has been communicated by friends and relatives who have seen various guys play over the last couple of years: I think next year's team will soon be on the road to becoming special. Yeo and Peters are impressive. Yeo, in particular, is not afraid to aggressively take the ball inside and dunk it (something that this year's team doesn't like to do, apparently) or hit the outside shot. He's quick and agile. He needs to bulk up, but I see Yeo as a more-talented and more-athletic version of Ryan as a freshman. Peters is a tough, hard-nosed three-point shooter who drills shots -- Like Rotnei Clarke but much taller -- but who can also do some of the same things as Yeo. For those who know IU basketball history, both Yeo and Peters remind me a lot of Randy Wittman, which is a real compliment to them. As for Davidson and Lexus...they are pure and smart point guards. Both can shoot the ball -- including pull-up jumpers. Carter is very, very good. I think Carter has the point locked-down as soon as he is eligible. I don't know anybody who has been able to tell me about Jubril Adekoya, so he must be our secret weapon. We do, however, need to find an agile power forward. Finally, am I being too optimistic to believe that Vashil will be a force next year? I think Yeo needs to teach him how to go up strong and just dunk the ball, and he needs to stop watching Kevin dribble and shoot a layup from two feet out.
Just musings, but still fun!
From what chef and others have said, Jubril is that tough, rebounding machine, power forward you were seeking!
Jubril is the one I'm most looking forward to see.
Quote from: Pgmado on March 15, 2013, 11:53:22 AMJubril is the one I'm most looking forward to see.
...because?
Quote from: atkins on March 15, 2013, 10:47:53 AM
My stream-of-consciousness, light-hearted musings re: the incoming class -- based what I have personally observed (which is not too much) and what has been communicated by friends and relatives who have seen various guys play over the last couple of years: I think next year's team will soon be on the road to becoming special. Yeo and Peters are impressive. Yeo, in particular, is not afraid to aggressively take the ball inside and dunk it (something that this year's team doesn't like to do, apparently) or hit the outside shot. He's quick and agile. He needs to bulk up, but I see Yeo as a more-talented and more-athletic version of Ryan as a freshman. Peters is a tough, hard-nosed three-point shooter who drills shots -- Like Rotnei Clarke but much taller -- but who can also do some of the same things as Yeo. For those who know IU basketball history, both Yeo and Peters remind me a lot of Randy Wittman, which is a real compliment to them. As for Davidson and Lexus...they are pure and smart point guards. Both can shoot the ball -- including pull-up jumpers. Carter is very, very good. I think Carter has the point locked-down as soon as he is eligible. I don't know anybody who has been able to tell me about Jubril Adekoya, so he must be our secret weapon. We do, however, need to find an agile power forward.
Finally, am I being too optimistic to believe that Vashil will be a force next year? I think Yeo needs to teach him how to go up strong and just dunk the ball, and he needs to stop watching Kevin dribble and shoot a layup from two feet out.
Just musings, but still fun!
I'll be interested to see if he's that aggressive against D1 college men as he is against 1A high school kids. It's a big difference. That said, I think he's got a pretty good game, and I really like that he can shoot with a hand in his face. I also like that he can get his own shot, (though I might suggest working on a move going left :) )
You're right, milan. That's exactly why he needs to bulk up, and hopefully he will.
Live finish to Andrean/Concordia game is at this website:
http://www.ihigh.com/whmb/broadcast_287871.html?silverlight=1 (http://www.ihigh.com/whmb/broadcast_287871.html?silverlight=1)
This same website will have the game archived for later.
Quote from: bbtds on March 16, 2013, 03:38:30 PM
Live finish to Andrean/Concordia game is at this website:
http://www.ihigh.com/whmb/broadcast_287871.html?silverlight=1 (http://www.ihigh.com/whmb/broadcast_287871.html?silverlight=1)
This same website will have the game archived for later.
Where's the OT?
Still don't play with shot-clock in high school, eh? Interesting.
A shot clock would create one more position to paid for each game. It may not be a big deal for big schools, but it would be another expense for the small schools that have seen budgets slashed by a hostile-to-public-education state government over the last five years.
Quote from: StlVUFan on March 16, 2013, 03:56:13 PM
Quote from: bbtds on March 16, 2013, 03:38:30 PM
Live finish to Andrean/Concordia game is at this website:
http://www.ihigh.com/whmb/broadcast_287871.html?silverlight=1 (http://www.ihigh.com/whmb/broadcast_287871.html?silverlight=1)
This same website will have the game archived for later.
Where's the OT?
Still don't play with shot-clock in high school, eh? Interesting.
The screen just goes blank on commercial time. So it comes back eventually.
By the way the pbp guy is Howard Kellman, voice of the Indy Indians, AAA Pirates.
I only saw the last two minutes of overtime. Davidson was 0-3 from 3PT range in that stretch, his team 1-5 altogether.
Concordia wins by 5 in OT. Davidson missed, I believe, a few shots in OT.
Congrats to the Lutherans!
Quote from: bbtds on March 16, 2013, 04:14:58 PMCongrats to the Lutherans!
Indeed! Although VU loses a little with this one ;)
Luckily looks like (Carmel) Clay Yeo to the title game next week...
Triton shuts down Central Catholic in Class A semistate championship
http://www.jconline.com/article/20130316/SPORTS0101/303160027 (http://www.jconline.com/article/20130316/SPORTS0101/303160027)
Quote from: wh on March 16, 2013, 05:02:31 PM
Triton shuts down Central Catholic in Class A semistate championship
http://www.jconline.com/article/20130316/SPORTS0101/303160027 (http://www.jconline.com/article/20130316/SPORTS0101/303160027)
Great! When do they play next?
Quote from: agibson on March 16, 2013, 05:12:06 PM
Quote from: wh on March 16, 2013, 05:02:31 PM
Triton shuts down Central Catholic in Class A semistate championship
http://www.jconline.com/article/20130316/SPORTS0101/303160027 (http://www.jconline.com/article/20130316/SPORTS0101/303160027)
Great! When do they play next?
http://indianahsbasketball.homestead.com/files/1Abracket.htm (http://indianahsbasketball.homestead.com/files/1Abracket.htm) Triton versus Borden in 1A at 10:00 a.m. EDT
http://indianahsbasketball.homestead.com/files/2Abracket.htm (http://indianahsbasketball.homestead.com/files/2Abracket.htm) Bowman Academy versus Linton in 2A at 12:45 p.m. EDT
http://indianahsbasketball.homestead.com/files/3Abracket.htm (http://indianahsbasketball.homestead.com/files/3Abracket.htm) Concordia Lutheran versus Greensburg in 3A at 6:00 p.m. EDT
http://indianahsbasketball.homestead.com/files/4Abracket.htm (http://indianahsbasketball.homestead.com/files/4Abracket.htm) Carmel versus Cathedral in 4A at 8:15 p.m. EDT
all games at Bankers Life Fieldhouse in downtown Indy on Saturday, March 23, 2013.
If the Lakeshore Public TV station doesn't have it or another NW Indiana station doesn't have it, channel 40 in Indy will have it at this website:
http://www.ihigh.com/ihsaachampionsnetwork/broadcast_283771.html?silverlight=1 (http://www.ihigh.com/ihsaachampionsnetwork/broadcast_283771.html?silverlight=1)
MARCH MADNESS®: can't win for lutherin'Saturday (http://bloximages.chicago2.vip.townnews.com/nwitimes.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/a/0f/a0fd1fc2-5e27-562a-92c0-4ca1ef232b4e/5144fdd66285c.preview-620.jpg)
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Nick Davidson and 22-4 Andrean had their hearts broken in almost-Brycelike style, losing a 9-point lead with under 4 minutes to play and falling in OT to 23-4 FW Concordia.
Davidson, targeted by the FWC defense, was held to
10 points and didn't even get a shot off until 38 seconds before halftime. He missed a free-throw with 1:45 to play in regulation that obviously would have come in handy.
Fort Wayne Canterbury 68, Andrean 63 (OT) (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/turnovers-fouls-eliminate-andrean-at-class-a-huntington-north-semistate/article_02c67f69-8cfc-5564-8ee8-863d7fb7b61c.html)
Quote"They were doubling Nick the whole game and putting so much pressure on him," Cunningham noted. "He's so smart. When he gets doubles, he looks for other people."
Davidson finished with seven rebounds and six assists, but also had six of the team's 19 turnovers, 12 coming in the fourth quarter.
all six were in the fourth quarter :( <
insert joke about how he's already ready for VU here>
great column by Steve Hanlon of the Times here...read it! (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/columnists/steve-hanlon/steve-hanlon-shakespeare-in-chuck-taylors/article_a7a9e123-c6ea-5a49-a5cc-68371f028717.html) once again, VU-bound seniors saying and doing the right things after a loss:
Quote"I'm going to have to go with Shakespeare here," Andrean senior Nick Davidson said. "It's better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all."
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"I take full responsibility for my turnovers," said Davidson, who had six in the final frame.
...
Yes, there were a couple of questionable calls, just like every high school game. With 33.4 left the 59ers picked the ball and Davidson was going in for a layup, which would've got the deficit to one.
But a late whistle put a Cadet on the line and that was a difference. A big difference.
The 59ers, though, should've put the game away much earlier.
from behind enemy lines: (http://www.news-sentinel.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20130316/SPORTS/130319627/1002)
QuoteThe Cadets never relented with their defense, forcing Andrean to turn the ball over an uncharacteristic 19 times. Entering Saturday, the Fighting 59ers had averaged 13 turnovers per contest.
Oof. i know, TOs...yecch.
Next: hey, it'd be cool if they brought the Harlem Globetrotters back to the ARC, right?
Bright spot: Besides some stoked Lutherans around here*,
DJ McCall, who has visited VU (but not been offered as mistakenly earlier claimed) had 20 points for FWC, which goes to state for the first time ever.
*Good Lutherans have a keen grasp of history (this side of Mel Piehl, anyway, and at least after 1517) and know that this avenges a loss in the semistate in 2000. :)Good news dept.(http://www.staceypageonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/yeo2-LOGO.jpg)
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Clay Yeo was "held" to a game-high
16 points but 20-5 Triton heads to state anyway (his second trip, last as a soph in 2011) with a comfortable win over 18-9 Lafayette Central Catholic (not a great day for the good guys today. welp.).
Triton 40, LCC 32 (http://www.staceypageonline.com/2013/03/16/one-more-hurdle-to-go-trojans-headed-to-state/)
Quote"You just have to block out the fans, it's five on five on the floor," said Triton's Clay Yeo. "You just go out and do what you know how to do. We play defense. We execute. We played physical today and just worked through it. We trusted each other to take care of business down the stretch. We came out on top."
Yeo was the factor everyone figured he would be, and then some. Not impacting into the second half stats as he had for the sectional and regional championships, Yeo played decoy as Catholic trapped Yeo and left several Trojans open at key times. Yeo finished with a balanced stat line, recording 16 points, eight rebounds, four assists, three blocks and a steal. But it was the attention paid to the 6-6 senior that made a huge difference.
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"I've got one more week to go, for sure," Yeo said. "It's my senior year and there are seniors out there with me just as hungry as I am. We're going to state, I wouldn't want it any other way. One week left."
Yes, I know the article wh posted claimed 10 boards for him. Seeing the picture above (albeit a previous game) I would bet on maybe 10
plus 8. (
ed note: another game writeup also gives him the double-double.)
wottsamatta, too lazy to find one from today? Okay, here you go. It's not as though he doesn't do this all the time, you know.
(http://www.staceypageonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/yeo-LOGO2-532x800.jpg)
...ALL the time? yep.
(http://cmsimg.jconline.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=BY&Date=20130316&Category=SPORTS0101&ArtNo=303160044&Ref=PH&Item=11&Maxw=620&Maxh=465&q=60)
wow. I know. Good times ahead.
is there a cloud in all this silver lining? Um...from the article below.
QuoteTo prove he is human, Yeo also paces his squad in turnovers (78).
GOOD GOD WHAT IS GOING ON AT THE THRIVENT FINANCIAL HOMERDOME I know. This doesn't bode well.
Give me something about frickin' turnovers I can look forward to. This is all I got.
(http://photos-ak.sparkpeople.com/nw/1/9/l198965093.jpg)
That makes the WSU second half so much more...palatable. I know, right?
Stop dialoguing with yourself and get to the aforementioned article.nice pregame article about the star (http://www.staceypageonline.com/2013/03/13/all-about-winning-for-star-yeo/)
QuoteYeo will have a lot to say on Saturday whether or not the tradition-rich Triton program wins its fourth semi state title or not. The versatile guard leads the Trojans in every statistical category, including scoring (26.7), rebounding (7.9), assists (68), steals (43), blocked shots (43), 3-pointers (30) and minutes played (660). He is shooting 56.7 percent from the field and 73.7 percent from the free throw line.
Please do read the article--long but good. If Paul Oren read it he might even decide he was more excited about Yeo than Adekoya :)
Next: The Trojans advance to the 1A title game at the unGodly hour of 10:30 AM Saturday vs. 23-3 Borden, who ironically tied with Triton for 10th in the final 1A poll. How do you feel now, voters?
Speaking of voting: Go here for a monster dunk and to vote for Clay for Mr. Basketball--currently up by just 16 votes over his ND-bound friend Demetrius Jackson:
http://www.indystar.com/interactive/article/20130312/SPORTS02/303120073 (http://www.indystar.com/interactive/article/20130312/SPORTS02/303120073)
(that won't actually help him win, but it's still cool.)
Yeo now has 1966 points, a good year if you were Bruce Lindner or Boog Powell, probably. Needs a pretty big game in the championship to hit 2K. But anyone want to bet against him?
Hands down, Section 140.
Yeo may actually be 6'6", either that or the 6'3" man he was guarding is only 6'1". Seems to have all the tools but as Milan suggested his current ability to drive left is limited to 3 dribbles or less. Very solid defender but was slow to leave his man to give help (needs to develop those eyes in the back of the head). He made several weak not well executed bounce passes which were picked off just like Matt, Erik, Ryan and Will made Tuesday night (so he should fit right in). Look for him to play mostly the 3 with a little 4 next year but he might someday be able to play a little 2. I like what I saw but it will take some time. For a big man bringing the ball up the floor against some pressure and traps I like his court sense.
The photos illustrate Yeo's ability to play at or above the rim. As I noted previously, all he needs to do is to bulk up, and he'll be a force for the next several years at Valpo. As for Davidson, with six turnovers, he'll fit right in at Valpo (just kidding, of course). Both of these guys will be fun to watch next year, along with their classmates.
Quote
"I'm going to have to go with Shakespeare here," Andrean senior Nick Davidson said. "It's better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all."
Not exactly the most literate freshman class, it seems. But points for trying.
QuoteBright spot: Besides some stoked Lutherans around here*, VU-offered DJ McCall had 20 points for FWC, which goes to state for the first time ever.
Not sure where this is coming from. Spoke to one of the Concordia coaches Wednesday and unless he is unaware or the offer came after that time, McCall has only visited VU and had not been offered as of yet. If you have some different information from a creditable source please share.
Quote from: FWalum on March 17, 2013, 01:48:04 AMNot sure where this is coming from.
Sorry--I got him confused with someone else and conflated interest with offer! Corrected, thanks.
Had been asked to give my thoughts on Nick Davidson's performance. I really gave it some thought and wanted to temper my comments. I have only seen him play one time, every player has an off game, I am sure that the coaching staff has seen him play many many times and I trust their judgement. I was at the game with a number of VU alums, coaches and even some officials and all of them were concerned with his performance as a point guard. Lets start with some of the good things.
- Nick appears to be a legit 6'4" and likes to try and post up opposing guards. This was not effective against Rogers or McCall from a scoring standpoint, but I thought it allowed him to rebound pretty well.
- Nick did a nice job passing out of the double team that either led to a bucket or started a ball rotation that led to an open look at the basket. Many of us wondered why CLHS continued to double him.
- I think he was 6 of 7 from the line so pretty good free-throw shooting despite what is an odd hitch in his motion.
Now on to the parts that concerned most of us.
- As I mentioned in a previous post, CLHS has a pretty good lock down defender in Marq Rogers. Marq is 6'4" and long and Nick really had trouble with him in straight up situations. IMO CLHS did much better on Davidson when they did not double him and he did not have available wide open teammates. Rodgers picked him twice, caused at least 2 traveling calls and several bad passes.
- Nick could not create his own shot. Rodgers really prevented him from driving to the basket while also defending well against the post up that we were told was a favorite tactic of Andrean in must make situations. As a matter of fact Nick only took one shot in the first half and that did not come until there was only about 40 seconds left.
- Quickness does not seem to be one of Nick's strengths. Several of the CLHS players appeared to be much quicker and this led to the 19 turnovers that Andrean had in the game
- Not really prepared to comment on his shooting ability because he really did not get very many opportunities. The two 3 point attempts at the end of the game were close but no cigar and probably taken out of rhythm. I haven't seen any stats on his 3pt% so perhaps he might transition to the 2 guard.
Based on this one performance (stressing the fact that this is just an initial impression and certainly not based on a body of work) I don't really see how Davidson can play the point at a Horizon League level. He just did not appear to have the quickness or the handles to play that position against the better guards in our league. I really hope this statement comes back to haunt me much like Rowdy's release point criticisms came back to haunt some other posters. That being said, McCall was the most athletic player on the floor but also missed several bunnies including the potential game winner in regulation.
Quote from: FWalum on March 18, 2013, 01:45:32 AM
Based on this one performance (stressing the fact that this is just an initial impression and certainly not based on a body of work) I don't really see how Davidson can play the point at a Horizon League level. He just did not appear to have the quickness or the handles to play that position against the better guards in our league. I really hope this statement comes back to haunt me much like Rowdy's release point criticisms came back to haunt some other posters. That being said, McCall was the most athletic player on the floor but also missed several bunnies including the potential game winner in regulation.
I resemble that remark ;D
Quote from: FWalum on March 18, 2013, 01:45:32 AMBased on this one performance (stressing the fact that this is just an initial impression and certainly not based on a body of work) I don't really see how Davidson can play the point at a Horizon League level.
Agree. He may be forced to play some point but that will obviously not be his best position. Much of the scoreing potential at the 2 next year will depend on Carters play at the point. If he is as good as claimed then our 2 and 3 guards of Dority, Coleman, Rossi, Davidson and Yeo might all get some open looks from deep. Not very much proven make your own shot potential anywhere on that list but we were limited at that capacity this year as well.
I think it is interesting to note that we may now have reached the point where we are evaluating future players potential with an eye for their abilities to take us into the top 50 instead their potential to get and keep us in the top 100.
Quote from: justducky on March 18, 2013, 02:43:57 PMAgree. He may be forced to play some point but that will obviously not be his best position. Much of the scoreing potential at the 2 next year will depend on Carters play at the point. If he is as good as claimed then our 2 and 3 guards of Dority, Coleman, Rossi, Davidson and Yeo might all get some open looks from deep. Not very much proven make your own shot potential anywhere on that list but we were limited at that capacity this year as well.
If Bryce and staff want to stay at VU I see no reason why this program can not flourish in the future. This is just the start of what could be an era of basketball prosperity. I think that we will reload next year and once again compete for the top two or three spots in the league. So yes, I think we are looking for kids that consistently put us in the top 50 and next years class and transfers should put us firmly in that category.
I was hoping that someone else who had seen Davidson play would chime in with their observations. Obviously this kid has played some decent ball over the last 4 years. Does anyone care to give their assessment of Nick's skill set?
I agree with your comments FWAlum Re: Davidson. I too was surprised that he couldn't handle the ball better as he was the guy always bringing the ball up. whenever I have seen his FT stats he has been a great shooter but he does have that unusual hitch in his motion. I couldn't get a handle on his overall shooting ability but he wasn't close on his 2 or 3 3-pt attempts. Has good size and appears to be an intelligent player with good court sense...found open man when being double-teamed. Hopefully he is a better shooter than he showed last Saturday. Good potential I believe.
Concordia's McCall is an outstanding prospect, good leaper and long and when he bulks up he could be a very good player. He has continued to improve as this season has progressed.
Is there a feeling that McCall would be a realistic get for Valpo?
I know that he and our freshman guard Reggie Tharp visited Valpo and supposedly DJ liked what he saw. He has been a little bit of a late maturer, started for CLHS last year and showed a lot of potential, but has grown and really developed this year to be the leader in almost all offensive categories. His outside shot needs some work getting his left hand out of the release so he sometimes develops a sideways rotation and becomes a streaky shooter. If he performs at state this weekend like he did last Saturday I expect his stock will increase dramatically. He has a decent build with good shoulders and should be able to get stronger over the summer and into next year further developing what is already pretty decent athleticism. He is a good student and very articulate.
I think we have a decent shot if we go after him hard now before the bigger programs show too much interest.
I had the wrong website for watching the live stream of the IHSAA state championship games. Here is the correct website address:
http://www.ihigh.com/ihsaachampionsnetwork/broadcast_283771.html?silverlight=1 (http://www.ihigh.com/ihsaachampionsnetwork/broadcast_283771.html?silverlight=1)
Clay Yeo's Triton Trojans lose the 1A state championship by 5, 55-50. Yeo did everything he could in the 4th quarter to bring Triton the win but because of Borden's sharp shooting at the end of the game the Braves from Borden were able to pull out the win.
It took Yeo 3 quarters to finally get his game going but when he finally did score it came in bunches. The halftime score was 18-9 in favor of Borden. So you know Triton had to score a bunch of points in the 3rd & 4th quarters to get 41 points in the 2nd half. Actually the Trojans scored 2 points in the 2nd quarter, 10 points in the 3rd quarter and 31 points in the 4th quarter. Yeo was taking the ball straight to the basket, going through sometimes 2, 3 or 4 opposing players, in the 4th quarter and he must have gotten 2 or 3 three point plays by getting fouled. He also hit several outside 3 point shots and made a couple of great passes to his teammates for scores. Clay sure put on a show in that 4th quarter but unfortunately it was just not enough as Borden also canned several three pointers in that 4th quarter to seal the victory.
If Yeo had gotten his scoring going earlier in the game I think Triton could have won the state championship rather easily. Yeo was held down by Borden due to a lot of double teaming and good man-to-man defense.
MARCH SADNESS®: been that kind of a week.Saturday (http://cmsimg.indystar.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=BG&Date=20130323&Category=SPORTS02&ArtNo=303230802&Ref=PH&Item=7&Maxw=620&Maxh=465&q=60)
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Clay Yeo had a game-high
26 points to go along with 6 rebounds, but 20-6 Triton lost a tough one in the annual Bunch O Skinny White Dudes Parade (aka the 1A State Final) today to Borden, which allegedly is an actual high school, like in Indiana, and everything. Who knew.
Despite managing just 9 points at half (just 2 by Yeo), as bbtds described, an aggressive 1-3-1 zone got them back into the game in the 3rd quarter--and then cost them the game in the 4th as Borden figured out how to take--and more importantly, make--the open jumpers its seams affords, going 4-5 from TreyLand. Clay came 6 points shy of his team goal--and 8 points shy of a remarkable individual statistic: 2000 points.
Triton 50, Borden 55 (http://www.staceypageonline.com/2013/03/23/triton-charge-comes-up-short/)
Quote"I just got more aggressive and tried to create and make plays for us," said Yeo of his amazing fourth-quarter performance, which included two threes of his own and 5-5 free throws. "Credit them. Those threes they hit were incredibly deflating."
Borden used an 8-2 run in the opening period to lead 13-7 after the first quarter. The second stanza saw Borden outscore the Trojans 5-2, with Yeo's basket at the 5:57 mark Triton's only points of the period.
The Trojans trailed 18-9 at halftime as they shot just 4-16 in the opening half. Borden hit 8-21 in the first half with Lynch scoring six points.
"Credit their defense in the first half," said Yeo, who was 1-6 from the field in the opening half. "They knew where I was at all times and did a very good job defensively."
(http://www.staceypageonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/yeoshepherd1-LOGO-300x199.jpg)
(http://www.staceypageonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/yeo6-LOGO-214x300.jpg)
now i am a sad panda. me too. and before this year i never would have cared about the Triton Trojans. go figure.
at least that article has a video. yeah. nice press conference. good kid. but wait, there's more.
indy-star writeup (http://www.indystar.com/article/20130323/SPORTS02/303230037/Boys-basketball-state-finals-Borden-claims-1st-Class-title-55-50-win-over-Triton)
Quote"We kept saying at timeouts, 'It's going to Yeo, it's going to Yeo, it's going to Yeo,' " [Borden HC] Nash said. "Give him credit, man."
nice encomium about the star (http://www.staceypageonline.com/2013/03/23/record-setting-end-for-triton-star-yeo/)
QuoteThe game marked the end of the brilliant prep career for Triton star Clay Yeo. The 6-6 guard made sure to go out in record-setting fashion despite the loss. Yeo poured in 19 of his game-high 26 points in the fourth quarter to lead a furious final rally.
Yeo's 26 points give him 1,992 for his illustrious high school career in Bourbon. That total is the highest ever in Marshall County boys basketball history as he passed former Plymouth star Kyle Benge's previous high water mark. Benge, who graduated in 2005, scored 1,979 points.
Yeo, a lock for the Indiana All-Star team and a Valparaiso University recruit, just missed becoming the 42nd player in state history to score 2,000 career points.
"Of my four years, this is probably been my most enjoyable one," said Yeo, who had a game-high 19 points in 2011 when the Trojans lost to Indianapolis Metropolitan in the Class 1-A finale. "It was just extremely fun to be with these guys. We're friends not only on the court, but off of it. It was a great ride we had."
A great ride indeed.
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"It's been a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity for me to coach a player like Clay," Groves said in his post game press conference Saturday. "The thing is that I'm going to miss him in every possible way, not just as a basketball player. He's really matured the last four years.
"I'm not sure you can replace a guy like Clay and what he has meant to our program."
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"The kid is good," said Nash, understating the obvious about Yeo. "He's the best we've played. Give him credit."
Next: Dude is gonna be an Indiana All-Star, his school's first. Pop it and lock it.
After those games...well, it'll be Michigan 1991 all over again. Williams/Davidson/Yeo/Peters/Adekoya vs. Carter/Dority/Coleman/Chadwick/Capo. Let the education begin.
Speaking of voting: Give the kid a few votes. He's comfortably second, but still behind someone with the given name of Bryson Scott.
http://www.indystar.com/interactive/article/20130312/SPORTS02/303120073 (http://www.indystar.com/interactive/article/20130312/SPORTS02/303120073)
(it won't make them win the state title on a do-over, but it's still nice.)
Toward that end, consoling twitter conversation of the day (don't ask what HYFR means though):
(http://i45.tinypic.com/33uvabm.png)
next year gonna be a good one too. don't you doubt now.
I've mentioned a few times on this Board that Yeo is the real deal. He just proved it again. The State Champion team's entire defense was centered on throwing multiple defenders at Yeo all game long (which was the same game plan for just about every other team that played Triton this year). Bordon did a great job on Yeo during the first half, but he sliced through the multi-player defense in the second half like it was butter. When he gets some weight on him and a couple of years of college experience, look out.
I asked this a long time ago, but I figure it is about time to bring it up again. Does this incoming class have any players in it who will redshirt? Perhaps a person that needs to build muscle, or who is unlikely to see much playing time?
Personally, I would like to see the weakest link of this class, whoever that might be, sit for a year and be around an extra year. I mean, even with all the graduation, I don't see much playing time for 1 of the 5 freshman coming in.
Totally agree... Watched yeo and i think he should have a great career in the HL. (fab 5 at valpo?)
I have seen the "Bryce 'Shot' - Astronaut" commercial by AXE at least once in every NCAA game I've watched thus far.
I wonder if anyone could figure the monetary value to VU in so much free attention to an audience of millions all tournament long. VU certainly couldn't afford such advertising! I also wonder if this will help a little bit to put Valpo in the mind of future recruits.
Finally, I have to believe the fact that Bryce is being so closely tied to the university in front of the nation game after game for a few weeks once again might make it more difficult, or at least more awkward, for him to walk away at this time to another job
You could see on the open court finishes late in the game, that Yeo is more athletic than you might think. His game is most similar to Ron Howard.
Looks like he needs to eat some cheeseburgers...super scrawnny. He also looks like a young jason vorhees
And now a Lowe's commercial focused on Bryce's shot and Valpo during the Indiana game! I learned that 30-second commercials in the NCAA tournament begin at $100,000 during the opening rounds and escalate quickly until about $750,000 for elite eight games and $1.5 million during the championship game. Valpo is certainly receiving a windfall of free promotion in front of a national audience. I hope someone in marketing has an idea about how to exploit this opportunity.
Quote from: valpopal on March 24, 2013, 12:09:18 AM
I have seen the "Bryce 'Shot' - Astronaut" commercial by AXE at least once in every NCAA game I've watched thus far.
I wonder if anyone could figure the monetary value to VU in so much free attention to an audience of millions all tournament long. VU certainly couldn't afford such advertising! I also wonder if this will help a little bit to put Valpo in the mind of future recruits.
Finally, I have to believe the fact that Bryce is being so closely tied to the university in front of the nation game after game for a few weeks once again might make it more difficult, or at least more awkward, for him to walk away at this time to another job
valpopal, have you seen this Lowe's commercial online anywhere? I'm interested to see it.
It has been amazing to get all this free publicity. Currently the AXE commercial has 132,000 views on YouTube and I'm sure countless more on live TV.
Quote from: okinawatyphoon on March 24, 2013, 04:00:26 PM
valpopal, have you seen this Lowe's commercial online anywhere? I'm interested to see it.
It has been amazing to get all this free publicity. Currently the AXE commercial has 132,000 views on YouTube and I'm sure countless more on live TV.
I'm also very curious about a Lowe's Home Improvement TV commercial that features Bryce's shot. I have not seen this commercial during the NCAA tournament and I tend to watch most of the commercials because so many are fairly entertaining. When did you see it? What was the storyline of the Lowe's commercial?
Aau ball... I might try to catch some summer ball for our recruits. Anyone know how to find out when they might be playing?
Quote from: Smj on March 24, 2013, 05:07:28 PM
Aau ball... I might try to catch some summer ball for our recruits. Anyone know how to find out when they might be playing?
If by recruits, you mean the kids that will be freshman, they won't be playing aau ball. Now, underclassman who will be Juniors or seniors, will be playing.
Quote from: bbtds on March 24, 2013, 04:25:55 PMQuote from: okinawatyphoon on March 24, 2013, 04:00:26 PMvalpopal, have you seen this Lowe's commercial online anywhere? I'm interested to see it. It has been amazing to get all this free publicity. Currently the AXE commercial has 132,000 views on YouTube and I'm sure countless more on live TV.
I'm also very curious about a Lowe's Home Improvement TV commercial that features Bryce's shot. I have not seen this commercial during the NCAA tournament and I tend to watch most of the commercials because so many are fairly entertaining. When did you see it? What was the storyline of the Lowe's commercial?
I saw this one today, I think it was during the game before IU's ugly win over Temple.
So no aau.... How about all-star tournaments? Any playing in one of them?
Quote from: HC on March 24, 2013, 06:08:30 PM
Quote from: bbtds on March 24, 2013, 04:25:55 PMQuote from: okinawatyphoon on March 24, 2013, 04:00:26 PMvalpopal, have you seen this Lowe's commercial online anywhere? I'm interested to see it. It has been amazing to get all this free publicity. Currently the AXE commercial has 132,000 views on YouTube and I'm sure countless more on live TV.
I'm also very curious about a Lowe's Home Improvement TV commercial that features Bryce's shot. I have not seen this commercial during the NCAA tournament and I tend to watch most of the commercials because so many are fairly entertaining. When did you see it? What was the storyline of the Lowe's commercial?
I saw this one today, I think it was during the game before IU's ugly win over Temple.
I saw the commercial during the Indiana-Temple game. It showed the whole "Pacer" play while a narrator explained the situation and hailed it as an example of when the NCAA tournament creates "heroes."
The commercial must be very new. I did a pretty extensive Google/YouTube search and couldn't find it. If someone does, please post it!
Quote from: Smj on March 24, 2013, 06:31:52 PM
So no aau.... How about all-star tournaments? Any playing in one of them?
The Indiana All Star team (Yeo a lock, Davidson a possibility) play the Kentucky All Stars twice. Not sure about Illinois kids.
Quote from: Smj on March 24, 2013, 06:31:52 PMSo no aau.... How about all-star tournaments? Any playing in one of them?
if clay yeo isn't an indiana all-star, then there is no justice in the world. not sure what illinois does. but it's probably lame.
although: anybody on this board at the IN vs IL all-star game at Viking Gym in '94? Bonzi Wells and Mr. Basketball Bryce led Indiana to a thrashing of Illinois who was led by Mr. Basketball Jerry Gee (whoops on that) and Antoine Walker...
that was quite a night.
I broadcasted the game. Didn't Brad Miller play on the Indiana team? I believe Antoine Walker scored 40+.
Went to the State Fianls this weekend and unfortunately both of the two teams I was rooting for cam up empty. I am not sure that I have seen a long distance shooting display in high school like Borden put on Triton and when I say long I am talking LONG. Clay Yeo played well in the 4th quarter but I think it will be interesting to see how he plays in the All Star games against much better talent.
Greensburg has two really good players in Bryant McIntosh and Sean Sellers. Both are Juniors with McIntosh already committed to Indiana State and Sellers starting to get some interest from major programs. The Butler board has a 25 page thread on this kid. He is a complete player who can go inside and out, shooting almost 44% from 3. Unfortunately I think the Refs played too big a role in this game (yes I know that I am biased) calling an inconsistent game especially when it came to fouls. McCall only played about 6 minutes of the first half and Concordia's center Brian Gremaux also was hampered with fouls for most of the game. Sellers and Gremaux both fouled out in the fourth quarter with McCall doing the same in the overtime. Concordia led the entire game until Greensburg tied the game in the last minute of regulation with Greensgurg's first lead coming with 2:20 to go in overtime. Take a look at the dunk by McCall when Greensburg gets the one point lead. http://www.ihigh.com/ihsaachampionsnetwork/broadcast_283773.html?silverlight=1 (http://www.ihigh.com/ihsaachampionsnetwork/broadcast_283773.html?silverlight=1) You will find it about 1:48 (1 hr and 48 minutes) into the video with 2:20 remaining in overtime. The boy can really get up and I expect that his athleticism will only improve over the next year.
Quote from: vu72 on March 24, 2013, 08:25:57 PMThe Indiana All Star team (Yeo a lock, Davidson a possibility) play the Kentucky All Stars twice.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 24, 2013, 08:30:28 PMif clay yeo isn't an indiana all-star, then there is no justice in the world.
Every year deserving kids do not make the All-Star team becuase they do not necessarily pick the 13 best players. There is an attempt to get someone from all corners of the state plus it is very political as I do not think an IU recruit has ever not made the team. Here is the list the Indianapolis Star's High School writer suggested:
• Zak Irvin, Hamilton Southeastern: The 6-7 Michigan recruit is a sure-fire choice after posting 24.6 points and 9.0 rebounds as a senior and finishing with 1,239 career points.
• Demetrius Jackson, Mishawaka Marian: The 6-1 Notre Dame recruit is also a lock, it would seem. He averaged 26.8 points as a senior and finished his career with 1,934 points.
• Darius Latham, North Central: The 6-5 Latham, an Indiana football recruit, was a four-year starter at North Central and would give this team an interior presence.
• Mike Crawford, Tipton: The 6-5 St. Louis recruit scored another 40 points in a semistate loss to Gary Bowman on Saturday to close his career with 2,104 points.
• Collin Hartman, Cathedral: The 6-6 Indiana recruit brings versatility as a player who can hit outside shots and get rebounds. Has more than 1,000 career points.
• Darryl Baker, Jeffersonville: The 6-3 Baker led his team to a Class 4A semistate appearance, averaging 23.5 points per game .
• Zavier Turner, Pike: The 5-9 Ball State recruit averaged 16.7 points and 4.4 assists as a senior and was a key player for four years. Pike made the 4A final with Turner last year.
• Blake Simmons, Castle: The Evansville recruit averaged 23.5 points and 9.1 rebounds as a senior. Brings versatility at 6-6 as well as another Southern Indiana representative.
• Basil Smotherman, Lawrence North: The 6-7 Purdue recruit averaged 16 points and eight rebounds as a senior and was named first-team All-Marion County.
• Devin Davis, Warren Central: The 6-6 Indiana recruit gives the team a willing rebounder and interior presence. He started for four years.
• Bryson Scott, Fort Wayne Northrop: The 6-2 Purdue recruit won three sectional titles and averaged 23.8 points and 6.8 rebounds as a senior. He finished his career with 2,042 points.
• V.J. Beachem, New Haven: The 6-7 Notre Dame recruit scored more than 1,500 points in his high school career and led New Haven to the regional championship as a senior.
That's 12. One spot remaining. My choice would likely be Carmel guard Michael Volovic, who helped the Greyhounds to the 4A title last year and is back again this week. He is averaging 15.0 points and 4.6 assists.
Other choices: Tony Wills of Ben Davis; Clay Yeo of Triton; Jaylon Brown of Fishers; Michael Schlotman of Munster; Nick Davidson of Andrean; Jordan Pickett of Pike; Brenton Scott of Fort Wayne Northrop; and Lane Mahurin of Rockville, among others.
The 6-8 kid from Linton probably played his way into the discussion the last two weeks.
I hope Yeo makes it, he is worthy, but he is not a lock.
Indiana is annually generating 25 to 40 Division I players, so there are lots of very good players each year who don't make the All Star team. Just a couple of additional thoughts on the selection process:
Geography - This definitely comes into play; this could actually hurt Yeo since Mishawaka and Fort Wayne will be well represented and there won't be pressure to add more kids from the North.
Filling a team - They actually play games, so the last few spots can be impacted by filling positional needs on the roster. You can't have all guards or all centers, so sometimes a top 13 kid might get left off because of his position. FWIW, I have no idea if this will help or hurt Yeo and Davidson, just stating that it can happen.
NW Indiana bias - Not justified, but there is one. Don't take offense, because Indianapolis also ignores Southern Indiana! ;D
State tournament bias - Yeo certainly got additional recognition by making it to the state finals; Davidson's team also advanced, although a trip to Indy would have been a bigger bump.
IU / Purdue bias - As mentioned earlier, committing to IU or Purdue really helps your chances of being named to the team.
Good luck to your guys!
Quote from: zvillehaze on March 25, 2013, 09:47:13 AMNW Indiana bias - Not justified, but there is one.
Totally. Thank you for picking out all the various biases because they really showed on the Indy writer's list.
A quick scan showed there are at this time at least 35 Indiana players who have either committed to or will be going D1. One local coach was told there will be close to 45-50 by the time everything is said and done. While there are no truly outstanding jaw dropping top 20 talents (nationally) this year (Glen Robinson III) worked his way to top 20 in the spring last year), the talent pool is very, very deep as has been the case the past few years.
Why? Indiana high school basketball is at a very high level. The players are well coached and are fundamentally sound. Indianapolis area produces great talent which is well coached and plays at a high level of competition.
There will probably be no NW Indiana players on the Indiana All Star Team. Outside chance to Nick Davidson or Mike Schlotman of Munster...possibly a long shot to BJ Jenkins of Merrillville, but a very long shot. Jenkins was the best player on the best team in the DAC and advanced to the final 4 of Class 4, but the DAC meat grinder schedule does not lend itself to high scoring stats. He will be a D1 player in either football or basketball. Merrillville also has Raspopovich going D1, plus the 6'6" Talley will eventually end up there once he stops growing and gains a little weight. Lake Central has 3 D1 players and finished 3rd in the DAC behind Merrillville and Valpo (who has a D1 committed forward). So, lots of talent in NW but nothing that jumps out and grabs you.
Munster and Andrean were done in by their weak conference. Had they played in a tougher conference they possibly could have advanced to the state finals, although it would have been tough for Munster to beat Carmel. Andrean should have been there. I watched them lose to Chesterton by 14 and Chesterton finished 4th in the DAC.
I am not sure if there are any immediate impact freshmen coming in, but this is a very good class. To make the transition from HS to HL is a tough one. The two forwards from Illinois both could make immediate contributions. Yeo is a fascinating prospect. Good athlete and great young man. He needs to get stronger (they all do) and adjust to the quicker game....and learn to go to his left. No doubt he will do all these things.
Not sure if Davidson will play PG. In fact it would be a surprize if he does. There are two incoming PGs next year, both from Chicago area (one a St Louis transfer who was runner up Mr Basketball). These kids are quick on quick. Davidson is not quick, but should be able to translate to a 2/3 in the HL if he developes quickness and hops. He was head and shoulders the best player in NW from 5th grade thru sophomore year in his grade, then players started catching up. If you want to see a true 6'4" PG, look at Munster's Mike Schlotman....and even he was proved to be human against the ultra quickness of Merrillville's Jenkins in the Regionals.
This incoming group should be very good, but give them at least a year. Plus there is some talent still in place.
New video of Clay Yeo posted this week. Or maybe I should say "Postered".
Clay Yeo's Semi-State Slam (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNUtUXpn5fU#)
Yes, he's that good. It's been a long, long time since Valpo had a player who could do this.
I think there are too many people who forget exactly how much talent is in this state. While as seniors it's purely speculation to how good they will be, just take a look at the freshman class from Indiana last year.
Yogi Ferrell - IU
Gary Harris - Michigan State
Mitch McGary - Michigan
Glen Robinson III - Michigan
DeVauntes Smith-Rivera* - Georgetown (transfered as a senior due to a fight in last years sectional)
A.J. Hammonds - Purdue
Kellen Dunham - Butler
Ronnie Johnson - Purdue
I know there are plenty more I am missing, but that's just last year, and those are players making a significant impact as freshman at major D1 programs. My point...if somebody doesn't make the Indiana All-Star team, don't be surprised. And, right or wrong, since the IHSAA decided to go to a class system, it makes it harder for the small guys to get noticed. They're comparing 1A players and their success against other 1A players vs. big time 4A competition. I think somebody transfered from the region last year to Zionsville and thier scoring average went from one of the best in the state to nearly nothing. I can't remember the name of the kid. The Steve Nicodemus factor doesn't exist anymore.
Quote from: lowposter on March 25, 2013, 03:30:59 PM
Why? Indiana high school basketball is at a very high level. The players are well coached and are fundamentally sound. Indianapolis area produces great talent which is well coached and plays at a high level of competition.
I'll also add that Indiana's AAU teams are generally well organized and well coached. I know most people have negative opinions of AAU, but not all teams/programs are as bad as you think. Indiana has some of the best programs in the country.
Quote from: milanmiracle on March 25, 2013, 06:57:13 PM
I think somebody transfered from the region last year to Zionsville and thier scoring average went from one of the best in the state to nearly nothing. I can't remember the name of the kid.
I'm laughing at this one ... it was Zach Richie (cousin of Lowell's Austin Richie), who shattered my school single-season scoring record as a junior, then moved to the town where I live now to rub it in! ;D In reality, he went from the primary scorer on a fairly bad 1A team to a role player on very balanced 4A team. My daughter had class with him and said he was a really nice kid ... kudos to him for accepting his new role and being a good teammate! :thumbsup:
Quote from: zvillehaze on March 25, 2013, 08:36:34 PMshattered my school single-season scoring record as a junior
dude are you scott blum?!?
Quote from: ValpoGenXer on March 25, 2013, 04:38:42 PMYes, he's that good. It's been a long, long time since Valpo had a player who could do this.
I think that is a tad bit of an exaggeration. A nice athletic move but not uber athletic. I know that both Matt and Ryan could also make such a dunk, but doing it against D1 competition is a whole different ballgame. I don't want to get into a p!$$!^& contest but check out the 3A state finals video that I posted with the link on page 29 of this thread. McCall makes almost the exact same move down the middle of the lane only he slams it two handed and is about a foot higher off the floor than Yeo.
Last year Keith Carter was the runner-up to Jabari Parker for the Illinois Mr. Basketball title. Tonight, Alec Peters placed 5th for the Illinois Mr. Basketball title as Jabari Parker (Duke) repeats. It will be nice to see Alec and Keith on the court together for Valpo next year:
http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/high-school/post/_/id/3454/jabari-parker-repeats-as-illinois-mr-basketball (http://espn.go.com/blog/chicago/high-school/post/_/id/3454/jabari-parker-repeats-as-illinois-mr-basketball)
Clay just needs to beef up in his first year at Valpo. Somebody take him to Kelsey's Steakhouse, or at least, Dynasty Buffet twice a week once he comes here. We've seen this before: an amazing recruit come to Valpo, but fall flat on his face. I think Clay is a lot more athletic than Jay, but we're not talking about an ESPN top 150 recruit this time. The small size and lack of physicality absolutely destroyed Jay. I hope Clay can drive inside an be physical if he plays a shooting guard role. If we want to beat SLU, New Mexico, and Murray St, we have to have players who can play physical.
Also, to cheer everyone up, here's a random Tweet I found:
https://twitter.com/scrimpshire22/status/315647510452527109
Quote from: milanmiracle on March 25, 2013, 06:57:13 PMAnd, right or wrong, since the IHSAA decided to go to a class system, it makes it harder for the small guys to get noticed.
Ok, I will bite. I would say wrong. Yeo's chances are helped because he took his took to the state finals. Likewise the 2 kids from Linton are helped for the same reason.
Quote from: a3uge on March 26, 2013, 12:02:52 AMClay just needs to beef up in his first year at Valpo.
Relax--if you saw a picture of Bryce in his VHS jersey, you'd know why we were all flabbergasted when 7-8 months later we saw him in a VU jersey for the first time. he went from being Clay Yeo to Tix II: The Gun Show.
Quote from: IndyValpo on March 26, 2013, 07:36:48 AM
Quote from: milanmiracle on March 25, 2013, 06:57:13 PMAnd, right or wrong, since the IHSAA decided to go to a class system, it makes it harder for the small guys to get noticed.
Ok, I will bite. I would say wrong. Yeo's chances are helped because he took his took to the state finals. Likewise the 2 kids from Linton are helped for the same reason.
I'd be interested to know how many 1A players have made the Indiana All Star team since going to class basketball, and how many made it before class basketball. I am not going to look it up, but I suspect that more 1A players make it now. I know in 2A, Yogi Ferrell made it, and Trevon Bleuitt will make it next year. Heck, Bleuitt will be a serious Mr. Basketball candidate.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on March 26, 2013, 08:57:34 AM
Quote from: a3uge on March 26, 2013, 12:02:52 AMClay just needs to beef up in his first year at Valpo.
Relax--if you saw a picture of Bryce in his VHS jersey, you'd know why we were all flabbergasted when 7-8 months later we saw him in a VU jersey for the first time. he went from being Clay Yeo to Tix II: The Gun Show.
And I hope body type is the only comparison between Clay and Bryce ever mentioned.
Peters finishing 5th in the Mr. Basketball vote is really remarkable when you see kids going to Illinois, OSU, and Purdue further down in the voting. I voted for the Indiana award for many years and always saw a bias toward the kids going to the big state schools.
Many of you are already probably aware of this news but since I couldn't recall seeing it anywhere I thought I would put it here. D. J. McCall makes the North group of the Indiana Junior All Stars and will play with the 6 members of the core group consisting of 6-9 Trey Lyles of Tech, 6-5 Trevon Bluiett of Park Tudor, 6-4 Evansville Bosse guard JaQuan Lyle, 6-2 Fort Wayne Bishop Luers guard James Blackmon Jr., 6-3 Greensburg guard Bryant McIntosh and 6-9 Plymouth forward Mack Mercer. Blackmon is committed to Indiana and McIntosh to Indiana State.
Junior All Stars Selected (http://www.indystar.com/article/20130320/SPORTS02/303200056/High-school-basketball-Boys-Junior-All-Stars-announced)
(http://cmsimg.indystar.com/apps/pbcsi.dll/bilde?NewTbl=1&Site=BG&Date=20130320&Category=SPORTS02&ArtNo=303200063&Ref=PH&Item=10&Maxw=640&Maxh=410&q=60)
Quote from: FWalum on March 25, 2013, 11:42:35 PMQuote from: ValpoGenXer on March 25, 2013, 04:38:42 PMYes, he's that good. It's been a long, long time since Valpo had a player who could do this.
I think that is a tad bit of an exaggeration. A nice athletic move but not uber athletic. I know that both Matt and Ryan could also make such a dunk, but doing it against D1 competition is a whole different ballgame. I don't want to get into a p!$$!^& contest but check out the 3A state finals video that I posted with the link on page 29 of this thread. McCall makes almost the exact same move down the middle of the lane only he slams it two handed and is about a foot higher off the floor than Yeo.
We will agree to disagree on the degree of Clay's athleticism. You can also find on youtube a video of Clay bounding down the court on a breakaway dunk, in which he takes exactly 5 steps from the half court line to the middle of the lane, where he skies from 8 feet out for the easy dunk. 5 steps. Again, I reiterate I haven't seen that at Valpo in a long time, if ever.
If you are a Junior currently, I can buy that YOU haven't seen it from a Valpo player. We had several people that did that in my time at VU :). Terrance Price was an absolute freak of an athlete in regards to dunking.
Not sure what topic to place this, but I watched former Valpo transfer-recruit Moussa Gueye play for Alabama in the NIT tonight. He is their starting center, and in the first 2 games he averaged 17 minutes and only 1 point per game. During the season he played in all 36 games for Alabama, and his average was 1.3 points. He is 7-ft. tall but his field goal percentage is only 35%, and his free throw percentage is just 42%. Tonight, in their third NIT game, Gueye had a mere 2 points and 1 rebound in a home loss to Maryland.
As it turns out, how blessed were we to have Kevin instead with his 63% on field goals and 75% on free throws, as well as his terrific character and personality?
QuoteAs it turns out, how blessed were we to have Kevin instead with his 63% on field goals and 75% on free throws, as well as his terrific character and personality?
Very! Goes to show just cause you're a seven footer doesn't mean you're going to be productive. Look at Vucic, 7'1" but barely played.
He started this year, but only averaged 15 minutes? Huh.
3.9 RBG, 1.4 BPG, 2.7 fouls, and 1.2 TO to go with his 1.4 PPG.
Looks like they must play four guards at times - or even much of the time.
They have another (Swedish) 7 footer, with similar stats, who played about as many MPG as Gueye. Well, sort of similar stats. In 12.6 MPG he did average 3.3 PPG (almost twice as many, and not negligible if you take it 40, perhaps) on a much more respectable 69.2%. But, he only played the first severn games of the season. Maybe injured?
Davidson named Times Player of the Year
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/andrean-s-davidson-ends-career-as-one-of-ers-best/article_e3564fb6-a069-5df3-9ae4-cb4f7ad820e1.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/andrean-s-davidson-ends-career-as-one-of-ers-best/article_e3564fb6-a069-5df3-9ae4-cb4f7ad820e1.html)
Peters Named Journal Star Player of the Year
http://www.pjstar.com/news/x1037529412/Journal-Star-large-school-boys-basketball-POY-Alec-Peters (http://www.pjstar.com/news/x1037529412/Journal-Star-large-school-boys-basketball-POY-Alec-Peters)
Let it be known right now, I think Yeo will be much more successful than Davidson. Yes, you can say Yeo played weaker competition, but Yeo showed his dominant capabilities that I've not seen from Davidson. Yeo can dunk consistently, Davidson can't. I would've loved to have Mike Schlotman rather than Nick Davidson. Davidson played absolutely horrible in the 3A semi state game vs Concordia and he cost his team a chance at winning a state title. Schlotman was flashy and looked more like a college player and Davidson did not seem as comfortable playing at PG.
Lets not be too hard on the kid even before he puts on the VU uniform. I really don't expect Nick to play PG very much. I look at him as being more in the mold of a Matt Kenney. A #2 guard or small forward that can drive to the basket. There will be plenty of times, especially in the Horizon League, that we will go smaller and as a #3 he would work out fine. Just my 2 cents as having seen him play a couple of times.
Agreed. I see Davidson more as a Matt Kenney type as a 2 guard. We already have 2 natural PGs in Carter and Williams. Davidson probably will only be used as an emergency PG. And with Dority back next season we have 3 different PGs ahead of Davidson. With Kenney obviously graduating Davidson was recruited to take over his role. Not the PG since we already have 3 PGs for next year.
According to the eligibility chart we have 4 open slots for the 2014-15 season:
https://docs.google.com/a/group7even.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0AlQ2tPhus3WCdElfelJobS1BOXVfU09YU19UbENmdWc&pli=1#gid=0
If I recall correctly, by this time last year we had verbal commitments from nearly our entire 2013 Freshman class, all of which were HS Juniors at that time. Even with Alec Peters, who didn't commit until last fall, we at least knew that Valpo was one of the schools he was seriously considering. Here we are a year later with zero verbals for the 2014 class. I couldn't even tell you who is seriously considering us or who we're chasing. There's still several months until the early signing period next fall, but it seems to be a pretty big difference from one year to the next as far as early recruiting results - especially given the success of the program over the last 2 years.
Quote from: valpofan11 on March 29, 2013, 03:00:02 PM
Let it be known right now, I think Yeo will be much more successful than Davidson. Yes, you can say Yeo played weaker competition, but Yeo showed his dominant capabilities that I've not seen from Davidson. Yeo can dunk consistently, Davidson can't. I would've loved to have Mike Schlotman rather than Nick Davidson. Davidson played absolutely horrible in the 3A semi state game vs Concordia and he cost his team a chance at winning a state title. Schlotman was flashy and looked more like a college player and Davidson did not seem as comfortable playing at PG.
So by this analysis basically everyone to have played at Valpo would be better than Bryce Drew who I do not recall dunking on a consistent basis. I watched most of the state finals last week, did I miss Munster playing?
Quote from: IndyValpo on March 30, 2013, 07:47:05 AM
Quote from: valpofan11 on March 29, 2013, 03:00:02 PM
Let it be known right now, I think Yeo will be much more successful than Davidson. Yes, you can say Yeo played weaker competition, but Yeo showed his dominant capabilities that I've not seen from Davidson. Yeo can dunk consistently, Davidson can't. I would've loved to have Mike Schlotman rather than Nick Davidson. Davidson played absolutely horrible in the 3A semi state game vs Concordia and he cost his team a chance at winning a state title. Schlotman was flashy and looked more like a college player and Davidson did not seem as comfortable playing at PG.
So by this analysis basically everyone to have played at Valpo would be better than Bryce Drew who I do not recall dunking on a consistent basis. I watched most of the state finals last week, did I miss Munster playing?
http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/18707945-556/boys-basketball-mike-schlotman-is-munsters-mr-efficiency.html (http://posttrib.suntimes.com/sports/18707945-556/boys-basketball-mike-schlotman-is-munsters-mr-efficiency.html)
This recent PT article is entitled Mike Schlotman is Munster's "Mr. efficiency." It opens by calling his style "anything but dazzling." I'm not sure you can be "anything but dazzling" on one hand and "flashy" on the other. That said he sounds like a fine player. I pull for all the kids in NWI, so I hope he does well at William & Mary. As to comparisons with Nick, Nick's final game was probably his poorest performance of the year and Schlotman's final game was probably his best of the year. Neither one was typical of how either played overall. Nick is much more of a scorer, averaging about 23 ppt, while Schlotman only averaged 12. Both were named to the Times Top 10 team, but Nick was also named Player of the Year by the Times high school sports reporters that see these players in action all season long. I have seen Nick's name as being considered for the Indiana All-Star team. I have not seen Schlotman's. Last, but not least, I don't recall ever hearing that Bryce and staff ever pursued Schlotman, so they obviously made their choice in favor of Nick, as well. I think we have to allow that Bryce is a pretty good judge of talent himself. ;)
Quote from: wh on March 30, 2013, 08:58:21 AMThis recent PT article is entitled Mike Schlotman is Munster's "Mr. efficiency." It opens by calling his style "anything but dazzling." I'm not sure you can be "anything but dazzling" on one hand and "flashy" on the other. That said he sounds like a fine player. I pull for all the kids in NWI, so I hope he does well at William & Mary. As to comparisons with Nick, Nick's final game was probably his poorest performance of the year and Schlotman's final game was probably his best of the year. Neither one was typical of how either played overall. Nick is much more of a scorer, averaging about 23 ppt, while Schlotman only averaged 12. Both were named to the Times Top 10 team, but Nick was also named Player of the Year by the Times high school sports reporters that see these players in action all season long. I have seen Nick's name as being considered for the Indiana All-Star team. I have not seen Schlotman's. Last, but not least, I don't recall ever hearing that Bryce and staff ever pursued Schlotman, so they obviously made their choice in favor of Nick, as well. I think we have to allow that Bryce is a pretty good judge of talent himself.
Well said wh. I had a hard time writing my semi-state review of Nick because I knew that posters would look at it and wonder about Nick before he ever set foot on the VU hardwood. That is why I stated how hard it is to see a player one time in one game and make a judgement on talent. Players do have good and bad games, just look at the NCAA tournament, teams look great one game and talent-less the next. Obviously the coaching staff has seen him play many time and I believe, as you said, that they are pretty good at judging talent.
Quote from: wh on March 30, 2013, 04:56:04 AMThere's still several months until the early signing period next fall, but it seems to be a pretty big difference from one year to the next as far as early recruiting results - especially given the success of the program over the last 2 years.
I would agree with this if a) this class weren't such an anomaly in several ways and b) if it were really true.
Verbal commits in the 2013 class:Davidson, July 2011.
Yeo, August 2011.
Williams, May 2012.
Adekoya, June 2012.
Peters, September 2012.
So yeah, at this time in the 2013 cycle, we already had 2 recruits. But they were both committed halfway through high school, and that is rare, unless you're Kenny Harris. Part of the reason that is rare is because we get a lot of transfers. But then part of the reason we get TRANSFERS is because kids commit too early and then change their minds later. I don't think it's rare that we had three recruits commit during the offseason before their senior year. If this summer passes without any, well then, yeah, let's worry a bit.
If all you're saying is that we don't have a lot of information on recruiting, at least in this cycle, then I totally agree with you. I really think it shouldn't be this hard to get info to fans! Perhaps Paul Oren (for example) might be hamstrung as far as contacting recruits a la people at Scout, Rivals, etc., since he is also an employee of the university, so we can't have a regular column on that. But I for one would shell out cash money for something like what Sam Webb does for the Detroit News--an in-depth article on recent visitors and their thoughts on visiting, their accomplishments thus far, etc.
I wouldn't worry too much, at least right now, about the 2014-15 recruiting class. As of right now we will only be graduating 3 players in Coleman, Caps, and Dority, and at most 4 if the final scholarship spot is filled by a transfer who will be a senior and immediately eligible for play next season, which is highly unlikely. I think the coaching staff realized that this next recruiting class, with 6 potential spots to fill is much more important to the program than the 2014-15 one. So over the past 2 years I think the coaching staff put a large majority of their recruiting efforts into this class realizing that if Valpo wants to be an elite program it will start with this class, with basically the whole team graduating this past season. They knew if this recruiting class was subpar or if they started to look ahead to the future classes it might have hindered their ability to recruit the kids they have coming in now.
Davidson will be a good addition. The comparison to Kenney seems accurate. He doesn't appear to have the same skill set as Yeo and Peters, and he is not nearly as athletic as Carter or Lexus Williams, but he's a hard-nosed guard. Not a starter, perhaps, but a good sixth-man.
We still need athletic power forwards, in addition to Adekoya. Look at the NCAA tournament this year -- Nearly all of the lower-seeded teams have physically strong, athletic forwards who are great inside the paint. In addition, most of the lower-seeded teams have strong guards who are great rebounders (e.g., Wichita State, LaSalle, etc.). Wouldn't it be great to see Valpo's guards consistently hit the boards hard? That would help to compensate for a lack of athletic, strong forwards.
Quote from: ValpoGenXer on March 26, 2013, 12:28:06 PM
Quote from: FWalum on March 25, 2013, 11:42:35 PMQuote from: ValpoGenXer on March 25, 2013, 04:38:42 PMYes, he's that good. It's been a long, long time since Valpo had a player who could do this.
I think that is a tad bit of an exaggeration. A nice athletic move but not uber athletic. I know that both Matt and Ryan could also make such a dunk, but doing it against D1 competition is a whole different ballgame. I don't want to get into a p!$$!^& contest but check out the 3A state finals video that I posted with the link on page 29 of this thread. McCall makes almost the exact same move down the middle of the lane only he slams it two handed and is about a foot higher off the floor than Yeo.
We will agree to disagree on the degree of Clay's athleticism. You can also find on youtube a video of Clay bounding down the court on a breakaway dunk, in which he takes exactly 5 steps from the half court line to the middle of the lane, where he skies from 8 feet out for the easy dunk. 5 steps. Again, I reiterate I haven't seen that at Valpo in a long time, if ever.
Ah yes, back in my days 62-66 Valpo had some very good teams under Bartow. There was a "little all American" high hurdler who also played some basketball. He was Steve
Cook. Now back then "dunking in a game was outlawed! Ncaa's answer to Lew Alcinder aka Karem. Before the game warmups were free territory, and Tom Smith (guard) would put the ball off the board and high, Steve at about 6'2" would come in and 2-handed stuff it as the exclamation point! ;D Elbows above the rim.
Quote from: classof2014 on March 29, 2013, 07:20:07 PMAgreed. I see Davidson more as a Matt Kenney type as a 2 guard. We already have 2 natural PGs in Carter and Williams. Davidson probably will only be used as an emergency PG. And with Dority back next season we have 3 different PGs ahead of Davidson. With Kenney obviously graduating Davidson was recruited to take over his role. Not the PG since we already have 3 PGs for next year.
Davidson taking over Kenney's role seems similar to when Kenney took over Howard Little's role for the past two seasons. All three are similar 2-guards.
Anyone know whether one or more of the guys transferring out of Illinois would be a good fit for Valpo? A couple of highly regarded bigs and a lesser-known wing.
here's a link for anyone curious about the above statement:
http://www.sj-r.com/sports/x609794722/3-bench-players-leaving-Illinois-basketball-team (http://www.sj-r.com/sports/x609794722/3-bench-players-leaving-Illinois-basketball-team)
http://www.fightingillini.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/032913aae.html (http://www.fightingillini.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/032913aae.html)
QuoteUniversity of Illinois sophomores Mike Shaw and Ibby Djimde and redshirt freshman Devin Langford will transfer following the completion of the spring semester. All three have requested and been granted permission to contact other institutions regarding potential transfer opportunities.
Mike Shaw (6'8", 215; Chicago De La Salle--their all time leading scorer): 34 games in 2 years, averaging 5.6 min/gm, 0.9 ppg, and this money quote from his media guide bio: "Loyal player who says, "My team is my family and I bleed Orange and Blue." Freshman highlight: "Scored a career-high seven points, including first career three-pointer, vs. Chicago State (Nov. 27)"
Ibby Djimde (6'8", 245; from Mali [yeah THAT mali] via Huntington WV Prep): 28 games in 2 years, 2.9 mpg, 0.3 pp. Money quote from media guide: "Lists biggest thrill in sports as receiving a scholarship to Illinois". Freshman highlight: "Hit a free throw and took a charge in 12 minutes vs. Gonzaga (Dec. 3)"
Devin Langford (6'7", 200; Huntsville, AL) redshirted last year; this year played 22 games, 4.3 mpg. 0.8 rpg, 0.5 ppg.
Eh...i doubt it.
Would be pretty cool if we could land one of them. Chances are slim but still would be pretty neat! Chances are they'd have to be redshirted for a year though due to the "beloved" ncaa transfer policy.
All three of those guys hardly played....I wouldn't want any of them
Hate to say it, but I agree with Truth
Schlotman is a point guard, Davidson is not. Davidson was placed at PG position as a freshman at Andrean but rotated to more of a 2/3. There were much more quicker guards on Andrean. Comments a year ago from Andrean fans were that Nick couldnt keep up with the quicker elite PGs like Jackson of Mishawaka Marion (of course not too many people can).
Schlotman will fit in very well running a team. He is a Mike Hackett PG...well schooled and a coach on the floor. He has very good bloodlines. I believe his mother played at Purdue. He is one of my favorite players in the Region. He statistically had a very good game against Merrillville but the overall quickness and pressure of Merrillville's uber quick guards was the difference in 4Q. The Jenkins kid is a load.
Dominique Hawkins was named Mr. Basketball in KY. He is showing offers from Western Ky, South Carolina, Morehead St, Tennessee Tech, and VU. He is waiting for an offer from UK. This kid is a load. He is a 6'1" guard. If you believe your current recruiting class is athletic...take a look at him. If he comes here, it will completely push the guard position into a sprint for playing time.
lowposter
Quote from: lowposter on March 31, 2013, 10:11:40 AM
Dominique Hawkins was named Mr. Basketball in KY. He is showing offers from Western Ky, South Carolina, Morehead St, Tennessee Tech, and VU. He is waiting for an offer from UK.
Hawkins also has offers from Wright State, Purdue and he got his offer from UK that he has been waiting on Friday. They expect him to commit to UK by next weekend when he gets back from spring break.
Quote from: HC on March 31, 2013, 09:03:46 AMHate to say it, but I agree with Truth
While I have come to the same conclusion, it is not for the same reason that "they hardly played". They all got Vucic-like (actually slightly fewer) minutes in the B1G, which is not nothing.
I would say that Shaw played about the same minutes as Capo his last year at IU, but Truth doesn't like him anyway, and so it's unlikely to convince him.
Finally--why didn't they play? Seems to me as good a reason as any would be that they were recruited by Bruce Weber and were now coached by John Groce. Obviously the latter needs to clear space for his new regime--not saying that he told them so in so many words, but obviously a coach can make it clear to a guy how much he fits (or doesn't) in the new plans...
This is all largely moot; though I am not satisfied that any of them really match up with our needs, I don't know that we're at the place yet where we don't return a B1G transfer's calls. The point is merely that we shouldn't not want them because of PT.
It would be nice if VU could pick up a kid like Hawkins. The one thing that scares me with him is that he is deadset on going to Kentucky, and if he does get an offer from KY we have a ZERO percent chance we get him. Another thing that scares me if he does wind up at VU will he transfer after his first or second season if KY does show interest in him.
But if the reports are right and KY offered him a scholarship, chances are he will be a Wildcat.
A lot of our solid transfers played similar minutes at other BCS programs, and were great pickups for us. I would not mind any of these 6'7"-6'8" players on our team, if they turn out similar to the improvement that Bobby showed as the season progressed.
Here's someone who could help us next year...
Sandi Marcius saga still playing itself out
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130330/SPORTS0602/303300046/Purdue-basketball-Sandi-Marcius-saga-still-playing-itself-out (http://www.indystar.com/article/20130330/SPORTS0602/303300046/Purdue-basketball-Sandi-Marcius-saga-still-playing-itself-out)
He played at La Lumiere. I am guessing Bryce would know him from there and he would probably know Bryce.
Wouldn't mind to see him here for his final year. It's only one season and I think he can be that big man we need to compete with upper level competition. He played good minutes towards the end of the year for Purdue averaging almost 20 mins a game in March, and he finished with a 53% field goal percentage which is pretty good, we were definitely spoiled with KVWs finishing abilities and he was going up against B1G competition, which is much strong than the Horizon competition both Caps and KVW went up against. Being 6'9" and 270 lbs is a huge plus compared to KVWs 240 and Caps 245.
Could possibly be that big man down low that we need against higher level competition.
Also Valpo's history with foreign big men could have a positive effect with Marcius. Although foreign players in general are not nearly as unique as they used to be.
Agreed, can't hurt that Valpo has had a strong presence in the past with international players. He know he will be get ample playing time and Valpo is just a short drive from Lafayette.
I think we are seeing that Bryce tries to go for more local kids, which I don't have a problem with. In fact I like it more than the internationals. Valpo is really lucky to have grade A talent in their own backyard pretty much in both Illinois and Indiana. And with this incoming class being from: Chicago, Peoria area, Bourbon, and Merrillville, I think will be the start of Valpo going local, which I think is the best option for the program moving forward.
Michigan will reload next year with Derrick Walton to step into Trey Burke's shoes and Zak Irvin for THJ (if he goes):
Hamilton Southeastern's Zak Irvin named Mr. Basketball
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130403/SPORTS02/304030052/Mr-Basketball-Hamilton-Souteastern-s-Zak-Irvin-has-gone-from-JV-No-1 (http://www.indystar.com/article/20130403/SPORTS02/304030052/Mr-Basketball-Hamilton-Souteastern-s-Zak-Irvin-has-gone-from-JV-No-1)
Neither of our commits received a vote, unfortunately, but interestingly, Yeo would have received one if he had outpolled Bryson Scott on the internet poll I linked here a few times. Hm. (Rather it seems they didn't but they could have...the 1994 article says only the top 3 are released, but that's clearly no longer true...)
Anyway, for fun and giggles' sake:
1982 Mr. Basketball: Roger Harden
http://indylb-2135524474.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com/production/sports/standing/mrbasketballpdf/1982.pdf (http://indylb-2135524474.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com/production/sports/standing/mrbasketballpdf/1982.pdf)
1994 Mr. Basketball: Bryce Drew (that's who)
http://indylb-2135524474.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com/production/sports/standing/mrbasketballpdf/1994.pdf (http://indylb-2135524474.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com/production/sports/standing/mrbasketballpdf/1994.pdf)
Audio of radio interview with Clay Yeo:
http://thefanmichiana.com/Programs/RagzBar.aspx (http://thefanmichiana.com/Programs/RagzBar.aspx)
Clay Yeo to participate in North-South Indiana All-Star game.
http://blogs.indystar.com/recruitingcentral/archives/3430 (http://blogs.indystar.com/recruitingcentral/archives/3430)
OK! Not bad! One out of two ain't bad.
It does, I assume, send a sign that Davidson's really pretty unlikely to make the IN-KY team.
Could possibly hear sometime today or tomorrow whether or not Mr. Basketball in Kentucky, Dominique Hawkins, where he will be going. If he's offered a scholarship from Kentucky chances are that's where he goes but I've seen weirder things happen.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 03, 2013, 02:56:57 PM
Anyway, for fun and giggles' sake:
1994 Mr. Basketball: Bryce Drew (that's who)
http://indylb-2135524474.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com/production/sports/standing/mrbasketballpdf/1994.pdf (http://indylb-2135524474.us-east-1.elb.amazonaws.com/production/sports/standing/mrbasketballpdf/1994.pdf)
Quite a bit was made in the article about his three surgeries during his junior year to tame a tachycardia condition. So it seems Bryce knows full well what Rossi was going through. That's good.
Boys basketball: Andrean's Nick Davidson named Player of the Year
By Mike Hutton mhutton@post-trib.com/@MikeHuttonPT April 6, 2013 11:16PM
Updated: April 7, 2013 2:03AM
Nick Davidson is going to major in nursing because he wants to help people.
It's the perfect fit for the Andrean senior and the Post-Tribune player of the year.
Davidson spent four years with the 59ers helping his teammates get better.
If there is such a thing as a responsibility gene, Davidson got a double dose of it when he was born.
"If you look at his career with a wide lens, it's crazy," Andrean coach Carson Cunningham said. "He has always been grounded. Any season has ebbs and flows but he's been a resilient leader who has remained grounded. He's a huge role model for our players to emulate and he's been a tremendous part of our school and basketball program. Andrean is a better place because of him."
Cunningham has beat the Davidson drum for four years, and for good reason. He was incredibly consistent at the most important position on the floor — point guard.
A sturdy 6-4, Davidson averaged more than 19 points and four assists per game.
He averaged more than 18 points per game for three seasons and he scored more than 1,600 points. As a freshman, he averaged 13.8 points and around four assists.
Cunningham, a point guard himself at Andrean and Purdue, said Davidson was one of the most efficient players in 59ers history.
His 3-point shooting percentage hovered in the high 30s, his field goal percentage was just under 50 and his assist-to-turnover ratio was better than 2-to-1.
Davidson could also be a bruiser in the lane, particularly at the end of games, when his team needed to get to the free-throw line. He made 17of 18 from the line to cap a furious second-half comeback against Bowman.
Davidson said he modeled his work ethic after Pete Maravich and Larry Bird — guys that were so good you didn't realize how good they were until they left.
"It's about never settling," he said.
Davidson also led Andrean to its first regional title since 2000, defeating Plymouth at Plymouth.
The season ended in heartbreaking fashion for the 59ers, who lost to Fort Wayne Concordia in overtime at the Huntington North Semistate.
Davidson committed to Valparaiso University two years ago and he has never wavered.
He's going there because it's close, he likes the program and his two younger brothers can watch him play and he can watch them play, too.
Ben Davidson played most of the year on the junior varsity.
Davidson took the suspense out of his college choice because he wanted to focus on the present.
"It allowed me to focus on Andrean basketball and not where I was going to go to college," he said.
Davidson said he felt no qualms about being one of the first local players since Bryce Drew to go to VU.
"The reason I chose Valpo is because of, not only what they offered athletically but academically," he said. "I weighed the pros and cons of the decision with my family and I felt like that was the best fit for me."
Quote from: wh on April 07, 2013, 02:07:28 PMDavidson said he felt no qualms about being one of the first local players since Bryce Drew to go to VU.
Is Bryce the last VHS player we've had? How many have there been, ever? It seems like VHS consistently turns out D1 quality players - I'm not sure exactly at what rate (how many, on average, per year). Of course, there are reasons we don't see too many VHS students: many don't _want_ to stay so close to home, the fit has to be there, etc, etc
A few of my teammates were from VHS, but still, not many. The only other 'local' product I can think of since Bryce, would be Ali Berdiel, but that is 'local' via Andrean/Puerto Rico :)
Quote from: agibson on April 08, 2013, 10:13:07 AM
Quote from: wh on April 07, 2013, 02:07:28 PMDavidson said he felt no qualms about being one of the first local players since Bryce Drew to go to VU.
Is Bryce the last VHS player we've had? How many have there been, ever? It seems like VHS consistently turns out D1 quality players - I'm not sure exactly at what rate (how many, on average, per year). Of course, there are reasons we don't see too many VHS students: many don't _want_ to stay so close to home, the fit has to be there, etc, etc
Not sure if Bryce is the last, but before him there was Harden, Anselm, Smith, Cavanaugh, Schmidt, Redmon, also Meyne (Boone Grove), Beesley (LaPorte), Gipson (MC?), Tonagel (LaPorte?). I think that Michigan as been recruiting Porter County well in the last several years.
Quote from: agibson on April 08, 2013, 10:13:07 AMHow many have there been, ever? It seems like VHS consistently turns out D1 quality players - I'm not sure exactly at what rate
The latter point is true; I don't know if it's one per year but it's close. Certainly there are very close long-time friends of the program who read these boards who can say better than I (since they coached these men), but since Bryce, no one. But before Bryce, the record book is littered with them:
David Redmon (VHS '90) 1992-1995 (transfer from UALR) VU Hall of Fame, 2004 class
http://www.valpoathletics.com/athletics/halloffame/2003-04/2834/david-redmon/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/athletics/halloffame/2003-04/2834/david-redmon/)
Rob Cavanaugh (VHS '90) 1990-1994 Should be in the Hall of Fame if Jamie Sykes is.
4th in assists when he graduated; 4th in FT% when he graduated.
Casey Schmidt (VHS '89) 1992-1994 (transfer from Arizona) VU Hall of Fame, 2008 class
http://www.valpoathletics.com/athletics/halloffame/2007-08/2804/casey-schmidt/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/athletics/halloffame/2007-08/2804/casey-schmidt/)
Mike Jones (VHS '86) 1986-1990 See above on Cavanaugh.
7th in points at graduation; 5th in assists at graduation.
I mean, if Sykes is there, he is famous for a great pass. Jones is famous for a layup to force OT vs. ND.
Scott Anselm (VHS '85) 1985-1989 See above on Jones.
9th in points at graduation; 3rd in assists.
I don't know enough about Todd Smith (HC Tom's son)...was he a Valpo High kid too?
(and of course briefly Rob Harden :))
http://www.valpolife.com/sports/high-schools/4860-basketball-legends-roundtable-a-great-event (http://www.valpolife.com/sports/high-schools/4860-basketball-legends-roundtable-a-great-event)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 08, 2013, 12:20:46 PM
Quote from: agibson on April 08, 2013, 10:13:07 AMHow many have there been, ever? It seems like VHS consistently turns out D1 quality players - I'm not sure exactly at what rate
The latter point is true; I don't know if it's one per year but it's close. Certainly there are very close long-time friends of the program who read these boards who can say better than I (since they coached these men), but since Bryce, no one. But before Bryce, the record book is littered with them:
David Redmon (VHS '90) 1992-1995 (transfer from UALR) VU Hall of Fame, 2004 class
http://www.valpoathletics.com/athletics/halloffame/2003-04/2834/david-redmon/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/athletics/halloffame/2003-04/2834/david-redmon/)
Rob Cavanaugh (VHS '90) 1990-1994 Should be in the Hall of Fame if Jamie Sykes is.
4th in assists when he graduated; 4th in FT% when he graduated.
Casey Schmidt (VHS '89) 1992-1994 (transfer from Arizona) VU Hall of Fame, 2008 class
http://www.valpoathletics.com/athletics/halloffame/2007-08/2804/casey-schmidt/ (http://www.valpoathletics.com/athletics/halloffame/2007-08/2804/casey-schmidt/)
Mike Jones (VHS '86) 1986-1990 See above on Cavanaugh.
7th in points at graduation; 5th in assists at graduation.
I mean, if Sykes is there, he is famous for a great pass. Jones is famous for a layup to force OT vs. ND.
Scott Anselm (VHS '85) 1985-1989 See above on Jones.
9th in points at graduation; 3rd in assists.
I don't know enough about Todd Smith (HC Tom's son)...was he a Valpo High kid too?
(and of course briefly Rob Harden :))
http://www.valpolife.com/sports/high-schools/4860-basketball-legends-roundtable-a-great-event (http://www.valpolife.com/sports/high-schools/4860-basketball-legends-roundtable-a-great-event)
Were any of those guys also First Team All-Conference in a second sport as well?
Quote from: covufan on April 08, 2013, 11:57:46 AMI think that Michigan as been recruiting Porter County well in the last several years.
Here's what Zack Novak has to say about that:
Novak freak out (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZCeKp5PpYs#)
Quote from: vusupporter on April 08, 2013, 12:25:33 PMWere any of those guys also First Team All-Conference in a second sport as well?
Doubtful. But I don't think I can adequately defend the point further without offending baseball players in general.
Yes, Todd Smith went to Valpo High School. He hit one of the biggest shots in school history to upset MC Rogers and Delray Brooks in the 1983 Regional.
Quote from: Valpo89 on April 08, 2013, 12:41:09 PM
Yes, Todd Smith went to Valpo High School. He hit one of the biggest shots in school history to upset MC Rogers and Delray Brooks in the 1983 Regional.
I believe he graduated from VHS in '84. Tom Smith was literally recruiting from his back yard.
All-conference in other sports - Bryce Drew, tennis and Casey Schmidt in baseball.
In the four years Bryce was a student at Valparaiso University he was without question the best basketball player and best tennis player on campus. Gordon Hayward might have had a similar distinction in his two years at Butler.
Was Jamie Sykes added for his baseball prowess, or was it more for his inclusion as the thrower of the pass that made Pacer legendary?
I think what vusupporter was going for, chef, was which of all those players was also all-conference in college at a second sport, in defense of Jamie being in the Hall over Cavanaugh/Jones/Anselm.
Certainly B-Drew, if he's not shooting anymore, should go back to tennis as an outlet. Then again, who has the time?
Here's a start at a list of other D1 VHS players:
Scott Martin
Rob Hummel
Hayden Humes
ok...took a second to look it up. Coach Knauff would know and he cites "nearly 50", so I'm going to stop right there. If I had the book I would start typing. But you could just take my word for it since we're getting a little off-topic.
http://thegreenandwhitebook.com/ (http://thegreenandwhitebook.com/)
One big reason Jamie came to Valpo was he was offerred a chance to play both baseball and basketball. He was drafted by the Diamondbacks prior to his Sr (5th year), and many believed he would not come back for his final basketball season. Obviously, history would have been written differently had he not returned.
BTW: I'm getting really slow in my old age to understand things. Thanks for the explanation Apostle... :-[
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 08, 2013, 01:42:33 PM
I think what vusupporter was going for, chef, was which of all those players was also all-conference in college at a second sport, in defense of Jamie being in the Hall over Cavanaugh/Jones/Anselm.
Certainly B-Drew, if he's not shooting anymore, should go back to tennis as an outlet. Then again, who has the time?
Here's a start at a list of other D1 VHS players:
Scott Martin
Rob Hummel
Hayden Humes
ok...took a second to look it up. Coach Knauff would know and he cites "nearly 50", so I'm going to stop right there. If I had the book I would start typing. But you could just take my word for it since we're getting a little off-topic.
http://thegreenandwhitebook.com/ (http://thegreenandwhitebook.com/)
When I first read vusupporter's comment, I thought college as well. After Chef's answer, I went back to reread. I think vusupporter knew the answer (at least one of them) and it was HS all conference.
Quote from: covufan on April 08, 2013, 01:03:09 PMI believe he graduated from VHS in '84. Tom Smith was literally recruiting from his back yard.
Gee......McCallum, McDermott....and those are just the Mc's.........Jim and Tyler Les (UC Davis), Ernie and Trey Zeigler (CMU), Louis and Chauncey Orr (Bowling Green), Dave and Jordan Boots (South Dakota), Jim and Billy Molinari (Western Illinois) just to name a few.And who can forget this picture........................http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2013/03/28/2013-03-28-best-buzzer-beaters-x-large.jpg (http://www.gannett-cdn.com/media/USATODAY/USATODAY/2013/03/28/2013-03-28-best-buzzer-beaters-x-large.jpg)
The biggest miss VU had recently was Brad Karp, but then again so did 350 other D1s. Already 2000 career points in three years at NAIA St. Xaiver including 28 against Notre Dame his sophomore season.
If you want to see how good he is, take a look at him at VU open gym this summer.
Recruiting = inexact science
There are a lot of D1 misses that end up playing in the lower leagues for various reasons. Just this season had a kid from our last Tech team that is now playing in the NBDL. Could have probably played on a number of D1 teams.
Indiana All-Stars announced:
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130409/SPORTS02/304090028/Indiana-All-Stars-Purdue-recruit-Basil-Smotherman-uses-junior-snub-motivation (http://www.indystar.com/article/20130409/SPORTS02/304090028/Indiana-All-Stars-Purdue-recruit-Basil-Smotherman-uses-junior-snub-motivation)
Specifically
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INDYSTAR INDIANA ALL-STAR ROSTER
Zak Irvin, Hamilton Southeastern, 6-7, Michigan
Demetrius Jackson, Mishawaka Marian, 6-1, Notre Dame
Bryson Scott, Fort Wayne Northrop, 6-2, Purdue
Devin Davis, Warren Central, 6-6, Indiana
Michael Volovic, Carmel, 5-9, Butler
Collin Hartman, Cathedral, 6-6, Indiana
V.J. Beachem, New Haven, 6-7, Notre Dame
Clay Yeo, Triton, 6-6, Valpariaso [sic]
Basil Smotherman, Lawrence North, 6-7, Purdue
Blake Simmons, Castle, 6-5, Evansville
Mike Crawford, Tipton, 6-5, Saint Louis
Michael Schlotman, Munster, 6-3, William & Mary
Darius Latham, North Central, 6-6, Indiana
The only real comment on Yeo, apart from mentioning he's coming to Valpo (they spelled it correctly in the body of the story) is
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Including the 6-7 Smotherman and 6-7 IndyStar Mr. Basketball Zak Irvin of Hamilton Southeastern, this year's All-Star team is heavy on tall and versatile wing players. They include: Warren Central's 6-6 Devin Davis, Cathedral's 6-6 Collin Hartman, New Haven's 6-7 V.J. Beachem, Triton's 6-6 Clay Yeo, Tipton's 6-5 Mike Crawford and Castle's 6-5 Blake Simmons.
Of the all-stars, apparently Latham is going to play _football_ at Indiana. And Volovic's going to walk on (?!) at Butler.
Do we know if Davidson was invited to the "top-60 workout on Sunday"? Apparently some sort of a pre-selection workout. Was the list announced?
Did we cover the AP Indiana All-State team? I don't see it, on quick glance.
Yeo was named to the third team.
http://www.staceypageonline.com/2013/04/03/yeo-bloom-lauded-by-ap/ (http://www.staceypageonline.com/2013/04/03/yeo-bloom-lauded-by-ap/)
Here is the Top 60 list. Davidson was on the list. Yeo obviously had done enough to make the All-Stars as he was unable to participate.
Quote from: zvillehaze on April 09, 2013, 10:40:31 AMAnd Volovic's going to walk on (?!) at Butler.
Volovic is solid he could be in line for some PT right away. He could have gone other places but chose Butler even though there were no scholarships remaining.
Workout invitees follow.
Ian Asher, Danville
Darryl Baker, Jeffersonville
Jalen Bender, Evansville Central
Steven Bennett, New Castle
Jared Bloom, Warsaw
Trey Boyd, Anderson
Caleb Brannon, Lebanon
Jaylon Brown, Fishers
Blake Cesinger, Clay City
Jaylen Chambers, Evansville North
Kegan Comer, Jay County
Brandon Cook, Cannelton
Charles Cooper, Gary Wallace
Brock Cosey, South Bend Riley
Mike Crawford, Tipton
Nick Crays, North Daviess
James Crowley, Carmel
Andrew Dakich, Zionsville
Nick Davidson, Andrean
Devin Davis, Warren Central
Alex Etherington, Hamilton Heights
J.C. Faubion, Indianapolis Lutheran
Dess Fougerousse, Linton
Nick Gamble, Homestead
Brogan Gary, Pendleton Heights
Sawyer Glick, Columbus North
Collin Hartman, Indianapolis Cathedral
Franko House, Concord
Zak Irvin, Hamilton Southeastern
Tori Jackson, Columbus North
B.J. Jenkins, Merrillville
Anthony Johnson, Decatur Central
Brodie Crowe, Shakamak
Tyler Jones, Sheridan
Austin Karazsia, Linton
Nick Kindig, Tippecanoe Valley
Carlos Knox, Indianapolis Ritter
Darius Latham, North Central (Marion)
Ajay Lawton, Westfield
Lane Mahurin, Rockville
Brett McCory, Brownstown Central
Jalen McCoy, Borden
Brock McFarland, Jay County
Markese McGuire, Elkhart Memorial
John Mosser, Valparaiso
Michael Morris, New Palestine
Cole Murray, Delphi
Antonio Penny, Logansport
Chris Braun, Charlestown
Antonio Pipkin, Bowman Academy
Mack Rathbun, Muncie Burris
Korey Ryan, New Castle
Mike Schlotman, Munster
Brenton Scott, Fort Wayne Northrop
Bryson Scott, Fort Wayne Northrop
LaBradford Sebree, Kokomo
Basil Smotherman Jr., Lawrence North
Justus Stanback, West Lafayette
Thomas Starks, Fort Wayne Concordia
Jeffrey Turner, Terre Haute South
Stephen Turner, Mt. Vernon (Fortville)
Zavier Turner, Pike
Gary Ulrich, Rockville
Greg Spina, Martinsville
Michael Volovic, Carmel
Tyler Walsh, Evansville Mater Dei
Tony Wills, Ben Davis
Conner Wittmer, Loogootee
Selected but unable to participate
V.J. Beachem, New Haven
Demetrius Jackson, Mishawaka Marian
Taishaun Johnson, Pike
Jordan Pickett, Pike
Blake Simmons, Castle
Austin Torres, Penn
Trent VanHorn, Fort Wayne Canterbury
Josh VanMeter, Norwell
Keenan Wood, Franklin
Clay Yeo, Triton
Volovic is simply a winner. He is undersized at 5'9" but has abilities on the floor which cannot be disputed. Carmel won state two years in a row with him in command and with NO D1 talent (other than himself) on the floor. McRoberts probably will be a mid-major (he is only a junior) but their leading players from last year went D3.
If I were voting for Mr. Basketball serious consideration would have been given to Volovic. He is that good.
Davidson did in fact attend Top 60 and played well. One must realize that for the most part the Top 60 degenerates very quickly into a "one on one" fest with tons of poor shots and quite a few airballs. Nick made a couple of nice drives to the hoop and finished strongly on one play.
Schlottman is a better fit for the Indiana All Stars and it is doubtful two from the weak conference were going to make All Stars.
Davidson can be another Matt Kenney if he improves quickness/jumping.
lowposter
Quote from: lowposter on April 09, 2013, 04:04:35 PMDavidson did in fact attend Top 60 and played well. One must realize that for the most part the Top 60 degenerates very quickly into a "one on one" fest with tons of poor shots and quite a few airballs. Nick made a couple of nice drives to the hoop and finished strongly on one play.
Davidson can be another Matt Kenney if he improves quickness/jumping.
Some mention of that was made before, but good to hear further confirmation. Thanks lowposter.
Quote from: IndyValpo on April 09, 2013, 01:30:10 PMJ.C. Faubion, Indianapolis Lutheran
J.C. is a descent basketball player. His mother, by the way, is one of the better elementary teachers and church volunteers in Indiana and certainly deserves recognition.
Quote from: bbtds on April 09, 2013, 06:16:16 PMJ.C. is a descent basketball player.
guess his mum played the game too, huh? Maybe she and CapobiMomco can chat.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 09, 2013, 06:53:05 PM
Quote from: bbtds on April 09, 2013, 06:16:16 PMJ.C. is a descent basketball player.
guess his mum played the game too, huh? Maybe she and CapobiMomco can chat.
No, I honestly believe J.C.'s mother deserves more recognition for her teaching and volunteering than J.C. does for his basketball skills.
He did once make a "heck" of a catch during a playoff football game as a receiver that I will never forget. Finger tip catch that many NFL receivers would have never made.
Four DePaul players seeking a new home. Would we be interested in any or do we want a Juco who could play next year?:
http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/040913aab.html (http://www.depaulbluedemons.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/040913aab.html)
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/22034866/memphis-junior-tarik-black-transferring (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/22034866/memphis-junior-tarik-black-transferring)
Tarik Black from Memphis is transferring. Maybe he could be a Valparaiso get. Sounds like his game would fill a hole in our lineup next year.
On a side note, what are your opinions? Is Black at the level of the transfers we have been getting in recent years, or better than those transfers?
Black would be nice since he'd be immediately eligible to play and both are big men and I think there are a lot of questions around Vashil's offensive abilities still. Robertson could fit as well, although he will have to redshirt next season unless some oddity that I don't know about in the ncaa transfer rules but most likely he will just be in street clothes next season.
Deserving Yeo named an all-star
http://www.staceypageonline.com/2013/04/09/deserving-yeo-named-an-all-star/ (http://www.staceypageonline.com/2013/04/09/deserving-yeo-named-an-all-star/)
"I just want people to remember how I carried myself on and off the court," said Yeo. "I want them to remember my approach and just how I handled everything.
"I also want them to know that things are possible if you work hard and want them bad enough."
An All-Star jersey for Yeo is proof positive of that fact.
In regards to the Memphis article, it mentions that he would be restricted from transferring to a school on their upcoming schedule. I thought that if you graduated early, you are technically done with your commitment to the university, and can transfer wherever?
Quote from: classof2014 on April 07, 2013, 10:03:30 AM
Could possibly hear sometime today or tomorrow whether or not Mr. Basketball in Kentucky, Dominique Hawkins, where he will be going. If he's offered a scholarship from Kentucky chances are that's where he goes but I've seen weirder things happen.
He announced this morning that he will attend Kentucky.
Quote from: valpopal on April 10, 2013, 07:44:46 AM
Quote from: classof2014 on April 07, 2013, 10:03:30 AM
Could possibly hear sometime today or tomorrow whether or not Mr. Basketball in Kentucky, Dominique Hawkins, where he will be going. If he's offered a scholarship from Kentucky chances are that's where he goes but I've seen weirder things happen.
He announced this morning that he will attend Kentucky.
Kinda figured he would. I think we can now turn our attention to trying to find a big man, either JUCO or somebody immediately eligible. Still a lot of questions surrounding Vashil's offensive capabilities.
Quote from: classof2014 on April 10, 2013, 08:43:08 AM
Quote from: valpopal on April 10, 2013, 07:44:46 AM
Quote from: classof2014 on April 07, 2013, 10:03:30 AM
Could possibly hear sometime today or tomorrow whether or not Mr. Basketball in Kentucky, Dominique Hawkins, where he will be going. If he's offered a scholarship from Kentucky chances are that's where he goes but I've seen weirder things happen.
He announced this morning that he will attend Kentucky.
Kinda figured he would. I think we can now turn our attention to trying to find a big man, either JUCO or somebody immediately eligible. Still a lot of questions surrounding Vashil's offensive capabilities.
To put a period (probably more of an exclamation point) on the Hawkins discussion, this from USAToday:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2013/04/09/championship-louisville-kentucky-back-to-back/2067813/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2013/04/09/championship-louisville-kentucky-back-to-back/2067813/)
A snippit from that article:
"Kentucky's incoming recruiting class is easily the best in the nation, and arguably the greatest class ever assembled. The Wildcats will likely be preseason No. 1 in every college basketball poll."
and
"Already, Calipari has signed Julius Randle, the top-ranked power forward in the nation, Andrew Harrison (the No. 1 point guard recruit), Aaron Harrison (No. 1 shooting guard), James Young (the No. 2 shooting guard), Dakari Johnson (the No. 1 center), and Marcus Lee (the No. 5 power forward). Each of the six signees is a five-star recruit."And this does not even mention Mr. Kentucky Basketball.
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 10, 2013, 09:33:01 AMAnd this does not even mention Mr. Kentucky Basketball.
VU & KU fans will simply call him "Jay".
Alex Foster, a 6'8" Rivals 3-star from Chicago, has just de-committed from Minnesota. He is someone who was on Valpo's radar, especially coach Powell, and would be a great addition if he could be persuaded to come to VU:
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/tuesday-s-illinois-prep-roundup-seton-s-foster-decommits-from/article_81fc33bd-59df-5e07-95ce-b6f3934a2f3a.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/tuesday-s-illinois-prep-roundup-seton-s-foster-decommits-from/article_81fc33bd-59df-5e07-95ce-b6f3934a2f3a.html)
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 10, 2013, 09:33:01 AM
Quote from: classof2014 on April 10, 2013, 08:43:08 AM
Quote from: valpopal on April 10, 2013, 07:44:46 AM
Quote from: classof2014 on April 07, 2013, 10:03:30 AM
Could possibly hear sometime today or tomorrow whether or not Mr. Basketball in Kentucky, Dominique Hawkins, where he will be going. If he's offered a scholarship from Kentucky chances are that's where he goes but I've seen weirder things happen.
He announced this morning that he will attend Kentucky.
Kinda figured he would. I think we can now turn our attention to trying to find a big man, either JUCO or somebody immediately eligible. Still a lot of questions surrounding Vashil's offensive capabilities.
To put a period (probably more of an exclamation point) on the Hawkins discussion, this from USAToday:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2013/04/09/championship-louisville-kentucky-back-to-back/2067813/ (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/2013/04/09/championship-louisville-kentucky-back-to-back/2067813/)
A snippit from that article: "Kentucky's incoming recruiting class is easily the best in the nation, and arguably the greatest class ever assembled. The Wildcats will likely be preseason No. 1 in every college basketball poll."
and
"Already, Calipari has signed Julius Randle, the top-ranked power forward in the nation, Andrew Harrison (the No. 1 point guard recruit), Aaron Harrison (No. 1 shooting guard), James Young (the No. 2 shooting guard), Dakari Johnson (the No. 1 center), and Marcus Lee (the No. 5 power forward). Each of the six signees is a five-star recruit."
And this does not even mention Mr. Kentucky Basketball.
This is just amazing. Calipari keeps getting these kids even though he failed to even make the NCAAs and lost in the first round of the NIT. How many of the McDonald's All Americans from this year will return (some for sure) and then add all these kids. Many are going to be very disappointed as they all expect to play in the NBA--without a doubt.
BTW, how did the Wright State kid who played his last season at Kentucky do? I never followed him to see if he had any playing time.
Quote from: valpopal on April 10, 2013, 10:36:22 AM
Alex Foster, a 6'8" Rivals 3-star from Chicago, has just de-committed from Minnesota. He is someone who was on Valpo's radar, especially coach Powell, and would be a great addition if he could be persuaded to come to VU:
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/tuesday-s-illinois-prep-roundup-seton-s-foster-decommits-from/article_81fc33bd-59df-5e07-95ce-b6f3934a2f3a.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/tuesday-s-illinois-prep-roundup-seton-s-foster-decommits-from/article_81fc33bd-59df-5e07-95ce-b6f3934a2f3a.html)
This could have legs. Foster and our own Jubril Adekoya played AAU together last summer for Meanstreets:
http://aauinfo.blogspot.com/2012/06/meanstreets-2012.html (http://aauinfo.blogspot.com/2012/06/meanstreets-2012.html)
Foster had numerous D-1 Major offers, including Minnesota, Purdue, Illinois, Wisconsin, Nebraska and Northwestern of the Big 10. We're short on bigs and he would undoubtedly get a lot of playing time from the get-go. Sounds like a match made in heaven. If he were to join this incoming class, the "struggling early" and other negative projections would have to be reassessed.
I would absolutely love to get this 6'8" guy. It would provide some needed post back-up for Bobby, and someone we can have for a few years to come
We definitely have a shot at Foster. Our biggest advantage is we can offer immediate playing time. He and Vashil will probably fight for the 2 spot next season right behind Bobby. With Bobby graduating next year, we'll only have one big left in Vashil and definitely have an opening for a big man and is a definite need.
Hopefully Powell can work his magic on another prime Chicago talent and get Foster to fall in love with Valpo.
Hopefully a number of the B1G schools that were interested already have their scholarship slots full for the 2013 class. The reduction of available scholarships coupled with the possibility of immediate playing time could work to our advantage. Just looked at some video (mainly dunks) and I really like his length and shoulders so it kind of surprises me from what I see that he is only a 3 star recruit. Does anybody know what the pundits consider to be this kids weaknesses?
Northwestern and Harvard offered. Must have decent grades. Valpo didn't offer according to Rivals.
According to espn: "Strengths:
This long and athletic forward has a good basketball body for such a young player. He slithers between defenders for nice finishes or drawing fouls. Foster also displayed the ability to rebound with authority in a crowd. He runs the floor very well and is quick to the ball. Foster has developing good hands and makes plays with his consistent effort.
Weaknesses:
He has a funny release on his shot especially from the free throw line. His form is not bad but he releases his guide hand too soon which at times moves his shot off line. This young lefty is raw and must continue to work to develop his overall skills and at times seems to still finding his way but the talent and potential are very evident.
Bottom Line:
Alex is a lefty post player that is smooth and talented. He is a little raw right now but is developing a face-up basket game. He has range on his shot right now to 15 feet. He is long and athletic and is very good transition. Tremendous amount of upside."
According to verbal commits, seems like all the schools that haven't had a commit at the PF position and offered him a scholarship are and don't have any other leads at the PF position: Nebraska and Purdue but Purdue had two guys at the PF position who were freshman this season and one was redshirted.
Quote from: FWalum on April 10, 2013, 12:05:53 PMHopefully a number of the B1G schools that were interested already have their scholarship slots full for the 2013 class.
Problem being people declaring for the draft will open up spots...
Quote from: classof2014 on April 10, 2013, 12:23:55 PMWeaknesses: He has a funny release on his shot especially from the free throw line. His form is not bad but he releases his guide hand too soon which at times moves his shot off line. This young lefty is raw and must continue to work to develop his overall skills and at times seems to still finding his way but the talent and potential are very evident.
Somebody send this guy Virgil Sweet's book on FT shooting. Inside the book write to him that Bryce went to HS where Sweet taught and coached. That Bryce learned from Sweet's students.I went to one of Sweet's basketball schools. I bet I could teach him how to release his shot. On the other hand writing on a message board would not be my strength. ;)
Quote from: historyman on April 10, 2013, 01:39:14 PM
Quote from: classof2014 on April 10, 2013, 12:23:55 PMWeaknesses: He has a funny release on his shot especially from the free throw line. His form is not bad but he releases his guide hand too soon which at times moves his shot off line. This young lefty is raw and must continue to work to develop his overall skills and at times seems to still finding his way but the talent and potential are very evident.
Somebody send this guy Virgil Sweet's book on FT shooting. Inside the book write to him that Bryce went to HS where Sweet taught and coached. That Bryce learned from Sweet's students.
I went to one of Sweet's basketball schools. I bet I could teach him how to release his shot. On the other hand writing on a message board would not be my strength. ;)
I went to all four of his basketball summer camps, and I bet I could teach him proper form as well, assuming players are still teachable at that age. Mind you that's the only basketball thing I'd have the ghost of a chance to teach anyone ;)
Quote from: FWalum on April 10, 2013, 12:05:53 PM
Hopefully a number of the B1G schools that were interested already have their scholarship slots full for the 2013 class. The reduction of available scholarships coupled with the possibility of immediate playing time could work to our advantage. Just looked at some video (mainly dunks) and I really like his length and shoulders so it kind of surprises me from what I see that he is only a 3 star recruit. Does anybody know what the pundits consider to be this kids weaknesses?
I'm hearing that our main competition for Foster would be Purdue.
Just a warning about Purdue, Alex Foster: just like Blake drafted by the Clippers, it's a dangerous thing to do to one's legs. Like being a running back at Iowa. (not a threat of course! a warning!!!)
(http://mgoblog.com/sites/mgoblog.com/files/UV_10C18/perrycolor.jpg)
Minor corrections here...
Bryce had his own free throw style which differed from the then Valpo method. Bob Punter was the VHS coach at the time and Bryce was allowed to use his own style. Other players in that era used the Valpo style. The previous VHS coach was Skip Collins. Skip was absolutely brilliant at teaching kids how to shoot FTs. I saw him work with a group of Valpo 7th/8th graders and transform a 7th grader from a 40% shooter to 75% within one hour of team instruction and perhaps 5 minutes of one on one time.
Free throws are muscle memory with considerable mental skills attached. By minimizing the movements, there are fewer things to go wrong with the shot. By standardizing the shot, it is easy to coach/instruct with fewer "moveable parts" so to speak.
I am surprized Skip Collins isnt used as a consultant, but most basketball coaches have an ego thing about bringing in "outside help." By the time players are in college, most are unwilling to tinker or adjust their shooting styles.
lowposter
Skip Collins worked pretty extensively one summer with Raitis Grafs and his FT % improved from 60 to 70%.
Found this video of Raitis competing in slot car championships:
BA SLOT CARS 271210.mpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fANiQmGIi54#)
Could use subtitles, but the piano tune was jaunty.
Actually, you can get Portuguese CC, but I don't understand Portuguese, so ...
Quote from: wh on April 12, 2013, 02:14:19 PM
Skip Collins worked pretty extensively one summer with Raitis Grafs and his FT % improved from 60 to 70%.
Found this video of Raitis competing in slot car championships:
BA SLOT CARS 271210.mpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fANiQmGIi54#)
Vīrieši un viņu rotaļlietas!
Quote from: bbtds on April 12, 2013, 02:37:32 PM
Quote from: wh on April 12, 2013, 02:14:19 PM
Skip Collins worked pretty extensively one summer with Raitis Grafs and his FT % improved from 60 to 70%.
Found this video of Raitis competing in slot car championships:
BA SLOT CARS 271210.mpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fANiQmGIi54#)
Vīrieši un viņu rotaļlietas!
izskatās daudz jautrības
Quote from: wh on April 12, 2013, 02:47:50 PM
Quote from: bbtds on April 12, 2013, 02:37:32 PM
Quote from: wh on April 12, 2013, 02:14:19 PM
Skip Collins worked pretty extensively one summer with Raitis Grafs and his FT % improved from 60 to 70%.
Found this video of Raitis competing in slot car championships:
BA SLOT CARS 271210.mpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fANiQmGIi54#)
Vīrieši un viņu rotaļlietas!
izskatās daudz jautrības
touche! ;)
Haha, that is such a Raitis thing to do. He was so out there away from the court :)
Quote from: bbtds on April 12, 2013, 02:37:32 PM
Quote from: wh on April 12, 2013, 02:14:19 PM
Skip Collins worked pretty extensively one summer with Raitis Grafs and his FT % improved from 60 to 70%.
Found this video of Raitis competing in slot car championships:
BA SLOT CARS 271210.mpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fANiQmGIi54#)
Vīrieši un viņu rotaļlietas!
Easy for you to say.
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yeah but i thought you asked.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 13, 2013, 08:05:01 AM
yeah but i thought you asked.
Hey guys, it's only April and the posts are getting more silly and off point. Just sayin...
Quote from: vu72 on April 13, 2013, 08:23:50 AMHey guys, it's only April and the posts are getting more silly and off point. Just sayin...
viņi sāka to, ne man!
Quote from: vu72 on April 13, 2013, 08:23:50 AM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 13, 2013, 08:05:01 AM
yeah but i thought you asked.
Hey guys, it's only April and the posts are getting more silly and off point. Just sayin...
Ditto, it would be nice if we could get back to recruiting on this thread. This is one of the more exciting threads for me and to come here and see it filled with gibberish is a little disappointing, but I can live with it.
Someone help me. Are vu72 and FWalum moderators?
If they were moderators, they wouldn't be making suggestions ;)
Quote from: historyman on April 13, 2013, 02:24:15 PM
Someone help me. Are vu72 and FWalum moderators?
Nope. Just very senior posters who have seen it all. ;)
thanks a Lat, you guys.
Going to take advantage of this lull to bang the drum again:
what about a year-by-year topics like "Recruiting 2014" "Recruiting 2015" etc. to keep posts about a particular class of players united together?
Or is everybody pretty much ok with the way things are all mishmoshed together on here?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 13, 2013, 03:17:35 PM
thanks a Lat, you guys.
Going to take advantage of this lull to bang the drum again:
what about a year-by-year topics like "Recruiting 2014" "Recruiting 2015" etc. to keep posts about a particular class of players united together?
Or is everybody pretty much ok with the way things are all mishmoshed together on here?
This thread is so long and covers so much it is impossible to go back and find out what if anything has been said previously about a prospective candidate. As you suggest, we should continue posting on this thread for our 2013 recruits, but then start new recruiting threads for each subsequent year.
How about this guy?
Virginia coach Tony Bennett says sophomore guard Paul Jesperson is leaving the Cavaliers' program.
The 6-foot-6 Jesperson started 33 of 35 games this season. He averaged 4.7 points and 2.2 rebounds. He scored a career-best 12 points in an 80-69 victory at Maryland on Feb. 10, but shot just 36.1 percent from the field overall. He made 40 of 108 3-point tries, or 37 percent.
Bennett says Jesperson, of Merrill, Wis., intends to transfer to another school and continue his basketball career.
http://bostonherald.com/sports/college/college_basketball/2013/04/bennett_jesperson_granted_release_to_transfer (http://bostonherald.com/sports/college/college_basketball/2013/04/bennett_jesperson_granted_release_to_transfer)
Quote from: VULB#62 on April 15, 2013, 09:45:27 PMHow about this guy? Virginia coach Tony Bennett says sophomore guard Paul Jesperson is leaving the Cavaliers' program. The 6-foot-6 Jesperson started 33 of 35 games this season. He averaged 4.7 points and 2.2 rebounds. He scored a career-best 12 points in an 80-69 victory at Maryland on Feb. 10, but shot just 36.1 percent from the field overall. He made 40 of 108 3-point tries, or 37 percent. Bennett says Jesperson, of Merrill, Wis., intends to transfer to another school and continue his basketball career. http://bostonherald.com/sports/college/college_basketball/2013/04/bennett_jesperson_granted_release_to_transfer (http://bostonherald.com/sports/college/college_basketball/2013/04/bennett_jesperson_granted_release_to_transfer)
My guess is he'll drop down to one of the Div. II in central or northern Wisconsin. Merrill is north central Wisconsin, just north of Wausau and Stevens Point. That way he can play next year and not sit.
Anybody happen to notice this guy?
http://verbalcommits.com/players/aaric-armstead (http://verbalcommits.com/players/aaric-armstead)
Aaric Armstead of Fresno, CA
Aaric Armstead 6'5 shooting guard Bullard HS (Fresno, CA) 2012-Mac Irvin Fire basketball highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmr6pH8qTyI#ws)
Schools interested: Hawaii, New Mexico, Green Bay, Loyola(MVC), Manhattan, Valpo, Colorado State, Cal St-Bakersfield, Cal St-Northridge, Northern IL, Fairfield
According to twitter via verbalcommits. Apparently Armstead has committed to Northern Illinois about 16 days ago but nothing else has been released, so I don't believe that to be true. He's gotten 10 or so offers and some are pretty big schools: New Mexico, Colorado St, and Valpo which all made the tournament and numerous teams better than Northern so I really don't believe it to be true. Perhaps it shows he's looking in this area though.
Both Aaron and Aaric Armstead have verbally chosen Northern Illinois. Both are from the Chicago area with Aaric already having played 1 year with Green Bay. Both at one time had been on VU's radar but that was several years ago. Today is the beginning of official signing. Will anxiously be waiting to see what Bryce does with his 1 scholarship left. Will he wait and leave it open hoping for a late transfer? Also waiting to see what Coach Dorow will bring in. I believe there are 7 to 8 scholarships open.
Putting out a bat-signal for someone more in the know than I to create a sticky post to go on the top of the basketball page (along with schedule, etc?): Men's Recruiting
It would say stuff like
Class of 2015
Commits
Offers
C/PF Matt Holba 6'6 Guerin Catholic
etc.
Interest
PG MJ Fox 5'10 Teen Wolf
etc.
Is there anyone out there with the knowledge? I figure sites like this new VerbalCommits must be getting it from somewhere. And it's something we really should have--I just thought it was random everyone talking about Dominique Hawkins, but apparently many people knew that he had a VU offer. So something like this will serve as a handy reference chart, right?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 17, 2013, 09:07:49 PM
Putting out a bat-signal for someone more in the know than I to create a sticky post to go on the top of the basketball page (along with schedule, etc?): Men's Recruiting
It would say stuff like
Class of 2015
Commits
Offers
C/PF Matt Holba 6'6 Guerin Catholic
etc.
Interest
PG MJ Fox 5'10 Teen Wolf
etc.
Is there anyone out there with the knowledge? I figure sites like this new VerbalCommits must be getting it from somewhere. And it's something we really should have--I just thought it was random everyone talking about Dominique Hawkins, but apparently many people knew that he had a VU offer. So something like this will serve as a handy reference chart, right?
Good idea. Unfortunately, I'm not the guy to make it happen.
Neither am I. But hopefully someone can step forward, or people can nominate someone if they know a qualified person.
The most ironic thing I find about this clip from HBO's old Mr. Show with Bob & David is that it's old. As in over sixteen years old. So, years before Lane Kiffin was offering scholarships to preteens, they were already mocking him and Les Miles.
Also it's pretty funny.
MR SHOW: Recruiters! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fy878f83Xa4#)
EDIT: Whoops I posted the wrong YouTube video...I didn't mean to post Palombizio season highlights. At least not here. Seriously check out this awesome video.
I'm starting to think Valpo is holding out for a transfer to fill the final scholarship void. I have heard nothing of incoming freshman visiting campus or even anybody visiting campus for that matter, I believe.
Jubril Adekoya--9 points, 9 boards, and showed some range (and some inexperience) in a McLegends game loss to TO et al:
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/girls-basketball/t-o-is-the-show-at-mclegends-xi/article_774ef606-0241-5095-9812-d2c138e43317.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/girls-basketball/t-o-is-the-show-at-mclegends-xi/article_774ef606-0241-5095-9812-d2c138e43317.html)
Quote[Terrell] Owens had a big play with 49.2 seconds left after a missed free throw by by Kenyea Beach. The Boys' Jubril Adekoya grabbed the rebound, but Owens tied him up and the possession arrow was with the McLegends....
Valparaiso recruit Jubril Adekoya, from Andrew, had nine points, including a first-quarter 3-pointer.
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/high-school-all-stars-get-a-quarter-pounding-in-mclegends/article_acb77068-6ed0-58ad-ba09-202d04a2cdd3.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/boys-basketball/high-school-all-stars-get-a-quarter-pounding-in-mclegends/article_acb77068-6ed0-58ad-ba09-202d04a2cdd3.html)
QuoteVU 2: Andrew's Jubril Adekoya played well, scoring nine points and grabbing just as many rebounds. The 6-foot-7 power forward will play for Valparaiso University's Bryce Drew next season.
This week in THANKS FOR MAKING ME FEEL OLD, YA LITTLE PUNK:
QuoteBowman Academy's Antonio Pipkin led the high school all-stars with 18 points in their 112-109 loss to the McLegends. But the biggest thing he did was block a dunk attempt by former NFL superstar Terrell Owens.
"When I saw it was just me and T.O. I knew I had to go for it," Pipkin said.
He also hit a runner over four-time NBA champion Craig Hodges, who won two titles with the Bulls.
"I didn't even know who he was until the (pre-game) announcements," Pipkin said. "But when I heard about his history, to make a shot like that, that's pretty cool."
sigh
And to think we generally remember Craig Hodges for his ignominious record as head coach at Chicago State... ;)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 21, 2013, 07:47:48 PMVU 2: Andrew's Jubril Adekoya played well, scoring nine points and grabbing just as many rebounds. The 6-foot-7 power forward will play for Valparaiso University's Bryce Drew next season.
I really liked seeing the rebound numbers. Without seeing a box score I would have to think this is near the top for number of rebounds. I really think that initially rebounding will be his main job early in his VU career.
Maurice Creek looking for a new school....heard he is looking closer to home though.
Quote from: HC on April 24, 2013, 08:27:51 PM
Maurice Creek looking for a new school....heard he is looking closer to home though.
I think the "closer to home" comment was just press release material to explain why he was leaving ... much easier than saying Crean didn't want him back. FWIW, Creek was part of IU's recruiting class that included Bobby Capobianco, so maybe that might help. If Creek wants playing time, he might find it at Valpo, especially while the freshmen are getting adjusted to college.
(http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/90250_W7CKXc42ZJeSRNk.jpg)
Quote from: HC on April 24, 2013, 08:27:51 PMMaurice Creek looking for a new school
That poor kid has had 3 major injuries while at IU. He is a shadow of what was once a really good prospect. He is graduating and taking advantage of the Senior rule. Good for him, he was not going to be a factor for IU next year.
Quote from: IndyValpo on April 25, 2013, 08:48:29 AMThat poor kid has had 3 major injuries while at IU
sounds like he's up the creek
Quote from: wh on April 10, 2013, 11:24:58 AM
Quote from: valpopal on April 10, 2013, 10:36:22 AM
Alex Foster, a 6'8" Rivals 3-star from Chicago, has just de-committed from Minnesota. He is someone who was on Valpo's radar, especially coach Powell, and would be a great addition if he could be persuaded to come to VU:
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/tuesday-s-illinois-prep-roundup-seton-s-foster-decommits-from/article_81fc33bd-59df-5e07-95ce-b6f3934a2f3a.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/tuesday-s-illinois-prep-roundup-seton-s-foster-decommits-from/article_81fc33bd-59df-5e07-95ce-b6f3934a2f3a.html)
This could have legs. Foster and our own Jubril Adekoya played AAU together last summer for Meanstreets:
http://aauinfo.blogspot.com/2012/06/meanstreets-2012.html (http://aauinfo.blogspot.com/2012/06/meanstreets-2012.html)
Foster had numerous D-1 Major offers, including Minnesota, Purdue, Illinois, Wisconsin, Nebraska and Northwestern of the Big 10. We're short on bigs and he would undoubtedly get a lot of playing time from the get-go. Sounds like a match made in heaven. If he were to join this incoming class, the "struggling early" and other negative projections would have to be reassessed.
Foster has an official visit with Texas Tech today, and he is also said to be considering Drake and possibly Rhode Island.
does that mean no Valpo? or no Valpo yet? or is valpo interest implied?
Lord help me I'm becoming one of those recruiting nuts I always used to make fun of.
Quote from: wh on April 02, 2013, 10:43:22 AMSandi Marcius saga still playing itself out
There hasn't been any news on this front, and even if I did hold out some hope that he might come back north and trade black for brown, based on this he wouldn't be looking to share time with Capo, but check this out:
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130423/SPORTS0602/304230096/Morgan-Burke-Sandi-Marcius-has-not-burned-Purdue-bridges?odyssey=obinsite (http://www.indystar.com/article/20130423/SPORTS0602/304230096/Morgan-Burke-Sandi-Marcius-has-not-burned-Purdue-bridges?odyssey=obinsite)
For the TL/DR crowd, basically, Purdue's AD has flat-out told the press that if Marcius transfers, he has to pay for his summer school (which he needs to graduate and avail himself of the grad year exception) himself. This is about $7K. If he comes back, all is forgiven! School is free again!! Plus you get to cuddle with AJ Hammons in the low post for another year!!!
Wow.
Things we have learned from this:
1) Never, ever, trust a dude named "Morgan".
2) Huge universities can indeed act like a jilted frat girl even when dumped by a single one of their 40K+ students.
3) One would have thought that in "leaving Croatia behind" you'd also have left behind "getting suspended by your thumbs by the authorities". Welp.
4) Matt Painter has been listening to the Eagles' "Hotel California" on repeat play on his iPod ('you can check out any time you like...')
5) If your coach looks like a used-car salesman, he will probably act like one too.
6) Don't go to Purdue. Just don't.
(http://dubsism.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/sword-of-damocles.jpg)
(http://www.easymemes.com/uploads/memes/91296_ESZN6EsUeAp9tK5.jpg)
for the reference:
Snatch. Don't go to england (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6NCXmVP6KQ#)
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 30, 2013, 03:05:51 PM
For the TL/DR crowd, basically, Purdue's AD has flat-out told the press that if Marcius transfers, he has to pay for his summer school (which he needs to graduate and avail himself of the grad year exception) himself. This is about $7K. If he comes back, all is forgiven! School is free again!! Plus you get to cuddle with AJ Hammons in the low post for another year!!!
Wow.
I have no idea why you're so outraged over this (although I might understand better if I knew what the "TL/DR crowd" was). Purdue has given Marcius 4 full years of room, board and tuition (one year when he didn't play and three years where he contributed very little). They've also granted him a full and unconditional release to look at / attend another school, if that's what he wants to do ... and this is clearly something that he initiated. What they won't do is use their scholarship fund to pay for his summer school so he can play immediately at another school. Seems fair to me. (Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm sure at least a few Valpo fans would be upset if Valpo had used part of their budget to fund summer school for Brandon Wood so he could graduate after he announced he no longer wanted to play for your school and was going elsewhere.)
As someone who writes checks to Purdue University (the 3rd college education I'm paying for), I've got little pity for this stiff whining because he might have to take out a $7,000 student loan. Not bad for four years (plus summers) at Purdue, plus a free 5th year at whatever school he ends up at. I'd take that deal in a heartbeat.
And please don't anyone preach to me how much money these guys make for the university ... Purdue fans paid to watch games in spite of Sandi Marcius, not because of him.
Are you capable of thinking critically about schools to which you are attached? (You're hardly alone, if so. Just saying.)
It's one thing to take such a stance. It's quite another to take it public, and hang it over his head. It's low-class, and does nothing for Purdue's image.
Nothing good, anyway. Other athletes notice @#$ like this.
The crux, however, is that they're not even taking a stance (e.g. "Wood is no longer a scholarship student here so he must pay his freight"). They're issuing an ultimatum--a thinly-veiled threat: "come back or pay the price". It's the NCAA equivalent of "come back to me and I won't upload the pics you sent me to the Interwebz".
This is another reason why Purdue is the B1G joke. Well, you and IU.
Quote from: vufan75 on April 26, 2012, 12:05:31 PMI wonder what if anything is happening in the cases of Michael Orris, Alex Rossi, or Alex Dragicevich, potential recruits or college transfers who either Valpo expressed interest in or vice versa over the last several weeks?
This was a LONG time ago, but we had another crack at Orris again after KSU (if we wanted it, of course) but he chose a program best described as "DeKaying In DeKalb":
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/illinois/orris-commits-to-northern-illinois/article_ab3c35fd-57eb-5c83-8455-cb7e3a9b4ce0.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/illinois/orris-commits-to-northern-illinois/article_ab3c35fd-57eb-5c83-8455-cb7e3a9b4ce0.html)
Doesn't Depauw award BB scholarships?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 30, 2013, 05:06:43 PM
Quote from: vufan75 on April 26, 2012, 12:05:31 PMI wonder what if anything is happening in the cases of Michael Orris, Alex Rossi, or Alex Dragicevich, potential recruits or college transfers who either Valpo expressed interest in or vice versa over the last several weeks?
This was a LONG time ago, but we had another crack at Orris again after KSU (if we wanted it, of course) but he chose a program best described as "DeKaying In DeKalb":
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/illinois/orris-commits-to-northern-illinois/article_ab3c35fd-57eb-5c83-8455-cb7e3a9b4ce0.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/high-school/illinois/orris-commits-to-northern-illinois/article_ab3c35fd-57eb-5c83-8455-cb7e3a9b4ce0.html)
That is an understatement lol. They were absolutely pitiful to watch this last season
Quote from: IndyValpo on April 30, 2013, 07:10:13 PMQuote from: wh on Today at 06:36:18 PM
Doesn't Depauw award BB scholarships?
No
Being WH, there has to be some underlying point he's making here, but I'll be darned if I can figure it out.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 30, 2013, 07:12:37 PM
Quote from: IndyValpo on April 30, 2013, 07:10:13 PMQuote from: wh on Today at 06:36:18 PM
Doesn't Depauw award BB scholarships?
No
Being WH, there has to be some underlying point he's making here, but I'll be darned if I can figure it out.
I was wondering about Zville's claim about "writing checks." Apparently it is accurate, according to Indy Valpo's response.
A busy week of campus visits: Wake Forest transfer Chase Fischer visited campus. He was a 3-star 90 Scout-Grade shooting guard (ranked #48 by ESPN) out of high school.
CHASE FISCHER come on down.
(http://cdn0.sbnation.com/uploads/chorus_image/image/10533123/20121208_lbm_bb4_407.0_standard_352.0.jpg)
transferring: http://www.journalnow.com/sports/wfu/basketball/article_9250efb6-97d2-11e2-a4f2-0019bb30f31a.html (http://www.journalnow.com/sports/wfu/basketball/article_9250efb6-97d2-11e2-a4f2-0019bb30f31a.html)
Quote"I think he's been a great representative of our program over the last two years,'' Bzdelik said. "We appreciate his efforts and the way he has handled himself.
"And we wish him the very best.''
Fischer, one of the Deacons' three captains in 2012-13, played in all 31 games, starting three during the nonconference segment of the schedule. He averaged 14.7 minutes and 4.5 points, while shooting 40 percent from the floor, 42 percent from 3-point range and 60 percent from the free-throw line.
From Ripley, WV (i've KNOWN fellers like that!).
http://www.wakeforestsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/chase_fischer_737112.html (http://www.wakeforestsports.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/chase_fischer_737112.html)
QuoteTwo-year letterwinner who played in 62 career games with six starts for the Demon Deacons ... Voted by his teammates as a team captain for the 2012-13 season ... Provided an outside shooting threat off the bench ... Terrific 3-point shooter with deep range ... Possesses a high basketball IQ ... One of the top scorers in West Virginia high school basketball history ... Became the ninth all-time Parade All-American to suit up for Wake Forest ... Joined Chris Paul (2003) and Al-Farouq Aminu (2008) as Deacons who were first team honorees by Parade
um...that last bit is some pretty good comp'ny.
stats: http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/56123/chase-fischer (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/56123/chase-fischer)
notable: the high point of his season (ironically) was vs. High Point (15 pts in 24 min on 5-8 downtown); scored double figures four times in the non-con but only once--and 10 at that--in conf. play. Freshman year hit double digits NINE times (3 in conf).
Here is why he is transferring:Freshman year: 26.1 mpg.
Sophomore: 14.2 mpg.
(At that rate, he'd be playing -10 mpg his senior year, which is too hard unless you're really good at advanced mathematical concepts, hence the transfer.)
Not a great shooter...a "volume shooter" I guess they call them these days:
FR: 35% / 32% / 82.1%
SO: 39.5% / 42.2% / 60%
Career: 36.8% / 36.1% / 75.9%Pros: would excel in the HL, if Bryce teaches him to shoot. Like a white Rotnei Cl...oh wait.
Cons: could make Capo seem like Rowdy behind the arc.
Quote from: wh on April 30, 2013, 07:33:00 PMI was wondering about Zville's claim about "writing checks." Apparently it is accurate, according to Indy Valpo's response.
Initially I surmised that it had to do with setshot, like all D3 references.
Then I thought it to be a shot at DePaul, as in "depauw gives scholarships, imagine how much better depaul could be if they just followed suit"
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on April 30, 2013, 05:00:42 PM
Are you capable of thinking critically about schools to which you are attached? (You're hardly alone, if so. Just saying.)
It's one thing to take such a stance. It's quite another to take it public, and hang it over his head. It's low-class, and does nothing for Purdue's image.
Nothing good, anyway. Other athletes notice @#$ like this.
The crux, however, is that they're not even taking a stance (e.g. "Wood is no longer a scholarship student here so he must pay his freight"). They're issuing an ultimatum--a thinly-veiled threat: "come back or pay the price". It's the NCAA equivalent of "come back to me and I won't upload the pics you sent me to the Interwebz".
This is another reason why Purdue is the B1G joke. Well, you and IU.
I don't really have any "attachment" to Purdue's athletic programs, so I thought I was thinking critically. But if I'm not capable, so be it. I hope my opinion would be the same no matter where this was taking place.
You are 100% correct that other coaches will try to use this against Purdue, just like when coaches oversign and have to yank scholarships from kids. Sadly, it has little impact because every kid believes that stuff like that will never happen to them.
On the Marcius issue, I just have a different point of view. I believe an athlete has to meet certain obligations in order to "earn" their scholarship. One of those obligations is actually participating on the team. If Marcius doesn't want to be on the team, then there is clearly no obligation for the school to continue paying for classes he enrolls in after leaving the team, IMO.
Quote from: zvillehaze on April 30, 2013, 09:50:08 PMIf Marcius doesn't want to be on the team, then there is clearly no obligation for the school to continue paying for classes he enrolls in after leaving the team, IMO.
Agreed. But you're missing the point--it's really, really, exceptionally bad form to hold it out like a carrot--in public!--and threaten him.
Especially when, at $7K, it's not a huge amount, as you say--but that only makes them seem even more petty.
And no rival coach needs to use this against Purdue--it uses itself.
Then again, I'm sure plenty of Wisconsin fans thought Bo Ryan was right to try to stick it to Jarrod Uthoff when he decided to transfer. And look how THAT blew up in his face. (Couldn't happen to a nicer ... well, there are a couple "nicer" in the B1G. not more than 2 though.)
Even though I'm certainly NOT arguing that they should pay it for him, if it gets just a little traction nationally, you and everyone up to My Man Mitch will wish they'd just spent the $7K in prevention, rather than pay for several pounds of cure.
This kid Fischer could be another Erik Buggs! (free throw shooting wise that is... :( )
Quote from: vu72 on May 01, 2013, 06:30:51 AM
This kid Fischer could be another Erik Buggs! (free throw shooting wise that is... :( )
He's a much better shooter than what Buggs was.
I would consider him similar to LaVonte Dority, shooting wise, at least, maybe a little bit better. He had a good free throw percentage, a decent 3 point and a mediocre to subpar shooting percentage in the mid 30s.
If we were to get Fischer, he'd have to sit out next season due to transfer rules, I would imagine.
Quote from: classof2014 on May 01, 2013, 12:05:13 PMI would consider him similar to LaVonte Dority
Funny you should say that ... I was about to do this
WHO IS WHO?
(2pt%/3pt%/FT%)
Player X: 38.5 / 36.1 / 75.9
Player Y: 38.6 / 32.6 / 84.7
Player X's 3s were 69.3% of shot selection; Player Y, 42.0%, btw.
Further: Reb/40 / Ast/40 / Stl/40 / Blk/40
Player X: 3.3 / 2.1 / 1.1 / 0.1
Player Y: 2.3 / 3.6 / 1.1 / 0.1
But: Fouls/40 / TO/40
Player X: 1.99 / 1.70
Player Y: 3.37 / 3.57
Shot selection gives it away (x=fischer, y=LVD), but interesting that for two players so statistically similar have such different games (X=shooter, Y=physical neo-PG).
Also interesting that LVD's first three years logged him just 8 more minutes of PT than Fischer's first year.
Although LVD logged nearly 100 more minutes this past season.
According to verbal commits, Jason Carter of Alabama will be transferring to Valparaiso. Carter is a 6' 8" 230 lb PF from Houston, I think he originally committed to Bama out of JUCO, then decided not to go. After reading stuff online, seems kinda sketchy. Verbal commits does say it's according to cbs sports. Not too sure about this after I read into a bit more. Might be a mistake.
Anybody else know anything about this?
EDIT: From what it sounds like, Carter originally committed to Bama but was dismissed from the team and played JUCO. This year he committed to Ole Miss, then decided to transfer out and went to Arkansas State. Now Valpo? Maybe this is true, maybe not.
All in all, Carter seems like a beast down low. ESPN gave him a 4 star rating out of high school, so he definitely has talent. Guess we'll see how this Jason Carter saga pans out in the future.
Quote from: classof2014 on May 02, 2013, 11:19:22 PM
According to verbal commits, Jason Carter of Alabama will be transferring to Valparaiso. Carter is a 6' 8" 230 lb PF from Houston, I think he originally committed to Bama out of JUCO, then decided not to go. After reading stuff online, seems kinda sketchy. Verbal commits does say it's according to cbs sports. Not too sure about this after I read into a bit more. Might be a mistake.
Anybody else know anything about this?
EDIT: From what it sounds like, Carter originally committed to Bama but was dismissed from the team and played JUCO. This year he committed to Ole Miss, then decided to transfer out and went to Arkansas State. Now Valpo? Maybe this is true, maybe not.
All in all, Carter seems like a beast down low. ESPN gave him a 4 star rating out of high school, so he definitely has talent. Guess we'll see how this Jason Carter saga pans out in the future.
Quote from: classof2014 on May 02, 2013, 11:19:22 PM
According to verbal commits, Jason Carter of Alabama will be transferring to Valparaiso. Carter is a 6' 8" 230 lb PF from Houston, I think he originally committed to Bama out of JUCO, then decided not to go. After reading stuff online, seems kinda sketchy. Verbal commits does say it's according to cbs sports. Not too sure about this after I read into a bit more. Might be a mistake.
Anybody else know anything about this?
EDIT: From what it sounds like, Carter originally committed to Bama but was dismissed from the team and played JUCO. This year he committed to Ole Miss, then decided to transfer out and went to Arkansas State. Now Valpo? Maybe this is true, maybe not.
All in all, Carter seems like a beast down low. ESPN gave him a 4 star rating out of high school, so he definitely has talent. Guess we'll see how this Jason Carter saga pans out in the future.
Whoever said they don't like dunking videos might change their mind about this one:
Jason Carter (JUCO DUNk Contest) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x5xTseut8oo#ws)
Holy crap, I will take him as a PF! I don't remember any Crusaders that have ever been able to do that. He seems to have some tendencies similar to past recruits that moved around a lot (Hamga), but hopefully he does come and commits to the program 100%. With all that moving, would he have to sit a year?
It's just an error. The guy on CBS has Jason Carter right above Keith Carter transferring to Arkansas state. Somebody screwed up and read down a line.
Unfortunately.
Something I just noticed with the recruits... they are all from Illinois or Indiana. Personally I think this is awesome.
Keith Carter* -- Maywood IL
Lexus Williams -- Chicago IL
Nick Davidson -- Merrillville IN
Clay Yeo -- Bourbo IN
Alec Peters -- Washington IL
Jubril Adekoya -- Tinley Park IL
Erick Locke -- Chicago IL
CJ Rivers -- Cahokia IL
Jevon Carter -- Maywood IL
Darreon Reddick -- Belleville IL
Nick Rogers -- Whitestown IN
Aaron Jordan -- Plainfield IL
Ryan Fazekas -- Michigan City IN
Matt Holba -- Chesterton IN
Total of 14 recruits, including this incoming class, 9 from Illinois and 5 from Indiana. I love what the coaching staff is doing. I think this is the beginning of the end for our identity being the international basketball school. Now we're making the short drives across Illinois and Indiana, two of the most talent rich states in the country.
Love hearing of towns that I know exactly where they are on the map and I've been to. The future is bright for the program, looking at the kids that they're going after. Not just great on the court... but seem great off the court as well. Bravo!
Though I do like the local recruiting, I do hope that we still have our eyes trained on any potential international recruits. International players have kept us going since Bryce, and we don't want to completely turn away from what has made us successful. Maybe 1-2 on our roster to keep our name out there among schools who are kind to non-US players.
Quote from: valpotx on May 07, 2013, 07:58:07 PM
Though I do like the local recruiting, I do hope that we still have our eyes trained on any potential international recruits. International players have kept us going since Bryce, and we don't want to completely turn away from what has made us successful. Maybe 1-2 on our roster to keep our name out there among schools who are kind to non-US players.
I'm not saying to completely do away with our international presence, like you said having 1 or 2 players a season is good for me.
Quote from: classof2014 on May 07, 2013, 07:45:20 PM9 from Illinois and 5 from Indiana
I was about to post something about this--well done.
Certainly you can stock SEVERAL good D1 teams just from our great state and our tax-friendly neighbors--which is why so many do. (Look at all the Hoosier staters on Michigan's roster for example.)
I see where you're coming from, Tx, but without wanting to sound nativist, we went international out of necessity. It's a sign of the changing times that doors once closed to us are opening.
I think it stands to reason that if we can be really good with local players, our upside/attendance/interest will be much higher than the same season with people from other hemispheres. I know you're not pushing affirmative action, but endowing one of the scholarships as the "Marko Punda Chair For International Kukoc Relations" just do have one isn't as good as finding Raitis Jr.
Quote from: classof2014 on May 07, 2013, 07:45:20 PMErick Locke -- Chicago IL
CJ Rivers -- Cahokia IL
Jevon Carter -- Maywood IL
Darreon Reddick -- Belleville IL
Nick Rogers -- Whitestown IN
Aaron Jordan -- Plainfield IL
Ryan Fazekas -- Michigan City IN
Matt Holba -- Chesterton IN
I've lost track of the most recent developments.
What's this collection of names? Guys we've extended offers to? Visits? Or just "players of interest" more generally?
I am told Valpo seems to have interest in another transfer: Auburn's freshman Brian Greene, Jr., a Chicago product and a former Rivals 3-star, ESPN 4-star player.
Quote from: valpopal on May 09, 2013, 07:50:01 PM
I am told Valpo seems to have interest in another transfer: Auburn's freshman Brian Greene, Jr., a Chicago product and a former Rivals 3-star, ESPN 4-star player.
Has Greene expressed interest in Valpo? Or has just Valpo expressed interest in Greene? Combo of both?
Quote from: classof2014 on May 09, 2013, 09:23:50 PMHas Greene expressed interest in Valpo? Or has just Valpo expressed interest in Greene? Combo of both?
Good. Point.
Always a great question. I expressed interest in a great number of girls while in high school. Didn't mean they were signing any letters of intent.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 09, 2013, 09:26:31 PM
Quote from: classof2014 on May 09, 2013, 09:23:50 PMHas Greene expressed interest in Valpo? Or has just Valpo expressed interest in Greene? Combo of both?
Good. Point.
Always a great question. I expressed interest in a great number of girls while in high school. Didn't mean they were signing any letters of intent.
The interest goes both ways. I believe he has talked to both Valpo and Bradley.
Quote from: valpopal on May 09, 2013, 09:56:12 PM
The interest goes both ways. I believe he has talked to both Valpo and Bradley.
Okay, makes me feel better about Greene then. And any 4 star recruit showing interest in Valpo gets my attention pretty quickly!
Short version because I'm behind.(http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/aub/sports/m-baskbl/auto_headshot/8274704.jpeg)
Brian Greene, Jr.6'3 205 PG (Chicago)
Attended IMG Academy...you know, that agent-run high school for superathletes in Florida.
It's kind of like a real-life X-Men. http://www.imgacademy.com/sports/boys-basketball/prep-school-program (http://www.imgacademy.com/sports/boys-basketball/prep-school-program)
He played a year there (averaged 15.5 ppg, 4 apg, and 5 rpg, shooting 46 / 40 / 80) after graduating from Thornton East.
Played: 28 of 32 games for Auburn, averaging 11.6 mpg, 3 ppg. Shot 37 / 42 / 54 in small sample size.
Best game of season: 14 pts in 28 minutes at SCar, 6-6 from the floor, including 2-2 from 3.
Team's: next-to-last win of the season (only won 3 conf games and 9-23 overall; lost last 10 in a row and 16 of 17)
(http://bloximages.newyork1.vip.townnews.com/oanow.com/content/tncms/assets/v3/editorial/7/a1/7a1ac2f4-5552-11e2-9390-001a4bcf6878/50e4f58e4b93d.preview-300.jpg)
SEC Basketball: They're Not Elliptically Shaped Any More!(Yeah, they beat South Carolina. So did Milwaukee. Well, almost.)
Common opponents, just for the record: beat IPFW 61-50, lost at home to Murray St, 79-59.Wouldn't you want to play for a team that could not suck? Also Auburn wanted him to
take a pay cut leave to make room for a Rutgers PG transfer. (I'm reminded of something someone said that Erick Locke's dad retweeted, something to the effect of "if more coaches just kept a scholarship in their back pocket instead of reaching just to have someone, we'd have a lot fewer transfers every spring")
Article on the transfer:
QuoteGreene, who faced inconsistent playing time throughout the year, seemed to get better as the season progressed, averaging 4.1 points per game in sixteen conference games after averaging just 1.2 in non-conference play.
http://www.al.com/auburnbasketball/index.ssf/2013/05/auburn_guard_brian_greene_jr_t.html (http://www.al.com/auburnbasketball/index.ssf/2013/05/auburn_guard_brian_greene_jr_t.html)
Bonus quote:
Quote"the third Tiger in Tony Barbee's 2012 class to leave the program in what has become Auburn's annual shuffle of personnel."
LOL.
Previously Auburn Class of 2012 described as
Quote"I think it has the potential to be a foundation class building up to a tournament team," Rivals.com national basketball recruiting analyst Jerry Meyer said.
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1342050 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1342050)
But then
QuoteAuburn men's basketball coach Tony Barbee has seen nine of his 14 recruits leave the program.
http://auburnauthority.com/2013/05/01/brian-greene-jr-to-transfer-as-rutgers-transfer-jerome-seagears-commits/ (http://auburnauthority.com/2013/05/01/brian-greene-jr-to-transfer-as-rutgers-transfer-jerome-seagears-commits/)
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Where else might he look:
QuoteHas two older sisters, Quintella and Delisa, who played basketball at Robert Morris ... chose Auburn over Ole Miss, USF, Iowa, Virginia Tech and Mississippi State.
http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/greenejr_brian00.html (http://www.auburntigers.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/greenejr_brian00.html)
Also Bradley, per the above. ESPN said he also looked at St Bonaventure and Rhode Island; Rivals adds Nebraska and South Florida.
Perhaps he wants to come Closer To Home. In which case, young man, I took the liberty of google-mapping and VU is 42.5 miles. Bradley is 157 miles.
MATH'd
(http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/114/1142999.jpg)
Spent a year at IMG because he didn't want to play at places like, well, kinda like Valpo:
QuoteGreene, Jr., originally from Chicago, Ill., took the chance in attending IMG after high school and turning down offers from smaller schools.
"I'm excited for it. It's long been a dream to play college basketball at the highest level."
http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1353614 (http://basketballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1353614)
Bonus Unintentionally Ironic Media Guide Quote About a Future Transfer:
Quotehas an unbelievable work ethic ... stays in the gym and is a gym rat
Highlights: PROTIP: watch with audio muted
Brian Greene Jr Mixtape (Auburn Bound Guard) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=va2jzxT4b5E#)
Wow. Tall (for PG), fast, amazingly easy leaper. Like it's nothing at all.
3-star to Rivals; initially signed with Auburn as did his cousin (offensive lineman Jordan Diamond, who should have signed with Michigan. eh. your loss kid).
4-star with rank of 92 to The Worldwide Leader: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/154127/brian-greene (http://espn.go.com/college-sports/basketball/recruiting/player/_/id/154127/brian-greene)
Outlook and upshotWould become eligible in 2014-15 and have 3 years left! So might Keith Carter at the same juncture, but more likely 2. Would be interesting to see how that affects the decision. Not a pure point guard, though, so could factor in in a 3-guard rotation. Would become eligible after LVD and Coleman graduate...so...
Would be 22 before he played a minute for anyone, and have 3 years (!) left. #oldestteaminamericaPartDeux
This kid could easily be the x-factor for the future generation. Obviously there was something wrong with Auburn if everyone and the kitchen sink has chosen to leave. Perhaps he now might look small and might miss home. Valpo is the best team in the Chicago area, so that could be a fit. Hopefully he sees the potential he has at a program like Valpo, and under one of the best young coaches in basketball today.
Just as a side note, I think it does PGs more good than harm to have them sit out a season. Gives them a chance to watch and understand both the offense and the defense. That's why I think EB was so effective, I think sitting out the second half of last year will prove vital in the abilities of Keith Carter. As well as for Brian Greene Jr no matter where he goes.
If Valpo could land Greene, which they have a chance based upon the list of schools he's looking at. He would probably be the highest rated recruit EVER to where the brown and gold!
Quote from: valpopal on May 09, 2013, 09:56:12 PM
I believe he has talked to both Valpo and Bradley.
You can add Northwestern as well. So far, he seems to be focusing on the Chicago area.
Might want to hold off on naming this guy to any All-America team just yet...3 ppg for a 9-23 club doesn't seem, at first glance, to be that impressive. To quote Brad Pitt in Moneyball: "If he's such a good hitter, why doesn't he hit good?"
Paul
Quote from: 78crusader on May 10, 2013, 07:34:48 AM
Might want to hold off on naming this guy to any All-America team just yet...3 ppg for a 9-23 club doesn't seem, at first glance, to be that impressive. To quote Brad Pitt in Moneyball: "If he's such a good hitter, why doesn't he hit good?"
Paul
Don't forget he was only a freshman on a terrible team. If you don't like your coach it's hard to be enthusiastic about playing, and when it's hard to be enthusiastic it's hard to give it your all, and when the rest of the team feels this way equals a 9-23 record.
Sometimes a change a scenery is all that is needed. Happy players are enthusiastic and naturally put everything into their game. While unhappy players naturally don't give it their all and are much less enthusiastic when showing up to practice and games.
Am I saying he's gonna be an all-American? No. I do think he's much better than what his freshman year stats have shown.
Per game stats on transfers are very very rarely going to be very good. Maybe grad year transfers, but the reason kids transfer is that they're not happy where they are. Why are they not happy? They aren't playing as much as they think they should. When they're not playing as much as they think they should, then there numbers aren't where Paul thinks they should be.
QED.
In other news, his twitter:
https://twitter.com/flight_bg
Apparently watched the Golden State-San Antonio game in Valpo, according to a tweet, but check this one out:
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p>
Bryce Drew and Roger Powell Jr are some good dudes</p>—
Brian Greene Jr (@flight_bg) <a href="https://twitter.com/flight_bg/status/332279042285924352">
May 8, 2013</a>
<script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>
ok, 04, so you can't embed tweets here yet :) I'll put the useful parts in bold.
If it'll make you feel better, Paul:
Points per 40 minutes played, 2012-13
LaVonte Dority 16.2
Matt Kenney 13.2
Ben Boggs 12.5
Jordan Coleman 11.8
Brian Greene Jr 10.1
Erik Buggs 9.9
Will Bogan 9.6
BOOM goes the dynamite
Yes, Greene visited Valpo on Wednesday after his visits to Northwestern and Bradley. Which of those three would you rather play for?
So, likely a better scorer than two of our starters last year.
Also comparing him to the backcourt (throwing Boggs in) in terms of
Rebounds per 40 minutes played, 2012-13
Jordan Coleman 6.76
Ben Boggs 5.07
Matt Kenney 4.95
Erik Buggs 3.63
Brian Green Jr. 2.59
LaVonte Dority 2.25
Will Bogan 1.64
Assists per 40 minutes played, 2012-13
Erik Buggs 5.22
Matt Kenney 4.76
Brian Green Jr. 3.70
LaVonte Dority 3.53
Will Bogan 2.08
Ben Boggs 1.15
Jordan Coleman 1.02
now for the PIECE OF RESISTANCE
Steals per 40 minutes played, 2012-13
Brian Green Jr. 2.35
Erik Buggs 2.30
Jordan Coleman 1.67
Will Bogan 1.41
LaVonte Dority 1.35
Ben Boggs 1.15
Matt Kenney 0.91
Quote from: valpopal on May 10, 2013, 08:27:21 AMWhich of those three would you rather play for?
Well I'd play for Valpo. But if I were unbiased I'd play for Northwestern because you get an earlier vacation every year.
Sounds like Greene enjoyed his visit to Valpo :)
Based what LaPorte has posted, as a freshman he was more efficient than many of our seniors and some of our juniors. Hopefully he'll choose Valpo and excel under some good dudes.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 10, 2013, 08:34:30 AM
Quote from: valpopal on May 10, 2013, 08:27:21 AMWhich of those three would you rather play for?
Well I'd play for Valpo. But if I were unbiased I'd play for Northwestern because you get an earlier vacation every year.
Two week spring break??
But it's in February so that might be a wash.
Quote from: valpopal on May 10, 2013, 08:27:21 AM
Yes, Greene visited Valpo on Wednesday after his visits to Northwestern and Bradley. Which of those three would you rather play for?
Greene apparently visited Hofstra today, not sure why: dead last in the Colonial League, rated #301 this past season, and nowhere near Chicago.
Re: "Greene apparently visited Hofstra today, not sure why..."
On the day of Greene's visit, Hofstra announced Friday signing of three new players, including two transfers (one named Green, but not our Greene). Interesting story about the program's situation:
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/10/hofstra-announces-addition-of-niagara-transfers-juanya-green-ameen-tanksley/ (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/10/hofstra-announces-addition-of-niagara-transfers-juanya-green-ameen-tanksley/)
"The Hofstra basketball program was in a bad place this past season, with four players being dismissed from the program following their arrests on charges of burglary and other players running into disciplinary issues as well. And that's not even mentioning their on-court struggles, as the Pride managed to win just seven games. That led to the hiring of former Niagara head coach Joe Mihalich, and it's safe to say that the move has already paid dividends...."
Quote from: valpopal on May 11, 2013, 10:31:27 AMThat led to the hiring of former Niagara head coach Joe Mihalich, and it's safe to say that the move has already paid dividends
Wow...now even more reason to hope Bryce never leaves--he could take our players with him! :/
After visits to BYU and Valpo, transfer Chase Fischer chooses BYU.
I was tempted to say "a Mormon with just one 'm'", but I decided to refrain. :)
According to an article I read the asst at WF that recruited him is now at BYU and convinced him to go there. He also mentioned that one of the reasons for his diminished playing time this past season was a strategy change by the coaching staff to go with more athletic guards. That seems to be exactly what Bryce and Roger are recruiting almost exclusively (and what has been lacking in the past) are guards with speed that can create their own shot and also have range. The last thing this kid would want to do find himself in a similar situation at Valpo. Probably made a wise choice.
Quote from: wh on May 11, 2013, 05:41:14 PM
According to an article I read the asst at WF that recruited him is now at BYU and convinced him to go there. He also mentioned that one of the reasons for his diminished playing time this past season was a strategy change by the coaching staff to go with more athletic guards. That seems to be exactly what Bryce and Roger are recruiting almost exclusively (and what has been lacking in the past) are guards with speed that can create their own shot and also have range. The last thing this kid would want to do find himself in a similar situation at Valpo. Probably made a wise choice.
I agree. I think Valpo is starting to look for speed and athleticism. If it was one thing this past team needed was a flat out athlete. No offense to Matt Kenney but he wasn't the athletic type to beat big named teams. Don't get me wrong Kenney was very good but wasn't quite the athlete. To win against big teams you need guys who are athletic and that's what they're going after. They used to go after the kids who can shoot. Now it's the athletes that can shoot. To win in this league you need to score and when shooters are off, which from time to time happends, you need another way to score. I think in many of their losses this past season, they needed the athletic ability to make up for a poor shooting output.
With guys like: Adekoya, Carter, Davidson, Peters, Williams, and Yeo. They went for athleticism instead of the shooter. And with names on the board like Brian Greene, Aaron Jordan, Nick Rogers, Tai Odiase, they're looking for kids who can are more athletic than the other team.
Two years ago, Fischer would've been a good fit for this team this year. I think that's why Coleman didn't see much time this year. The team identity was shooting not dunking. I think this year we'll see a new Valpo team that many of us has never seen before.
Get your popcorn ready boys and girls cuz they gonna be puttin' on a show!
I have to respectfully disagree in your assessment of Kenney. He was one hell of an athlete, but he lacked the decision-making skills to beat big name programs. It wasn't his athleticism that was getting him into trouble, it was his jumping before he knew what he was doing, and dribbling straight into people at times. He was one of the best overall athletes we have had in a long time....
Quote from: valpotx on May 11, 2013, 09:13:53 PM
I have to respectfully disagree in your assessment of Kenney. He was one hell of an athlete, but he lacked the decision-making skills to beat big name programs. It wasn't his athleticism that was getting him into trouble, it was his jumping before he knew what he was doing, and dribbling straight into people at times. He was one of the best overall athletes we have had in a long time....
Yes, he was an athlete and one great athlete. But he wasn't the athlete that was the difference maker in the game. That's more or less what I was referring to, not that he wasn't an athlete because he certainly was.
Nothing against Matt Kenney but he wasn't the athlete they needed as an X-Factor in being able to beet the MSU, NM, and SLUs.
Bradley got a 2013 commit today from Xzavier Taylor. Folks on their fan message board seem to believe that was the last scholarship available for the upcoming year, which would count out Greene for Bradley.
Quote from: valpopal on May 12, 2013, 06:17:53 PMXzavier Taylor
looks like a high point scorer--if they just signed him for their Scrabble team
So he's down to the choice...
Does he want to win?
Or go to a school with a history of never winning?
Tough choice IMO...
Wonder if we might hear any recruiting news today? Isn't today the end of the current NLI signing period? I think the dates are 4/17 thru 5/15. But I think I've read on the board that in any upcoming season that players can still receive a scholly without signing an NLI anyway? And it seems there are still players at least as of yesterday still declaring they are transferring from their current school. Any ideas or speculation as to whether Bryce will use his last scholly now or perhaps "save" it to use in the following season? With all the recent campus visits, including some from transfers, seems that Bryce would like to use that scholarship now and add a player to the mix.
Quote from: vufan75 on May 15, 2013, 09:08:43 AM
Wonder if we might hear any recruiting news today? Isn't today the end of the current NLI signing period? I think the dates are 4/17 thru 5/15. But I think I've read on the board that in any upcoming season that players can still receive a scholly without signing an NLI anyway? And it seems there are still players at least as of yesterday still declaring they are transferring from their current school. Any ideas or speculation as to whether Bryce will use his last scholly now or perhaps "save" it to use in the following season? With all the recent campus visits, including some from transfers, seems that Bryce would like to use that scholarship now and add a player to the mix.
Being the "master of the obvious" I will say that Bryce would use it only if the right kid came along. He has a very solid group on the team now but, if an exceptional kid came along--someone with experience--not another freshman, he would jump at the chance.
Jared Drew from Indy Cathedral is leaving SLU. Some think he was forced out by Gym Cruise.
2013 updated transfer list according to cbssports.com and their college basketball insider Jeff Goodman. It was updated today.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/22007798/transfer-list-first-edition (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/22007798/transfer-list-first-edition)
Quite a long list of players looking to make a move to a new school and transfer again this year. But unless it is a graduating student, a transfer would not help us next season with having to sit out a year. But they certainly could help the team and push players hard in practice and also acclimate to a new system and coaches (ala David Chadwick, Keith Carter, Alex Rossi, Bobby C., Lavonte Dority, etc).
I think an earlier post that was briefly discussed re: Bradley being out of scholarships is correct. So that would be one less school vying for Brian Greene, the Auburn transfer from Chicago.
I'm not sure how it works, but today is the NLI deadline. The question is, how does that affect it?
I looked back--March 20 we announced LVD and Coleman, and May 2 was Rossi. So at this point last year all was set.
Hoping for news today--but as some here infer, no news can be good news too :)
Does the NLI deadline have anything at all to do with transfers?
Quote from: vufan75 on May 15, 2013, 10:44:53 AM
2013 updated transfer list according to cbssports.com and their college basketball insider Jeff Goodman. It was updated today.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/22007798/transfer-list-first-edition (http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/22007798/transfer-list-first-edition)
Quite a long list of players looking to make a move to a new school and transfer again this year. But unless it is a graduating student, a transfer would not help us next season with having to sit out a year. But they certainly could help the team and push players hard in practice and also acclimate to a new system and coaches (ala David Chadwick, Keith Carter, Alex Rossi, Bobby C., Lavonte Dority, etc).
I think an earlier post that was briefly discussed re: Bradley being out of scholarships is correct. So that would be one less school vying for Brian Greene, the Auburn transfer from Chicago.
I have not heard anything about Jacob Lawson from Purdue. A 6'8" PF with two years remaining. A year to bulk up and Bobby C graduating, he could fit in nicely.
Does anybody know if any other transfers, besides Greene, that are still on the market that have shown interest in Valpo or Valpo shown interest in?
Quote from: historyman on May 15, 2013, 11:03:01 AM
Does the NLI deadline have anything at all to do with transfers?
Today's deadline doesn't have anything to do with transfers, and I believe it applies only to 2013 high school commitments. I have to believe Bryce is not looking to add another high school recruit, but is working on getting a transfer for the last available scholarship spot (assuming Rossi is healthy and returning).
In the past transfers and overseas recruits have arrived on campus in time to enroll for at least one summer session of classes. Therefore, the dates to keep in mind are May 21 and July 1, which are the opening days of the two summer sessions.
ok. well, 6 more days is 6 more days.
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130515/SPORTS/305150036/Former-Cathedral-standout-Jared-Drew-looks-new-school-after-parting-ways-St-Louis (http://www.indystar.com/article/20130515/SPORTS/305150036/Former-Cathedral-standout-Jared-Drew-looks-new-school-after-parting-ways-St-Louis)
Per this Indy Star story Jared Drew is going to ask the NCAA for an exemption on sitting out another year (2 in a row) after being blindsided by Jim Crews and the SLU athletic dept when his scholarship was not renewed. I wonder what that will do for SLU recruiting in the future.
I have not seen the term JUCO used in a while. I would like to think that Bryce has not given up on that front to give immediate help.
Quote from: bbtds on May 15, 2013, 03:11:18 PM
http://www.indystar.com/article/20130515/SPORTS/305150036/Former-Cathedral-standout-Jared-Drew-looks-new-school-after-parting-ways-St-Louis (http://www.indystar.com/article/20130515/SPORTS/305150036/Former-Cathedral-standout-Jared-Drew-looks-new-school-after-parting-ways-St-Louis)
Per this Indy Star story Jared Drew is going to ask the NCAA for an exemption on sitting out another year (2 in a row) after being blindsided by Jim Crews and the SLU athletic dept when his scholarship was not renewed. I wonder what that will do for SLU recruiting in the future.
An article from a St. Louie newspaper confirming what bbtds mentions, that SLU did not renew Drew's scholarship. Nice job SLU of creating negative publicity for your program. I know scholarships are year to year, but I hope not many schools pull the rug from under players like this. And this young man was just completing his freshman year. I'm assuming he was redshirted as he did not play at all? Would be a little ironic if by some chance he landed at Valpo, as Keith Carter also transferred from SLU. We would then have both SLU recruits from last year.
http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/slu/jared-drew-transfers-from-slu/article_681e6336-6d38-5152-a2fa-c6d8ef37d132.html (http://www.stltoday.com/sports/college/slu/jared-drew-transfers-from-slu/article_681e6336-6d38-5152-a2fa-c6d8ef37d132.html)
A reaction from the SLU message board:
http://www.billikens.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=24344&page=2 (http://www.billikens.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=24344&page=2)
Look at the third response on page 2.
If Drew (perfect name for a Valpo student/athlete) wants retribution against SLU then beating them at Valpo is a great motivator. Show them what they gave up on. We'd have 1 or 2 highly motivated (depending on whether the game is scheduled before or after Carter's eligibility period starts) players in that game if Jared Drew came to Valpo, only a 2.5 hour drive from north Indy.
http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2012-13/12745/crusaders-announce-addition-of-gueye-for-2013-2014-season/ (http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2012-13/12745/crusaders-announce-addition-of-gueye-for-2013-2014-season/)
Wow! I don't know exactly what to say. Remember, he WAS a five star recruit and on paper was clearly the highest rated recruit ever for Valpo. He has clearly also fizzled as a player but he is now experienced at a high major level and might just be a major force at the Horizon League level. He, together with our existing or new guys will solve any rebounding issue we may have had.
Can you imagine Bobby, Moussa and Vashil on the court at once? Should be fun...
Am I imagining things if I express a high level of deja vu over this name? Wasn't there a recruit by that name more than a couple of years ago who was earmarked to Valpo, perhaps derailed by the NCAA Clearinghouse and ended up going elsewhere?
Quote from: StlVUFan on May 15, 2013, 08:41:46 PM
Am I imagining things if I express a high level of deja vu over this name? Wasn't there a recruit by that name more than a couple of years ago who was earmarked to Valpo, perhaps derailed by the NCAA Clearinghouse and ended up going elsewhere?
Same guy. Signed with Valpo and then literally left because the weather was too cold. I talked to Bryce at the time and he said that if Homer and Bryce were coaching in a warmer climate he would have stayed. Apparently this last "mild" winter convinced him to re-think the decision!!
Quote from: zvillehaze on May 15, 2013, 08:26:49 PM
http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2012-13/12745/crusaders-announce-addition-of-gueye-for-2013-2014-season/ (http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2012-13/12745/crusaders-announce-addition-of-gueye-for-2013-2014-season/)
I had heard rumors of this, but I dismissed them. He wasn't very productive at Alabama, and I didn't think we'd want to take a chance with him again. However, the coaches must have faith that he has matured and they can improve his game over the summer, since he is eligible to play this fall. Let's hope he is a late bloomer.
Quote from: vu72 on May 15, 2013, 08:51:16 PM
Quote from: StlVUFan on May 15, 2013, 08:41:46 PM
Am I imagining things if I express a high level of deja vu over this name? Wasn't there a recruit by that name more than a couple of years ago who was earmarked to Valpo, perhaps derailed by the NCAA Clearinghouse and ended up going elsewhere?
Same guy. Signed with Valpo and then literally left because the weather was too cold. I talked to Bryce at the time and he said that if Homer and Bryce were coaching in a warmer climate he would have stayed. Apparently this last "mild" winter convinced him to re-think the decision!!
I think you might be confusing Moussa with Beas Hamga. Beas was here for a semester and left without playing - I don't believe Moussa ever signed here before. IIRC, he verbally committed while in junior college and then de-committed.
Welcome Moose!
Moussa Gueye's Journey To Alabama (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr4fEd1KoAY#ws)
It is nice to have the height, but I have watched a few Alabama games and his offense is not good at all. Seems like when they dished him the ball it was an automatic turnover.
I see potential in Vashil and hope his PT doesn't go down now.
He could be quite the force in the HL. Being a 7 footer. He's probably 2nd off the bench behind Capo. Should be more productive than Vucic was and gives us more depth because I don't know what to think about Vashil yet and Adekoya will only be a freshman. Valpo will be one of the biggest teams in the league next year. Should be fun to watch.
Might be used more for defense than offense but just being 7 foot in the HL and possibly the new change of scenery might be what he needs.
vusupporter: "I don't believe Moussa ever signed here before. IIRC, he verbally committed while in junior college and then de-committed."
Interesting coincidence: a few days ago Detroit received a big commitment from a great high-scoring JUCO player, Shaquielle McKissic. However, tonight he has tweeted that he had taken back his commitment and was opening his recruiting up again. He says he might renew his commitment with Detroit, but the latest note on his twitter feed reports that he hasn't the slightest clue where he will be going next year.
That is awesome. I saw his name on the transfer list posted earlier, and thought about how funny it would be for him to use his last year of eligibility at Valpo, given that he decommitted years ago. I will take a 7'0" player who played in the SEC, starting 27 games on ANY DAY. Even though he probably won't be an offensive presence, we can get that from other sources. Can you imagine the fear that Brown will have in going against a good defender that matches his height? I think that we are in GREAT position for another solid year!!
A lot of people on here have been asking for Valpo to go with a big lineup the last two seasons. It will now likely happen. You could see Moussa and Vashil eating up most of the minutes at the 5, with Bobby playing mostly the 4. Peters will play a lot of minutes at the 3. Jabril will see minutes up front as well. This will likely mean more zone defense, but offensively Bryce will find ways to exploit our size advantages.
Leave it to the NCAA to find a way for a JC to commit to 2 schools and fulfill his commitment to both schools. ;)
Doesn't the moosehead guy from UA remind you of some of the guys in the movie Deliverance?
"Now bend over and grunt real loud like-a moose."
"Moose---yeah, we can woork wid dat."
Perfect use of that last scholarship. A big guy who Valpo only has to commit to for 1 year :thumbsup:
I woke up this morning and saw the posts about Moussa and prayed they were from a couple years ago and not some Freddy Krueger-style resurrection of a bad recruit.
Remember the scene in Moneyball when Billy Beane decides to trade Carlos Pena and his young assistant says "Billy, you know this is the kind of trade that gets you fired." This dialogue could be slightly changed to "Bryce, you know this is the kind of signing that gets you INDICTED."
Seriously, this is a TERRIBLE signing, plain and simple. It is a throwback to the bad old days of a few years ago when Homer decided to mortgage not only his good name, but the good name of VU basketball, and sign every 7 foot bandit recruit he could find. NONE of whom, it should be noted, panned out. It says to me three things: first, Bryce woke up and realize that outside of Capo he has no one to rebound; second, that Vashill or whatever his name is cannot play; and third, this is a desperation move if ever there was one.
I know, people will be quick to jump on the excuse bandwagon and try to come up a litany of reasons why this guy only averaged ONE POINT FOUR points per game. "The coaches didn't play him enough." "He didn't have time to learn the system." "He just needs more playing time." "He will dominate in the lesser-talented Horizon League" (as if the post players in our league consisted of a bunch of 5'11" guys who starred on their high school debate team). Please. The real reason is: he cannot play. The headline will say we signed a 7-foot player. The real story is: another guy who can't catch the basketball and who is on the Welcome Wagon to Turnover City.
Paul
Quote from: 78crusader on May 16, 2013, 07:52:53 AMThe real reason is: he cannot play.
Yeah, right. So how did he manage to play for a major-conference team with an RPI almost identical to ours?
Not just play, but start three-quarters of their games?
Oh, by the way, Bryce, thanks for mortgaging our entire future by taking a one-year flyer on this guy.
Judging a shot-blocker by his points-per-game is like judging a Ph.D candidate on how she looks in swimwear: it's not going to be pretty, but then again that wasn't the point.
Well, 78 seems to like stirring the pot! As for "when Homer decided to mortgage not only his good name, but the good name of VU basketball, and sign every 7 foot bandit recruit he could find. NONE of whom, it should be noted, panned out. " Really? The last time we had two seven footers on the same team was (drum roll please)...1998. I think they "panned out pretty well. Oh yeah, how about a guy named Raitis Grafs? Not a badplayer huh? Even Mohammed Kone played well for us and is among the top all time shot blockers.
Here is the top 10 single season shot blockers in our history:
Raitis Grafs 2000-01 67
2. Raitis Grafs 2001-02 66
3. Raitis Grafs 2002-03 57
Mohamed Kone 2005-06 57
5. Joaquim Gomes 2003-04 54
6. Zoran Viskovic 1998-99 51
7. Zoran Viskovic 1997-98 49
8. Morris Smith 1979-80 48
9. Morris Smith 1980-81 42
10. Ivan Vujic 1998-99 41
Seems like some of those seven footers worked out pretty well. Just sayin..(and please don't say that someone wasn't seven foot because they were 6'11")
His 52 blocks last year would put Gueye right at #6 for Valpo.
At Alabama, he averaged a block every 10.3 minutes. Playing 20.6 minutes for Valpo and playing every game would give him 68 blocks, which would be...let's see -- oh look! -- the top season ever at Valpo. 4-5 more would put him in the top 10 ever. In one season.
How dare they mortgage our future!!!1!
With others, I at first mixed up Gueye and Hamga, and also thought "Wait, why are you looking at links from years ago?" when my wife showed me the story on facebook.
Now, the real question, how do you pronounce his name? I'll be curious to see how he pronounces it, and what the media guide goes with, "Guy-ay"? "Gay-ay"? "Guy"? Something else?
When thinking of Hamga, my first thought was "How can you possibly give this guy another chance?". But, Gueye's case seemed easier to relate to. Do I remember well that the VU coaching staff was involved with "discovering" him in Africa, helping him find a place to land in the US, and sort of felt like they had in inside track on him? (Or now maybe I'm mixing him up with yet a third player?) When he re-opened his search process it was pretty easy for me to imagine, "Initially naive player realizes that the world's a bigger place, and his ceiling potentially higher, than he thought." And to wish him the best of luck.
So, maybe his ceiling's not _all_ that high. But, it seems like a very solid get for our last scholarship slot (or the last announced one at the moment, at least). A reasonable stab at a very big body to be a defensive presence, immediately eligible, and help tide us over while the freshmen mature.
Your honor, I would like to point out two things as part of my closing argument in support of the proposition that Mousse is a TERRIBLE SIGNING:
1. None of the players listed by VU72 played after 2006; our RECENT history with signings of this type is horrible, as in Let's-Take-Ryan-Leaf-as-our-First-Pick-in-the-NFL-Draft kind of horrible;
2. Beas Hamga.
I rest my case. :)
Paul
Quote from: 78crusader on May 16, 2013, 07:52:53 AMSeriously, this is a TERRIBLE signing, plain and simple. It is a throwback to the bad old days of a few years ago when Homer decided to mortgage not only his good name, but the good name of VU basketball, and sign every 7 foot bandit recruit he could find. NONE of whom, it should be noted, panned out.
Quote from: 78crusader on May 16, 2013, 09:18:15 AM2. Beas Hamga.
Holy overreaction, Batman! Even if you are correct, I do not see where this hurt us in any lasting sense. Last time I looked we were defending HL champs.
This guy is coming for one year so his impact good or bad is minimal. To add a 7-0 who may be able to contribute while our younger guys develop seems like a reasonable risk.
Quote from: 78crusader on May 16, 2013, 09:18:15 AMBeas Hamga.
All tall African men are not the same, so moot point.
How would you have spent that last scholarship, Paul? On the next Brandon Wood, no doubt.
I think this is a great signing. On a young team, chances are our defense will be lacking so getting a guy who is great on the defensive side is a huge plus. Even if he sucks offensively if he is able to get some offensive boards and give us second chances while reducing the opposing teams second chance points I think that's a huge plus.
Offense isn't the only reason you win games. Look at Detroit, great offense no defense and they didn't win it all. While Wright State had a great defense and that carried them into the championship game but didn't win it all. While Valpo had a good balance last year, and well the rest was history.
I think on a young team, defense is lacking and picking up a transfer who knows how to play defense and play it well is a huge plus. Chances are he'll averge 5-10 PPG playing in the HL and I would imagine his blocks numbers would skyrocket.
We only have him for one season so if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work out and we move on. Maybe we catch lightning in a bottle and in a new environment with new coaches maybe he blossoms into something special.
All in all I am very pleased with what Bryce and the boys did. I think he was the missing link for this team. He will have an immediate impact defensively on a very young team, where defense usually lacks.
We obviously did not sign him for his offensive prowess. There are several top teams that have a defensive stopper that plays 20+ mpg, and rarely scores. We have guys that should be able to score, and having a big dude down low will open up shots for them just by him being close to the basket. He will also be able to get putback points, as he has been able to rebound decently in the SEC. A great 1 year signing.
If he has any athleticism/hand eye coordination at all this was a great signing. It is a one year commitment, a guy who can help give Capo rest (I really hope he can go more then 4 minutes without needing a breather this year), a guy who can clog the middle at the both ends of the courts, and a guy Vashil can learn a few things from (like jumping with your arm already extended when trying to block a shot).
Love it. :thumbsup:
If he gets putback points, why did he only average 1.4 ppg? Do baskets in the SEC count for less than 2 points?
To quote Billy Beane one last time: If he's such a good hitter, why doesn't he hit good?
This guy will look good in the team photo and in airports, but that is it. The same things that folks are saying about this guy (good post player, blocks shots, rebounds, athletic, tall, wingspan, blah blah blah) were all said last year about another project -- Vashil. You know what happened there.
I'm not trying to be mean or argumentative. I simply think this is a bad signing and we are, or should be, a better program than to "take a flyer" on a basketball nomad like this.
Paul
Quote from: 78crusader on May 16, 2013, 10:25:25 AM
If he gets putback points, why did he only average 1.4 ppg? Do baskets in the SEC count for less than 2 points?To quote Billy Beane one last time: If he's such a good hitter, why doesn't he hit good?
This guy will look good in the team photo and in airports, but that is it. The same things that folks are saying about this guy (good post player, blocks shots, rebounds, athletic, tall, wingspan, blah blah blah) were all said last year about another project -- Vashil. You know what happened there.
I'm not trying to be mean or argumentative. I simply think this is a bad signing and we are, or should be, a better program than to "take a flyer" on a basketball nomad like this.
Paul
Let's see now... Bobby Capobianco averaged 1.68 ppg and 1.96 rpg at Indiana. Ben Boggs averaged 2.10 ppg and 1.20 rpg at Virginia Tech. Will Bogan averaged 2.3 ppg at Ole Miss. Shall I go on? Cory Johnson perhaps? How did these guys work out for us? Did you actually think we were going to get an All Big Ten 7' who averaged 20 ppg and 11 rpg but just wanted to transfer to Valpo for his final year?
Would you have rather the program just not use that last scholarship? Seems silly to play games without a full roster of scholarship players. Valpo had a need, and Gueye fills that need.
Quote from: 78crusader on May 16, 2013, 10:25:25 AMI simply think this is a bad signing and we are, or should be, a better program than to "take a flyer" on a basketball nomad like this.
You've made that abundantly clear.
Also too the fact that you've seen "Moneyball" a few too many times (also known as "greater than, or equal to, one time"). (Oh, and how many World Series have the A's been to under Billy Beane, by the way? I bet the movie makes it seem like a lot!)
And so I ask you again-since you didn't want the 4-star 92-rated recruit from the other SEC school either (which was the first time you used that same line)--WHO do you expect the coaching staff to sign? Transfers aren't transferring because they're starting, all-conference NBA-lock prospects.
No answer means you're just straight-up trolling.
Quote from: zvillehaze on May 15, 2013, 08:26:49 PM
http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2012-13/12745/crusaders-announce-addition-of-gueye-for-2013-2014-season/ (http://valpoathletics.com/mbasketball/news/2012-13/12745/crusaders-announce-addition-of-gueye-for-2013-2014-season/)
A profile video from the University of Alabama athletics webpage where Moussa Gueye talks about his goals for the past season....
http://www.crimsontidehoops.com/Alabama_Basketball/Roster/ (http://www.crimsontidehoops.com/Alabama_Basketball/Roster/)
Quote from: HC on May 16, 2013, 10:43:03 AM
Would you have rather the program just not use that last scholarship? Seems silly to play games without a full roster of scholarship players. Valpo had a need, and Gueye fills that need.
That's exactly right. I don't think you end up a regular starter at Alabama without at least some skills. The alternative is that Valpo doesn't use the scholarship next year, or takes a flyer on some other junior college transfer big man. Does anyone think that Valpo can get a player for 2013-14 that will be head and shoulders above someone like this? Seems unlikely to me. At absolute minimum, he would be a fine player to practice against for one year. At maximum, he could add defense, rebounding and hopefully some scoring at times. Lastly, it is for ONE year, so it seems like a low-risk kind of move to make.
Quote from: valpo95 on May 16, 2013, 10:53:13 AMQuote from: HC on May 16, 2013, 10:43:03 AMWould you have rather the program just not use that last scholarship? Seems silly to play games without a full roster of scholarship players. Valpo had a need, and Gueye fills that need.
That's exactly right. I don't think you end up a regular starter at Alabama without at least some skills. The alternative is that Valpo doesn't use the scholarship next year, or takes a flyer on some other junior college transfer big man. Does anyone think that Valpo can get a player for 2013-14 that will be head and shoulders above someone like this? Seems unlikely to me. At absolute minimum, he would be a fine player to practice against for one year. At maximum, he could add defense, rebounding and hopefully some scoring at times. Lastly, it is for ONE year, so it seems like a low-risk kind of move to make.
I have to agree. Even if Gueye just stands there and holds his hands up and moves towards the player with the ball during practices that is a huge advantage over not signing anyone. The guy wants to come to Valpo. By the way, I think he heard we have no tornadoes (or at least very few-worth the risk for one year) while Tuscaloosa had the worst tornadoes in it's history while he was there. Weather can go either way or anyway. You just never know.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 16, 2013, 10:43:33 AMNo answer means you're just straight-up trolling.
This is an old man question, but what does "straight up trolling" mean, exactly? And, yeah, I've seen Moneyball more than once. :)
Everyone here has raised good points. I hope this guy works out. Bryce obviously does. I just don't think he will, that's all.
Paul
Quote from: vufan75 on May 16, 2013, 10:52:55 AM
A profile video from the University of Alabama athletics webpage where Moussa Gueye talks about his goals for the past season....
http://www.crimsontidehoops.com/Alabama_Basketball/Roster/ (http://www.crimsontidehoops.com/Alabama_Basketball/Roster/)
Nice video! His pronunciation seems pretty close to "Gay", with maybe a little extra on the end.
His favorite superhero? His Mom! Fantastic!
Scoring down low in the SEC is much different than scoring down low in the HL. There are some bruisers, as expected, in the SEC. If Cory Johnson can score for us (1-2 ppg at Iowa State before Valpo), I can see Moussa getting some putback points. I am sure that during Moussa's 15 mpg, he was not even the 4th or 5th options in offensive schemes at 23 win Alabama. Just having people drive to the basket (Yeo, Peters, Adekoya, etc) will open up the lane for Moussa putbacks in the HL. If he gets us even 4-6 ppg, then this was a great signing due to the defense and size he brings. I can bet that he is much more athletic than Vashil, and has more current skills in regards to rebounding/blocked shots, just based on playing/starting for Alabama.
Since Moose was the starting center at Alabama, I am assuming Bryce assured him that he would get the shot at being the starting center here as well. Therefore, the interesting consequence and big question for me would be: How does this help Bobby?
We saw Bobby during spells at the 4 position last year, but most of the time he had to play the 5 as Kevin's back up. Will this free Bobby to be even more conscious of scoring? Will Bobby get more opportunities playing against a 4 rather than a 5? Will Bobby take a few more outside shots (hopefully not too many more 3-point shots)? Will Bobby's individual rebound stat go down, but the team rebounding go up with both him and Moose on the court at the same time?
Also, What does the predicted starting line up look like? If we were to go on experience alone, the line up (after Carter is eligible) would be Carter-Dority-Coleman-Capobianco-Gueye. However, we have some good freshmen who could work their way into the starting five, especially Peters at the 3. In addition, the freshmen have an experienced five to practice against and make them better.
As we have said in the past, the next season has moved from a typical rebuilding year to more of a restocking year. It is going to be an adventure and frustrating at times. There is a lot of scoring and leadership in that wonderful group of seniors to replace. However, we are now guaranteed the upcoming season will be a very entertaining one.
Quote from: 78crusader on May 16, 2013, 11:06:14 AM"straight up trolling"
Just unadulterated trolling, which is criticism without the constructive (i.e. offering a better alternative to have signed), not to contribute to the discourse but to rile everybody up.
Now that Saders is gone and Truth largely inactive, you might be the closest thing we have to one ;)
I think a guy like Gueye can elevate our team in so many ways. I look at the MSU game in the tourney as a prime-example of missing a somebody who can compete with the big-men in higher conferences. Perhaps if we had him for that game, he has the size and abilities to stop a guy like a Payne or Nix down low and in that game no matter what we did it was all for not. He will fill up the stat sheet just not with points, but I think he'll average 5-10 PPG this season. He'll be the biggest player in the HL and I'm Alec Brown will love facing another 7 footer with 30 pounds on him. He WILL be a difference maker on the defensive end. He didn't start 26? games for Bama for no reason. He can play, Bama was good and he started. He never quite filled up the PPG area but his rebounding and blocks were pretty good. He only aver 15 MPG or so, I think he'll be closer to 20 and in a mid-major league he will be pretty intimidating for the other big men throughout the league.
Like I said before, I think he may be the missing link to our team this season. He will sure up our defense, while being able to grab rebounds on the offensive side. Great one-year signing for Valpo. Wouldn't be shocked if he makes it on the All-Defensive Team for the HL this upcoming season.
A couple of things: First, chef said earlier that he expected Bobby to play the four which probably fits him better. Second, per this article in the Times, Bryce and the coaches think thAT adding Moussa will help Vashil a bunch. With Kevin being unable to practice much it limited Vashil's ability to practice against another big. This big is a lot bigger than Kevin!
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/alabama-s-moussa-gueye-transfers-to-valparaiso/article_44e56471-50cc-5abf-8fac-202c306b4e34.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/alabama-s-moussa-gueye-transfers-to-valparaiso/article_44e56471-50cc-5abf-8fac-202c306b4e34.html)
Quote from: valpopal on May 16, 2013, 11:35:41 AM
Since Moose was the starting center at Alabama, I am assuming Bryce assured him that he would get the shot at being the starting center here as well. Therefore, the interesting consequence and big question for me would be: How does this help Bobby?
We saw Bobby during spells at the 4 position last year, but most of the time he had to play the 5 as Kevin's back up. Will this free Bobby to be even more conscious of scoring? Will Bobby get more opportunities playing against a 4 rather than a 5? Will Bobby take a few more outside shots (hopefully not too many more 3-point shots)? Will Bobby's individual rebound stat go down, but the team rebounding go up with both him and Moose on the court at the same time?
Also, What does the predicted starting line up look like? If we were to go on experience alone, the line up (after Carter is eligible) would be Carter-Dority-Coleman-Capobianco-Gueye. However, we have some good freshmen who could work their way into the starting five, especially Peters at the 3. In addition, the freshmen have an experienced five to practice against and make them better.
As we have said in the past, the next season has moved from a typical rebuilding year to more of a restocking year. It is going to be an adventure and frustrating at times. There is a lot of scoring and leadership in that wonderful group of seniors to replace. However, we are now guaranteed the upcoming season will be a very entertaining one.
I left out the forgotten man and biggest question mark: Rossi. If he comes back and is 100% healthy, the possibilities for the team are magnified, and he could fight for a starting position. I hope that is the case; however, on the other extreme, his health means he won't come back, and Valpo recruits another transfer player to fill his spot.
Does anyone know more about Rossi's condition? I have seen all the other players working out on campus or playing basketball during open gym in the off season thus far, but I haven't seen Rossi, which makes me wonder.
Quote from: valpopal on May 16, 2013, 11:35:41 AMWhat does the predicted starting line up look like? If we were to go on experience alone, the line up (after Carter is eligible) would be Carter-Dority-Coleman-Capobianco-Gueye.
I think the Great Chef answered that question, in that we WILL go to a big lineup, with:
G-Man at 5
Capo at 4
Peters at 3
Dority at 2
Carter at 1
Then first man in might look like this:
Fernandez at 5
Adekoya at 4
Rossi at 3
Coleman at 2
Williams at 1
which would in turn leave Yeo, Davidson, Chadwick out.
Of course, it wouldn't have to be them, and probably not even them alone, as it's hard to imagine a functional 10-man rotation.
In the "next year" thread it would be fun to speculate about minute distribution, and people can make their own list predicting the shakeout, and see who's 'closest to the pin' at the end of the year :)
(I'm also thinking we should have an "Over-Under" thread, like "LaVonte Dority, 11.0 ppg: over or under?" and have people predict.
I mean, this is the offseason, and now all our slots are full, and for the first time since tex was a redshirt sophomore, nobody is transferring out (CHEERS to that!), so what else is there to do? :D
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 16, 2013, 11:54:01 AMnobody is transferring out (CHEERS to that!),
YET! Like the weather, you just never know.
Quote from: 78crusader on May 16, 2013, 07:52:53 AM
I woke up this morning and saw the posts about Moussa and prayed they were from a couple years ago and not some Freddy Krueger-style resurrection of a bad recruit.
Remember the scene in Moneyball when Billy Beane decides to trade Carlos Pena and his young assistant says "Billy, you know this is the kind of trade that gets you fired." This dialogue could be slightly changed to "Bryce, you know this is the kind of signing that gets you INDICTED."
Seriously, this is a TERRIBLE signing, plain and simple. It is a throwback to the bad old days of a few years ago when Homer decided to mortgage not only his good name, but the good name of VU basketball, and sign every 7 foot bandit recruit he could find. NONE of whom, it should be noted, panned out. It says to me three things: first, Bryce woke up and realize that outside of Capo he has no one to rebound; second, that Vashill or whatever his name is cannot play; and third, this is a desperation move if ever there was one.
I know, people will be quick to jump on the excuse bandwagon and try to come up a litany of reasons why this guy only averaged ONE POINT FOUR points per game. "The coaches didn't play him enough." "He didn't have time to learn the system." "He just needs more playing time." "He will dominate in the lesser-talented Horizon League" (as if the post players in our league consisted of a bunch of 5'11" guys who starred on their high school debate team). Please. The real reason is: he cannot play. The headline will say we signed a 7-foot player. The real story is: another guy who can't catch the basketball and who is on the Welcome Wagon to Turnover City.
Paul
"Bryce, you know this is the kind of signing that gets you INDICTED."
INDICTED? Really?? You outcho damn mind.
This isn't Ditka completely mortgaging a team for Ricky Williams (winning more Super Bowls for another team rather than teams he coached). You seem to be constantly bringing up Moneyball, but forget the whole point of Moneyball. It's right in the title. MONEY. Now if the movie was Scholarshipball, I think you'd have some good comparisons. This signing is worth a 1-year scholarship. If he turns out horrible, than we've just wasted a scholarship. Whatever. Every school in the country has bench warmers that waste a scholarship. Obviously if there was someone who was younger and wanted to sign, we would have signed them. It's not like Bryce went, "Hey, 22ppg big guy, I know you're interested in Valpo, but we're going to sign the guy with the Moose nickname instead." We used a dormant scholarship on a big guy. If he scores 1.2 PPG or, better yet, doesn't even play a single minute, it's still not a big deal.
Your reaction is even more baffling considering it helps address our biggest short term need: big guys. With the departure of KVW, Valpo was down to Capo (6-10) Vashil (6-10) and Chadwick (6-9). Are you comfortable with a rotation of your bigs between those guys? I'm not. Vashil has a LONG way to go before we depend on him. This signing gives us a player that's probably better than Vashil. If anything we just gained a bit of depth down low.
I'm not going to sugar coat this and pretend he's going to be more productive than KVW... but does it really matter? Coming off a large senior class graduating year, we're in much better shape than we were 4 or 5 years ago. We don't have to play an undersized forward at the 5 (Cory Johnson) because we don't have any other big guys who can catch a basketball. We added a guy who might get 10 min per game. I fail to see this huge drawback, and I certainly don't see how Bryce Drew will get INDICTED for it.
Quote from: historyman on May 16, 2013, 11:58:11 AM
YET!
Like the weather, you just never know.
True, but it would be a really bad idea now, wouldn't it? Most of the dance cards have been filled up.
Jay Harris announced April 24th of last year, and Oren felt that his announcement took "this long" required an explanation.
http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/harris-leaves-valparaiso/article_6b258e32-8e3d-11e1-9342-001a4bcf887a.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/harris-leaves-valparaiso/article_6b258e32-8e3d-11e1-9342-001a4bcf887a.html)
It's three weeks after that...if people are leaving now, they're leaving D1 and maybe even D2, or basketball itself...
Wow. Not on the board for 16-18 hours and POW, some news really stirs things up for some on this board. I really like the addition. When it comes to recruiting, I'm leaning towards the two time defending HL champion coach and his staff. While recruiting is not a guarantee, this signing of Gueye has much more upside than downside. '78 may not be able to see the upside, but most on this board do see the potential of a 7 foot player that started on a 23 win SEC team. His rebounding and defense will help the scorers on this team. We need a selfless player, and he has the stats to show his potential.
I know that '78 only wants Valpo to recruit HS kids that play four years. The reality is where would the Valpo program be without transfers and JUCOs. We need to let Bryce and his staff do the evaluations of recruits - I think they've earned our respect.
Quote from: vu72 on May 16, 2013, 11:44:13 AM
A couple of things: First, chef said earlier that he expected Bobby to play the four which probably fits him better. Second, per this article in the Times, Bryce and the coaches think thAT adding Moussa will help Vashil a bunch. With Kevin being unable to practice much it limited Vashil's ability to practice against another big. This big is a lot bigger than Kevin!
http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/alabama-s-moussa-gueye-transfers-to-valparaiso/article_44e56471-50cc-5abf-8fac-202c306b4e34.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/sports/college/valparaiso-university/alabama-s-moussa-gueye-transfers-to-valparaiso/article_44e56471-50cc-5abf-8fac-202c306b4e34.html)
Another Oren article comparing Kone and Gueye:
http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/moussa-gueye-and-mohamed-kone/article_ceb13240-bdd9-11e2-99a0-0019bb2963f4.html (http://www.nwitimes.com/blogs/sports/valparaiso-university/moussa-gueye-and-mohamed-kone/article_ceb13240-bdd9-11e2-99a0-0019bb2963f4.html)
If I recall correctly, I believe that Gueye was a guy that Homer looked at first, but setup a deal with Lakeland College for Gueye to go hone up some of his skills to be a successful D-I big, but in the time of his development, KVW became healthier, and we picked up a couple other bigs that left Gueye out to dry. Now that we don't have KVW and we have a handful of weaker/unknown bigs, Gueye comes in with one year left to be hopeful be that guy that Homer envisioned him being. Let's hope that Bryce and this crew benefit amazingly from Homer's vision for this player down the road. Taking Gueye from project to awesome big man by making him work his way up the system, like a minor league baseball player developing a better hitter's mentality, or consistency in control of his pitches, is a smart move that will do a lot for the growth of the young roster of the upcoming years of HL play and NCAA appearances.
OK, now I'm getting really excited about Gueye's addition to our team.
Read this report about Alabama's win over Kentucky this last season. In that game Gueye went head to head with a guy named Noel, who is projected to be the first pick in the upcoming NBA draft. Moussa gave up 8 points and recorded 5 blocks against a team full of McDonald All Americans. Not too bad...
http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/012213aaa.html (http://www.rolltide.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/012213aaa.html)
Quote from: valporun on May 17, 2013, 12:10:00 PM
If I recall correctly, I believe that Gueye was a guy that Homer looked at first, but setup a deal with Lakeland College for Gueye to go hone up some of his skills to be a successful D-I big, but in the time of his development, KVW became healthier, and we picked up a couple other bigs that left Gueye out to dry.
That's inaccurate. Moussa verbaled to Valparaiso in July, 2009 and then decommitted in March, 2010. Van Wijk didn't sign with the Crusaders until July, 2010. Gueye had already selected Alabama when Valparaiso signed Richie Edwards. Valparaiso never left Gueye out to dry, it was Lake Land coach Cedric Brown that left Valparaiso out to dry. The Valparaiso coaching staff badly wanted Gueye even after he decommitted.
Quote from: Pgmado on May 20, 2013, 11:18:52 AM
Quote from: valporun on May 17, 2013, 12:10:00 PM
If I recall correctly, I believe that Gueye was a guy that Homer looked at first, but setup a deal with Lakeland College for Gueye to go hone up some of his skills to be a successful D-I big, but in the time of his development, KVW became healthier, and we picked up a couple other bigs that left Gueye out to dry.
That's inaccurate. Moussa verbaled to Valparaiso in July, 2009 and then decommitted in March, 2010. Van Wijk didn't sign with the Crusaders until July, 2010. Gueye had already selected Alabama when Valparaiso signed Richie Edwards. Valparaiso never left Gueye out to dry, it was Lake Land coach Cedric Brown that left Valparaiso out to dry. The Valparaiso coaching staff badly wanted Gueye even after he decommitted.
That's correct. We have discussed this once before. When Gueye decommitted that opened up a position at center for Kevin, and we have been thankful ever since. Now it would be nice symmetry if Gueye returns to fill Kevin's spot, and he flourishes in the role.
Maybe the whole system should be shifted around a two year commitment. If a player commits for 2 years they don't feel trapped at one school for their whole college career. Maybe all student athletes should be forced to choose at the end of their 2nd year at which school they will finish their college careers. That way the student athletes don't have to lose playing time just because they want to switch and everybody involved makes a firm commitment. It couldn't be any worse than what we have now and going into the future. It also fits into the junior college system and saves scholarship money that could be best used in other areas.
Quote from: Pgmado on May 20, 2013, 11:18:52 AM
Quote from: valporun on May 17, 2013, 12:10:00 PM
If I recall correctly, I believe that Gueye was a guy that Homer looked at first, but setup a deal with Lakeland College for Gueye to go hone up some of his skills to be a successful D-I big, but in the time of his development, KVW became healthier, and we picked up a couple other bigs that left Gueye out to dry.
That's inaccurate. Moussa verbaled to Valparaiso in July, 2009 and then decommitted in March, 2010. Van Wijk didn't sign with the Crusaders until July, 2010. Gueye had already selected Alabama when Valparaiso signed Richie Edwards. Valparaiso never left Gueye out to dry, it was Lake Land coach Cedric Brown that left Valparaiso out to dry. The Valparaiso coaching staff badly wanted Gueye even after he decommitted.
Yeah, Brown was the "trusted friend" that Homer sent Gueye to for "safekeeping." Instead, the word on the street was that Brown started to shop Gueye around to bigger programs, hopeful for some sort of quid pro quo (coaching job or whatever). Who knows, but nothing is beyond the realm of possibility in the sleazy world of college basketball recruiting.
Another Valpo mention in the world of recruiting. This young man, Johnny Hill, is a 6-3 180# guard who is leaving Illinois State, and he mentions in an article on chicagohoops.com that Valpo among others has shown interest. He just completed his sophomore year, averaging about 8ppg, 4rpg, and 3apg in the MVC conference. He played his high school ball at Glenbard East High School. which is in the metro Chicago area. Below are article links from chicagohoops.com, as well as collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com, and Illinois State's goredbirds.com which talk about Johnny Hill career and his decision to transfer. The nbcsports and ISU goredbirds links don't mention Valpo or any other schools, but do provide some stats and background info on Johnny Hill. Guess if he opted for Valpo he would sit out next season, and then have 2 years eligibility beginning with the 2014-15 season.
http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php/2011-08-04-18-06-26/1366-johnny-hill-talks-transfer (http://chicagohoops.hoops247.com/index.php/2011-08-04-18-06-26/1366-johnny-hill-talks-transfer)
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/10/illinois-state-sophomore-guard-johnny-hill-to-transfer/ (http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/05/10/illinois-state-sophomore-guard-johnny-hill-to-transfer/)
http://www.goredbirds.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/johnny_hill_758016.html (http://www.goredbirds.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/johnny_hill_758016.html)
I don't think there is a scholarship available for him this year is there?
It looks like he is targeting 'high major' schools. Not sure how that will go for him in only averaging 7.7 ppg for an average Illinois State team. It isn't like he is Brandon Wood scoring all over the place, and moving on to Michigan State...
He is ambitious, but may not be realistic. His average of 7.7 ppg and late transfer will only allow something to similar or smaller schools. The MAC might be a fit.
Quote from: valpotx on May 21, 2013, 10:08:23 AMIt isn't like he is Brandon Wood scoring all over the place, and moving on to Michigan State...
nor is his name Curry and going to Duke.
Quote from: HC on May 21, 2013, 10:07:00 AMI don't think there is a scholarship available for him this year is there?
There is if/when Alex Rossi gets Kurthed. :/
Quote from: valpotx on May 21, 2013, 10:08:23 AMIt looks like he is targeting 'high major' schools.
I quote from the first link on 75's post above:
Quoteacademically I know a lot of schools won't have my major
...which, ok, that's intriguing...what is it?
http://www.goredbirds.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/johnny_hill_758016.html (http://www.goredbirds.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/johnny_hill_758016.html)
QuoteMajor: apparel, merchandising and design •
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NOTE: CO beat me to it, but this venerable thread has just broken the 50K views and now the 1K posts mark. Something that may never happen again. We owe this all to you, 89!
EDIT: also, this guy started 26 of 33 games for a pretty decent MVC school last year as a sophomore. These guys don't normally leave school. Problem is, three of his teammates have already bailed, which may have contributed to that...
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 21, 2013, 01:31:04 PM
...which, ok, that's intriguing...what is it?
http://www.goredbirds.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/johnny_hill_758016.html (http://www.goredbirds.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/johnny_hill_758016.html)
Now, the first time I read this post, I wondered why any fans would have a site for gored animals (something out of Exodus 21?). Turns out the meaning is very different if one reads it GoRedBirds rather than GoredBirds...
Quote from: valpopal on May 20, 2013, 12:15:47 PMThat's correct. We have discussed this once before. When Gueye decommitted that opened up a position at center for Kevin, and we have been thankful ever since. Now it would be nice symmetry if Gueye returns to fill Kevin's spot, and he flourishes in the role.
I think Gueye can and will flourish in the role. He appears to be a good role player, and does not want to step out to hit the three. I don't recall his APG, but it would be fun to watch the ball go through him, and him finding the open man for an easy bucket three or four times a game.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 21, 2013, 01:31:04 PMNOTE: CO beat me to it, but this venerable thread has just broken the 50K views and now the 1K posts mark. Something that may never happen again. We owe this all to you, 89!
Check out this one on the SLU board. 3,444 posts since March, 2013 as I write this and soon to increase in the next few minutes. Same subject even but much less intelligent. 8)
http://www.billikens.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=23881 (http://www.billikens.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=23881)
Quote from: bbtds on May 21, 2013, 04:47:47 PMSame subject even but much less intelligent.
Still, you have to credit them for being that attentive to Valpo's recruiting.
Quote from: covufan on May 21, 2013, 03:56:02 PMI don't recall his APG, but it would be fun to watch the ball go through him, and him finding the open man for an easy bucket three or four times a game.
That'd be nice. It won't happen.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/alabama/moussa-gueye?plusminus=1&tslug=alabama&per_game=1&tempo_neutral=1&game_type=1&totals=1&pslug=moussa-gueye&per_40=1&chart1=assists&chart2=assists_avg&chart3=assist_pct (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/alabama/moussa-gueye?plusminus=1&tslug=alabama&per_game=1&tempo_neutral=1&game_type=1&totals=1&pslug=moussa-gueye&per_40=1&chart1=assists&chart2=assists_avg&chart3=assist_pct)
Not his game.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 21, 2013, 05:57:05 PMQuote from: covufan on Today at 03:56:02 PM
I don't recall his APG, but it would be fun to watch the ball go through him, and him finding the open man for an easy bucket three or four times a game.
That'd be nice. It won't happen.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/alabama/moussa-gueye?plusminus=1&tslug=alabama&per_game=1&tempo_neutral=1&game_type=1&totals=1&pslug=moussa-gueye&per_40=1&chart1=assists&chart2=assists_avg&chart3=assist_pct (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/alabama/moussa-gueye?plusminus=1&tslug=alabama&per_game=1&tempo_neutral=1&game_type=1&totals=1&pslug=moussa-gueye&per_40=1&chart1=assists&chart2=assists_avg&chart3=assist_pct)
Not his game.
Maybe with a little coaching...
Quote from: covufan on May 21, 2013, 06:51:14 PMMaybe with a little coaching...
All things are possible with Bryce, but seeing as a) no coach wants his offensively-limited 7-footer to become a black hole and b) his numbers actually ot worse his second year, I wouldn't plan on him becoming Greg Monroe by November :)
Quote from: valpo95 on May 21, 2013, 02:58:58 PM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 21, 2013, 01:31:04 PM
...which, ok, that's intriguing...what is it?
http://www.goredbirds.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/johnny_hill_758016.html (http://www.goredbirds.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/johnny_hill_758016.html)
Now, the first time I read this post, I wondered why any fans would have a site for gored animals (something out of Exodus 21?). Turns out the meaning is very different if one reads it GoRedBirds rather than GoredBirds...
Glad I wasn't the only one ;)
Guess I was probably the only one who read "Gore D-Birds".
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 21, 2013, 08:03:08 PM
Guess I was probably the only one who read "Gore D-Birds".
Yep, I was thinking Vice Presidential roller derby too. ;D
I was just thinking (a dangerous passtime for me) about Moussa and some comments about his lack of scoring and what impact he might have on our team. The thinking part had to do with looking at the compitition he played and how that might relate or be much different playing in the Horizon. We've seen Bobby (who didn't do anything at Indiana) and Cory (who didn't do anything at Iowa State), as examples, come into Valpo and do much better.
Now, we all loved Kevin, but how did Kevin do against BCS competition? The answer is not good. In his last game playing for Valpo he played 21 minutes, had 2 points, 7 boards and 0 blocks. In 10 games played against this level (I included games last year against SLU and New Mexico) he averaged 22 minutes 8 points, 5 boards and 0 blocks. Against Ohio State he played 23 minutes, had 0 points, 2 boards and 1 block!!
Now look at Moussa, who averaged 3.6 boards and 1.9 blocks against SEC teams this last season. As I pointed out in an earlier post, he had 4 points, 5 boards and 5 blocks against Kentucky and Nerlens Noel. More to the point, Alabama played Oakland earlier last year. Moussa played 20 minutes, had 4 points, 9 boards and 2 blocks.
My guess is that he will perform, on average, along the lines of his Oakland game. If he can average 4 points, 7-8 boards and 2 blocks per game while not turning the ball over too much, we all will be happy.
Quote from: vu72 on May 22, 2013, 09:47:00 AMMy guess is that he will perform, on average, along the lines of his Oakland game. If he can average 4 points, 7-8 boards and 2 blocks per game while not turning the ball over too much, we all will be happy.
Good thinking, good analysis, and yeah--I'll say 6, 9, and 2.5! :)
Another name to throw into the transfer pot--Iowa's Patrick Ingram (would be a RS sophomore after sitting out this coming year).
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2013305160059 (http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2013305160059)
Saving you the click:
QuoteFormer North Central guard and 2012 IndyStar Indiana All-Star Patrick Ingram is starting the recruiting process over again as Iowa announced this week that he planned to transfer from the school.
The 6-2 Ingram averaged 0.9 points and 0.6 rebounds as a freshman. He said his transfer was driven more by family issues than basketball.
"There were a lot of things I was dealing with at home at about the midpoint of the season and that came into my decision to play closer to home," he said. "It wasn't really a basketball decision, it was just multiple things at home. Although I didn't get to play a lot, I felt like I could play against these people. I felt like I got better and my coaches told me I got better. I feel like I can bring a lot of grittiness to a team and bring what I learned here to another school."
Ingram said Purdue and Loyola (Ill.) were schools he had interest in. Ball State, Wright State, Evansville, Valparaiso, IPFW, Loyola, Eastern Kentucky, Indiana State and IUPUI are among schools that have expressed interest.
Notice the non-reciprocated interest. Not sure why Loyola's on there twice, unless it's because Purdue is not requiting the love. Probably that.
I'll save you your typing:
78crusader: He sounds terrible. Couldn't even score a point a game for the NIT runner-up. Why would we want a loser like that?
Paul.
classof2014: i bet he's a high-flying all-star. He could dominate the HL and give us a fleet stable of guards.
a3uge: Look, dude, nobody we get is going to make you happy. We get that. Try to bear with us.
HC: Wait, since when do we have a scholarship to give? I would like to get in on that if it's up for grabs.
LaPorteAveApostle: [bunch of stats and facts and pictures and semiwitty tropes that took too long to write and so no one reads]
SadersOfTheLostArc: My friends in this administration have told me that Richard Nixon will be the next coach. It's quite a get, especially considering he's dead. Like, really, really dead. Hey, anyone miss me yet?
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 28, 2013, 09:34:36 PMLaPorteAveApostle: [bunch of stats and facts and pictures and semiwitty tropes that took too long to write and so no one reads]
One out of five----yikes, a bit low. ::)
What did you just write? ;D
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 28, 2013, 09:34:36 PMa3uge: Look, dude, nobody we get is going to make you happy. We get that. Try to bear with us.
Pshh, totally unrealistic. I'm not
that well at grammar.
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 28, 2013, 09:34:36 PMclassof2014: i bet he's a high-flying all-star. He could dominate the HL and give us a fleet stable of guards.
Could be the answer to all our problems.
But... let us not forget Rossi is still on scholarship, as far as we know. So all of the scholarship spots are taken for the 2013-14 season right now.
Rossi's scholarship will be available. I've heard from a good source that his health will not allow him to play again.
That's sad to hear for Rossi. In such a situation, is he able to keep the scholarship to finish school, or would he have to get other aid (if needed)?
What football has is a "medical scholarship", which allows the person to keep a scholarship while not being on the team and thus not having their scholarship count against team totals. Nick Saban uses it so often that some bloggers derisively call it "St. Saban's Memorial Hospital" for the higher number of injuries that occur there. (Also LSU.)
I'm not certain if basketball has the same thing...but perhaps that's what they did to Cam Witt? I don't remember as I wasn't around these here parts then?
Quote from: a3uge on May 29, 2013, 10:32:26 AM
Quote from: LaPorteAveApostle on May 28, 2013, 09:34:36 PMa3uge: Look, dude, nobody we get is going to make you happy. We get that. Try to bear with us.
Pshh, totally unrealistic. I'm not that well at grammar.
Very good played ;)
Looks like Valpo is one of 14 schools recruiting Kyle Guy. He has been on a visit there already.
QuoteIn addition to Butler, Guy has also visited in-state schools Indiana, Purdue, and Valparaiso. Notre Dame, Xavier, Indiana State, Colorado, Elon, Standford, Iowa, Dayton, Michigan, and Ohio State have also contacted him. He says the primary factors in choosing a school will be the education, the coaches, and the fan base.
butlerhoops.com/blog/recruiting-spotlight-kyle-guy
Quote from: ARCInsider on May 29, 2013, 08:03:50 PM
Rossi's scholarship will be available. I've heard from a good source that his health will not allow him to play again.
If this is true, then a transfer should be added in the next few weeks since he would likely attend the second semester of summer school with other new players, and that semester begins July 1.
Is that typical, that all the players take Summer II, or is it just the incomers?
who is Kyle Guy?
Kyle Guy (Class of 2016) 6'0" SG (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxVkCZwCP90#)
Thanks, wh...I must have missed some earlier posts because the name didn't ring a bell with me...school, etc
I noticed Moussa Gueye and 2 other guys going into Galactic Greg's this morning. Unbelievable how big he is - VERY muscular and developed in a tank top and shorts. Every bit of 7 foot and 255, as advertised. I can't imagine anyone in the HL matching up with him physically. I'm ready for some VU basketball!
Quote from: wh on June 29, 2013, 02:04:11 PMGalactic Greg's
...the comic book place???!?
...then again, if you already look like a superhero yourself...
Now that the last scholar Ship has sailed off to eVictory (in the Nick of time, son), you might be interested to know that one Brian Green Jr decided to come down here to SWFL and suit up for Dunk City:
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2013/jul/19/mens-basketball-fgcu-lands-auburn-transfer-brian/ (http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2013/jul/19/mens-basketball-fgcu-lands-auburn-transfer-brian/)
Hey, it worked kind of for Betsy Adams.
Still not planning on going to see them.
Jared Drew, the other star who was recruited to St. Louis in 2012 along with Keith Carter by Rick Majerus (who saw them as a dynamic pair), and who redshirted a year, but was released from his scholarship in mid-May by new coach Crews, has surprisingly decided to move to junior college at Lake Land Community College despite some reported offers by D1 schools, though he'd probably have to sit out a year at those places anyway.
He made his announcement the day after Nickerson filled this year's last scholarship at Valpo. Lake Land CC is the same place Moussa Gueye had attended. I wonder if the pieces could all fit together to allow a possibility Jared Drew would be brought in by Bryce Drew next year to finally play with Carter as Majerus had once hoped would occur.
Quote from: valpopal on July 20, 2013, 09:25:30 PM
Jared Drew, the other star who was recruited to St. Louis in 2012 along with Keith Carter by Rick Majerus (who saw them as a dynamic pair), and who redshirted a year, but was released from his scholarship in mid-May by new coach Crews, has surprisingly decided to move to junior college at Lake Land Community College despite some reported offers by D1 schools, though he'd probably have to sit out a year at those places anyway.
He made his announcement the day after Nickerson filled this year's last scholarship at Valpo. Lake Land CC is the same place Moussa Gueye had attended. I wonder if the pieces could all fit together to allow a possibility Jared Drew would be brought in by Bryce Drew next year to finally play with Carter as Majerus had once hoped would occur.
I think you're right. This way he gets to play next year, then transfer to a D-1, and still have 3 years of eligibility (assuming he qualifies as a junior academically after a year at Lake Land). Think Brandon Wood...
I saw Luke Gore giving a recruit a tour of campus today. This kid was close to 7 foot if not taller. No clue who he is. He kinda looks like an Alec Brown type, tall and really thin.
I'm guessing he's from the Midwest since his parents were on the tour as well.
Anybody know who it is? cause people have been saying we need another big and tall guy.
Quote from: classof2014 on October 21, 2013, 05:34:40 PM
I saw Luke Gore giving a recruit a tour of campus today. This kid was close to 7 foot if not taller. No clue who he is. He kinda looks like an Alec Brown type, tall and really thin.
I'm guessing he's from the Midwest since his parents were on the tour as well.
Anybody know who it is? cause people have been saying we need another big and tall guy.
Seth Adelsperger, a 6'11" center from Peru, IN, class of 2015. Valpo offered him a scholarship today.
Quote from: valpopal on October 21, 2013, 10:53:45 PMSeth Adelsperger, a 6'11" center from Peru, IN, class of 2015. Valpo offered him a scholarship today.
Cole Porter - You're The Top (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6oGytt0Hiw#)
Does anybody know what Cole Porter and Seth have in common?
Quote from: historyman on October 22, 2013, 02:06:07 AMDoes anybody know what Cole Porter and Seth have in common?
It shouldn't take an MA in musicology.
Hopefully this doesn't mean Seth is going to Yale too!
(side note: perfect song choice for him!)
LAA is right, it shouldn't take an MA in musicology for this one, but this recruit and Cole Porter hail from the same town.
From the website: http://www.coleporter.org/bio.html (http://www.coleporter.org/bio.html)
Cole Porter Biography written by JX Bell
Cole Porter's name derives from the surnames of his parents, Kate Cole and Sam Porter. Kate's father, James Omar (known as J. O.), was an influential man both in the community and in Cole's early life. J.O. started from humble beginnings as son of a shoemaker, but his business savvy and strong work ethic made him the richest man in Indiana. Despite J.O.'s obsessive drive for making money, he took time off to marry Rachel Henton, who had several children with him.
Kate Cole was born in 1862, and was spoiled during her youth as she was throughout her life. Kate always had the best clothes, the best education, and the best training in dancing and music. Kate's father expected to marry her off to a man with a strong business background, a strong personality, and the potential for a good career. As it is for many filial presumptions and expectations, Kate married someone who was quite the opposite -- a shy druggist from their small town of Peru, Indiana.
The couple married without the full consent of J.O., but he financially supported their wedding and subsidized the couple. As one of the richest men in Indiana, he thought his daughter should be seen doing and wearing the right things without financial fears. These subsidies from J.O. financed the rest of Sam and Kate's life, as well as that of their son born on June 9th, 1891: Cole Porter.
Quote from: valporun on October 22, 2013, 10:38:18 AMa shy druggist from their small town of Peru, Indiana
better a shy druggist than a shy druggie, i always say